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18-12-2018, 08:17   #31
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19 speakers? how many ears do you have?
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P&R onto a bus even one with great corridors is not appealing to a lot of people.
This is what I don't really believe, and see it as just an excuse. On the N11 corridor, it is already appealing to a lot of people, even with a brutal corridor (bus stuck in the same queues as cars) and BE capacity issues.

Enough for a privateer to make a success of it, and put in their own park and ride for wicklow (Wexford Bus). Enough for several villages on the corridor to have to put parking restrictions to stop unofficial park and rides (e.g. Ashford). It's never been properly proposed and tested imo, with the park and rides, facilities, capacity and frequency.
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Exactly this. Your own space and your own privacy. Heat, call people, listen to what you want, no horrible odours (except your own if you choose ), and just overall comfort.
If a public transport was a hour and a car was two, few people would't transfer over.
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Nope, funnily enough, cyclists come out better on fumes too;


https://www.theguardian.com/environm...d-routes-study
either that article is brain-dead of the original study is

just read it

the longer you commute the more air you inhale

genius

if you have the same time for the commute, the cyclist is slightly higher

and if you happen to breath heavily you might get close too twice the dose over the same period
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if you have the same time for the commute, the cyclist is slightly higher
yes, but you've gone twice the distance.
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the cyclists were by far the fastest, arriving in 11 minutes, half the time of bus and car travellers.
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18-12-2018, 12:00   #36
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Exactly, time is money afterall. Cycling is, by a country distance, the quickest and most convenient way of getting around town.

A question for the drivers in town. How much of your working week spent is wasted being sat in a traffic jam?

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If a public transport was a hour and a car was two, few people would't transfer over.
If someone forced me to take a passenger on my commute I'd put the two of us into the hedge.

You need to make other options better rather than aiming for the dystopian options of forcing people to do things.
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There may be ways of making it faster with a lot of work, but it'll never be easier or more appealing.
If its faster then its more appealing for most people, I would say.
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ill stick to climate controlled seats and a 19 speaker sound system cheers.
Exactly this. Your own space and your own privacy. Heat, call people, listen to what you want, no horrible odours (except your own if you choose ), and just overall comfort.
Do you ever leave the house Pat? Ever spend time in pubs or shops or cafés or offices?
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Exactly, time is money afterall. Cycling is, by a country distance, the quickest and most convenient way of getting around town.

A question for the drivers in town. How much of your working week spent is wasted being sat in a traffic jam?
At least you're warm, comfy, and have the radio on.
None of this messing with leaving clothes in work, and having showers. Even wet l, windy miserable weather is grand when you're in a car.
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At least you're warm, comfy, and have the radio on.
None of this messing with leaving clothes in work, and having showers. Even wet l, windy miserable weather is grand when you're in a car.
Don't see an issue with that. A shower in work means it's not coming out of your heating or leccie bill. Also means you're not wasting a fortune on petrol or funding the insurance cartel.

Cycling to work can be a great 2 fingered salute to capitalism at times

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At least you're warm, comfy, and have the radio on.
None of this messing with leaving clothes in work, and having showers. Even wet l, windy miserable weather is grand when you're in a car.
i'm enjoying the irony of people contributing to a thread about traffic congestion where they say they won't consider the alternatives which are the cure for congestion.

you want to enjoy the benefits of bringing your three piece suite to work? enjoy sitting in traffic so.
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Nope, funnily enough, cyclists come out better on fumes too;


https://www.theguardian.com/environm...d-routes-study
either that article is brain-dead of the original study is

just read it

the longer you commute the more air you inhale

genius

if you have the same time for the commute, the cyclist is slightly higher

and if you happen to breath heavily you might get close too twice the dose over the same period
Oh it's way more than one study

https://amp.theguardian.com/environment/2017/jun/12/children-risk-air-pollution-cars-former-uk-chief-scientist-warns

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-35504768

https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/news/motoring-news/children-exposed-to-a-third-more-toxic-car-fumes-than-adults/

https://airqualitynews.com/2016/02/16/higher-air-pollution-health-risk-inside-car-study-finds/

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-3818761/amp/Exhaust-fumes-cause-crashes-clogging-drivers-brains-Levels-nitrogen-dioxide-thought-blunt-attention-slow-reaction-times.html
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Exactly, time is money afterall. Cycling is, by a country distance, the quickest and most convenient way of getting around town.

A question for the drivers in town. How much of your working week spent is wasted being sat in a traffic jam?
At least you're warm, comfy, and have the radio on.
None of this messing with leaving clothes in work, and having showers. Even wet l, windy miserable weather is grand when you're in a car.
What's the 'messing' of leaving clothes in work? It's just leaving clothes in work.
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Even wet l, windy miserable weather is grand when you're in a car.
The problem still is being in the car when its lovely and sunny and warm and you are still 45 minutes/3km from home.
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