No public enquiry in Pat Finucane Murder

FrancieBrady · 01-12-2020 12:48pm

The_Fitz wrote: »

Completely unsurprising result.

Resistance from the British state on this case does not bode well for the future of legacy issues. This current British government is all about the protection of themselves, what message does that send out to victims? The British state considers people in the north to be their citizens. Facilitating and carrying out the murder of one of these citizens via a British state agent, to me means that a public inquiry needs to be held, and not simply delayed. The British government distinguish themselves from other actors of the conflict.

We need to find a way of dealing with the past in order to progress. Letting bygones be bygones does not work. All victims deserve to hear the truth.

Exactly. And like Bloody Sunday and the Birminghan 6 Guilford 4 etc etc the British are going to have to be dragged kicking and screaming to the truth of it.

By ordinary people by the looks of it too.
Michael Martin is only 'disappointed' by this decision, so no help from that quarter by the looks of it.
Our foreign minister said before the decision that the outcome would show 'if Britain was interested in reconciliation'...he has his answer, what is he going to do about it, is the next question.

The_Fitz · 01-12-2020 12:54pm

Samsonsmasher wrote: »

That's utterly naive

How is it naive?

downcow · 01-12-2020 2:07pm

The_Fitz wrote: »

Completely unsurprising result.

Resistance from the British state on this case does not bode well for the future of legacy issues. This current British government is all about the protection of themselves, what message does that send out to victims? The British state considers people in the north to be their citizens. Facilitating and carrying out the murder of one of these citizens via a British state agent, to me means that a public inquiry needs to be held, and not simply delayed. The British government distinguish themselves from other actors of the conflict.

We need to find a way of dealing with the past in order to progress. Letting bygones be bygones does not work. All victims deserve to hear the truth.

So are you expecting 3,700 inquiries like Bloody Sunday That’s many many billions and maybe even trillions.
Or do you think just a few should have inquiries?

downcow · 01-12-2020 2:10pm

Fr Denis faul has just said on radio Ulster that all sides secretly don’t want the truth. The pain of retelling and exposing the 1,000s of informants still living in both communities

downcow · 01-12-2020 2:13pm

It is very difficult to raise the Finucane family above all others for an enquiring when john finucane point blank refused again yesterday to condemn the killing of another solicitor in Belfast Edwin Graham

FrancieBrady · 01-12-2020 2:26pm

downcow wrote: »

Fr Denis faul has just said on radio Ulster that all sides secretly don’t want the truth. The pain of retelling and exposing the 1,000s of informants still living in both communities

That's a neat trick...he has been dead since 2006

McMurphy · 01-12-2020 2:41pm

downcow wrote: »

It is very difficult to raise the Finucane family above all others for an enquiring when john finucane point blank refused again yesterday to condemn the killing of another solicitor in Belfast Edwin Graham

Have you a source for this?

Here's the latest I could find on him commenting on Edgar Graham.

He was challenged over the issue on Good Morning Ulster yesterday, as his family waits to hear if they will get a public inquiry into the murder of his father, the lawyer Pat Finucane.

A presenter told Mr Finucane that people like Anne Graham, the sister of solicitor Edgar Graham, say that she just wants Sinn Fein to condemn her brother’s murder. “Are you prepared to condemn his killing?” he asked.

Mr Finucane replied: “We are straying into the different hats that I wear, but the hurt that anybody else has went through – I mean I have went through this – I am not going to play games with that.

“I think that there is a danger that people have tried to target me with selective condemnation and I don’t think that is particularly helpful in the context of legacy.”

The presenter responded that for some people, condemnation would make a difference and that even though he too had been through the pain of his father’s murder “you still struggle to say it was wrong ... and doesn’t that say something in itself?”.

Mr Finucane replied: “No, I don’t have any difficulty, I mean any death was wrong. Any death in the context in which it happened here was wrong. I think that people realise that there was a conflict here. There are very different narratives as to what happened in that conflict.” He added: “I don’t elevate the pain which my family has went through above any other family.”

I'll shorten that for you so the most pertinent information is laid out.

The presenter wrote:

responded that for some people, condemnation would make a difference and that even though he too had been through the pain of his father’s murder “you still struggle to say it was wrong .

