False rape accusation...who would you believe?

ittakestwo · 01-02-2019 12:51am

Defunkd wrote: »

Well, i've only started posting in the last few days and there is a person distracting me... and i have a life beyond this site. But have patience, there is more to come.

Would you like to share any thoughts on the cases presented so far? If not, our interaction on this thread is finished.

What is the piont in linking any false rape accusation that you can find on througout the world on this thread. The thead topic is not about that. It is who would you believe or to discuss which is more likely, a true accusation or a false accusation of rape. As somebody already linked a study in Ireland estimated that 10% of rape accusation are false.

So there you go. If you hear a person has made an accusation of rape and knowing nothing else there would be a 90% chance it was true accusation and 10% chance it was a false accusation. Obviously the posters here obsessed with just posting the false accusation storys won't agree with that Irish study as it goes against the agenda they are pushing.

BTW I have no interest in discussing individual cases of rape/false rape accusations of people I don't know.

py2006 · 01-02-2019 3:56pm

The number of people brought to trial and convicted may be low but that does not mean the amount of false accusers out there is the same.

DEFTLEFTHAND · 01-02-2019 6:04pm

A precedent needs to be set.

The next false accuser should be prosecuted under Perverting the course of Justice, Perjury and Wasting Police time.

Only then will we stop hearing these horror stories.

Victimhood has been turned into a currency and it's only natural that wicked people will take advantage of that.

Not only does it destroy the lives of the falsely accused but it is also a grave insult to actual victims of horrific crimes such as Rape.

manonboard · 02-02-2019 8:42am

ittakestwo wrote: »

Men are more likely to be raped than be falsely accused of rape.

https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-men-are-more-likely-to-be-raped-than-be-falsely-accused-of-rape

That article seems quite bias.
The stats for anything that show false allegations are all based on what was court determined. However when it comes to suggesting how many rapes actually happen, it changes its methodology into just asking people.

It then has three paragraphs remind the reader that just because a person was found not guilty, doesn't mean they are innocent, n elaborates more on that about testimony withdrawal.

It never suggests slightly the same leanings towards false allegations. You can't possible compare court proven data for one side and surveys on the other. The data is incomparable n skewed.

Eric Cartman · 03-02-2019 8:03pm

py2006 wrote: »

The number of people brought to trial and convicted may be low but that does not mean the amount of false accusers out there is the same.

+1 , theres many a small town in Ireland where the local gossip will have told everyone 'yer man over there, he raped my mate' A court doesnt need to be involved to sour anything.

You also have to remember that the ones that end up in court have already passed a plausability test for the case to have even been brought. Many women have gone to the gardai only upon investigation for it to have been impossible to have happened and no more is said about it.

Defunkd · 08-02-2019 10:28pm

A case that is still running because of fallout from a false rape allegation. This reads like fiction but what i've learned so far...

Man and woman going out.
Man breaks up with her.
Weeks later she accuses him of rape.
Man provides police with evidence that it was a consensual relationship.
Investigators willfully ignore said evidence.

Trial set but CPS drop case when they become aware of said evidence.
Man presses for a case to be taken against woman for wrongfully accusing him.
Woman accused of perverting the course of justice.
3 days before the hearing she commits suicide.

Later...
Father of woman accuses man of raping his daughter - without naming him - in publications (before this, the DPP sent the father a letter saying that the woman's evidence and actions weren't in harmony and that she was motivated by revenge).
Man sues Father for libel (£1) and to get him to stop saying his daughter was raped.

Two investigators who ignored evidence and proceeded with the case are investigated and the Police are fined £10,000.

In the libel case, Judge accuses man of "vengefulness" saying he shouldn't have been preoccupied with clearing his name by bringing (£1) libel action (and 25% of legal costs) against father of Woman. Says there were other considerations that he should have been mindful of...Judge awards costs in region of £400,000 against man.

If you're still reading and aren't lost, his blog is https://www.accused.blog/?m=1. He has posted some official documents from the case.

