Donald Trump Presidency discussion Thread VIII (threadbanned users listed in OP)

FrostyJack · 09-08-2020 6:55pm

EltonJohn69 wrote: »

Where is Pence ? Was he getting too popular with the Corona Briefings ?

In an interview a day or so ago, Trump was asked about Pence and he said he was flying somewhere faraway (paraphrasing) and when he lands he will answer the questions. It isn't the first time he has said something similar, reminds me a gangster film where they say someone is sleeping with the fishes. How very weird for someone not to know what country, he literally doesn't listen to anything unless it is about him directly.

Itssoeasy · 09-08-2020 10:03pm

I retract my last post about the trump administration going off the wall. According to the New York Times the White House contacted the governor of South Dakota about having president trump added to the Mount Rushmore. I mean while the four presidents up there aren't without fault at least Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln, and Roosevelt did something to warrant being up there.

looksee · 09-08-2020 10:12pm

Its a wonder it didn't occur to him to have his face projected - light-show fashion - up there when he had his rally. 'People begged me, Mr President sir*, you should be up there with the greats! Its never been done before, it would be tremendous!'

*He always says people address him as sir when he is lying.

Water John · 09-08-2020 10:16pm

He should head out strait away to Sturgis and he could hold a massive rally.

09-08-2020 10:25pm

Great piece in Rolling Stone magazine about the potential consequence of their handling of the Coronavirus. Basically the US has become a tragedy and is unlikely to ever fully recover from it and any form of social good has been forgotten.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/political-commentary/covid-19-end-of-american-era-wade-davis-1038206/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

Itssoeasy · 09-08-2020 10:27pm

Overheal wrote: »

But of a dog whistle to evangelicals to stop questioning them.

Yeah but dog whistles are meant to be discreet.

Water John · 09-08-2020 10:31pm

The words Trump and subtle don't go well together.

looksee · 09-08-2020 10:58pm

Heavens that's a no messing piece on Rolling Stone! It seems to be largely comprised of opinions based on facts and figures. Is it as accurate as it appears to be?

Tell me how · 10-08-2020 2:44am

My word but that Rolling Stone Article is something else.
Hard to argue with it. I commented to people here that it was some mess at how there was no capacity to provide masks, probably the simplest piece of PPE there is for so long after a Pandemic which had been forewarned hit.

'Since 1970, China hasn't gone to war once, America has not been at peace for a day!' Some statement.

duploelabs · 10-08-2020 7:42am

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Yeah but dog whistles are meant to be discreet.

Discreet?? Remember whom the title of this thread is about

duploelabs · 10-08-2020 7:42am

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Yeah but dog whistles are meant to be discreet.

Discreet?? Remember whom the title of this thread is about

Quin_Dub · 10-08-2020 8:18am

Deleted User wrote: »

Great piece in Rolling Stone magazine about the potential consequence of their handling of the Coronavirus. Basically the US has become a tragedy and is unlikely to ever fully recover from it and any form of social good has been forgotten.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/political-commentary/covid-19-end-of-american-era-wade-davis-1038206/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

Wow , there are some truly stunning data-points in that article.

The nation consumes two-thirds of the world’s production of antidepressant drugs. The collapse of the working-class family has been responsible in part for an opioid crisis that has displaced car accidents as the leading cause of death for Americans under 50.

In truth, at least in economic terms, the country of the 1950s resembled Denmark as much as the America of today. Marginal tax rates for the wealthy were 90 percent. The salaries of CEOs were, on average, just 20 times that of their mid-management employees.

Today, the base pay of those at the top is commonly 400 times that of their salaried staff, with many earning orders of magnitude more in stock options and perks. The elite one percent of Americans control $30 trillion of assets, while the bottom half have more debt than assets. The three richest Americans have more money than the poorest 160 million of their countrymen. Fully a fifth of American households have zero or negative net worth, a figure that rises to 37 percent for black families. The median wealth of black households is a tenth that of whites. The vast majority of Americans — white, black, and brown — are two paychecks removed from bankruptcy. Though living in a nation that celebrates itself as the wealthiest in history, most Americans live on a high wire, with no safety net to brace a fall.

abff · 10-08-2020 8:39am

looksee wrote: »

Heavens that's a no messing piece on Rolling Stone! It seems to be largely comprised of opinions based on facts and figures. Is it as accurate as it appears to be?