John Finnucane wrote:

No, I don’t have any difficulty, I mean any death was wrong. Any death in the context in which it happened here was wrong

The_Fitz · 01-12-2020 4:39pm

downcow wrote: »

So are you expecting 3,700 inquiries like Bloody Sunday That’s many many billions and maybe even trillions.
Or do you think just a few should have inquiries?

Everybody is entitled to the full truth. Public inquiries are not there for every type of murder, unfortunately.

downcow · 01-12-2020 6:58pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

That's a neat trick...he has been dead since 2006

Hahaha. I stand corrected. Who was the guy done the victim stuff with Eams. Was it Denis Bradley?

downcow · 01-12-2020 7:01pm

McMurphy wrote: »

Have you a source for this?

Here's the latest I could find on him commenting on Edgar Graham.

I'll shorten that for you so the most pertinent information is laid out.

That’s it. He refused to condemn it. A blind man with a stick could see that.
He was asked to say 'i condemn the murder of Edwin Graham’ and he ducked it. Disgraceful for someone seeking an enquiry into the murder of another solicitor

downcow · 01-12-2020 7:02pm

The_Fitz wrote: »

Everybody is entitled to the full truth. Public inquiries are not there for every type of murder, unfortunately.

So what type of murder are public enquiries for?

The_Fitz · 01-12-2020 7:10pm

downcow wrote: »

So what type of murder are public enquiries for?

Going by what an MP said this morning they are to be held when the British government is being held to a higher standard than others. Therefore, when the British state executes one of their own citizens, they need to be held accountable.

I believe that it was agreed in the Weston Park agreement that a public inquiry would be held into the state execution of Pat Finucane.

FrancieBrady · 01-12-2020 7:24pm

downcow wrote: »

So what type of murder are public enquiries for?

When the state or one of it's agencies is alleged to be involved. The courts are the place where other murders are inquired into.

downcow · 01-12-2020 7:35pm

The_Fitz wrote: »

Going by what an MP said this morning they are to be held when the British government is being held to a higher standard than others. Therefore, when the British state executes one of their own citizens, they need to be held accountable.

I believe that it was agreed in the Weston Park agreement that a public inquiry would be held into the state execution of Pat Finucane.

Do you think that is appropriate ?

downcow · 01-12-2020 7:38pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

When the state or one of it's agencies is alleged to be involved. The courts are the place where other murders are inquired into.

So would that include every murder that the fisherman was involved in or any other republican or loyalist paramilitary that was a british agent?
Does it include any murder the Irish guardi were involved in?

FrancieBrady · 01-12-2020 7:43pm

downcow wrote: »

So would that include every murder that the fisherman was involved in or any other republican or loyalist paramilitary that was a british agent?
Does it include any murder the Irish guardi were involved in?

Who is the fisherman?

We have already had (as part of the Weston Agreement too I believe) an inquiry into Garda collusion...The Smithwick Tribunal.

Any other murders are inquired into by the courts. If the 'court' messes up in that, a public inquiry would be required.

In fairness to Michael Martin he has today criticised the British in their failure to meet their commitments.

The_Fitz · 01-12-2020 9:10pm

downcow wrote: »

Do you think that is appropriate ?

Yes, I believe it was appropriate for the British to agree to hold a public inquiry into this murder.

Sinbad_NI · 01-12-2020 9:23pm

Would liked to have seen the enquiry going ahead. If some high ranking military generals or politicians or whoever are guilty then they deserve to pay for it... anyone who pulls the strings behind the scenes is just as guilty as the foot soldiers in my view.

That’s not even considering the fact they signed up to do it.

They’re all big boys, actions have consequences.

Timberrrrrrrr · 01-12-2020 9:31pm

McMurphy wrote: »

Sorry, I asked you to clarify what "sword" Pat Finnucane lived by?

I repeat, he was murdered for no other reason than he worked as a lawyer and defended republicans in court, and he was murdered for that (as was Rosemary Nelson afterwards)

You posted an absolutely ridiculous/disgraceful comment where you suggested Finnucane deserved to die because he worked as a lawyer and represented some republicans, I don't know about you, but I'd not be comfortable living in a state where you can't get legal defence because of your political beliefs, or actions, and similarly you might pay with your life as a lawyer for offering the same.

Listen, you made a stupid post and I called you out on it, the follow up looks even more stupid in that context.

