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Woman finds out that her boyfriend is actually her female best friend...

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  • #102
    BattleCorp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,789 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    Kev W wrote: »
    To sum up this thread for newcomers:

    "I wasn't there and admit to having significantly less information to hand than those that were but I'm pretty sure my conclusion is correct and they were wrong."


    Yep, your assessment of the situation does seem to be my position.

    I forsee an appeal and the woman to be cleared.

    I've another question, why was Newlands name released during this trial. I thought in sexual assault trials, they didn't release names unless the victim waives their right to anonimity?


  • #103
    Notavirus.exe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 832 ✭✭✭Notavirus.exe


    BattleCorp wrote: »
    I've another question, why was Newlands name released during this trial. I thought in sexual assault trials, they didn't release names unless the victim waives their right to anonimity?

    Gayle Newland was the woman who pretended to be a man, not the victim.


  • #104
    BattleCorp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,789 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    Notavirus.exe wrote: »
    Gayle Newland was the woman who pretended to be a man, not the victim.


    Yes, I know this. I'm wondering why her name was released and the victim's name wasn't.

    It's unusual for the defendant's name to be released before conviction and sometimes even after conviction when it comes to sexual offences.


  • #105
    Notavirus.exe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 832 ✭✭✭Notavirus.exe


    BattleCorp wrote: »
    Yes, I know this. I'm wondering why her name was released and the victim's name wasn't.

    It's unusual for the defendant's name to be released before conviction and sometimes even after conviction when it comes to sexual offences.

    If you were that woman, would you want the world to know that you were raped by another woman and were stupid enough to wear a blindfold while having sex and WATCHING TV?

    I don't find it unusual at all. You can usually hear about an upcoming court case on the news and they give the names of the people involved.


  • #106
    222233
    Registered Users Posts: 1,114 ✭✭✭222233


    The fact that this girl would meet a stranger completely blindfolded on numerous occasions would warrant the need for some serious help for this lass in the first place ... why is the attention on the girl who used a strap on ?? I find this whole thing absurd especially on the "victims part.


  • #107
    Notavirus.exe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 832 ✭✭✭Notavirus.exe


    222233 wrote: »
    The fact that this girl would meet a stranger completely blindfolded on numerous occasions would warrant the need for some serious help for this lass in the first place ... why is the attention on the girl who used a strap on ?? I find this whole thing absurd especially on the "victims part.

    I think they're both at fault. It's not ok to pretend to be the opposite sex in order to have sex with said sex.

    The victim should have got 25 years, in a mental asylum. There she can watch TV while blindfolded in peace and also get help with her stupidness.


  • #108
    Kev W
    Registered Users Posts: 2,536 ✭✭✭Kev W


    Notavirus.exe wrote: »
    I think they're both at fault. It's not ok to pretend to be the opposite sex in order to have sex with said sex.

    The victim should have got 25 years, in a mental asylum. There she can watch TV while blindfolded in peace and also get help with her stupidness.

    Seriously, what age are you? Because that post could indicate a lot of different things about you depending on your generation.


  • #109
    Notavirus.exe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 832 ✭✭✭Notavirus.exe


    Kev W wrote: »
    Seriously, what age are you? Because that post could indicate a lot of different things about you depending on your generation.

    So you disagree with my post? You think IT IS OK to dress up as a man and have sex with another woman, without their consent?

    You DON'T think the victim is stupid for agreeing to be blindfolded while watching TV and having sex, among other things?


  • #110
    Kev W
    Registered Users Posts: 2,536 ✭✭✭Kev W


    Notavirus.exe wrote: »
    So you disagree with my post? You think IT IS OK to dress up as a man and have sex with another woman, without their consent?

    You DON'T think the victim is stupid for agreeing to be blindfolded while watching TV and having sex, among other things?

    You may have misread my post. I asked your age.


  • #111
    Old Jakey
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 436 ✭✭Old Jakey


    How stupid do you have to be to have sex with someone you've only talked to online while wearing a blindfold?