It’s certainly very hard hitting and makes for very uneasy reading. As you say, it’s an opinion piece, but it’s hard to argue against the points being made. The following two paragraphs about POTUS are pretty damning, but not the least bit unfair, in my opinion.

“Americans have not done themselves any favors. Their political process made possible the ascendancy to the highest office in the land a national disgrace, a demagogue as morally and ethically compromised as a person can be. As a British writer quipped, “there have always been stupid people in the world, and plenty of nasty people too. But rarely has stupidity been so nasty, or nastiness so stupid”.

The American president lives to cultivate resentments, demonize his opponents, validate hatred. His main tool of governance is the lie; as of July 9th, 2020, the documented tally of his distortions and false statements numbered 20,055. If America’s first president, George Washington, famously could not tell a lie, the current one can’t recognize the truth. Inverting the words and sentiments of Abraham Lincoln, this dark troll of a man celebrates malice for all, and charity for none.”

pixelburp · 10-08-2020 9:05am

That Rolling Stone article reads less like a polemic and more of a Moment of Clarity from a citizen realising America's time of Primacy is well and truly on the way out. The stats are not in the least bit surprising but still depressing to behold just how much the US's own people are on the backfoot - and arguably support it too, cheering on the myth of the trickle down economy. No better subjugation than the willing enslavement of the self I guess. I've long suspected it even before Trump & CoVid came along but both elements have arguably hastened this process of America's fragmentation into irrelevance. I don't cheer this either: China Dominant is dangerous and an unpleasant consideration, as while I find America's individualism abhorrent - China's aggressive collectivism is no antidote either. And while off topic and not necessarily well supported, this is also precisely why I support further EU federalisation; America as a powerful ally to everything west of the Volga is currently non-existent at worst, unreliable at best. Europe's members need to pool together and finally get over delusions of nation statehood, or else we'll be next.

VinLieger · 10-08-2020 9:27am

pixelburp wrote: »

And while off topic and not necessarily well supported, this is also precisely why I support further EU federalisation; America as a powerful ally to everything west of the Volga is currently non-existent at worst, unreliable at best. Europe's members need to pool together and finally get over delusions of nation statehood, or else we'll be next.

Not to go too off topic but just want to really agree with this, while im not happy about it i simply dont see what other course of action we have in Europe. When people complain about the federalisation of Europe i can only think, well what else can we do to secure our ourselves from a dominant china and russia now the US as a viable stalwart of western values is gone, Nationalism akin to brexit is simply not a realistic or viable solution.

Itssoeasy · 10-08-2020 12:29pm

I had written two posts since last night about the brilliant rolling stone article but boards.ie is on its arse it seems so I'll just say it's a superb article.

marno21 · 10-08-2020 12:49pm

VinLieger wrote: »

Not to go too off topic but just want to really agree with this, while im not happy about it i simply dont see what other course of action we have in Europe. When people complain about the federalisation of Europe i can only think, well what else can we do to secure our ourselves from a dominant china and russia now the US as a viable stalwart of western values is gone, Nationalism akin to brexit is simply not a realistic or viable solution.

It serves as a timely reminder of the John Hume quote: You can't eat a flag.

The population at large, many of which are supporting the global racket of "conservative" nationalist movements in their own countries, will learn that electing imbeciles who drive this nonsense will lead to hard times for their own country, and themselves. The level that the UK, US, Brazil and others are operating at now is comical, all in the name of my country is great.

Time will tell who is indeed behind this co-ordinated global movement. We know some of the actors (Bannon, Farage etc) but it'll be interesting to see in time when the whole thing unravels.

extra gravy · 10-08-2020 1:03pm

Brilliant article. One of the parts that stood out for me:

"More than any other country, the United States in the post-war era lionized the individual at the expense of community and family. It was the sociological equivalent of splitting the atom. What was gained in terms of mobility and personal freedom came at the expense of common purpose."

Perfectly sums up American society and the anti mask brigade where people are more concerned about their own individual freedoms than making a small sacrifice for the common good.