Might be as well just not posting about stuff you know the square root of fcuk all about tbh.

This innocent man just tried to run a business

https://www.upi.com/Archives/1985/08/21/IRA-claims-responsibility-for-contractors-murder/2625493444800/

The Irish Republican Army said Wednesday it was responsible for the murder of a wealthy building contractor who it accused of building barracks and police posts for British security forces.

These innocent men were working to feed their families

https://apnews.com/article/f2de876145c0ea1144a800da4e623d2b

The IRA said its guerrillas gunned down two Protestant civilians doing maintenance work at a heavily fortified British barracks and declared it will kill others doing similar work.

Police said four gunmen ambushed Willie Hassard, 60, and Fred Love, 64, as they drove home in their van Thursday from the County Fermanagh village of Belleek in the west of the province.

″It was a picture of butchery,″ said Eugene Deeny, a doctor who was one of the first people on the scene. ″They had multiple bullet wounds to their heads and chests.″

This 6 month old baby never even got to have a life

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/baby-killed-by-ira-remembered-30-years-on-38631631.html

Nivruti Islania was just six months old when she was shot in the head by the IRA while in her father's car in West Germany in 1989.

She died instantly alongside her father, 34-year-old RAF communications operative Corporal Maheshkumar 'Mick' Islania in the October 26 attack.

Or how about a chef who was kidnapped and forced to drive a bomb to a checkpoint and was blown up by the IRA?

https://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2020/10/24/news/-barbaric-and-cowardly-coshquin-human-bombing-remembered-30-years-on-2108550/

Mr Gillespie had been employed as a civilian chef at Fort George British army barracks and it was the second time he had been forced to drive an IRA bomb.

The Coshquin bomb caused so much devastation that the Derry man could only be identified by a piece of flesh attached to a zip of the cardigan he had been wearing.

I'm not saying Pat Finnucane deserved to die just because of the work he did, his murder was a terrible thing, but to see the usual.IRA supporters in here wringing their hands over his death when their own heroes killed innocent people just because of the work they did is hypocrisy to say the least.

walshb · 01-12-2020 9:37pm

There have been killings of many from both sides where both sides can argue that the killings were justified or not justified, depending on the side.

IRA killed many people who you could argue should never have been targeted.

Same for loyalist killers..

I always felt that the IRA set out to target those that they believed to be directly involved in our oppression, or indirectly involved..

I always felt loyalists killed indiscriminately. There was a hate for Irish in their killings..

Anyway, thanks be to Jaysus this physical war is over

FrancieBrady · 01-12-2020 10:06pm

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

This innocent man just tried to run a business

https://www.upi.com/Archives/1985/08/21/IRA-claims-responsibility-for-contractors-murder/2625493444800/

These innocent men were working to feed their families

https://apnews.com/article/f2de876145c0ea1144a800da4e623d2b

This 6 month old baby never even got to have a life

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/baby-killed-by-ira-remembered-30-years-on-38631631.html

Or how about a chef who was kidnapped and forced to drive a bomb to a checkpoint and was blown up by the IRA?

https://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2020/10/24/news/-barbaric-and-cowardly-coshquin-human-bombing-remembered-30-years-on-2108550/

I'm not saying Pat Finnucane deserved to die just because of the work he did, his murder was a terrible thing, but to see the usual.IRA supporters in here wringing their hands over his death when their own heroes killed innocent people just because of the work they did is hypocrisy to say the least.

I'm wringing my hands because the State is accused of being involved in murder.

What loyalists or republicans did or didn't do has nothing to do with it.

Timberrrrrrrr · 01-12-2020 10:07pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I'm wringing my hands because the State is accused of being involved in murder.

What loyalists or republicans did or didn't do has nothing to do with it.

Of course it doesn't:rolleyes:

downcow · 01-12-2020 10:13pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Who is the fisherman?

We have already had (as part of the Weston Agreement too I believe) an inquiry into Garda collusion...The Smithwick Tribunal.

Any other murders are inquired into by the courts. If the 'court' messes up in that, a public inquiry would be required.

In fairness to Michael Martin he has today criticised the British in their failure to meet their commitments.

