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Pakistan.

  • 04-11-2018 9:41am
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    The case of that unfortunate woman accused of "blasphemy" has shone a light on this basket case of a country. Muslim hardliners marching and calling for her to be killed, her layer has had to flee the country and the government has refused to let her do so as well in line with the hardliners demands. This is a place where its not unusual for atheists, Christians and members of minority Muslim sects to be lynched by baying mobs. Where women who've been raped can be sentenced to be whipped for "adultery". That gave Bin Laden refuge etc etc. Oh and this failed state also has the nuclear bomb.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 32,688 ✭✭✭✭ytpe2r5bxkn0c1


    It might be an idea to look up what the definition of a Failed State is before starting the thread. Love them or loathe them, Pakistan is not a failed state.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 991 ✭✭✭The Crowman


    It might be an idea to look up what the definition of a Failed State is before starting the thread. Love them or loathe them, Pakistan is not a failed state.

    I'm already aware of what defines a failed state, thank you, and Pakistan ticks a lot of boxes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    It's as close to a failed state as you can get. There are large province's that are ungoverned and the military play by their own rules. The place has been on the brink for long time. The tribal areas are ruled by the Islamists. Down south is ruled by bandits.

    It's pretty much just a more aesthetically pleasing Afghanistan.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 852 ✭✭✭duffysfarm


    They are just misunderstood...


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,410 ✭✭✭old_aussie


    Even the fact that the court has found her innocent they still want her to be hanged to enforce the power of the clerics and their religion.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,058 ✭✭✭Mookie Blaylock


    A country where a police are complicit in lynchings of children, where you can be lynched for being of a different religion, or for speaking out against something you don't believe in.....no ... sorry....that's a country that is broken and cannot be fixed


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Back in the 1980s the great Breandán Ó hEithir wrote a hilarious (and huge selling) book called The Begrudger's Guide to Irish Politics. In it he introduced my teenage self to a brilliant word: troglodyte.

    Pakistan, Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia are the premier nations on our planet of supreme troglodytes. They are, quite simply, off the charts. The ruling by that village council in Pakistan about 15 years ago that a woman had to be gang raped by the male villagers for a crime her brother allegedly committed sums up so much about how ineffably backward they are. Even the most nether region of Europe in the Middle Ages would genuinely struggle to be as utterly backward as Pakistan is in 2018.

    100 women 2014: raped for punishment in Pakistan


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,088 ✭✭✭aaakev


    old_aussie wrote: »
    Even the fact that the court has found her innocent they still want her to be hanged to enforce the power of the clerics and their religion.

    Their peaceful religion right?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,105 ✭✭✭Trigger Happy


    It's their culture.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,453 ✭✭✭Shenshen


    Failed state? Not sure.

    Utter basket case? Absolutely.

    A prime example for why it's a bad idea ever letting religion near government and legislation.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    Pakistani journalists take no sh1t.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,570 ✭✭✭RandomName2


    It depends on where you're talking about in Pakistan. The regions that voted for Muttahida Majlis-e-Amal in the general election are some of the most dangerous, backward places in the world. MMA came 4th in the election so that's something.

    What's alarming is that Afghanistan looks like it is starting to collapse, and that's probably going to have some impact on Pakistan. In particular, the most radical regions of Pakistan border Afghanistan (it's not coincidental).

    The assassinations of the government ministers Taseer and Bhatti in 2011 for backing Asia Bibi's release (on the blasphemy case) is disquieting, as are the protests calling for her to be executed.

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    It's not a failed state, but it's sitting on a powder keg.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,457 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    In parts of India they kill their parents when they become a burden.
    Feeding them to the Tigers is a current favorite.

    They obviously have a different way of viewing the things in that part of the world.


    https://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4664334/amp/Elderly-relatives-sent-tiger-reserves-KILLED.html&ved=2ahUKEwimjsvTuLreAhVqLsAKHU7aAqcQFjACegQICRAB&usg=AOvVaw09TqNDLZl4Dcinztz7F5NW&ampcf=1&cshid=1541324445502


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,888 ✭✭✭Atoms for Peace


    kneemos wrote: »
    In parts of India they kill their parents when they become a burden.
    Feeding them to the Tigers is a current favorite.

    They obviously have a different way of viewing the things in that part of the world.


    https://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4664334/amp/Elderly-relatives-sent-tiger-reserves-KILLED.html&ved=2ahUKEwimjsvTuLreAhVqLsAKHU7aAqcQFjACegQICRAB&usg=AOvVaw09TqNDLZl4Dcinztz7F5NW&ampcf=1&cshid=1541324445502


    The way the healthcare system is going here, I could see the tiger sanctuary option becoming popular over here as well.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,480 ✭✭✭wexie


    The way the healthcare system is going here, I could see the tiger sanctuary option becoming popular over here as well.

    Nah, be really awkward to organise and import the tigers.

    Pig farm would be an idea though, would also lessen the amount of soy meal we need to import for them, keep the greenies happy as well :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,394 ✭✭✭Pac1Man


    That's why I don't give a fuuuuck when I hear about incidents in that part of the world.

