Complete lack of pre Famine history

BabyE · 12-10-2016 12:57am #1

Trying to watch a documentary but just realized the lack lf Irish history before famine and particularly 1916. Irish history is boring after 1900, world war passed us oby and by time we won independence, the poverty isolated oppressed narrative had been indented into the pysche.

The Backwards Man · 12-10-2016 1:01am

BabyE wrote: »

Trying to watch a documentary but just realized the lack lf Irish history before famine and particularly 1916. Irish history is boring after 1900, world war passed us oby and by time we won independence, the poverty isolated oppressed narrative had been indented into the pysche.

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Sparks43 · 12-10-2016 1:08am

They were so hungry all the books got eaten

BabyE · 12-10-2016 1:13am

when gladiators were fighting in the collosseum, what the fucj were our ancient bogbodies doing? freezing and drenched

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000 · 12-10-2016 1:15am

BabyE wrote: »

when gladiators were fighting in the collosseum, what the fucj were our ancient bogbodies doing? freezing and drenched

Down in the pub.

The Backwards Man · 12-10-2016 1:17am

We were having a D I S C O, D I S C O!

We were having a disco

Crann na Beatha · 12-10-2016 1:18am

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Insect Overlord · 12-10-2016 1:18am

BabyE wrote: »

when gladiators were fighting in the collosseum, what the fucj were our ancient bogbodies doing? freezing and drenched

They were bored after already having finished Newgrange and all the dolmens, and were patiently waiting for the Romans to start sharing Latin so that they could create some of the most intricately designed manuscripts on the planet.

The Backwards Man · 12-10-2016 1:19am

She's D, deliorious

corner of hells · 12-10-2016 1:23am

The Backwards Man wrote: »

She's D, deliorious

She is I , irresistible

The_Valeyard · 12-10-2016 1:24am

Well, a lot of stuff went down in 1798 and the 1640s from what I hear.

The Backwards Man · 12-10-2016 1:25am

She's S, superficial

Yay, we're making more sense than the OP and all we're doing is having a disco

siblers · 12-10-2016 1:25am

BabyE wrote: »

Trying to watch a documentary but just realized the lack lf Irish history before famine and particularly 1916. Irish history is boring after 1900, world war passed us oby and by time we won independence, the poverty isolated oppressed narrative had been indented into the pysche.

Plantations
Wolfe Tonne
Battle Of The Boyne
Viking Raids
Hill Of Tara and all the folklore associated with it
Pagans/Christianity
Cromwell
9 Years War/Flight of the Earls
Irish rebellion of 1641
Battle of Carrickfergus
Act Of Union
Fenian Rising

The Backwards Man · 12-10-2016 1:26am

siblers wrote: »

Plantations
Wolfe Tonne
Battle Of The Boyne
Viking Raids
Hill Of Tara and all the folklore associated with it
Pagans/Christianity
Cromwell
9 Years War/Flight of the Earls
Irish rebellion of 1641
Battle of Carrickfergus
Act Of Union
Fenian Rising

She's C, complicated:)

corner of hells · 12-10-2016 1:28am

The Backwards Man wrote: »

She's C, complicated:)

She's O. .. ooohh

NiallBoo · 12-10-2016 1:28am

siblers wrote: »

Wolfe Tonne

Early adopter of the metric system, was he?

The Backwards Man · 12-10-2016 1:30am

corner of hells wrote: »

She's O. .. ooohh

My man (or woman)!!

You see OP, history is a funny thing, and here's the thing boys and girls, here's the thing.

It's all history. All of it

Rachiee · 12-10-2016 1:35am

The fact that we have one of the most impressive neo lithic structures in the world.

And had the largest viking settlement outside of scandanavia (til we bulldozed over it whoopsie)
Dont count for much

The Backwards Man · 12-10-2016 1:40am

Rachiee wrote: »

The fact that we have one of the most impressive neo lithic structures in the world.

And had the largest viking settlement outside of scandanavia (til we bulldozed over it whoopsie)
Dont count for much

The way all the old megalithic sites line up is pretty impressive too. I think our predecessors would have some stories to tell.

But, still, not as impressive as the Chirpy Chirpy Cheep Cheep Song, alliteration at its finest!

The Backwards Man · 12-10-2016 1:53am

Serious head on for a minute, do any of ye know how hard it is to line out a house just so the walls are straight? These guys were lining them out against the position of the sun on ONE day of the year.

Not the Vengaboys, the neolithic people!