Francie, yes or no would have been more helpful. I have no idea what you think from that post

FrancieBrady · 01-12-2020 10:15pm

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Of course it doesn't:rolleyes:

You are willing to turn a blind eye to the State being involved in murder...that's fine, work away.
Don't be looking down your nose at those who think it is an important principle.

Too many years of turning a blind eye to the vagaries of imperialism and colonisation I suspect.

FrancieBrady · 01-12-2020 10:19pm

downcow wrote: »

Francie, yes or no would have been more helpful. I have no idea what you think from that post

I have wracked my brain to try and think of a public inquiry into a murder where the state or some state agency was NOT involved or where the state didn't mess up in the aftermath. I cannot think of one.

They don't happen downcow. It would be the same thing as a murder inquiry.

Public Inquiries look at state failings were independent oversight is required.

downcow · 01-12-2020 10:19pm

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

This innocent man just tried to run a business

https://www.upi.com/Archives/1985/08/21/IRA-claims-responsibility-for-contractors-murder/2625493444800/

These innocent men were working to feed their families

https://apnews.com/article/f2de876145c0ea1144a800da4e623d2b

This 6 month old baby never even got to have a life

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/baby-killed-by-ira-remembered-30-years-on-38631631.html

Or how about a chef who was kidnapped and forced to drive a bomb to a checkpoint and was blown up by the IRA?

https://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2020/10/24/news/-barbaric-and-cowardly-coshquin-human-bombing-remembered-30-years-on-2108550/

I'm not saying Pat Finnucane deserved to die just because of the work he did, his murder was a terrible thing, but to see the usual.IRA supporters in here wringing their hands over his death when their own heroes killed innocent people just because of the work they did is hypocrisy to say the least.

Great post. A touch of reality

Timberrrrrrrr · 01-12-2020 10:24pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

You are willing to turn a blind eye to the State being involved in murder...that's fine, work away.
Don't be looking down your nose at those who think it is an important principle.

Too many years of turning a blind eye to the vagaries of imperialism and colonisation I suspect.

And yet again FB puts words into a posters mouth to further his agenda. Nowhere did I say that, I'm pointing out the hypocrisy of the usual posters on here who will attack the British at every chance while always defending their IRA heroes for the exact same atrocities.

Normal One · 01-12-2020 10:28pm

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

IRA heroes for the exact same atrocities.

Exact same? Really?

FrancieBrady · 01-12-2020 10:30pm

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

And yet again FB puts words into a posters mouth to further his agenda. Nowhere did I say that, I'm pointing out the hypocrisy of the usual posters on here who will attack the British at every chance while always defending their IRA heroes for the exact same atrocities.

So basically you are saying because the IRA did something that legitmises the State being involved n murder?

Or what are you saying? I'd be saying the same thing if they were involved in the murder of an Afghani or a Loyalist. Or if it was the Irish state or any state btw.

downcow · 01-12-2020 10:32pm

walshb wrote: »

There have been killings of many from both sides where both sides can argue that the killings were justified or not justified, depending on the side.

IRA killed many people who you could argue should never have been targeted.

Same for loyalist killers..

I always felt that the IRA set out to target those that they believed to be directly involved in our oppression, or indirectly involved..

I always felt loyalists killed indiscriminately. There was a hate for Irish in their killings..

Anyway, thanks be to Jaysus this physical war is over

What the hell does this mean? You want to try living in a minority Protestant community in Northern Ireland. They Ira were every bit as sectarian as the loyalist paramilitaries.
I could give you endless cases where the targeted people simply because they were Protestant, and more particularly, young Protestant males who were likely to inherit a farm.
They seem to have you guys heads spinning in the Republic, thinking they were somehow honourable and only targeted the Brits. The IRA were sectarian scumbags. They targeted the most vulnerable isolated Protestants. They took people away and tortured them for three days before they finally murdered them.
Look what they done to their own, and they won’t even admit that they got it so so wrong. The British agents in their ranks set up the ‘sound’ IRA men for torture and murder, often carried out by other british agents in their ranks. Why are they not calling for a public enquiry into how many of their members were killed by other members who were British agents? Denis Bradley said today why not. He said they want to hide some of the terrible stuff they done
Total scumbags

Timberrrrrrrr · 01-12-2020 10:35pm

Normal One wrote: »

Exact same? Really?

Pat Finnucane killed because he did a job

Patsy Gillespie killed because he did a job

Yeah, the same. Two men dead because of the work they did.