    How could I care about anyone who has such a disregard for human life?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,453 ✭✭✭Shenshen


    Pac1Man wrote: »
    That's why I don't give a fuuuuck when I hear about incidents in that part of the world.

    How could I care about anyone who has such a disregard for human life?

    What, the woman jailed for blasphemy has disregard for human life? :confused:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15,116 ✭✭✭✭RasTa


    Beautiful country too, great mountains. Kashmir worth a visit


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,111 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    It might be an idea to look up what the definition of a Failed State is before starting the thread. Love them or loathe them, Pakistan is not a failed state.

    Not having rule of law qualifies as failure in my book. They have mob rule.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,132 ✭✭✭malinheader


    Shines a true light on the beliefs of this religion. How anyone thinks that people of this belief can integrate into western culture is beyond me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,319 ✭✭✭emo72


    What's going on in that twitter video? Are they just randomly attacking cars on a motorway?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,893 ✭✭✭Canis Lupus


    Any country where the national airline slaughters a goat to ward off bad luck is a-ok in my book.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,453 ✭✭✭Shenshen


    Shines a true light on the beliefs of this religion. How anyone thinks that people of this belief can integrate into western culture is beyond me.

    It shines a light on the current culture of one country.
    That says little enough about how Kaveh Billal from Iran is integrating into German society when he's attending his daughter's civil union ceremony where she's getting married to her long-term girlfriend (he's a friend of my mother's).


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Absolute animals
    Amazingly you would be called all sorts of things if you stated something sensible like we should have discriminatory migration from these kinds of countries. Like how dare we be picky.

    Positive discrimination, non islamic migrants only thank you very much. Anything else is political correctness gone mad


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,888 ✭✭✭Atoms for Peace


    RasTa wrote: »
    Beautiful country too, great mountains. Kashmir worth a visit

    Kashmir is in India.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,453 ✭✭✭Shenshen


    Kashmir is in India.

    In India, Pakistan and China.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kashmir


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,058 ✭✭✭Mookie Blaylock


    Kashmir is in India.

    It's disputed by both


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 466 ✭✭vg88


    I was on a metro in Hong Kong this year and was standing beside a pakistani lad.

    I was overlooking his phone (nosey bolix i know), his mate texted him that there was a bombing in his local village. First reaction was shock and then second text was to blame the West and CIA for this bombing and cause a breakdown in pakistan.

    Meet another pakistani lad later on (great guy), who left cause it's a **** hole. He told me their entire media is blame America for EVERYTHING. Also Allah is best and can never say a bad word about Allah.

    Parts of the country are meant to be beautiful and I have meet lovely pakistani people. They need to spend more money on education rather than nuclear weapons.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,750 ✭✭✭Avatar MIA


    A truly, truly great bunch of lads.

    There's no cure for what they have.

    If Pakistan fails the definition of a failed state, the definition needs to be changed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,132 ✭✭✭malinheader


    Shenshen wrote: »
    It shines a light on the current culture of one country.
    That says little enough about how Kaveh Billal from Iran is integrating into German society when he's attending his daughter's civil union ceremony where she's getting married to her long-term girlfriend (he's a friend of my mother's).

    Great to see.I have no problem with people like these. It's the ones who think you should be stoned in public or worse I have a problem with.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,409 ✭✭✭corner of hells


    Shenshen wrote: »
    In India, Pakistan and China.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kashmir

    Do you think there's people in Pakistan arguing this morning about our border ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,279 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    Great to see.I have no problem with people like these. It's the ones who think you should be stoned in public or worse I have a problem with.

    Even in Pakistan these people aren’t the majority but there is a lot of people who have incredibly backward beliefs. It’s not a country I would ever want to visit on my own. I worked with a few Pakistanis when I was in college and they were the soundest lads. 2 of them are still my friends now. They are my age and would have similar views to me on most social issues although they do have a somewhat immature attitude towards homosexuality.

    They’d tell you straight out that Pakistan is a basket case and they have no intention of returning there full time. They’re building lives for themselves here now. One of them started a level 6 course a few years ago and has worked his way up and is now in third year of a level 8 IT degree. He’s paying for it all himself full fees by working 7 nights a week as a taxi driver. I have no idea how he does it. Serious smarts and work ethic. That’s why it always pisses me off when I hear people bashing Muslim immigrants. Most of them are normal people just like us who want the same things we do.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,694 ✭✭✭✭McDermotX


    Kip


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,950 ✭✭✭ChikiChiki


    Have a couple of Pakistan mates. Very well measured, ambitious and grounded people. Hard to believe this is the same country they come from.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,453 ✭✭✭Shenshen


    Great to see.I have no problem with people like these. It's the ones who think you should be stoned in public or worse I have a problem with.

    Same here. But I refuse to mentally bundle them all into one group.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,170 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    ChikiChiki wrote: »
    Have a couple of Pakistan mates. Very well measured, ambitious and grounded people. Hard to believe this is the same country they come from.
    Not so much CC, they were measured, ambitious and grounded enough to leave the kip.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,714 ✭✭✭corks finest


    It's as close to a failed state as you can get. There are large province's that are ungoverned and the military play by their own rules. The place has been on the brink for long time. The tribal areas are ruled by the Islamists. Down south is ruled by bandits.