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  • #112
    Notavirus.exe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 832 ✭✭✭Notavirus.exe


    Kev W wrote: »
    You may have misread my post. I asked your age.

    I know you did. Whatever age I am, I think that I have every ****ing right to call someone stupid for agreeing to watch TV blindfolded.


  • #113
    Kev W
    Registered Users Posts: 2,536 ✭✭✭Kev W


    Notavirus.exe wrote: »
    I know you did. Whatever age I am, I think that I have every ****ing right to call someone stupid for agreeing to watch TV blindfolded.

    I never said you didn't. I asked your age.


  • #114
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    BattleCorp wrote: »
    She will probably do jail..............that's pretty much what the Judge said.

    I'm still absolutely amazed that the other woman's evidence was found to be credible.

    Jail is bad, but coming out and being on the sex offenders register? They might as well brand her forehead. It's not just jobs that'll keep you out of, theres various sports clubs and the like that vet too.

    Can't understand it as regards the Judge, nor why she wasn't found guilty of the hotel incidents if she was found guilty of the others (and vice versa)


  • #115
    Old Jakey
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 436 ✭✭Old Jakey


    Tbh I don't even know why the woman is going to jail. The 'victim' consented, it's her own fault frankly.


  • #116
    jobbridge4life
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,759 ✭✭✭jobbridge4life


    Old Jakey wrote: »
    Tbh I don't even know why the woman is going to jail. The 'victim' consented, it's her own fault frankly.

    Jakey that is utter bullshizzle and franklyl I can't imagine half those posting about how the victim ought to have known and it was really her fault if the genders involved were reversed.

    Lord preserve us from the violent reactions we'd be reading if it had been a male whose friend tricked him into anal sex by pretending to be a woman. They'd be falling over themselves to call it rape and labelling anyone disagreed SJWs or PC-fascist or some such nonsense. We don't really need to delve into the hypothetical in fact because there are countless examples of violence and even murder perpetrated in such scenarios.


  • #117
    Old Jakey
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 436 ✭✭Old Jakey


    jobbridge4life wrote: »
    Jakey that is utter bullshizzle and franklyl I can't imagine half those posting about how the victim ought to have known and it was really her fault if the genders involved were reversed.

    Lord preserve us from the violent reactions we'd be reading if it had been a male whose friend tricked him into anal sex by pretending to be a woman. They'd be falling over themselves to call it rape and labelling anyone disagreed SJWs or PC-fascist or some such nonsense. We don't really need to delve into the hypothetical in fact because there are countless examples of violence and even murder perpetrated in such scenarios.

    I'd never blame a genuine rape victim but this woman wasn't raped, she consented and maybe should arrested herself for being so fukin dumb in the first place!


  • #118
    crazygeryy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,065 ✭✭✭crazygeryy


    what does a strap on feel like?
    anyone?


  • #119
    Medusa22
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,400 ✭✭✭Medusa22


    crazygeryy wrote: »
    what does a strap on feel like?
    anyone?

    Well, from my experience, without saying too much, I'd know the difference between a strap-on and a penis anyway.


  • #120
    jobbridge4life
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,759 ✭✭✭jobbridge4life


    crazygeryy wrote: »
    what does a strap on feel like?
    anyone?

    Depends on the orifice.


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  • #121
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 40,302 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    crazygeryy wrote: »
    what does a strap on feel like?
    anyone?
    Well apparently some people can't tell the difference!


  • #122
    Kev W
    Registered Users Posts: 2,536 ✭✭✭Kev W


    crazygeryy wrote: »
    what does a strap on feel like?
    anyone?

    Depends. They can make them pretty realistic now with fancy materials.


  • #123
    strandroad
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,676 ✭✭✭strandroad


    jobbridge4life wrote: »
    Why do you think the jury disagreed?

    Apparently the jury had access to FB messages showing "Kye" character in the process of setting up another woman in the same manner.

