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    #62
    FTA69
    Registered Users Posts: 9,252 ✭✭✭FTA69


    On the topic of Pakistan, the type of mad Islam being advocated there is a very, very new thing and is markedly distinct from the Islam being practiced there for the past thousand years dating back to the Mughals.

    On Netflix there’s a show called Amongst the Believers about how this Salafist sh*t took off there. Massive Saudi investment into education there in the form of Madrassahs (Islamic schools) facilitating extremism; they offered free school places to boys from families who couldn’t afford the state school fees. Such to the point hundreds of thousands of people came out of these institutions radicalised and ended up forming an insurrectionary subculture.

    I’m forever saying it, but whether it’s to do without East London or Pakistan or Morocco it comes back to the same source - f*cking Gulf oil money and Erdogan’s Turkey. But yet our governments are utterly determined to kiss their arses. That’s the row that needs to be had.


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    #63
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,059 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    Richard Hillman wrote: »
    Why were countries, even smaller countries like Belgium, able to colonise much larger lands and populations? Why were they more powerful?




    ...because they had advanced technology. Shooting men armed with sticks by way of a maxim machine gun is not the bravest or noblest of endeavours.


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    #64
    Richard Hillman
    Registered Users Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    Odhinn wrote: »
    ...because they had advanced technology. Shooting men armed with sticks by way of a maxim machine gun is not the bravest or noblest of endeavours.

    Why did they have more advanced technology?


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    #65
    FTA69
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    Richard Hillman wrote: »
    Why were countries, even smaller countries like Belgium, able to colonise much larger lands and populations? Why were they more powerful?

    Because the Belgians were facilitated by other European countries who saw the colonisation of Africa as a handy number. Europe industrialised and developed rapidly for a variety of reasons, chief amongst of which was the massive capital injection from the wholesale looting of gold and silver from South America.


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    #66
    wexie
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    FTA69 wrote: »
    Colonial forces often displayed a far greater inhumanity and savagery than the silly natives who were being conquered;

    Ah but that's okay, it was inhumanity and savagery in the name of God, King and country so entirely excusable....

    :rolleyes:


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    #67
    FTA69
    Registered Users Posts: 9,252 ✭✭✭FTA69


    Richard Hillman wrote: »
    Why were countries, even smaller countries like Belgium, able to colonise much larger lands and populations? Why were they more powerful?
    Richard Hillman wrote: »
    Why were countries, even smaller countries like Belgium, able to colonise much larger lands and populations? Why were they more powerful?

    Because the Belgians were facilitated by other European countries who saw the colonisation of Africa as a handy number. Europe industrialised and developed rapidly for a variety of reasons, chief amongst of which was the massive capital injection from the wholesale looting of gold and silver from South America.


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    #68
    FTA69
    Registered Users Posts: 9,252 ✭✭✭FTA69


    The usual charmers out with tropes about spear chuckers and black people being less intelligent.

    Dopey sh*t if there ever was.


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    #69
    Richard Hillman
    Registered Users Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    FTA69 wrote: »
    Because the Belgians were facilitated by other European countries who saw the colonisation of Africa as a handy number. Europe industrialised and developed rapidly for a variety of reasons, chief amongst of which was the massive capital injection from the wholesale looting of gold and silver from South America.


    And why didn't they do that to their own lands, Europe and South America? They didn't not do because they're sound.


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    #70
    goat2
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    imme wrote: »
    The recent protests cost the country $1.2bn in damage.

    The state agreed with religious groups that she cannot leave the country.

    Her lawyer has fled Pakistan reportedly.

    I won't be going to Pakistan on my holidays.

    She is forever in danger of being murdered,
    She has children and family there.
    so very dangerous


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    #71
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,059 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    Based and Red Pilled wrote: »
    More intelligent, stronger people.




    Wasn't belgium easily conquered by Germany in two world wars? That must mean the Germans are some sort of "superior race" by your logic. Whereever have I heard that notion before......


