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turdball · 26-01-2019 4:19pm

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

There's not much going at that price point. RX590 8GB or GTX1060 6GB, a little faster with more vram but not huge upgrades, the market has stagnated horribly in recent years.

If you can stretch to €330ish Vega 56 is a big upgrade and comes with Resident Evil 2, DMC 5 and Division 2.

RTX2060 is the closest Nvidia equivalent at the moment, but around €380, comes with Anthem and Battlefield V too.

Thanks Terror, Think I'll leave the upgrade for another while. Not having any real problems with the 970 anyway.

ED E · 27-01-2019 6:35pm

MiskyBoyy wrote: »

Yes.

You can buy aftermarket ones like in the video.

Sorry, gotta call BS here.

One, thats for a laptop, so not really applicable to Heads beastly ever upgraded tower.

The different methods we tested really boil down to two types of cooling: passive cooling with a heatsink and active cooling with a fan. Both can make a big difference, but one thing that was clear in our testing is that even a small amount of airflow over the drive can be extremely beneficial. While we did not specifically test it, even better would be to combine the two methods by having a heatsink on the drive along with a fan providing some airflow over the heatsink.

Keep in mind that in the real world, it is very uncommon to fully utilize a drive this fast to the same extent we did in our testing. Very few programs will actually be able to read from a Samsung 950 Pro at full speed for more than a very short period of time, but if you do have a situation where you need a M.2 drive to perform at full speed for longer periods of time this should give you an idea of what you may need to do to achieve this.

Two, abovei from Puget. Basically a drive of that speed completes its actions so fast it never really gets hot as its idle the majority of the time. And even if it does, heat isn't an issue. Heatsinks for M2 are about as important as RGB DIMMs.

Just benchmarked mine. Idle 33*C, Load 33*C. Pick the biggest game you can think of and install it. See if it even gets warm.

MiskyBoyy · 27-01-2019 6:48pm

ED E wrote: »

Sorry, gotta call BS here.

One, thats for a laptop, so not really applicable to Heads beastly ever upgraded tower.

Two, abovei from Puget. Basically a drive of that speed completes its actions so fast it never really gets hot as its idle the majority of the time. And even if it does, heat isn't an issue. Heatsinks for M2 are about as important as RGB DIMMs.

Just benchmarked mine. Idle 33*C, Load 33*C. Pick the biggest game you can think of and install it. See if it even gets warm.

I'll admit. I only based my evidence on that one video.

After further investigation I can see it was clearly wrong.

I'm just after ordering a 970 Evo 500GB. I have the Asus Strix Z390 which has one heat sink.

So going on what you're saying and the general consensus on reddit etc, it doesn't really matter if I hide it under the heat sink or leave it out in the open?

ED E · 27-01-2019 6:55pm

Not unless your airflow is zilch.

Mines on a PCIE daughter board to get x4 speeds but your board is double x4 so you won't have that problem.

DARK-KNIGHT · 28-01-2019 9:47am

How powerful are the vega gpus lads?

Looking to build a fresh pc just wondering where the value for mo ey lies is it amd or nvidia now?

Cuddlesworth · 28-01-2019 10:42am

DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »

How powerful are the vega gpus lads?

Looking to build a fresh pc just wondering where the value for mo ey lies is it amd or nvidia now?

The 56 popping up now and again for 300 quid delivered is damm good value. Otherwise the 2060 is the better card.

wotzgoingon · 28-01-2019 4:34pm

I've a 56. Below is my Timespy result

https://www.3dmark.com/spy/5640095

I can play games at 4k with a overclock. Doom plays the best out of all the games I own at 4k.

EoinHef · 29-01-2019 5:43pm

What do people think the below is worth:

3570K @ 4.3Ghz
Coolermaster Hyper 212 Evo
8gb DDR3 1666Mhz
Asrock Extreme 4 Z77
DVD R/CD R Dive
All in a Coolermaster HAF 912 Advanced

Would €200 be a starting point on adverts,hoping to maybe get €150?