    But still... To miss a swimsuit? I wonder if the victim might be mentally vulnerable and therefore not able to apply the usual amount of discernment.


  • #124
    BattleCorp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,789 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    Medusa22 wrote: »
    Well, from my experience, without saying too much, I'd know the difference between a strap-on and a penis anyway.

    Maybe she didn't know the difference between a strap-on and a real penis but come on, are we expected to believe that she didn't know the difference between the shape of a woman who she had sex with, had touched, had spent over 100 hours with, had talked to by phone for hundreds of hours, who was actually her best friend etc.?

    Newland lied from the beginning through her facebook posts etc. and I'm not excusing her from that. That was not cool.

    If the victim claimed that she was duped after one single encounter, then I would have no problem believing her account of things. It took her 10 sexual encounters etc. before she realised she was with her best friend, who happened to be a woman. That's not believable in my book.

    This thing reminds me of this joke
    Over the last month I became a victim of a clever scam
    while out shopping. Simply going out to get supplies has turned
    out to be quite traumatic. Don't be naive enough to think it couldn't
    happen to you.
    Here's how the scam works:

    Two seriously good-looking 18 or 19-year-old girls
    come over to your car
    as you are packing your shopping into the trunk. They
    both start wiping your windshield with a rag and Windex, with their
    breasts almost falling out of their skimpy T-shirts. It is impossible
    not to
    look.

    When you thank them and offer them a tip, they say
    "No" and instead ask
    you for a ride to another Home Depot. You agree and
    they get in the back seat. On the way, they start having sex with each
    other.
    Then one of them climbs over into the front seat and
    performs oral sex on you, while the other one steals your wallet.

    I had my wallet stolen October 4th, 9th, 10th, twice
    on the 15th, 17th, 20th, 28th, three times just yesterday, and very
    likely again this upcoming weekend as soon as I can buy some more
    wallets.


  • #125
    Penny Tration
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,687 ✭✭✭✭Penny Tration


    Old Jakey wrote: »
    I'd never blame a genuine rape victim but this woman wasn't raped, she consented and maybe should arrested herself for being so fukin dumb in the first place!

    I'm not denying her stupidity, but she did not consent.

    She consented to sex with a man. She did not consent to sex with a woman.


  • #126
    qo2cj1dsne8y4k
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,646 ✭✭✭✭qo2cj1dsne8y4k


    its her personal responsibility to know who she's having sex with.


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  • #127
    BattleCorp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,789 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    LexieOnRale wrote: »
    its her personal responsibility to know who she's having sex with.

    Don't you know that in this modern age personal responsibility has gone out the window - unfortunately. :(


  • #128
    diomed
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,744 ✭✭✭diomed


    That is a real after hours story.
    You get the same reaction if you throw chopped up meat into a piranha infested river.


  • #129
    NachoBusiness
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,389 ✭✭✭NachoBusiness


    Penny Tration wrote: »
    I'm not denying her stupidity, but she did not consent.

    She consented to sex with a man. She did not consent to sex with a woman.

    Begbie should have sued :P

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAbIL8C2JJ0


  • #130
    whisky_galore
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,517 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    Honestly, I don't know which is more stupid; being taken in by this 'ruse' or going down the legal avenue and broadcasting your complete idiocy to the world.


  • #131
    Wildlife Actor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 488 ✭✭Wildlife Actor


    It's a bit harsh to analyse it by reference to the victim's stupidity.

    OK, it's a highly improbable story from her side and she certainly acted recklessly.

    But the more serious issue is the criminalisation as a rapist (not a con artist or mere liar) of someone who used neither force nor threats to get someone into bed.


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  • #132
    Medusa22
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,400 ✭✭✭Medusa22


    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3315157/Woman-duped-female-friend-sex-pretending-man-using-prosthetic-penis-jailed-8-years.html

    So Gayle Newland was sentenced to eight years in prison, that's quite a long sentence for 'rape by deception'. I suppose the prosecution had evidence that we weren't privy to.