Leroy42 · 10-08-2020 1:06pm

It looks like the latest EO episode is fast falling part. They didn't even discuss the 25% the state would have to cover with the states beforehand, and will only now start to check it they can or will do it. So it could very much be that certain states simply won't do it.

A leader that doesn't even check that people are with him before rolling out yet another failure to make deals. Surely the greatest deal maker in the world could have got both sides together and worked something out? Remeber when he used to invite Pelosi etc into the WH to get a deal done?

He doesn't even bother to pretend that he has any ability to get deals done anymore. He sees himself as a king, able to simply make stuff up whenever he feels like it without any interaction with the elected representatves.

The Lincoln Project has a take on Trumps use of EO, which surprise surprise he was totally against when Obama didn it;

https://twitter.com/ProjectLincoln/status/1292782215756120065

Quin_Dub · 10-08-2020 1:12pm

pixelburp wrote: »

That Rolling Stone article reads less like a polemic and more of a Moment of Clarity from a citizen realising America's time of Primacy is well and truly on the way out. The stats are not in the least bit surprising but still depressing to behold just how much the US's own people are on the backfoot - and arguably support it too, cheering on the myth of the trickle down economy. No better subjugation than the willing enslavement of the self I guess. I've long suspected it even before Trump & CoVid came along but both elements have arguably hastened this process of America's fragmentation into irrelevance. I don't cheer this either: China Dominant is dangerous and an unpleasant consideration, as while I find America's individualism abhorrent - China's aggressive collectivism is no antidote either. And while off topic and not necessarily well supported, this is also precisely why I support further EU federalisation; America as a powerful ally to everything west of the Volga is currently non-existent at worst, unreliable at best. Europe's members need to pool together and finally get over delusions of nation statehood, or else we'll be next.

The article talks about the loss of the "Social Contract" in the US.

I'd suggest that there has never been one in US Society.

It has always been about survival of the fittest , dog eat dog or whatever saying you prefer.

There's has never been a safety net , there has never been a feeling that if you were to fail that someone would help you get back up.

I've long said it about the US - A great place to be successful in , but an awful place to be unsuccessful or even just average.

All Trump has done is to scrub away that thin veneer of Society and "Christian Charity" the US always claimed to be about and shown the actual reality to the world.

EltonJohn69 · 10-08-2020 1:46pm

Leroy42 wrote: »

It looks like the latest EO episode is fast falling part. They didn't even discuss the 25% the state would have to cover with the states beforehand, and will only now start to check it they can or will do it. So it could very much be that certain states simply won't do it.

A leader that doesn't even check that people are with him before rolling out yet another failure to make deals. Surely the greatest deal maker in the world could have got both sides together and worked something out? Remeber when he used to invite Pelosi etc into the WH to get a deal done?

He doesn't even bother to pretend that he has any ability to get deals done anymore. He sees himself as a king, able to simply make stuff up whenever he feels like it without any interaction with the elected representatves.

The Lincoln Project has a take on Trumps use of EO, which surprise surprise he was totally against when Obama didn it;

https://twitter.com/ProjectLincoln/status/1292782215756120065

Signed them like butter ???

The Raging Bile Duct · 10-08-2020 1:56pm

EltonJohn69 wrote: »

Signed them like butter ???

I always sign my toast at the end with the butter I've spread on it. Doesn't everybody?!?!

Quin_Dub · 10-08-2020 3:04pm

Looks like Kanye Wests campaign is in trouble.

Removed from the Illinois ballot due to invalid signatures on his petition for inclusion and now looking like a similar issue in New Jersey.

https://twitter.com/AprilDRyan/status/1292264898274131969

https://twitter.com/AprilDRyan/status/1292267421903073280

Overheal · 10-08-2020 3:14pm

Both he and Trump have the same lawyer working for both their campaigns too - that’s a big no no. He could be disbarred and was instrumental in getting him on ballots in Wisconsin.

https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/bar-complaint-claims-kanye-wests-campaign-lawyer-is-violating-the-rules-by-simultaneously-working-for-trump/

Also, some of the signatures he submitted in WI are fraudulent such as from Bernie Sanders and Mickey Mouse. The Dems secured affidavits from at least 6 people who signed the petition that they were ‘duped’ into filling out the form.