His name is Alexander Economou if you want to google for yourself.

daithi7 · 14-02-2019 10:52pm

Jeez, that's an horrific tale of woe.

Talk about being left down by the legal system - Woeful!!

iptba · 08-03-2019 2:56am

The Dún Laoghaire TD said there is “good work” happening in some third-level institutions in relation sexual harassment and violence and that “minimum standards” will be put in place. An expert group, established last October, is due to make recommendations on the issue in the coming weeks.

“We certainly need to do something, it is a reality that there is sexual harassment and violence on our campuses and we have the numbers,” she said.

“For example when I did visit the sexual assault trauma unit here in Dublin, what was reported to me that just under 40 per cent of people presenting at that sexual assault trauma unit were students.”

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/international-women-s-day-becoming-a-chance-to-skive-off-minister-1.3817752

I wonder are we going to end up with something like the kangaroo courts in US colleges where defendants are often at a big disadvantage with not the same rights as in criminal cases.

iptba · 12-03-2019 11:01pm

UCD issues apology after computer science students were sent email asking to help develop sex consent app
https://www.thejournal.ie/ucd-apology-4537893-Mar2019/

iptba · 30-03-2019 2:47am

LIVING IN FANTASY
Fantasist, 27, jailed for 10 years for falsely accusing 15 men of rape and sexual assault loses appeal against conviction
Jemma Beale's string of bogus claims resulted in one of the accused spending seven years behind bars

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/8741509/fantasist-jailed-falsely-accusing-men-rape-appeal/

py2006 · 30-03-2019 1:06pm

She should also have gotten the 7 years her victim got.

...Ghost... · 01-04-2019 11:51am

I wonder if her victims and especially the one who was jailed will receive some sort of compensation for the horrors they endured. I don't for a second believe that a falsely accused person can be properly compensated, because their lives and reputations are forever tarnished.

Even after that horrendous monster was put behind bars for her crime, there are those who will still believe her.

iptba · 01-04-2019 2:51pm

...Ghost... wrote: »

I wonder if her victims and especially the one who was jailed will receive some sort of compensation for the horrors they endured. I don't for a second believe that a falsely accused person can be properly compensated, because their lives and reputations are forever tarnished.

Even after that horrendous monster was put behind bars for her crime, there are those who will still believe her.

I remember a woman from Tallaght, I think her name was Annette Mangan, was temporarily jailed for making false accusations against three Irish men (they may have all been in the military). Anyway she had admitted it but people (well women) were still ringing in to the FM104 phone show saying there is no smoke without fire and it was at least partly their fault.

Aside: I remember the government lobbied successfully to get her out of jail, even though she had only been in a short time (days or weeks). I think it was in Cyprus.

...Ghost... · 01-04-2019 7:51pm

iptba wrote: »

I remember a woman from Tallaght, I think her name was Annette Mangan, was temporarily jailed for making false accusations against three Irish men (they may have all been in the military). Anyway she had admitted it but people (well women) were still ringing in to the FM104 phone show saying there is no smoke without fire and it was at least partly their fault.

The "go to" line for those who have no understanding of truth, or facts.

Aside: I remember the government lobbied successfully to get her out of jail, even though she had only been in a short time (days or weeks). I think it was in Cyprus.

Wanted revenge because she alleged one man took a nude picture of her when sleeping. Result= She claims 3 men raped her. Disgusting.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/irish-woman-jailed-in-cyprus-for-false-rape-complaint-1.95303

Marcos · 29-04-2019 5:37pm

Britsh police are now asking rape victims to hand over their mobile phones for inspection or risk not having prosecutions against their (alleged) attackers go ahead. This seems to be a reaction to the false accusations against many men, notably Liam Allan who was falsely accused and named as a rapist suspect until his trial two years later which immediately collapsed as previously withheld evidence came to light.

It's hard to imagine this kind of thing happening when Alison Saunders was Director of Public Prosecutions given her approach to increase convictions for rape no matter what the cost.

