Complete lack of pre Famine history

BabyE · 12-10-2016 03:06AM

riffmongous wrote: »

We did 'seem' more connected to european politics pre-1798 alright I think, after the Act you don't really hear so much about irish ties to europe.. of course the emergence of america and Australia would have played a big role in that I guess, before people would have emigrated to the likes of spain, germany, france instead as soldiers

its not just us, its pretty much accepted. I suppose since the americas were discovered, naturally as an island nation particularly we would have felt as confined to our continent that we find ourselves as an archipelago of but we became far far more insular it seems in mindset

The Rape of Lucretia · 12-10-2016 06:32AM

siblers wrote: »

Plantations
Wolfe Tonne
Battle Of The Boyne
Viking Raids
Hill Of Tara and all the folklore associated with it
Pagans/Christianity
Cromwell
9 Years War/Flight of the Earls
Irish rebellion of 1641
Battle of Carrickfergus
Act Of Union
Fenian Rising

Not a lot really then of much import or of consequence for the world.

The Rape of Lucretia · 12-10-2016 06:34AM

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Serious head on for a minute, do any of ye know how hard it is to line out a house just so the walls are straight? These guys were lining them out against the position of the sun on ONE day of the year.

Thats just lazy. Why didnt they carry on building serious stuff the other 364 ?

cbyrd · 12-10-2016 09:31AM

The Backwards Man wrote:

Serious head on for a minute, do any of ye know how hard it is to line out a house just so the walls are straight? These guys were lining them out against the position of the sun on ONE day of the year.

That was the aliens ... They built the pyramids too apparently.

BabyE wrote:

I prefer our pagan culture and history

And the rest of the world. Halloween started on the Hill of Ward in Meath.. it got imported to the US and trick or treating was invented. They sold it back to us in costumes and pumpkins.

Christmas, originally the pagan festival of light, morphed into St Nicholas by the Christians, cos, them pagans are the devil and we can be having any of that, which was then stolen by the US and peddled back to us by Coca-Cola.

The Hill of Tara has regular pagan celebrations. They're not advertised cos everyone is scared of witches..

(I can't provide any links cos I couldn't be bothered looking but it is all information I got from my Granda who was an expert on everything. )

Dravokivich · 12-10-2016 09:38AM

BabyE wrote: »

I find it more interesting finding out the idea of a united ireland wad pushed by the church, I find the individual Kingdom s and their wars more fascinating. I prefer our pagan culture and history

What are you talking about, sure there was nothing before the famine like?

munchkin_utd · 13-10-2016 09:26AM

so you're saying theres no history before the famine, history after 1900 is boring, which really leaves about 50 years in the middle which you are saying is worth looking at.

I think you have found your calling for your career as a historian, if not your specialist Master Mind topic, "Ireland between 1842 and 1900 (cos the rest is just sh1te)"

SEPT 23 1989 · 13-10-2016 09:38AM

LordSutch · 13-10-2016 09:47AM

BabyE wrote: »

Trying to watch a documentary but just realized the lack lf Irish history before famine and particularly 1916. Irish history is boring after 1900, world war passed us oby and by time we won independence, the poverty isolated oppressed narrative had been indented into the pysche.

I wouldn't say the 1st war passed us by seeing as we lost 50.000 men in it. Indeed the Rising was carried out right in the middle of the Great War, while most of the soldiers (250.000 Irish men) were away fighting the Germans!
We were very challenged during the 1914-1918 period of our history.

Admittedly this period in Irish history (re 1st World War) has only recently been recognised.

whisky_galore · 13-10-2016 09:56AM

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Not a lot really then of much import or of consequence for the world.

Could say much the same about many other small-ish countries, or even larger ones that kept to themselves.

HensVassal · 13-10-2016 10:00AM

An File wrote: »

They were bored after already having finished Newgrange and all the dolmens, and were patiently waiting for the Romans to start sharing Latin so that they could create some of the most intricately designed manuscripts on the planet.

While they were waiting for the Romans to get their shit together I think they whiled away the time doing a spot of metalwork and sculpture tapping out things like the the Petrie Crown, Keshcarrigan Bowl, Corleck Head, Tara Brooch, Loughnashade Trumpet and various other snazzy little widgets

topper75 · 13-10-2016 10:34AM

HensVassal wrote: »

While they were waiting for the Romans to get their shit together I think they whiled away the time doing a spot of metalwork and sculpture tapping out things like the the Petrie Crown, Keshcarrigan Bowl, Corleck Head, Tara Brooch, Loughnashade Trumpet and various other snazzy little widgets

But when you have a lot of fancy stuff on show, people are gonna be watching.

DrumSteve · 13-10-2016 10:36AM

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Not a lot really then of much import or of consequence for the world.

The battle of the boyne would have been an extremely important event.

Sure people are still going mad over it.

BabyE · 13-10-2016 01:12PM

DrumSteve wrote: »

The battle of the boyne would have been an extremely important event.

Sure people are still going mad over it.

Yeah that's what I mean, Ireland before like 1900 was much more of a player, seems the little isle nestled behind Britain mentality became a much later narrative. Its natural though I guess, before the British expanded and became the massive power they would become, the world didn't focus on Britain, for the Irish it was just a slightly bigger island to the east removed from the european mainland. However as their power increased of course Ireland would start to feel vastly inferior to this neighbouring island.

Ted111 · 13-10-2016 01:34PM

"History is a set of lies agreed upon."

Napoleon Bonaparte.

BalcombeSt4 · 13-10-2016 01:59PM

tomwaterford · 13-10-2016 02:54PM

Possibly explain ops lack of comments query as stuff used be given by word of mouth....mass paths etc in the countryside

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Atoms for Peace · 13-10-2016 07:07PM

BabyE wrote: »

when gladiators were fighting in the collosseum, what the fucj were our ancient bogbodies doing? freezing and drenched

Cattle raiding, fishing for salmon, hurling and being turned into swans.

Capt'n Midnight · 13-10-2016 09:52PM

Synod of Bishops 1111

nice_guy80 · 13-10-2016 10:06PM

bog trackways

built in the bronze age across much of Ireland, which was covered in bog

so that's planned highways across Ireland 1500 years before the Romans even thought about building roads.

BabyE · 14-10-2016 01:53AM

nice_guy80 wrote: »

bog trackways

built in the bronze age across much of Ireland, which was covered in bog

so that's planned highways across Ireland 1500 years before the Romans even thought about building roads.

Insane really. Decided I'll go Newgrange next week

me_right_one · 14-10-2016 03:31PM

BabyE wrote: »

Insane really. Decided I'll go Newgrange next week

While you're in the area, you could drop in to Trim Castle aswell. And the Hill of Tara. Actually, all of Meath is a pre-famine history goldmine.

BabyE · 14-10-2016 03:34PM

Something as simple as Ireland just being full of forest is so so interesting to me, we have a beautiful country but really only along the coasts, the middle is too bare, flat, boring and ugly.

Complete lack of pre Famine history

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