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Fake Railwayana Rogues Gallery

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    #122
    Del.Monte
    Registered Users Posts: 12,363 ✭✭✭✭Del.Monte


    Isambard wrote: »
    you'd think an auction house would know of these fakes.


    Not really as railwayana is a very specialist area. I post them here to draw attention to them lest novices to the collecting hobby get caught.

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    #123
    whisky_galore
    Registered Users Posts: 15,747 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    Isambard wrote: »
    you'd think an auction house would know of these fakes.

    A goodly proportion of what appears at common or garden antique auctions here are fake, reproduction and outright junk, and I'd go so far as to say they do know. Let the mug, I mean buyer beware.


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    #124
    Board Walker
    Registered Users Posts: 770 ✭✭✭Board Walker


    I wonder is there anywhere one might pick up an old orange signal? Obviously just the tilting part with the glass, not the entire pole structure....


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    #125
    TheBoyConor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,292 ✭✭✭TheBoyConor


    Whos is making all these reproductions and rip offs anyway? Casting cast iron is a fairly serious industrial process. Where is it taking place? Are there really Irish foundries involved in this or are people sending their orders over to China and India and having the plaques shipped back by the crate?

    Or what is the story with em?


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    #126
    [Deleted User]
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    TheBoyConor wrote: »
    Whos is making all these reproductions and rip offs anyway? Casting cast iron is a fairly serious industrial process. Where is it taking place? Are there really Irish foundries involved in this or are people sending their orders over to China and India and having the plaques shipped back by the crate?

    Or what is the story with em?
    Not really, it is possible to do it in your backyard, one of many youtube videos found on the subject.



    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnN22pMpt4o


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    #127
    TheBoyConor
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    Christ. Would you be bothered with the hassle of that plus painting them for the sake of €25 at a car boot sale?


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    #128
    whisky_galore
    Registered Users Posts: 15,747 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    TheBoyConor wrote: »
    Whos is making all these reproductions and rip offs anyway? Casting cast iron is a fairly serious industrial process. Where is it taking place? Are there really Irish foundries involved in this or are people sending their orders over to China and India and having the plaques shipped back by the crate?

    Or what is the story with em?

    Mao encouraged the Chinese to set up backyard furnaces to help the steel industry. The quality was awful but it can be done.

    Wrt the fake stuff, I guess it's india and China churning them out by the container load. There's heaps upon heaps of fake Guinness, fake automobila and beer related items too. The same ones are turning up here, the UK, US, Australia etc.


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    #129
    Working class heroes
    Registered Users Posts: 3,507 ✭✭✭Working class heroes


    whisky_galore wrote: »
    Mao encouraged the Chinese to set up backyard furnaces to help the steel industry. The quality was awful but it can be done.

    Wrt the fake stuff, I guess it's india and China churning them out by the container load. There's heaps upon heaps of fake Guinness, fake automobila and beer related items too. The same ones are turning up here, the UK, US, Australia etc.

    indeed, it's where we get the phrase "pig iron" from...

    Racism is now hiding behind the cloak of Community activism.



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    #130
    Isambard
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    whisky_galore wrote: »
    Mao encouraged the Chinese to set up backyard furnaces to help the steel industry. The quality was awful but it can be done.

    Wrt the fake stuff, I guess it's india and China churning them out by the container load. There's heaps upon heaps of fake Guinness, fake automobila and beer related items too. The same ones are turning up here, the UK, US, Australia etc.

    yes I'd say they have the same distribution system as the imported cigarettes etc.


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    #131
    Del.Monte
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    Working class heroes wrote: »
    indeed, it's where we get the phrase "pig iron" from...


    The phrase "pig iron" has it origins way before Mao was a twinkle in his Mammy's eye.

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    #132
    Isambard
    Registered Users Posts: 5,796 ✭✭✭Isambard


    "pig iron" relates to casting iron into ingots in sand on the foundry floor with several ingots either side of a central channel resembling a sow and piglets.


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    #133
    Del.Monte
    Registered Users Posts: 12,363 ✭✭✭✭Del.Monte


    Here's one from Adverts today https://www.adverts.ie/memorabilia/1921-railway-tie/22134780 and while not a fake it's an outrageous try on for something that anyone with half a brain could find lying about at their local railway station. Incorrectly described and priced at €350 i.e. about 350 times what it's worth.



    Rail%2BChair.png

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    #134
    Del.Monte
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    Another MGWR fake recently sold at auction. Interesting how the 'damage' on these fakes never affects important parts of the signs. Nice sheen off the enamel too.


    MGWR.jpg

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    #135
    [Deleted User]
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    The lack of damage around the mounting holes should be a red flag to anyone remotely interested in a genuine one.