Timberrrrrrrr · 01-12-2020 10:37pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

So basically you are saying because the IRA did something that legitmises the State being involved n murder?

Or what are you saying? I'd be saying the same thing if they were involved in the murder of an Afghani or a Loyalist. Or if it was the Irish state or any state btw.

No, thats not what I'm saying at all, thats what the Republican in you sees when you read my post though.

FrancieBrady · 01-12-2020 10:40pm

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

No, thats not what I'm saying at all, thats what the Republican in you sees when you read my post though.

Can you tell us what your view of the State being involved in murder is? Because all I can see is you having a pop at the IRA.

Normal One · 01-12-2020 10:44pm

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Pat Finnucane killed because he did a job

Patsy Gillespie killed because he did a job

Yeah, the same. Two men dead because of the work they did.

Did the Irish government, or another state, assist in the planning and execution of Mr. Gillespie? Did the police forces fail to investigate his killing? Did the government renege on a commitment to hold an inquiry?

Timberrrrrrrr · 01-12-2020 10:47pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Can you tell us what your view of the State being involved in murder is? Because all I can see is you having a pop at the IRA.

If the allegations are true then the people involved (no matter who they are) should be tried and punished.

C'mon FB we have been doing this dance for how many years now? You know I have no issue with condemning crimes committed by BA personnel or by their paymasters in the government.

You on the other side have defended the IRA to the hilt and then some, at no point was I defending the murder of Pat Finnucane I was just pointing north that the usual IRA supporters condemn his murder yet never mention the innocent people who were also killed by the IRA just because of the jobs they did.

BOTH sides committed heinous crimes, There is no justification and the families will probably never get any justice for their loved ones bit please stop making out that one side was good and one side was evil.

downcow · 01-12-2020 10:53pm

Normal One wrote: »

Did the Irish government, or another state, assist in the planning and execution of Mr. Gillespie? Did the police forces fail to investigate his killing? Did the government renege on a commitment to hold an inquiry?

Absolutely the Brits were involved in the Patsy Gillespie killing. One of their big agents 'the fisherman' was at the heart of arranging that attack.
what is the difference in some UDA men, who had handlers, hitting Finucane?

Normal One · 01-12-2020 10:56pm

downcow wrote: »

Absolutely the Brits were involved in the Patsy Gillespie killing. One of their big agents 'the fisherman' was at the heart of arranging that attack.
what is the difference in some UDA men, who had handlers, hitting Finucane?

It's almost like everything the brits stick their nose into ends badly. If what you claim were true, you can be sure it will remain under the carpet.

I'm sure you can see the common denominator.

FrancieBrady · 01-12-2020 10:56pm

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

If the allegations are true then the people involved (no matter who they are) should be tried and punished.

C'mon FB we have been doing this dance for how many years now? You know I have no issue with condemning crimes committed by BA personnel or by their paymasters in the government.

You on the other side have defended the IRA to the hilt and then some,

You may think I have, but I have never condoned an act of violence here ever. I think all the violence was wrong.
And even if I did tht does not make state involvement in murder correct.

at no point was I defending the murder of Pat Finnucane I was just pointing north that the usual IRA supporters condemn his murder yet never mention the innocent people who were also killed by the IRA just because of the jobs they did.

BOTH sides committed heinous crimes, There is no justification and the families will probably never get any justice for their loved ones bit please stop making out that one side was good and one side was evil.

I don't use victims of any side. No problem agreeing and have often said it, a lot of terrible things were done on this island.

end of the road · 01-12-2020 10:59pm

costacorta wrote: »

And you’re the expert on everything?in you own provo head maybe !As pointed out in another post Finucane was as much a target as a prison officer, or any other innocent victims murdered by your scummy friends . He was a well known republican but you will deny that like you deny Gerry was in the IRA as well . Maybe you need to take a break from posting 24/7 and go enjoy the good things in life rather than posting tripe day in day out ..Maybe have an inquiry to find out where ye buried jean Mc Conville ? Eh

he wasn't a republican and jerry wasn't in the ira, until such a case is brought to court to prove otherwise with sufficient evidence.

end of the road · 01-12-2020 11:04pm

costacorta wrote: »

I never called pat finucane scum !! I said IRA always crying foul when one of their Scum are shot . I stand over calling any IRA person scum and for that matter any other terrorist organisations Scum as well .

so you called pat finucane scum and presumably you believe the british army and RUC to be themselves terrorist organisations by virtue of the fact they committed terrorism?

smurgen · 01-12-2020 11:05pm

Basically if you're okay with this inquiry going ahead "because the IRA murdered too" what you're really saying is that the British government are on the same footing as terrorists.