BabyE · 12-10-2016 1:55am

when I say lack I mean lack of docs, not happenings. ireland was much more partnof the wider euro story before like 1800

The Backwards Man · 12-10-2016 2:03am

BabyE wrote: »

when I say lack I mean lack of docs, not happenings. ireland was much more partnof the wider euro story before like 1800

'Europe' is a very recent concept, there was barely a euro concept in most of our parent's times and none at all in any of our grandparent's times

GLaDOS · 12-10-2016 2:10am

Strictly speaking, we have more history before the famine then after.

me_right_one · 12-10-2016 2:22am

Any document worth keeping was kept safe in the customs house, which was burnt in the civil war.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burning_of_the_Custom_House

BabyE · 12-10-2016 2:22am

The Backwards Man wrote: »

'Europe' is a very recent concept, there was barely a euro concept in most of our parent's times and none at all in any of our grandparent's times

what the fucj u on about? columbanus the famous irish monk spoke of a europe united by religion and culture. of ciurse our grandparents had no image of europe, they grew up at the height of nationalism, by the 1800s the idea of ireland as a distant isolated outpist was pushed and embraced but for our 500ad ancestors, they were hellbent on putting ireland at the forefront of european affairs

BabyE · 12-10-2016 2:27am

GLaDOS wrote: »

Strictly speaking, we have more history before the famine then after.

irish history turns to **** after wolfe tone, I hate modern irish hi story. im far more interested in early irish raiders in britain attacking them long before they attacked us, viking dublin, trade and commerce involving irish and byzantine traders, the origins of the first settlers than some boring ****e about dev or "the brits"

me_right_one · 12-10-2016 2:29am

BabyE wrote: »

irish history turns to **** after wolfe tone, I hate modern irish history

Why? Cos we actually beat the english and got control over 70% of our own country? Seems like the best part to me! Nice edit there by the way.

Riddle101 · 12-10-2016 2:30am

I actually love all Irish history, even if a lot of it is dark. But I find it a fascinating subject.

Then again, I find all history fascinating. Just today I was reading about Attila the Hun, and last week I read about Genghis Khan. Two very interesting people.

BabyE · 12-10-2016 2:32am

me_right_one wrote: »

Why? Cos we actually beat the english and got control over 70% of our own country? Seems like the best part to me!

I find it more interesting finding out the idea of a united ireland wad pushed by the church, I find the individual Kingdom s and their wars more fascinating. I prefer our pagan culture and history

me_right_one · 12-10-2016 2:42am

BabyE wrote: »

I find it more interesting finding out the idea of a united ireland wad pushed by the church, I find the individual Kingdom s and their wars more fascinating. I prefer our pagan culture and history

You're not one of them, are you?

Ireland was always united under the high king. Squabbles broke out over control, but never to the level of having two countries on the one island. And the notion of Irish unity is only a recent one since 1921. Before that, the cause was for Irish freedom. And the idea that the Church had any sort of input into defining borders is just daft.

riffmongous · 12-10-2016 2:47am

We did 'seem' more connected to european politics pre-1798 alright I think, after the Act you don't really hear so much about irish ties to europe.. of course the emergence of america and Australia would have played a big role in that I guess, before people would have emigrated to the likes of spain, germany, france instead as soldiers

BabyE · 12-10-2016 3:06am

riffmongous wrote: »

We did 'seem' more connected to european politics pre-1798 alright I think, after the Act you don't really hear so much about irish ties to europe.. of course the emergence of america and Australia would have played a big role in that I guess, before people would have emigrated to the likes of spain, germany, france instead as soldiers

its not just us, its pretty much accepted. I suppose since the americas were discovered, naturally as an island nation particularly we would have felt as confined to our continent that we find ourselves as an archipelago of but we became far far more insular it seems in mindset

The Rape of Lucretia · 12-10-2016 6:32am

siblers wrote: »

Plantations
Wolfe Tonne
Battle Of The Boyne
Viking Raids
Hill Of Tara and all the folklore associated with it
Pagans/Christianity
Cromwell
9 Years War/Flight of the Earls
Irish rebellion of 1641
Battle of Carrickfergus
Act Of Union
Fenian Rising

Not a lot really then of much import or of consequence for the world.

The Rape of Lucretia · 12-10-2016 6:34am

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Serious head on for a minute, do any of ye know how hard it is to line out a house just so the walls are straight? These guys were lining them out against the position of the sun on ONE day of the year.

Thats just lazy. Why didnt they carry on building serious stuff the other 364 ?

cbyrd · 12-10-2016 9:31am

The Backwards Man wrote:

Serious head on for a minute, do any of ye know how hard it is to line out a house just so the walls are straight? These guys were lining them out against the position of the sun on ONE day of the year.

That was the aliens ... They built the pyramids too apparently.

BabyE wrote:

I prefer our pagan culture and history

And the rest of the world. Halloween started on the Hill of Ward in Meath.. it got imported to the US and trick or treating was invented. They sold it back to us in costumes and pumpkins.