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    #72
    imme
    Registered Users Posts: 3,200 ✭✭✭imme


    Richard Hillman wrote: »
    Why were countries, even smaller countries like Belgium, able to colonise much larger lands and populations? Why were they more powerful?

    Industrialisation, weapons technology, lack of knowledge on behalf of their victims about Belgium's comparative numerical inferiority.


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    #73
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,059 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    Based and Red Pilled wrote: »
    Yeah the Germans were miles ahead of them in WWII, no question there.

    Why did no african kingdom construct a navy to match the English, French or Spanish? Is it racist to merely ask a question?


    No, it just suggests and ignorant and lazy world view. Read the following and get back to me.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guns,_Germs,_and_Steel


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    #74
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,059 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    imme wrote: »
    Industrialisation, weapons technology, lack of knowledge on behalf of their victims about Belgium's comparative numerical inferiority.




    And the notion that belgium conquered some other state called "the congo" is fundamentally wrong. They conquered an area with various peoples that was later to be named the congo and set within borders defined by colonial powers with no consultation with the population therein.


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    #75
    Danzy
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    Pakistan will blow one day and either descend into civil war or full blown Islamist State.

    Either way it will be a horrendous mess, look at the way it is now, but orders of magnitude worse.

    I expect it will be a globally significant problem, 200 million people and it will have an impact in England.

    There is no positive showing up to suggest otherwise.


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    #76
    NIMAN
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    What was the video about with people battering cars?


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    #77
    Danzy
    Registered Users Posts: 13,487 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    FTA69 wrote: »
    On the topic of Pakistan, the type of mad Islam being advocated there is a very, very new thing and is markedly distinct from the Islam being practiced there for the past thousand years dating back to the Mughals.

    On Netflix there’s a show called Amongst the Believers about how this Salafist sh*t took off there. Massive Saudi investment into education there in the form of Madrassahs (Islamic schools) facilitating extremism; they offered free school places to boys from families who couldn’t afford the state school fees. Such to the point hundreds of thousands of people came out of these institutions radicalised and ended up forming an insurrectionary subculture.

    I’m forever saying it, but whether it’s to do without East London or Pakistan or Morocco it comes back to the same source - f*cking Gulf oil money and Erdogan’s Turkey. But yet our governments are utterly determined to kiss their arses. That’s the row that needs to be had.

    The Mughals were very strict in religious practice yes, Islam, all over the world is reverting back to the form as Mohammed practiced once more and it is causing problems but the Islamic world was in nearly all places obscenely strict 100 years ago.


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    #78
    Richard Hillman
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    Anyway back to Pakistan


    The main issue is how do we retrieve or disarm the nukes. I would imagine their outdated nuclear weapons can be disarmed or shot down if they got into the wrong hands but the materials are still the materials.


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    #79
    KungPao
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    NIMAN wrote: »
    What was the video about with people battering cars?

    Nissan Leaf owners I think.


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    #80
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,059 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    Danzy wrote: »
    The Mughals were very strict in religious practice yes, Islam, all over the world is reverting back to the firm as Mohammed practiced once more and it is causing problems but the Islamic world was in nearly all places obscenely strict 100 years ago.




    Not at all. The drive towards strict conservative sunni islam is largely the work of the Saudi state promoting their wahabbi sect.


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    #81
    Danzy
    Registered Users Posts: 13,487 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Odhinn wrote: »
    Not at all. The drive towards strict conservative sunni islam is largely the work of the Saudi state promoting their wahabbi sect.

    In Pakistan and India it was/is down to deobandism, who have spent near 80 years returning Islam to its principals.

    Saudi Arabia added to this granted


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    #82
    BattleCorp
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    NIMAN wrote: »
    What was the video about with people battering cars?

    The cars committed blasphemy. :D


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    #83
    old_aussie
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    Odhinn wrote: »
    ...because they had advanced technology. Shooting men armed with sticks by way of a maxim machine gun is not the bravest or noblest of endeavours.