...Ghost... · 01-05-2019 4:59pm

Marcos wrote: »

Britsh police are now asking rape victims to hand over their mobile phones for inspection or risk not having prosecutions against their (alleged) attackers go ahead. This seems to be a reaction to the false accusations against many men, notably Liam Allan who was falsely accused and named as a rapist suspect until his trial two years later which immediately collapsed as previously withheld evidence came to light.

It's hard to imagine this kind of thing happening when Alison Saunders was Director of Public Prosecutions given her approach to increase convictions for rape no matter what the cost.

I would have thought it was standard protocol to inspect the phone/computer of someone making such an accusation. It could prove, or disprove their allegation in many cases. Phones belonging to accused persons are confiscated, so the same should happen to the alleged victim, unless of course the accused is presumed guilty. Let the evidence speak for itself, as crocodile tears are dangerous currency.

iptba · 11-05-2019 2:54am

When a Bankstown father went to help a young woman in need, he never envisaged his act of kindness would turn his life into a nightmare.

But that's what happened to 36-year-old Kenan Basic.

He had been accused of indecently assaulting and stalking a 19-year-old woman he had helped after her car broke down at a BP service station in Sydney's west in late 2018.

7NEWS has also been told Basic, who spent two weeks in jail, will pursue costs and compensation and will be back in court in July.
Basic also admitted he probably won't stop to help another woman again, and that the matter had "destroyed" his marriage.

https://7news.com.au/news/court-justice/good-samaritan-vindicated-after-indecent-assault-charges-thrown-out-in-court-c-96406

joeguevara · 11-05-2019 3:04am

...Ghost... wrote: »

I would have thought it was standard protocol to inspect the phone/computer of someone making such an accusation. It could prove, or disprove their allegation in many cases. Phones belonging to accused persons are confiscated, so the same should happen to the alleged victim, unless of course the accused is presumed guilty. Let the evidence speak for itself, as crocodile tears are dangerous currency.

How could it prove or disprove. Couple of examples.

Girl with guy. Has consensual sex. She regrets it. Texts next day ‘how could you force yourself on me’

Girl with guy. He rapes her. Texts her that was special.

Texts same as tears can be fake. Will not prove or disprove in ‘many cases’ as you say.

I completely understand what you are saying and agree to a good extent but it’s not black and white like your post suggests. I also think if texts become probitive evidence (and known to be) in court then they could be used by people to portray a falsehood.

joeguevara · 11-05-2019 3:04am

...Ghost... wrote: »

I would have thought it was standard protocol to inspect the phone/computer of someone making such an accusation. It could prove, or disprove their allegation in many cases. Phones belonging to accused persons are confiscated, so the same should happen to the alleged victim, unless of course the accused is presumed guilty. Let the evidence speak for itself, as crocodile tears are dangerous currency.

How could it prove or disprove. Couple of examples.

Girl with guy. Has consensual sex. She regrets it. Texts next day ‘how could you force yourself on me’

Girl with guy. He rapes her. Texts her that was special.

Texts same as tears can be fake. Will not prove or disprove in ‘many cases’ as you say.

I completely understand what you are saying and agree to a good extent but it’s not black and white like your post suggests. I also think if texts become probitive evidence (and known to be) in court then they could be used by people to portray a falsehood.

...Ghost... · 14-05-2019 1:04pm

joeguevara wrote: »

How could it prove or disprove. Couple of examples.

Girl with guy. Has consensual sex. She regrets it. Texts next day ‘how could you force yourself on me’

Girl with guy. He rapes her. Texts her that was special.

SNIP

1) Girl with guy has consensual sex. Girls texts guy for more consensual sex. Guy not interested. Girl sends more texts for sex and sexy images over a number of days. Girl gets angry that guy is not interested and cries rape.

2) Girl with guy has consensual sex. They text eachother for a couple of days after with texts that show they had a good time and will meet again. Girls sister/friend/parent finds out about sex and have something against the guy. Convince girl she was used and that it was actually rape.