  • #133
    Nomis21
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,409 ✭✭✭Nomis21


    Yes, EIGHT YEARS for pretending to be a man...

    http://www.newstalk.com/Gayle-Newland-sex-prosthetic-penis-jailed-sexual-assault-Cheshire

    The same sentence that was given out in Donegal for the manslaughter of a Garda.


    I know, different jurisdiction, but would that sentence be justified over here...?

    <mod snip> removed unnecessary comment</mod snip>


  • #134
    smash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,809 ✭✭✭✭smash


    Stop copying me!!! http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057490935 :P


  • #135
    jobbridge4life
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,759 ✭✭✭jobbridge4life


    If this was a man who had consented to sex with a what he thought was a woman but turned out to be a pre-op transgender woman would people call it rape? Was it the blindfold that made the difference? What about all those 'I'm not actually a man, I'm woman and actually I'm not actually woman I'm a horse' stories?


  • #136
    Nomis21
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,409 ✭✭✭Nomis21


    It's a new post about the fact that she got EIGHT years for it.

    This takes it from being just a silly prank into ruining someone's life.

    But I guess she'll find plenty of willing participants where she's going...


  • #137
    smash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,809 ✭✭✭✭smash


    Medusa22 wrote: »
    So Gayle Newland was sentenced to eight years in prison, that's quite a long sentence for 'rape by deception'.

    A year per inch of strap-on?

    'rape by deception' just seems alien to me. I get that it's because the consent was mislead, but I still think she should have been charged with a sexual assault. This has to be a one of a kind case?


  • #138
    gordongekko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,301 ✭✭✭gordongekko


    Blade gunner served one year for killing someone........


  • #139
    Medusa22
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,400 ✭✭✭Medusa22


    smash wrote: »
    A year per inch of strap-on?

    'rape by deception' just seems alien to me. I get that it's because the consent was mislead, but I still think she should have been charged with a sexual assault. This has to be a one of a kind case?

    An 8 inch strap on is a bit generous in fairness, well too generous for me anyway :pac:

    I find 'rape by deception' quite an alien concept myself to be honest. I just wonder where you draw the line, what if someone lies to you about their occupation or their marital status or something else along those lines which would mean that if you had known this information you wouldn't have had sex with the person, but does that then give you the right to claim that they raped you through deception? I mean if you consent to sex at the time, and as long as you're not a minor or under the influence, then surely the consent should stand?


  • #140
    Duggy747
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,295 ✭✭✭✭Duggy747


    As odd as this case was, I was not expecting 8 years.


  • #141
    spurious
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 27,264 CMod ✭✭✭✭spurious


    If the other one didn't know she was a woman, I'm a six stone sylph (I'm not).

    I feel so sorry for the woman convicted and sentenced. Almost every gay woman has come across at least one of the 'oh I slept with you but I'm not gay really' ladies, unfortunately this one kept the lie up regardless.

    Apart from the ludicrous charge, the sentence is really excessive.


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  • #142
    looksee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,788 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    How did she watch films with a mask on? The sentence is ridiculous though.


  • #143
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    This story was so crazy I thought it was completely made up. It's insane to think that the woman didn't know she wasn't having sex with another woman. I mean 10 times??

    I get that she consented to having sex with a man, not a woman. But if you consent to having sex with someone you should make it your business to know who the fúck they are and at least look at them before you let them have sex with you. Never mind let them have sex with you 10 times. I find it very very difficult to believe the complainant didn't know. 8 years is insane.


  • #144
    Boom_Bap
    Moderators, Music Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,734 Mod ✭✭✭✭Boom_Bap


    Threadz Merged


  • #145
    TheLastMohican
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,837 ✭✭✭TheLastMohican


    I heard of a Welsh fella that pulled a sheep on a dark and windy night. Pretending to be a ram, told Dolly to close her eyes and think of lush fields of clover, gave her the father and mother of a seeing to, but blew it when putting back on the wellingtons and Dolly saw that he was not cloven hoofed.