    It's pretty much just a more aesthetically pleasing Afghanistan.
    Cavemen


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,453 ✭✭✭Shenshen


    MadYaker wrote: »
    Even in Pakistan these people aren’t the majority but there is a lot of people who have incredibly backward beliefs. It’s not a country I would ever want to visit on my own. I worked with a few Pakistanis when I was in college and they were the soundest lads. 2 of them are still my friends now. They are my age and would have similar views to me on most social issues although they do have a somewhat immature attitude towards homosexuality.

    They’d tell you straight out that Pakistan is a basket case and they have no intention of returning there full time. They’re building lives for themselves here now. One of them started a level 6 course a few years ago and has worked his way up and is now in third year of a level 8 IT degree. He’s paying for it all himself full fees by working 7 nights a week as a taxi driver. I have no idea how he does it. Serious smarts and work ethic. That’s why it always pisses me off when I hear people bashing Muslim immigrants. Most of them are normal people just like us who want the same things we do.

    And most of them are doing just what we would be doing if we found ourselves in a country so heavily influenced by religious nutjobs - they're running away from it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15,116 ✭✭✭✭RasTa


    Kashmir is in India.

    It's a big place. Go visit. When I was there the Indian army major driving around with someone who threw rocks at his vehicles as a deterrent. Most Indians I talked to seen no problem with this. Don't think anything happened to him either. Imagine the Israelis doing that

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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,139 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    RasTa wrote: »
    It's a big place. Go visit. When I was there the Indian army major driving around with someone who threw rocks at his vehicles as a deterrent. Most Indians I talked to seen no problem with this. Don't think anything happened to him either. Imagine the Israelis doing that




    They did - as offical policy - for decades.
    https://www.btselem.org/topic/human_shields


    Still happens now, but is theoretically illegal.


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,139 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    RasTa wrote: »
    It's a big place. Go visit. When I was there the Indian army major driving around with someone who threw rocks at his vehicles as a deterrent. Most Indians I talked to seen no problem with this. Don't think anything happened to him either. Imagine the Israelis doing that




    Occasionally people, usually with sympathies for indepenence or union with pakistan, "dissapear". After a while they're found, dead, riddled with bullets, after a "shoot out" with the army/police. Yet where they are found is often strangely free of bullet holes, spent cartidges and the rest.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,500 ✭✭✭Dick phelan


    As the Donald would say it's a ****hole. There's a reason why most of the grooming gangs in the UK are from Pakistan, it's a basket case of a country and really scary they have Nukes. Isn't there a crazy statistic about the percentage of inbreeding in the Pakistani community in the UK. Crazy numbers of them married to first cousins.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,784 ✭✭✭✭padd b1975


    Good* cricketers though.





    *Complete and utter cheats, and that's only the umpires.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,995 ✭✭✭Ipso


    MadYaker wrote: »
    Even in Pakistan these people aren’t the majority but there is a lot of people who have incredibly backward beliefs. It’s not a country I would ever want to visit on my own. I worked with a few Pakistanis when I was in college and they were the soundest lads. 2 of them are still my friends now. They are my age and would have similar views to me on most social issues although they do have a somewhat immature attitude towards homosexuality.

    They’d tell you straight out that Pakistan is a basket case and they have no intention of returning there full time. They’re building lives for themselves here now. One of them started a level 6 course a few years ago and has worked his way up and is now in third year of a level 8 IT degree. He’s paying for it all himself full fees by working 7 nights a week as a taxi driver. I have no idea how he does it. Serious smarts and work ethic. That’s why it always pisses me off when I hear people bashing Muslim immigrants. Most of them are normal people just like us who want the same things we do.

    Is he from a rural or urban area?
    I wonder if there’s a difference between the moderates and the cavemen; is it generational, urban/rural etc


  • Registered Users Posts: 211 ✭✭Johnnycanyon


    I visited Pakistan several years ago and it was one of the best holidays I ever had.. The people I met went out of their way to help and said it was their duty as I was a visitor in their country..So not all Pakistanis are like the ones I have witnessed in the above videos, although it does surprise me somewhat.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    In terms of cities, places like Lahore are supposed to be ok but then you get cesspits like Karachi. The rural areas are back in the stone age.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,279 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    Ipso wrote: »
    Is he from a rural or urban area?
    I wonder if there’s a difference between the moderates and the cavemen; is it generational, urban/rural etc

    He's from a large city, can't remember the name. He says theres a huge divide between rural and urban. Rural much more conservative. Young people from urban areas tend to have fairly liberal views. Maybe not liberal by our standards though.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,555 ✭✭✭Roger Hassenforder


    If ever somone or their family were deserving of asylum...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,611 ✭✭✭Mooooo


    Like a lot of countries you'd wonder how they would have turned out if the colonial powers that invaded them didn't leave the place in ****e when when they left. A few years ago BBC news did a short piece on the conflict between India and Pakistan spanning 50+ years but conveniently didn't go back to when mountbatten pulled the troops out leaving people displaced all over the shop


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