3) Girl with guy in the bar later have consensual sex. Had been texting days before as they met on tinder. Text conversations show they both planned to have sex. Another Guy the Girl is interested in has heard she slept with a guy on first date. Girl cries rape to avoid looking like a slut.

I think you can agree that the 3 (off the top of my head) examples above are not outside the norm when it comes to consensual sex, possessiveness, begrudgery and shame. The complainants phone could go a long way to proving consent and motive, especially if the guy had the texts/history on his phone/device and the girl had specifically deleted the content relating to the consent. In such cases, it should be used to charge the complainant where it is proven the allegations are malicious.

joeguevara · 20-05-2019 1:22pm

...Ghost... wrote: »

1) Girl with guy has consensual sex. Girls texts guy for more consensual sex. Guy not interested. Girl sends more texts for sex and sexy images over a number of days. Girl gets angry that guy is not interested and cries rape.

2) Girl with guy has consensual sex. They text eachother for a couple of days after with texts that show they had a good time and will meet again. Girls sister/friend/parent finds out about sex and have something against the guy. Convince girl she was used and that it was actually rape.

3) Girl with guy in the bar later have consensual sex. Had been texting days before as they met on tinder. Text conversations show they both planned to have sex. Another Guy the Girl is interested in has heard she slept with a guy on first date. Girl cries rape to avoid looking like a slut.

I think you can agree that the 3 (off the top of my head) examples above are not outside the norm when it comes to consensual sex, possessiveness, begrudgery and shame. The complainants phone could go a long way to proving consent and motive, especially if the guy had the texts/history on his phone/device and the girl had specifically deleted the content relating to the consent. In such cases, it should be used to charge the complainant where it is proven the allegations are malicious.

I get your argument but it is too easy to manipulate and the danger of false texts being offered as probitive evidence. Mobile phone evidence in the scenario outlined has too many potential flaws in my opinion.

...Ghost... · 25-05-2019 11:57am

joeguevara wrote: »

I get your argument but it is too easy to manipulate and the danger of false texts being offered as probitive evidence. Mobile phone evidence in the scenario outlined has too many potential flaws in my opinion.

It's already used as evidence and in most cases where it is used, it vindicates a falsely accused man and helps some way to limit the damage caused by a malicious accusation. There is a big difference between a text from a guy to a girl saying he had a wonderful time and full blown conversations between the two.

Kimsang · 01-06-2019 4:19am

joeguevara wrote: »

I get your argument but it is too easy to manipulate and the danger of false texts being offered as prohibitive evidence. Mobile phone evidence in the scenario outlined has too many potential flaws in my opinion.

It's just that common sense must be applied and taken with a pinch of salt. If there is a common thread of conversation in text
i.e.
Man: last night as special
Woman: yeah same for me
Rape accusation follows, clearly is NOT true

instead of
Man: last night was special
woman: (no response)
Rape accusation follows, should not taken as evidence of anything

The more nonsensical feminist argument being made is that it is an 'invasion of privacy' and 'just as violating as the rape itself'

Ilovemycharlie · 01-06-2019 4:45am

Believe the man always.

iptba · 13-06-2019 6:38pm

I wasn't sure which thread to post this in.

https://twitter.com/BBCNewsNI/status/1139213779403706370

It seems some people want to deny Paddy Jackson a livelihood. He was acquitted of the crime.
I didn't follow the trial much, but didn't get the impression his behaviour was exemplary. At the same time, it seems to be a worrying precedent if people acquitted from crimes might no longer be able to work.

py2006 · 13-06-2019 7:39pm

Feminists had him guilty before the trial and indeed after.

The guy was deemed innocent and deserves to live his life.

is_that_so · 13-06-2019 7:46pm

iptba wrote: »

I wasn't sure which thread to post this in.

https://twitter.com/BBCNewsNI/status/1139213779403706370

It seems some people want to deny Paddy Jackson a livelihood. He was acquitted of the crime.
I didn't follow the trial much, but didn't get the impression his behaviour was exemplary. At the same time, it seems to be a worrying precedent if people acquitted from crimes might no longer be able to work.