Quin_Dub · 10-08-2020 4:06pm

Overheal wrote: »

Both he and Trump have the same lawyer working for both their campaigns too - that’s a big no no. He could be disbarred and was instrumental in getting him on ballots in Wisconsin.

https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/bar-complaint-claims-kanye-wests-campaign-lawyer-is-violating-the-rules-by-simultaneously-working-for-trump/

Also, some of the signatures he submitted in WI are fraudulent such as from Bernie Sanders and Mickey Mouse. The Dems secured affidavits from at least 6 people who signed the petition that they were ‘duped’ into filling out the form.

I know it's been said before , but imagine how bad the corruption would be if they weren't so utterly inept?

10-08-2020 4:16pm

Quin_Dub wrote: »

I know it's been said before , but imagine how bad the corruption would be if they weren't so utterly inept?

Imagine how bad it will be when the GOP have a better version of Trump and the knowledge of what they can get away with.

The Unbearables · 10-08-2020 4:20pm

I don't like Trump anymore than the majority of people here but surely the democrat's can find someone better than a guy suffering from early state dementia to oppose him

It's terribly sad to see.

Quin_Dub · 10-08-2020 4:20pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Imagine how bad it will be when the GOP have a better version of Trump and the knowledge of what they can get away with.

Without doubt , that's part of the reason that this upcoming election is so important.

There has to be a generational loss for the GOP that keeps them out of power for the next 2 or 3 cycles across all 3 branches of Government.

Not because the Democrats are so wonderful - they aren't, but because of what the GOP has become and is in danger of becoming.

If the GOP hang on to the Senate for example - a character like Josh Hawley - a younger slicker, more politically polished example of the potential future of the GOP manages to get a foothold and make a play for the WH in 4 or 8 years.

Igotadose · 10-08-2020 4:44pm

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Without doubt , that's part of the reason that this upcoming election is so important.

There has to be a generational loss for the GOP that keeps them out of power for the next 2 or 3 cycles across all 3 branches of Government.

Not because the Democrats are so wonderful - they aren't, but because of what the GOP has become and is in danger of becoming.

If the GOP hang on to the Senate for example - a character like Josh Hawley - a younger slicker, more politically polished example of the potential future of the GOP manages to get a foothold and make a play for the WH in 4 or 8 years.

Or Tom Cotten (though, he has been putting his foot into it lately.)

I used to think like you do, that a generational loss might be good punishment for the GOP, but after reading that Rolling Stone article posted here yesterday I think that America really still doesn't get it. The left-wing elite like the author is correct in pointing out that Trump's an absolute disaster as a human and as a President, but what that author missed, is what changed in America to enable Trump. Sure, he didn't win a majority of the popular vote, but he won over 60 million votes. Why? HRC was a dreadful candidate which was a big part of it, but I think it's Americans who are exhausted by the loss of opportunity, the loss of jobs, and the feeling of being trapped in an endless spiral that lead them to believe a lying populist like Trump's going to make it great again.

I don't see how Biden can fix this. It's also a generational problem in that it'll take generations to ameliorate the worst effects. Hyper-focus on healthcare would help a great deal, Obamacare didn't fix the US health care problem, it's an industry that will need to be completely re-imagined to fix. And that's just one problem. CEO's earning 400 times their average employees salary is another.

I recommend this essay by Peggy Noonan as a reminder of what led to Trump, and how, 4 years later, nothing's changed, it's objectively worse. https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-and-the-rise-of-the-unprotected-1456448550

duploelabs · 10-08-2020 4:58pm

The Unbearables wrote: »

I don't like Trump anymore than the majority of people here but surely the democrat's can find someone better than a guy suffering from early state dementia to oppose him

It's terribly sad to see.

Can you cite something reputable that states, following a diagnosis, that Biden is suffering from dementia?

It's ok, I'll wait

The Unbearables · 10-08-2020 5:02pm

duploelabs wrote: »

Can you cite something reputable that states, following a diagnosis, that Biden is suffering from dementia?