  • #146
    Carlos Orange
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,499 ✭✭✭Carlos Orange


    Medusa22 wrote: »
    I find 'rape by deception' quite an alien concept myself to be honest. I just wonder where you draw the line, what if someone lies to you about their occupation or their marital status or something else along those lines which would mean that if you had known this information you wouldn't have had sex with the person, but does that then give you the right to claim that they raped you through deception? I mean if you consent to sex at the time, and as long as you're not a minor or under the influence, then surely the consent should stand?

    I'm not without sympathy for the concept but wonder if it criminalises something that should be immoral and not illegal. There was a story a couple of years ago about and Israeli Arab accused of rape because he had sex with a woman who had assumed he was Jewish.


  • #147
    Medusa22
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,400 ✭✭✭Medusa22


    psinno wrote: »
    I'm not without sympathy for the concept but wonder if it criminalises something that should be immoral and not illegal. There was a story a couple of years ago about and Israeli Arab accused of rape because he had sex with a woman who had assumed he was Jewish.

    I'm inclined to agree with you, it is absolutely immoral and definitely an unpleasant thing to do to someone or to happen to you but I don't think it should be illegal. I heard about that story in Israel on boards before and I also thought that was ludicrous, apparently he didn't even tell her he was Jewish, he just lied about his name (I think it might have been Daniel?) and she assumed that he was Jewish because that is a Jewish name.


  • #148
    TheLastMohican
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,837 ✭✭✭TheLastMohican


    Medusa22 wrote: »
    I'm inclined to agree with you, it is absolutely immoral and definitely an unpleasant thing to do to someone or to happen to you but I don't think it should be illegal. I heard about that story in Israel on boards before and I also thought that was ludicrous, apparently he didn't even tell her he was Jewish, he just lied about his name (I think it might have been Daniel?) and she assumed that he was Jewish because that is a Jewish name.

    O'Donnell! You're secret is out. I'd always suspected that your Mama issues were that way connected. How about a few bars of Va Pensiero?


  • #149
    nokia69
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,050 ✭✭✭nokia69


    Medusa22 wrote: »
    I'm inclined to agree with you, it is absolutely immoral and definitely an unpleasant thing to do to someone or to happen to you but I don't think it should be illegal. I heard about that story in Israel on boards before and I also thought that was ludicrous, apparently he didn't even tell her he was Jewish, he just lied about his name (I think it might have been Daniel?) and she assumed that he was Jewish because that is a Jewish name.

    Yeah I remember that story, he never actually lied to her, he just let her assume he was Jewish, and since his Hebrew was so good, she thought he was jewish

    I think he went to jail for the "crime"


  • #150
    Pixelbastardo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 721 ✭✭✭Pixelbastardo


    osarusan wrote: »
    Actually, it may well be fake.


    That story about the husband suing his wife has been round a while (at least 8 years older than the Examiner article), but doesn't seem to be true.

    The story has been reported in different ways, usually like this:

    http://entertainment.ie/wtf/Chinese-man-divorces-and-sues-wife-over-ugly-children-And-wins/227669.htm

    The photo itself is a Taiwanese ad for a plastic surgery clinic.

    http://en.rocketnews24.com/2012/05/17/thinking-about-plastic-surgery-this-ad-may-make-you-laugh-or-it-could-make-you-think-twice/

    Its fake

    http://www.snopes.com/media/notnews/uglybaby.asp

    Just like this story. Her best friend ? and she cant tell.


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  • #151
    jobbridge4life
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,759 ✭✭✭jobbridge4life


    nokia69 wrote: »
    Yeah I remember that story, he never actually lied to her, he just let her assume he was Jewish, and since his Hebrew was so good, she thought he was jewish

    I think he went to jail for the "crime"

    The case was decidedly more complex than that. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_by_deception

    Go to the section on Israel.


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