They can. There was a football player, Ched Evans, who was found guilty, imprisoned, released, then was found not guilty in a retrial. He's still playing. Jackson's problem is his other stuff around it, the very public nature of the trial and the nature of what occurred.

iptba · 14-06-2019 12:44am

iptba wrote: »

I wasn't sure which thread to post this in.

https://twitter.com/BBCNewsNI/status/1139213779403706370

It seems some people want to deny Paddy Jackson a livelihood. He was acquitted of the crime.
I didn't follow the trial much, but didn't get the impression his behaviour was exemplary. At the same time, it seems to be a worrying precedent if people acquitted from crimes might no longer be able to work.

I see some people on Twitter saying they're going to boycott Diageo because of this.

Kimsang · 14-06-2019 6:52pm

He's gone from being a rapist to someone that 'disrespects women'. Same crime though, true story.

What business do 'Rape Crisis Centre' have in saying of an innocent person;
"Ms Blackwell said: "Lack of respect for women was shown in the WhatsApp group and the fact a girl left his house in a state of distress"

py2006 · 14-06-2019 7:12pm

I said it before and I will say it again, women have and will always have the power to completely and utterly destroy a man's life with a simple allegation. Knowing full well they won't be held accountable.

Kimsang · 14-06-2019 7:30pm

Unless of course you are Keanu Reeves,

so-youre-telling-me-l-can-dodge-lawsuits-no-neo-30128893.png

Reeves is being hailed as a 'Respectful King' by CNN

Also interesting this Korean MMA artist's take on the Mike Pence rule;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEeDYHtz5fs
Because of this 'sexual harassment incident': https://streamable.com/3xh3l

Lean-In Canada finds that 60% of men in the workforce(up from 46% year previous) are reluctant or unwilling to have a closed door, private meeting with their female colleagues.
In the age where a man can be vaporized out of his life, by a pointed finger or a whispered accusation, why does this surprise feminists?
Feminists are calling this a 'me too backlash' but, is it not just good normal people protecting themselves?

Don't worry though- feminists have the answer. Make it illegal for men to follow the Mike Pence Rule.

silverharp · 14-06-2019 8:08pm

in a way Reeves is being very weak here, he isnt being respectful , just terrified of strange women. he would be better off just standing there and folding his arms

Kimsang · 14-06-2019 8:42pm

silverharp wrote: »

in a way Reeves is being very weak here, he isnt being respectful , just terrified of strange women. he would be better off just standing there and folding his arms

Maybe he's terrified of losing everything he has worked so hard to for, by a pointed finger or whispered accusation.

Its interesting how split feminists seem to be on this issue,some of them calling him a 'respectful king' while the rest are calling him weak and sexist.

silverharp · 14-06-2019 8:54pm

Kimsang wrote: »

Maybe he's terrified of losing everything he has worked so hard to for, by a pointed finger or whispered accusation.

Its interesting how split feminists seem to be on this issue,some of them calling him a 'respectful king' while the rest are calling him weak and sexist.

he should be defensive, its just a weak way of doing it, he is pretending to be approachable when in fact he is the opposite

iptba · 14-06-2019 10:15pm

I saw Maura trending on Twitter. Nice to see critical comments like the following:

https://twitter.com/lookingforlewys/status/1139639293402632194
https://twitter.com/quidditchgirl89/status/1139639491424116737
https://twitter.com/YasmineKathleen/status/1139639825068249088
https://twitter.com/CrathorneChloe/status/1139639494234333184

I've never seen this programme myself.

Kimsang · 14-06-2019 10:30pm

iptba wrote: »

I've never seen this programme myself.

Same boat here, but your post sparked my interest. Seems this is the scene they are referring to

I guess as a game-show where the object is to hook up, the rules of engagement are somewhat different from normal, but in saying that I'd agree the whole of UK would call this guy a 'low-key sexual predator' if the genders were reversed.

