...Ghost... wrote: » I wonder if her victims and especially the one who was jailed will receive some sort of compensation for the horrors they endured. I don't for a second believe that a falsely accused person can be properly compensated, because their lives and reputations are forever tarnished. Even after that horrendous monster was put behind bars for her crime, there are those who will still believe her.
iptba wrote: » I remember a woman from Tallaght, I think her name was Annette Mangan, was temporarily jailed for making false accusations against three Irish men (they may have all been in the military). Anyway she had admitted it but people (well women) were still ringing in to the FM104 phone show saying there is no smoke without fire and it was at least partly their fault.
Aside: I remember the government lobbied successfully to get her out of jail, even though she had only been in a short time (days or weeks). I think it was in Cyprus.
Marcos wrote: » Britsh police are now asking rape victims to hand over their mobile phones for inspection or risk not having prosecutions against their (alleged) attackers go ahead. This seems to be a reaction to the false accusations against many men, notably Liam Allan who was falsely accused and named as a rapist suspect until his trial two years later which immediately collapsed as previously withheld evidence came to light. It's hard to imagine this kind of thing happening when Alison Saunders was Director of Public Prosecutions given her approach to increase convictions for rape no matter what the cost.
When a Bankstown father went to help a young woman in need, he never envisaged his act of kindness would turn his life into a nightmare. But that's what happened to 36-year-old Kenan Basic. He had been accused of indecently assaulting and stalking a 19-year-old woman he had helped after her car broke down at a BP service station in Sydney's west in late 2018.
7NEWS has also been told Basic, who spent two weeks in jail, will pursue costs and compensation and will be back in court in July. Basic also admitted he probably won't stop to help another woman again, and that the matter had "destroyed" his marriage.
...Ghost... wrote: » I would have thought it was standard protocol to inspect the phone/computer of someone making such an accusation. It could prove, or disprove their allegation in many cases. Phones belonging to accused persons are confiscated, so the same should happen to the alleged victim, unless of course the accused is presumed guilty. Let the evidence speak for itself, as crocodile tears are dangerous currency.
joeguevara wrote: » How could it prove or disprove. Couple of examples. Girl with guy. Has consensual sex. She regrets it. Texts next day ‘how could you force yourself on me’ Girl with guy. He rapes her. Texts her that was special. SNIP
...Ghost... wrote: » 1) Girl with guy has consensual sex. Girls texts guy for more consensual sex. Guy not interested. Girl sends more texts for sex and sexy images over a number of days. Girl gets angry that guy is not interested and cries rape. 2) Girl with guy has consensual sex. They text eachother for a couple of days after with texts that show they had a good time and will meet again. Girls sister/friend/parent finds out about sex and have something against the guy. Convince girl she was used and that it was actually rape. 3) Girl with guy in the bar later have consensual sex. Had been texting days before as they met on tinder. Text conversations show they both planned to have sex. Another Guy the Girl is interested in has heard she slept with a guy on first date. Girl cries rape to avoid looking like a slut. I think you can agree that the 3 (off the top of my head) examples above are not outside the norm when it comes to consensual sex, possessiveness, begrudgery and shame. The complainants phone could go a long way to proving consent and motive, especially if the guy had the texts/history on his phone/device and the girl had specifically deleted the content relating to the consent. In such cases, it should be used to charge the complainant where it is proven the allegations are malicious.
joeguevara wrote: » I get your argument but it is too easy to manipulate and the danger of false texts being offered as probitive evidence. Mobile phone evidence in the scenario outlined has too many potential flaws in my opinion.
joeguevara wrote: » I get your argument but it is too easy to manipulate and the danger of false texts being offered as prohibitive evidence. Mobile phone evidence in the scenario outlined has too many potential flaws in my opinion.
iptba wrote: » I wasn't sure which thread to post this in.https://twitter.com/BBCNewsNI/status/1139213779403706370 It seems some people want to deny Paddy Jackson a livelihood. He was acquitted of the crime. I didn't follow the trial much, but didn't get the impression his behaviour was exemplary. At the same time, it seems to be a worrying precedent if people acquitted from crimes might no longer be able to work.
silverharp wrote: » in a way Reeves is being very weak here, he isnt being respectful , just terrified of strange women. he would be better off just standing there and folding his arms
Kimsang wrote: » Maybe he's terrified of losing everything he has worked so hard to for, by a pointed finger or whispered accusation. Its interesting how split feminists seem to be on this issue,some of them calling him a 'respectful king' while the rest are calling him weak and sexist.
iptba wrote: » I've never seen this programme myself.
Reviews and Books Galore wrote: » "He's gone from being a rapist to someone that 'disrespects women'. Same crime though, true story." I feel like that narratives has been pushed since the late 90s. As in the tie in between negative male behaviour and one of the worst crimes a man commit. And, to link it into false accusations, I feel like the words mysignist/creep/ sexist are micro- false accusations. Although, in the current climate, maybe not even micro.
Lack of respect for women was shown in the WhatsApp group and the fact a girl left his house in a state of distress
Noeline Blackwell, CEO of the DRCC said that Diageo’s decision was brought about by what emerged from Jackson’s trial.
Blackwell: A lack of remorse or any indication that attitudes have changed. They’re not the attitudes of Diageo. They are not the values of an awful lot of people here.”