    Unlike the Pakistani muslim men calling for/demanding the hanging of an innocent Christian girl...….where that certainly is a noble endeavour of muslims!


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    #84
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,059 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    old_aussie wrote: »
    Unlike the Pakistani muslim men calling for/demanding the hanging of an innocent Christian girl...….where that certainly is a noble endeavour of muslims!


    You realise that there can be a multiple of evils, not just a simplistic dichotomy? No, probably not.


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    Richard Hillman wrote: »
    Anyway back to Pakistan


    The main issue is how do we retrieve or disarm the nukes. I would imagine their outdated nuclear weapons can be disarmed or shot down if they got into the wrong hands but the materials are still the materials.

    I'd hardly call them 'outdated'. Appears they are developing a number of different delivery systems as well as battlefield nukes whose security is considered not the best by outside observers.
    In the Worldwide Threat Assessment for 2018, US Director of National Intelligence Daniel R. Coats said, “Pakistan continues to produce nuclear weapons and develop new types of nuclear weapons, including short-range tactical weapons, sea-based cruise missiles, air-launched cruise missiles, and longer-range ballistic missiles. These new types of nuclear weapons will introduce new risks for escalation dynamics and security in the region”

    https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/00963402.2018.1507796


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    #86
    JohnCleary
    Registered Users Posts: 10,208 ✭✭✭✭JohnCleary


    FTA69 wrote: »
    On the topic of Pakistan, the type of mad Islam being advocated there is a very, very new thing and is markedly distinct from the Islam being practiced there for the past thousand years dating back to the Mughals.

    On Netflix there’s a show called Amongst the Believers about how this Salafist sh*t took off there. Massive Saudi investment into education there in the form of Madrassahs (Islamic schools) facilitating extremism; they offered free school places to boys from families who couldn’t afford the state school fees. Such to the point hundreds of thousands of people came out of these institutions radicalised and ended up forming an insurrectionary subculture.

    I’m forever saying it, but whether it’s to do without East London or Pakistan or Morocco it comes back to the same source - f*cking Gulf oil money and Erdogan’s Turkey. But yet our governments are utterly determined to kiss their arses. That’s the row that needs to be had.

    Just watched this, thanks for sharing.

    A MUST WATCH, imho.


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    #87
    JupiterKid
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    Pakistan is an utterly backward sh*thole that is gradually descending into another Islamofascist theocratic state.

    The Islamic world is going backwards, it is regressing. It is obvious for all to see.


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    #88
    Danzy
    Registered Users Posts: 13,487 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    JupiterKid wrote: »
    Pakistan is an utterly backward sh*thole that is gradually descending into another Islamofascist theocratic state.

    The Islamic world is going backwards, it is regressing. It is obvious for all to see.

    A blunt but accurate assessment.


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    #89
    nlrkjos
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    I've worked in Pakistan back in the 90's and found the people I worked with to be the most horrible, bad mannered, arrogant people ever. But I've worked with Pakistani's outside of Pakistan and find them to be absolutely fantastic guys/gals to work with! Maybe that country puts too much pressure on them too conform to their "social norms".


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    #90
    Danzy
    Registered Users Posts: 13,487 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    DChancer wrote: »
    The world would be a better place without Religion.
    Like most organized religions Islam has many sects/divisions, some are extreme and very dangerous, some are quite the opposite.

    Two atheist societies, The USSR and People's Republic of China were the most murderous societies in a long time, Genghis khan, who let people believe or practice without fear or favour, killed up to 2 in every 100 alive at the time globally.

    It is more complex than blaming it on religion or one thing.


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    #91
    BattleCorp
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    Danzy wrote: »
    Two atheist societies, The USSR and People's Republic of China were the most murderous societies in a long time, Genghis khan, who let people believe or practice without fear or favour, killed up to 2 in every 100 alive at the time globally.

    It is more complex than blaming it on religion or one thing.


    When dealing with complex issues, start by chipping away at the problem. Getting rid of the religious fanatics is a pretty good place to start.


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