Wibbs · 15-06-2019 8:58am

silverharp wrote: »

in a way Reeves is being very weak here, he isnt being respectful , just terrified of strange women. he would be better off just standing there and folding his arms

I wouldn't call him "weak" at all. I'd say he's a man who has adapted to the environment. He's been well known in the industry for not being a gobsh1te around women and when he first broke as a star the temptation must have been enormous.

Standing there folding his arms would look try hard, too self conscious, "weak" actually. Unlike the timid types who do the hovering hands, a very large proportion of women would only love to get into a clinch with him. That he flips that around is anything but weak.

Plus he's nearly a meme of the "genuinely nice man, who's also only gorgeous" so he would have an even bigger target on his head for some crazy bint.

As I've noted before look how different men in different industries get the beady eye on them. Hollywood types are major targets, ditto for big business sports and political types. Yet save for rappers(which is mostly a race thing in the US), rock star types are generally left alone. Indeed the more depraved their rep, the less likely they are to have a #metoo moment against them. They're often celebrated for their whoring. QV the Rolling Stones, Motley Crue and so on. Hell David Bowie had sex with underage girls and his rep is still intact. Jimmy Page ditto. And that list is long. Again Black guys like Chuck Berry and Marvin Gaye caught flak for it.

It seems what really triggers this stuff and to a large extent understandably so is the level of hypocrisy going on. Hollywood loudly proclaims itself as squeaky clean and "liberal", so finding out some star is a bit of a creep gets the attention. Some grubby heavy rock outfit that openly declare themselves as whoremasters and hedonists, that's at least "honest". No hypocrisy.

Reviews and Books Galore · 15-06-2019 3:06pm

"He's gone from being a rapist to someone that 'disrespects women'. Same crime though, true story."

I feel like that narratives has been pushed since the late 90s. As in the tie in between negative male behaviour and one of the worst crimes a man commit.

And, to link it into false accusations, I feel like the words mysignist/creep/ sexist are micro- false accusations. Although, in the current climate, maybe not even micro.

Its interesting to think how often micro false accusations are used to win a pointless argument online :P

@Wibbs

You know, I think there's a few reasons for the rolling stone phenomenon.

1) They have female fans who will defend them.

2) I think women have a bit of a maddona whore thing going on in the same way men do. They're not husband material, so they're whore behaviour isn't actually negative.

3) They're not manipulative or mannish. Theyre attractiveness is actually quite feminine and not actually threatening.

@Psy2006

I feel like false accusers are very similar to rapists in the fact that they are predators, and predators only attack people who they think they can.

Excuse the incoherent reply, but I've glugged too much coffee. :P

Kimsang · 15-06-2019 5:04pm

Reviews and Books Galore wrote: »

"He's gone from being a rapist to someone that 'disrespects women'. Same crime though, true story."

I feel like that narratives has been pushed since the late 90s. As in the tie in between negative male behaviour and one of the worst crimes a man commit.

And, to link it into false accusations, I feel like the words mysignist/creep/ sexist are micro- false accusations. Although, in the current climate, maybe not even micro.

I believe the part that you left out of my quote is what 'proves' my point. It was Noeline Blackwell from the Dublin Rape Crisis centre who said:

Lack of respect for women was shown in the WhatsApp group and the fact a girl left his house in a state of distress

Might I add the context that she said this after he was cleared of the rape charges, to support the fact that his sponsor was removed.

So there is a clear link between a false accusation, ruining a person's life and then being called by a rape crisis centre 'disrespectful to women'.

THE DUBLIN RAPE CRISIS CENTRE (DRCC) say that Paddy Jackson’s attitude towards women hasn’t changed

Noeline Blackwell, CEO of the DRCC said that Diageo’s decision was brought about by what emerged from Jackson’s trial.

Remember the reason for his trial was to see if he was a rapist, not to see if he was disrespectful towards women.

Rape Crisis Ireland has absolutely no business in making such a statement.

Blackwell: A lack of remorse or any indication that attitudes have changed. They’re not the attitudes of Diageo. They are not the values of an awful lot of people here.”

So to summarize, it is Rape Crisis Ireland who's narrative has changed from. It is their narrative I am critiquing.