Timberrrrrrrr · 01-12-2020 11:09pm

end of the road wrote: »

he wasn't a republican and jerry wasn't in the ira, until such a case is brought to court to prove otherwise with sufficient evidence.

And going by your logic the British were never involved in the murder of Pat Finnucane.

end of the road · 01-12-2020 11:12pm

Samsonsmasher wrote: »

In a war anyone who is an enemy or collaborates with the enemy has to expect death.
It didn't matter if a soldier is in uniform on armed patrol on the Falls Road or having pints in a pub in Birmingham.
It didn't matter if a republican was sitting at home watching TV with his kids or armed with a gun attacking an RUC station.
Pat Finucane was getting republicans off scot free who were going back to war as soon as they came out of prison.
Too bad

he was getting them off scot free because they were either innocent of the charges, there was insufficient evidence, or the investigations were crap.
either way, he did nothing wrong what soever apart from his job.

walshb · 01-12-2020 11:17pm

There seems to be two issues here..

This is simple: to loyalist death squads, Pat was a legitimate target

Same as victims of the IRA were on the republican side.

Both sides can justify the killings the same way both sides can argue against them..

It was a killing spree up North. A war!!

Second issue: Pat’s killing saw BA collude with loyalists to kill Pat..

Normal One · 01-12-2020 11:29pm

walshb wrote: »

There seems to be two issues here..

This is simple: to loyalist death squads, Pat was a legitimate target

Same as victims of the IRA were on the republican side.

Both sides can justify the killings the same way both sides can argue against them..

It was a killing spree up North. A war!!

Second issue: Pat’s killing saw BA collude with loyalists to kill Pat..

Pat Finucane had also defended loyalist paramilitary accused.

end of the road · 01-12-2020 11:39pm

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

And going by your logic the British were never involved in the murder of Pat Finnucane.

no as we know the british government were involved in the murder among many other murders and acts.

Timberrrrrrrr · 01-12-2020 11:49pm

end of the road wrote: »

no as we know the british government were involved in the murder among many other murders and acts.

Can you link me to the court case where the British government were found guilty of being complicit in the murder of Pat Finnucane? If not then "until such a case is brought to court to prove otherwise with sufficient evidence" there is no proof to your claim!

You dont get to pick and choose guilt/innocence based in your own beliefs, if you insist on a court case/evidence of guilt for one you must insist on the same for all.

Anything else is just hypocrisy.

Normal One · 01-12-2020 11:50pm

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Can you link me to the court case where the British government were found guilty of being complicit in the murder of Pat Finnucane? If not then "until such a case is brought to court to prove otherwise with sufficient evidence" there is no proof to your claim!

You dont get to pick and choose guilt/innocence based in your own beliefs, if you insist on a court case/evidence of guilt for one you must insist on the same for all.

Anything else is just hypocrisy.

I know that citing a British prime minister is dodgy at the best of times, but here goes:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2012/dec/12/david-cameron-pat-finucane-murder

woohoo!!! · 01-12-2020 11:59pm

The British government failed to hold up their end of the bargain, again.

On a separate note, it suits all sides not to shine a spotlight on such past heinous activities. It of course, does nothing for the victims and their families, whether they be victims of Republicans, Loyalists, police or army.

A Truth and Reconciliation Commission should have been done, not try and sweep things under the carpet.

walshb · 02-12-2020 12:11am

Normal One wrote: »

Pat Finucane had also defended loyalist paramilitary accused.

I know this..

Tell it to the loyalists who murdered him.

To them he was a legitimate target.

Do you think they gave a flying fook that he also defended loyalists?

To them, he was defending known republicans and IRA members.. that was the trigger to them to put him as a legitimate target.

The exact same occurred for the IRA. There were targets for them that many could argue were legitimate and many could argue were not legitimate.

No public enquiry in Pat Finucane Murder

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