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    #122
    2time
    Registered Users Posts: 152 ✭✭2time


    we got a 4 acre field that was badly sloughed up from cattle been on it in winter few years back, under glas scheme it cant be ploughed but would it be ideal for linseed planting,????


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    #123
    Water John
    Registered Users Posts: 21,143 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    I think you have to commit the same plot for the 6 years.


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    #124
    limo_100
    Registered Users Posts: 1,307 ✭✭✭limo_100


    Water John wrote: »
    I think you have to commit the same plot for the 6 years.

    yeah you do and its for 5years


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    #125
    Qprmeath
    Registered Users Posts: 907 ✭✭✭Qprmeath


    Is there Glas payments dates set or is it just a make it up as they go along situation?


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    #126
    limo_100
    Registered Users Posts: 1,307 ✭✭✭limo_100


    Qprmeath wrote: »
    Is there Glas payments dates set or is it just a make it up as they go along situation?

    yeah sometime in the next five years I assume


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    #127
    Base price
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    We ran into problems ploughing one of the 2 GLAS areas. Part of the plot (about an acre) is extremely stoney and the plough skidded over the top. I sprayed the area off yesterday and our slurry/baling contractor is going to try his 3m disc harrow across it tomorrow. We were thinking of spreading some smc on it before hand to help bulk up the soil. Do any of ye think that it's a good idea or not?
    Also does anyone know where I could buy wild flower seed, sowing rate and how much per kg. I know it's not part of the GLAS plans but I would like to sow a strip of it around the edges for the bees and insects.


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    #128
    Capercaillie
    Registered Users Posts: 1,732 ✭✭✭Capercaillie


    Base price wrote: »
    We ran into problems ploughing one of the 2 GLAS areas. Part of the plot (about an acre) is extremely stoney and the plough skidded over the top. I sprayed the area off yesterday and our slurry/baling contractor is going to try his 3m disc harrow across it tomorrow. We were thinking of spreading some smc on it before hand to help bulk up the soil. Do any of ye think that it's a good idea or not?
    Also does anyone know where I could buy wild flower seed, sowing rate and how much per kg. I know it's not part of the GLAS plans but I would like to sow a strip of it around the edges for the bees and insects.
    http://www.wildflowers.ie/design-by-nature/about.htm
    I have bought off them before, good quality seed. If you know your P,K lime levels you can get wilflowers seed that match your soil fertilty and will grow best.


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    #129
    ganmo
    Registered Users Posts: 7,748 ✭✭✭ganmo


    Base price wrote: »
    We ran into problems ploughing one of the 2 GLAS areas. Part of the plot (about an acre) is extremely stoney and the plough skidded over the top. I sprayed the area off yesterday and our slurry/baling contractor is going to try his 3m disc harrow across it tomorrow. We were thinking of spreading some smc on it before hand to help bulk up the soil. Do any of ye think that it's a good idea or not?
    Also does anyone know where I could buy wild flower seed, sowing rate and how much per kg. I know it's not part of the GLAS plans but I would like to sow a strip of it around the edges for the bees and insects.

    Why spread it when you're not going to get the benefit from it ? Maybe get it when you're putting it back into grass


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    #130
    Water John
    Registered Users Posts: 21,143 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    You just don't do everything because of a grant.
    Wild flowers is a good idea on the headland, bees etc. Will look nice too.


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    #131
    Base price
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    ganmo wrote: »
    Why spread it when you're not going to get the benefit from it ? Maybe get it when you're putting it back into grass
    TBH I'm the type of person that if I make the effort to do something then I do it to the best of my ability. It would bug the daylights outta me to see a scrawny area in the middle of the rest of the wbc. We get the smc free and can get a few loads delivered tomorrow morning, however I need to persuade OH to land level it as I'm now back in ncd for work tomorrow.