</edit> Larissa Nolan of the Sunday Times gives a good quick speech about it here in which she points out that 'they've decided they don't want the mobs brought upon their heads; sanctimonious and hypocritical, companies being weak to a vocal minority'

iptba · 16-06-2019 1:22am

Lots of people in society are role models. Should people be fired from such jobs where they are role models and be unable to get new employment if they have disrespected an individual of the opposite sex or made some other comments some people are unhappy with. Lots of feminists, for example, show bias. For example, this academic from another thread completely ignored male victims in a (media) piece complaining about how the media discuss domestic violence:

https://www.rte.ie/brainstorm/2019/0610/1054532-the-issues-with-how-the-irish-media-represent-domestic-violence/

Should she lose her job and should any potential employer be hounded if they try to employer? It would dramatically change how we do things.

Kimsang · 16-06-2019 2:14am

iptba wrote: »

Lots of people in society are role models. Should people be fired from such jobs where they are role models and be unable to get new employment if they have disrespected an individual of the opposite sex or made some other comments some people are unhappy with. Lots of feminists, for example, show bias. For example, this academic from another thread completely ignored male victims in a (media) piece complaining about how the media discuss domestic violence:

https://www.rte.ie/brainstorm/2019/0610/1054532-the-issues-with-how-the-irish-media-represent-domestic-violence/

Should she lose her job and should any potential employer be hounded if they try to employer? It would dramatically change how we do things.

I don't blame her, she can have whatever opinion she likes. I do blame RTE for allowing this tripe to be published or employing her in the first place. Maybe she got in through all-women shortlists.

Her evidence?

eight stages a relationship goes through before it ends in the murder of a woman.

This media[sic] coverage fails to present violence against women as a public problem

.

Her article certainly does.
Its funny that to prove her point would merely require her to illuminate all these stories that are being suppressed by the media. Her argument also flies in the face of the power people(women) have on social media in this day and age.

The 'study' she cited is even more hilarious. Even the title suggest more activism than actual scholarship.

Changing Coverage of
Domestic Violence
Murders
A Longitudinal Experiment
in Participatory Communication

Their argument in summary:
Media focus on the sensational
Domestic violence against women is not sensational

It only took 6 pages of narrative before they move onto

Recommendations for change

To which they devote the rest of the 20 page study.

iptba · 19-06-2019 7:11pm

Kimsang wrote: »

Unless of course you are Keanu Reeves,

Reeves is being hailed as a 'Respectful King' by CNN

Also interesting this Korean MMA artist's take on the Mike Pence rule;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEeDYHtz5fs
Because of this 'sexual harassment incident': https://streamable.com/3xh3l

Lean-In Canada finds that 60% of men in the workforce(up from 46% year previous) are reluctant or unwilling to have a closed door, private meeting with their female colleagues.
In the age where a man can be vaporized out of his life, by a pointed finger or a whispered accusation, why does this surprise feminists?
Feminists are calling this a 'me too backlash' but, is it not just good normal people protecting themselves?

Don't worry though- feminists have the answer. Make it illegal for men to follow the Mike Pence Rule.

Irish Times article for what it is worth:

Keanu Reeves – do his ‘hover hands’ mean he respects women?

Recent photograph of actor with a fan has prompted mixed opinions

https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/people/keanu-reeves-do-his-hover-hands-mean-he-respects-women-1.3923387

Other people’s intent can be difficult – if not impossible – to determine, but I can promise here and now that I did not intend to inappropriately touch a woman on the train, and certainly did not do so out of a lack of respect for her autonomy or personal space. These things can happen on overcrowded public transport, but the rules are unquestionably different for men. For a variety of very understandable reasons, women are less willing to give men the benefit of the doubt.

iptba · 20-06-2019 2:54pm

A garda liaison officer who was arrested over the weekend in connection with an historic child sexual abuse complaint has been found dead.