It's ok, I'll wait

Have seen his latest interview?

Trump as much as I dislike him is going to destroy him at the debates. I want the Democrats to put someone forward who'll at least get out and oppose Trump.

Joe needs to stop hiding in his bunker.

Timberrrrrrrr · 10-08-2020 5:04pm

The Unbearables wrote: »

I don't like Trump anymore than the majority of people here but surely the democrat's can find someone better than a guy suffering from early state dementia to oppose him

It's terribly sad to see.

Any chance the mods can stop this shìte talk? Every day someone makes this claim without the slightest shred of evidence other than "well have you seen the video where he mumbles this word"?

extra gravy · 10-08-2020 5:06pm

The Unbearables wrote: »

Have seen his latest interview?

Trump as much as I dislike him is going to destroy him at the debates. I want the Democrats to put someone forward who'll at least get out and oppose Trump.

Joe needs to stop hiding in his bunker.

Have you seen Trump's latest interview?

Don't worry, he couldn't debate a 4 year old, he won't be destroying anyone.

Timberrrrrrrr · 10-08-2020 5:09pm

extra gravy wrote: »

Have you seen Trump's latest interview?

Don't worry, he couldn't debate a 4 year old, he won't be destroying anyone.

I dunno, he has destroyed the lives of millions so far, He will not go down well in history as he had hoped he would.

The Unbearables · 10-08-2020 5:15pm

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Any chance the mods can stop this shìte talk? Every day someone makes this claim without the slightest shred of evidence other than "well have you seen the video where he mumbles this word"?

Why are you asking the mods for help?

The Unbearables · 10-08-2020 5:16pm

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Any chance the mods can stop this shìte talk? Every day someone makes this claim without the slightest shred of evidence other than "well have you seen the video where he mumbles this word"?

So you've seen the video? Opinions?

duploelabs · 10-08-2020 5:19pm

The Unbearables wrote: »

So you've seen the video? Opinions?

Show us the video so, you do know he's had a lifelong stammer right?

10-08-2020 5:21pm

The Unbearables wrote: »

So you've seen the video? Opinions?

Do you have any credible sources to back up Joe Biden suffering from dementia? Posters arrive in with the claim once a week and always fail to substantiate the outlandish claim.

dwayneshintzy · 10-08-2020 5:25pm

The Unbearables, how would you rate Trump's latest interviews? Particularly the Axios and Chris Wallace interviews.

Interested since you say you're no fan at all of Trump, but are confident diagnosing Joe Biden with dementia based on media appearances.

uptherebels · 10-08-2020 5:28pm

The Unbearables wrote: »

Joe needs to stop hiding in his bunker.

U sure you have the right person?

serfboard · 10-08-2020 5:37pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Imagine how bad it will be when the GOP have a better version of Trump and the knowledge of what they can get away with.

With the exception of GHW Bush (who only lasted one term because of his inability to tackle economic problems), the Republican trajectory over the last 40 years has been to keep selecting progressively more stupid presidential candidates. Reagan->W->Trump - each one dumber than the last.

Overheal · 10-08-2020 5:46pm

uptherebels wrote: »

U sure you have the right person?

I think so. Barr under oath and threat of perjury confirmed Trump was in his bunker

https://www.mediaite.com/politics/ag-barr-confirms-trump-went-to-seek-shelter-in-bunker-during-lafayette-park-protests/

Attorney General William Barr confirmed President Donald Trump went to seek shelter in a bunker during Lafayette Park protests off the advice of the Secret Service, a claim the president has denied.

It was first reported on May 31 that the president was rushed to a bunker for safety concerns around protests nearing the White House. Protests near the White House turned violent on the last Friday night in May, and Trump reportedly remained inside for an hour.

Three days later, Trump denied he was in the bunker for safety concerns, rather touring the facility for “inspection” purposes, he said in a radio interview with Fox’s Brian Kilmeade.

“It was a false report,” Trump said. “I wasn’t down, I went down during the day and I was there for a tiny little short period of time, and it was much more for an inspection.”

Barr contradicted the president days later on June 8 and confirmed the reports during his testimony before the House Judiciary Committee on Tuesday.