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    #132
    Base price
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    Water John wrote: »
    You just don't do everything because of a grant.
    Wild flowers is a good idea on the headland, bees etc. Will look nice too.
    Great minds think alike :)


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    #133
    mikefoxo
    Registered Users Posts: 458 ✭✭mikefoxo


    Would poppy seeds you buy in the supermarket grow? And what about bags of bird seed? I must have a look at the back of the bag but I'd say there's some wildflower seeds in it


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    #134
    Water John
    Registered Users Posts: 21,143 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Yeah, some very wild plants in birdseed I believe.


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    #135
    Base price
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    Capercaillie wrote: »
    http://www.wildflowers.ie/design-by-nature/about.htm
    I have bought off them before, good quality seed. If you know your P,K lime levels you can get wilflowers seed that match your soil fertilty and will grow best.
    I sent an email to that company today. They reckon that it is getting late to sow flower seeds but should be ok. I was thinking of going for a kg of their Biodiversity Wildflower Meadow Mixture (Special) mix and planting one area that borders a ditch but does not get flooded. The area forms a point and would suit as I could leave it undisturbed when tilling/replanting wbc next year. I also noticed that some of the seed mixes sold are not suitable for animal consumption as we intend to let cattle graze the wbc during the open season.
    I wonder will we be penalised if this small area is planted with flower seed and not planted with wbc?


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    #136
    Capercaillie
    Registered Users Posts: 1,732 ✭✭✭Capercaillie


    Base price wrote: »
    I sent an email to that company today. They reckon that it is getting late to sow flower seeds but should be ok. I was thinking of going for a kg of their Biodiversity Wildflower Meadow Mixture (Special)mix and planting one area that borders a ditch but does not get flooded. The area forms a point and would suit as I could leave it undisturbed when tilling/replanting wbc next year. I also noticed that some of the seed mixes sold are not suitable for animal consumption as we intend to let cattle graze the wbc during the open season.
    I wonder will we be penalised if this small area is planted with flower seed and not planted with wbc?
    Corncockle seeds would be poisonous to cattle/sheep, but only if a beast ate a huge amount of pure seeds. You will only have small amounts in the seed mixture. Corncockle is an annual and will only grow in first year, unless you till the ground next year it will not grow again.
    I have most of those species in my hay meadow and no problem with toxicity.

    You would need to check with farm planner that you are putting in wildflowers in a small patch. That mixture would not provide much edible seed crop (for birds) compared to something like linseed/oats.

    I'm my opinion a mixture of WBC and wildflower mixture would be of greater benefit to a greater range of species than WBC on it's own. I'm not a farm planner though!

    Pic from my hay meadow (July last year).
    t4tgf7.jpg


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    #137
    Base price
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    Capercaillie wrote: »
    Corncockle seeds would be poisonous to cattle/sheep, but only if a beast ate a huge amount of pure seeds. You will only have small amounts in the seed mixture. Corncockle is an annual and will only grow in first year, unless you till the ground next year it will not grow again.
    I have most of those species in my hay meadow and no problem with toxicity.

    You would need to check with farm planner that you are putting in wildflowers in a small patch. That mixture would not provide much edible seed crop (for birds) compared to something like linseed/oats.

    I'm my opinion a mixture of WBC and wildflower mixture would be of greater benefit to a greater range of species than WBC on it's own. I'm not a farm planner!

    Pic from my hay meadow (July last year).
    t4tgf7.jpg
    Thanks for that. I only want to put in the flower mix for the bees and insects, the birds will get enough from the rest of the areas. Our planner covered our basis by including a little more area, about a quarter of an acre so I should be OK if I plant a kg of the flower mix (.16 of an acre).
    Agree with you that a wild flower mix should have been included in the wbc. It appears that DAFM don't know about National Biodiversity Centre.


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    #138
    drive it
    Registered Users Posts: 137 ✭✭drive it


    What are the penalty's of pulling out of Glas , I am only in it since last year it the rented ground that I need to take out


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    #139
    kollegeknight
    Registered Users Posts: 3,238 ✭✭✭kollegeknight


    I am in tranche 2. The only documentation I got was the acceptance letter. Is this normal?


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    #140
    Water John
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    Knight, that is what I have got too, no cheque yet!!