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    #136
    Hotblack Desiato
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    How much did that go for?

    Life ain't always empty.



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    #137
    Del.Monte
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    Hotblack Desiato wrote: »
    How much did that go for?


    It and another cardboard sign only fetched €30 but that was more due to the auction that it was in - i.e. probably not noticed by railway enthusiasts.

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    #138
    Hotblack Desiato
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    Well hopefully the people who are actually looking for genuine stuff not just something to stick on the wall would spot a fake like that pretty easily.

    Life ain't always empty.



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    #139
    L1011
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    If it's going cheap it'll end up as greebling on the walls of a pub at least and likely not sold again


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    #140
    Losty Dublin
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    Del.Monte wrote: »
    Here's one from Adverts today https://www.adverts.ie/memorabilia/1921-railway-tie/22134780 and while not a fake it's an outrageous try on for something that anyone with half a brain could find lying about at their local railway station. Incorrectly described and priced at €350 i.e. about 350 times what it's worth.



    Rail%2BChair.png

    I've seen similarly mounted fishplates retailing for almost a tenth of the price of this. Even then they'll have some sort of a fundraising purpose for a preservation project or a museum or whatever. It's beyond disgusting to ask this much for something that could literally be picked up off of the ground, as you've correctly stated.


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    #141
    The Continental Op
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    Losty Dublin wrote: »
    I've seen similarly mounted fishplates retailing for almost a tenth of the price of this. Even then they'll have some sort of a fundraising purpose for a preservation project or a museum or whatever. It's beyond disgusting to ask this much for something that could literally be picked up off of the ground, as you've correctly stated.

    I've seen them used a boat anchors and strapped to the back of ploughs to give a bit more weight :D

    Wake me up when it's all over.



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    #142
    Isambard
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    Losty Dublin wrote: »
    I've seen similarly mounted fishplates retailing for almost a tenth of the price of this. Even then they'll have some sort of a fundraising purpose for a preservation project or a museum or whatever. It's beyond disgusting to ask this much for something that could literally be picked up off of the ground, as you've correctly stated.

    it's a rail chair, fishplate is what joins two rails with bolts.


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    #143
    Losty Dublin
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    Isambard wrote: »
    it's a rail chair, fishplate is what joins two rails with bolts.

    No, I was thinking explicitly of plates. Chairs sounds good in theory but when mounted like this they are way too big and heavy when it happens. Oh and still way cheaper than this one :pac:

    I have seen small sections of rail turned into paperweights; even these are pushing it :)


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    #144
    Isambard
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    Losty Dublin wrote: »
    No, I was thinking explicitly of plates. Chairs sounds good in theory but when mounted like this they are way too big and heavy when it happens. Oh and still way cheaper than this one :pac:

    I have seen small sections of rail turned into paperweights; even these are pushing it :)

    that seems pointless to me, the chair has DSER on it which I assumed to be the attraction. I wouldn't expect a fishplate to have that


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    #145
    91wx763
    Registered Users Posts: 522 ✭✭✭91wx763


    Somebody on twitter about to get sucked in..... Someone's tried to put them right by linking to here https://twitter.com/JohnMaryKeane/status/1368125457837813762


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    #146
    whisky_galore
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    91wx763 wrote: »
    Somebody on twitter about to get sucked in..... Someone's tried to put them right by linking to here https://twitter.com/JohnMaryKeane/status/1368125457837813762

    Its history can be traced back to late 20th/ early 21st century Far East.


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    #147
    General Toilet
    Registered Users Posts: 98 ✭✭General Toilet


    Was Francis B Ormsby only on one sign?


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    #148
    seagoebox
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    These are two examples from my collection with Mr Ormsby connections, he was Secretary of the GS&WR from 1880 until 1910


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    #149
    Del.Monte
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    seagoebox wrote: »
    These are two examples from my collection with Mr Ormsby connections, he was Secretary of the GS&WR from 1880 until 1910


    Nice enamel - never saw that one before!

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    #150
    Working class heroes
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    seagoebox wrote: »
    These are two examples from my collection with Mr Ormsby connections, he was Secretary of the GS&WR from 1880 until 1910

    Yep, that enamel is indeed a cracker!

    Racism is now hiding behind the cloak of Community activism.



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    #151
    tabbey
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    Del.Monte wrote: »
    Nice enamel - never saw that one before!

    The enamel sign is a bridge safety notice. Rather than attaching a cast iron sign to the bridge, a lightweight enamel one was easier.
    I have seen a similar sign on a GNR bridge some time ago, possibly Portmarnock, not sure.


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