“For the 29th, 30th, and 31st, there was unprecedented rioting right around the White House,” Barr said. “Very violent. During that time, as you say, about 50 park police… We had around 90 officers injured. I’m talking about things like concussions — one was operated on — and so forth. It was so bad as it’s been reported the Secret Service recommended the president go down to the shelter.”

“It was clear when I arrived at the White House on Monday [June 1] that there was total consensus that we couldn’t allow that to happen so close to the White House, that kind of rioting,” Barr added. “Therefore, we had to move the perimeter out one block and push it up toward I-street.”

Watch above, via Fox News.

Then there's video evidence here which shows several things: Biden is not hiding anywhere, is in great shape being able to ride a bicycle in this heat while wearing a facemask, and Trump is on a clear physical decline :pac:

https://twitter.com/ProjectLincoln/status/1292213856152977415?s=20

Timberrrrrrrr · 10-08-2020 6:14pm

The Unbearables wrote: »

Why are you asking the mods for help?

Not asking for help, I'm asking can people with no medical qualifications who have never met never mind examined Biden be asked to stop making the same ridiculous accusations.

ExMachina1000 · 10-08-2020 6:48pm

The Guardian (a fan favourite in these parts) has said Joe Biden needs to stop being racist to black people. The Democrats are relying on the black vote to win the election but Joe keeps putting his foot in it.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/aug/10/joe-biden-needs-black-voters-so-why-does-he-keep-insulting-us

Trump is imploding while Biden is doing his best to follow suit.

Those crazy Americans

Cody montana · 10-08-2020 6:54pm

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

The Guardian (a fan favourite in these parts) has said Joe Biden needs to stop being racist to black people. The Democrats are relying on the black vote to win the election but Joe keeps putting his foot in it.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/aug/10/joe-biden-needs-black-voters-so-why-does-he-keep-insulting-us

Trump is imploding while Biden is doing his best to follow suit.

Those crazy Americans

An opinion piece?
serious lol.

The Unbearables · 10-08-2020 6:59pm

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

The Guardian (a fan favourite in these parts) has said Joe Biden needs to stop being racist to black people. The Democrats are relying on the black vote to win the election but Joe keeps putting his foot in it.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/aug/10/joe-biden-needs-black-voters-so-why-does-he-keep-insulting-us

Trump is imploding while Biden is doing his best to follow suit.

Those crazy Americans

He has a history of racism alright. I wonder will he even turn up for the debates?

Cody montana · 10-08-2020 7:01pm

The Unbearables wrote: »

He has a history of racism alright. I wonder will he even turn up for the debates?

I think Trump said he will.

Quin_Dub · 10-08-2020 7:03pm

The Unbearables wrote: »

I don't like Trump anymore than the majority of people here but surely the democrat's can find someone better than a guy suffering from early state dementia to oppose him

It's terribly sad to see.

The Unbearables wrote: »

Have seen his latest interview?

Trump as much as I dislike him is going to destroy him at the debates. I want the Democrats to put someone forward who'll at least get out and oppose Trump.

Joe needs to stop hiding in his bunker.

The Unbearables wrote: »

He has a history of racism alright. I wonder will he even turn up for the debates?

##Mod Note##

Enough with the silly sound bites

Up the standards please.

Itssoeasy · 10-08-2020 7:03pm

The Unbearables wrote: »

He has a history of racism alright. I wonder will he even turn up for the debates?

Who Biden or trump ? One makes unfortunate comments but apologies and the other is Donald trump who is probably the only us president to have been charged by the US government for knowingly discriminating against people because of race.

Timberrrrrrrr · 10-08-2020 7:03pm

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

The Guardian (a fan favourite in these parts) has said Joe Biden needs to stop being racist to black people. The Democrats are relying on the black vote to win the election but Joe keeps putting his foot in it.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/aug/10/joe-biden-needs-black-voters-so-why-does-he-keep-insulting-us

Trump is imploding while Biden is doing his best to follow suit.

Those crazy Americans

Strangely enough the only people who ever post links to the Guardian are Trump zealots who want to accuse everyone else of reading the Guardian.

Donald Trump Presidency discussion Thread VIII (threadbanned users listed in OP)

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