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    #141
    Stan27
    Registered Users Posts: 530 ✭✭✭Stan27


    kollegeknight wrote: »
    I am in tranche 2. The only documentation I got was the acceptance letter. Is this normal?

    Yes. Documents from dafm have not been sent out yet.


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    #142
    Alibaba
    Registered Users Posts: 490 ✭✭Alibaba


    drive it wrote: »
    What are the penalty's of pulling out of Glas , I am only in it since last year it the rented ground that I need to take out

    I'd imagine they'd be looking to claw back any payment you have received except force majuere.


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    #143
    kollegeknight
    Registered Users Posts: 3,238 ✭✭✭kollegeknight


    Stan27 wrote: »
    Yes. Documents from dafm have not been sent out yet.

    So I'm topping fields according to appendix 18 in the online booklet, would I get away with topping whole field until I get the document?


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    #144
    Kovu
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,241 ✭✭✭✭Kovu


    Seeds are sprouted, the linseed is well up, oats are behind. Need rain :eek:
    n6c0uUrl.jpg

    I'm not the best at this scarecrow lark though :pac:

    gXp3ivLl.jpg?1


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    #145
    Muckit
    Registered Users Posts: 11,174 ✭✭✭✭Muckit


    The boyf looks a bit off his head there Kovu :p


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    #146
    Kovu
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,241 ✭✭✭✭Kovu


    Muckit wrote: »
    The boyf looks a bit off his head there Kovu :p

    He'll be fine.....couple of panadol and some plasters and he'll be right as rain.


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    #147
    Capercaillie
    Registered Users Posts: 1,732 ✭✭✭Capercaillie


    Kovu wrote: »
    Seeds are sprouted, the linseed is well up, oats are behind. Need rain :eek:
    n6c0uUrl.jpg

    I'm not the best at this scarecrow lark though :pac:

    gXp3ivLl.jpg?1
    f7wpk.jpg
    My scarecrow on the kale/triticale/mustard


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    #148
    Base price
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    Eventually got both areas sown, harrowed (yesterday) and fertilised and rolled today. I was driving out with the roller from the last area this afternoon when the rain arrived. A neighbour was supposed to broadcast the seed for us but couldn't due to a relatives death and gave us a loan of his wagtail. No problems with the oats but the linseed was difficult. We didn't use a carrier and set the wagtail at the setting that he told us. I could hardly see a blue seed anywhere so we upped the settings. We used 75Kgs in just over 2 hectares :eek:
    Crows & Jackdaws are a problem and we were up this morning with the shotguns. Seems perverse that one is attempting to scare away crows in order for the seed to grow for "wild birds"!!


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    #149
    Birdnuts
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    Base price wrote: »
    :eek:
    Crows & Jackdaws are a problem and we were up this morning with the shotguns. Seems perverse that one is attempting to scare away crows in order for the seed to grow for "wild birds"!!

    I wouldn't worry about it - the aim of wild bird covers is to provide food and cover for species like yellowhammer, partridge etc that have been hit hard by the intensification of farming and associated loss of habitat etc. over the last few decades. Crows on the other hand have thrived in the modern farmed landscape so keeping them away from such areas is no harm at all.


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    #150
    djmc
    Registered Users Posts: 1,611 ✭✭✭djmc


    Birdnuts wrote: »
    I wouldn't worry about it - the aim of wild bird covers is to provide food and cover for species like yellowhammer, partridge etc that have been hit hard by the intensification of farming and associated loss of habitat etc. over the last few decades. Crows on the other hand have thrived in the modern farmed landscape so keeping them away from such areas is no harm at all.

    They do quite well on cattle feed too you don't even have to open the bag for them they can manage that themselves and invite every crow and jackdaw in the parish to the party
    Then they just attack and tear the silage bales in a pure act of vandalism.


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    #151
    Water John
    Registered Users Posts: 21,143 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    djmc, that's sounds like a grudge against crows. Is it only your bales are attacked or have they just got a mean streak against humans in general?


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