Christmas, originally the pagan festival of light, morphed into St Nicholas by the Christians, cos, them pagans are the devil and we can be having any of that, which was then stolen by the US and peddled back to us by Coca-Cola.

The Hill of Tara has regular pagan celebrations. They're not advertised cos everyone is scared of witches..

(I can't provide any links cos I couldn't be bothered looking but it is all information I got from my Granda who was an expert on everything. )

Dravokivich · 12-10-2016 9:38am

BabyE wrote: »

I find it more interesting finding out the idea of a united ireland wad pushed by the church, I find the individual Kingdom s and their wars more fascinating. I prefer our pagan culture and history

What are you talking about, sure there was nothing before the famine like?

munchkin_utd · 13-10-2016 9:26am

so you're saying theres no history before the famine, history after 1900 is boring, which really leaves about 50 years in the middle which you are saying is worth looking at.

I think you have found your calling for your career as a historian, if not your specialist Master Mind topic, "Ireland between 1842 and 1900 (cos the rest is just sh1te)"

SEPT 23 1989 · 13-10-2016 9:38am

LordSutch · 13-10-2016 9:47am

BabyE wrote: »

Trying to watch a documentary but just realized the lack lf Irish history before famine and particularly 1916. Irish history is boring after 1900, world war passed us oby and by time we won independence, the poverty isolated oppressed narrative had been indented into the pysche.

I wouldn't say the 1st war passed us by seeing as we lost 50.000 men in it. Indeed the Rising was carried out right in the middle of the Great War, while most of the soldiers (250.000 Irish men) were away fighting the Germans!
We were very challenged during the 1914-1918 period of our history.

Admittedly this period in Irish history (re 1st World War) has only recently been recognised.

whisky_galore · 13-10-2016 9:56am

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Not a lot really then of much import or of consequence for the world.

Could say much the same about many other small-ish countries, or even larger ones that kept to themselves.

HensVassal · 13-10-2016 10:00am

An File wrote: »

They were bored after already having finished Newgrange and all the dolmens, and were patiently waiting for the Romans to start sharing Latin so that they could create some of the most intricately designed manuscripts on the planet.

While they were waiting for the Romans to get their shit together I think they whiled away the time doing a spot of metalwork and sculpture tapping out things like the the Petrie Crown, Keshcarrigan Bowl, Corleck Head, Tara Brooch, Loughnashade Trumpet and various other snazzy little widgets

topper75 · 13-10-2016 10:34am

HensVassal wrote: »

While they were waiting for the Romans to get their shit together I think they whiled away the time doing a spot of metalwork and sculpture tapping out things like the the Petrie Crown, Keshcarrigan Bowl, Corleck Head, Tara Brooch, Loughnashade Trumpet and various other snazzy little widgets

But when you have a lot of fancy stuff on show, people are gonna be watching.

DrumSteve · 13-10-2016 10:36am

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Not a lot really then of much import or of consequence for the world.

The battle of the boyne would have been an extremely important event.

Sure people are still going mad over it.

BabyE · 13-10-2016 1:12pm

DrumSteve wrote: »

The battle of the boyne would have been an extremely important event.

Sure people are still going mad over it.

Yeah that's what I mean, Ireland before like 1900 was much more of a player, seems the little isle nestled behind Britain mentality became a much later narrative. Its natural though I guess, before the British expanded and became the massive power they would become, the world didn't focus on Britain, for the Irish it was just a slightly bigger island to the east removed from the european mainland. However as their power increased of course Ireland would start to feel vastly inferior to this neighbouring island.

Ted111 · 13-10-2016 1:34pm

"History is a set of lies agreed upon."

Napoleon Bonaparte.

BalcombeSt4 · 13-10-2016 1:59pm

tomwaterford · 13-10-2016 2:54pm

Possibly explain ops lack of comments query as stuff used be given by word of mouth....mass paths etc in the countryside

Penal Laws (Ireland) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Atoms for Peace · 13-10-2016 7:07pm

BabyE wrote: »

when gladiators were fighting in the collosseum, what the fucj were our ancient bogbodies doing? freezing and drenched

Cattle raiding, fishing for salmon, hurling and being turned into swans.

Capt'n Midnight · 13-10-2016 9:52pm

Synod of Bishops 1111

nice_guy80 · 13-10-2016 10:06pm

bog trackways

built in the bronze age across much of Ireland, which was covered in bog

so that's planned highways across Ireland 1500 years before the Romans even thought about building roads.

BabyE · 14-10-2016 1:53am

nice_guy80 wrote: »

bog trackways

built in the bronze age across much of Ireland, which was covered in bog

so that's planned highways across Ireland 1500 years before the Romans even thought about building roads.

Insane really. Decided I'll go Newgrange next week

Complete lack of pre Famine history

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