The garda was arrested by Gsoc last Saturday. He took his life earlier this week.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/garda-takes-his-own-life-after-child-abuse-probe-931794.html

I have no idea about the facts of this case but it seems sometimes arrests are not justified and this can lead to problems

It is the latest in a series of controversial arrests or investigations of gardaí.

In 2015, a garda sergeant who was under investigation by Gsoc took his own life unaware that he was due to be cleared of any wrongdoing. Sergeant Michael Galvin and two colleagues were being investigated about interactions with a woman soon before she died in a road traffic accident. Gsoc interviewed the sergeant and a decision was made not to prosecute, but he died before the decision was conveyed.

Hector Savage · 25-06-2019 8:48am

In this current age of madness - the man , always.

edit just to add that of course I take context into account, but after so much bs in the media lately, I will assume it's another "boy who cried wolf" scenario..

...Ghost... · 26-06-2019 6:55pm

iptba wrote: »

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/garda-takes-his-own-life-after-child-abuse-probe-931794.html

I have no idea about the facts of this case but it seems sometimes arrests are not justified and this can lead to problems

The clearing of his name may not have meant much to him. The damage had already been done. Some stains you can't erase. Some aren't strong enough to go on in the knowledge that they know the truth and that they are innocent. What others may think of them is what can drive them to suicide. Many innocent men have taken their lives before and after the clearing of their names.

Kimsang · 26-06-2019 11:46pm

iptba wrote: »

Irish Times article for what it is worth:

https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/people/keanu-reeves-do-his-hover-hands-mean-he-respects-women-1.3923387

The author must have read my boards post

:rolleyes:

...Ghost... · 27-06-2019 11:14am

I remember years ago I was driving home from work with my colleague. We had stopped for chinese food where my GF worked. We started to drive off and spotted a woman in her early 20s in a very drunken state. She was on the ground, propped up against a garden wall and was not in what I would describe as a safe area.

We approached her she was conscious and able to talk. I asked where she lived and she told us (was only 5 mins away). So we picked her up, put her in the car and drove her to her house and watched her stumble to and open the door. It felt good to be so helpful and take her out of a potentially very dangerous situation.

If I came across a similar situation today, I would keep driving. The risk of being accused of something sinister is too high. The proof is that when I relayed the story years ago, I was told that it was a very nice thing to do. In recent years, I am told it's a stupid thing I did...that "anything could have happened".

Women are not helping themselves anymore. Men don't want to be alone with them, hire them, or be themselves around them. Every word, every action has to be carefully thought out, or you risk your job, your family, your freedom. Decent women don't want any part of this and I am sure they often feel stuck in the middle, or unfairly tainted by this nonsense.

Well done feminists!

#femsruineverything

iptba · 26-07-2019 9:20pm

Carl Beech: 'VIP abuse' accuser jailed for 18 years
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-49130670

Not a simple false sexual abuse case, but still a very severe sentence. Though he is male, which could conceivably have led to a more severe sentence.

...Ghost... · 26-07-2019 10:26pm

iptba wrote: »

Not a simple false sexual abuse case, but still a very severe sentence. Though he is male, which could conceivably have led to a more severe sentence.

The sentence is not harsh enough imo. All those lives destroyed by a malicious scumbag paedophile. Jail is too good for him. The only shame here is that women would not get anywhere near that much time served on them for the very same crimes.

iptba · 27-07-2019 9:07pm

Christie Blatchford: Unlike Canada, U.K. has learned sex assault 'victims' aren't always victims
In Canada, meantime, the pendulum continues to swing the other way. Despite a huge pushback in the legal community, Bill C-51 is almost but not quite law

Hooray for Cressida Dick, the commissioner of the Metropolitan Police in London, who has formally led her force in abandoning its policy of automatically believing victims of sexual assault.

As The Times of London reported Monday, since taking over the Met about a year ago, Dick has told her officers that of course they are to keep an open mind, treat complainants with respect and dignity and “we should listen to them. We should record what they say.”

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/christie-blatchford-unlike-canada-u-k-has-learned-sex-assault-victims-arent-always-victims

False rape accusation...who would you believe?

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