Have givin it a good clean,except the heat sink fin stack as ran out of compressed air but other wise shes solid and fairly clean

K.O.Kiki · 29-01-2019 6:09pm

EoinHef wrote: »

What do people think the below is worth:

3570K @ 4.3Ghz
Coolermaster Hyper 212 Evo
8gb DDR3 1666Mhz
Asrock Extreme 4 Z77
DVD R/CD R Dive
All in a Coolermaster HAF 912 Advanced

Would €200 be a starting point on adverts,hoping to maybe get €150?

Have givin it a good clean,except the heat sink fin stack as ran out of compressed air but other wise shes solid and fairly clean

Yeah that's a fair price.

Xenoronin · 29-01-2019 6:17pm

EoinHef wrote: »

What do people think the below is worth:

3570K @ 4.3Ghz
Coolermaster Hyper 212 Evo
8gb DDR3 1666Mhz
Asrock Extreme 4 Z77
DVD R/CD R Dive
All in a Coolermaster HAF 912 Advanced

Would €200 be a starting point on adverts,hoping to maybe get €150?

Have givin it a good clean,except the heat sink fin stack as ran out of compressed air but other wise shes solid and fairly clean

I think you are undercharging for all this. That's still a beast of a PC, regardless of age. Splitting is generally more profitable. Below seems to be the going rate from ebay.ie.
MOBO: ~100euro
CPU: ~70-80euro
RAM: hard to gauge, but ~20-30euro
Case: depending on condition ~20-50euro
Cooler: ~20euro

To give a bundle example, without the case and cooler, this sold for approx €140.
https://www.ebay.ie/itm/i5-3570K-CPU-Asrock-Z77-Extreme-4-Motherboard-8GB-Kingston-HyperX-RAM-Bundle/233082998744?hash=item3644d44fd8:g:wlgAAOSwgrZcMeyF

Below single parts estimate but that seems to always be the case anyway. If it is just clutter to you, then initial €200 should definitely shift it.

wotzgoingon · 29-01-2019 7:23pm

Don't go by ebay prices as I once sold a item on Ebay and was charged a serious chunk by them and said I will never sell on there again. Shops on there can afford it as they pay a set price each year rather than an amount on each item they sell.

Xenoronin · 30-01-2019 1:18pm

Did not know that! Good to know

will56 · 31-01-2019 10:22am

Has anyone ever had a backplate stuck to the back of a motherboard ?

Need to replace my AIO but the backplate is stuck to the back and won't budge.

Safe to use a hairdryer or similar to see if it loosens whatever adhesive is there ?
I didn't install the AIO so dunno what has it on so tight.

K.O.Kiki · 31-01-2019 10:31am

Which motherboard? Might be manufacturer-applied & not moveable.

will56 · 31-01-2019 10:33am

K.O.Kiki wrote: »

Which motherboard? Might be manufacturer-applied & not moveable.

Motherboard: Gigabyte H87N-WIFI ITX

AIO: Corsair Hydro Series H55

K.O.Kiki · 31-01-2019 12:46pm

will56 wrote: »

Motherboard: Gigabyte H87N-WIFI ITX

AIO: Corsair Hydro Series H55

Going by the H55's manual, it has 2 adhesive strips holding it into place on the motherboard.
Try heating the sides of the backplate with a hair dryer for a bit. Try a glue removal spray (that's a thing right?)

Skerries · 31-01-2019 3:22pm

I recommend a hair spray and a lighter for ultimate heat

warning!: this may or may not void your warranty

TerrorFirmer · 31-01-2019 5:13pm

A lot of OEM's do that, the backplate is secured by thick double sided adhesive pads, sort of like those 3M rolls.

deceit · 31-01-2019 6:14pm

I've done similar without issue on older motherboards with a heatgun. You have to put it on its lowest setting and be quick with it though.
I've also done the same with ram (new stuff) without issue.

TitianGerm · 04-02-2019 2:17pm

Does anyone know what company Nvidia use to ship their GPUs to Ireland? I got a Parcel Force shipping number but it's not being recognized.

BArra · 04-02-2019 10:45pm

parcel force must pass off to a courier over here, have you tried entering that tracking number on say, fastway, niteline, anpost, GLS websites?

it will likely work on one of those as long as its arrived from the UK and would also display the converted 'Irish' tracking number of whichever carrier deals with parcel force

if my ageing memory serves, it would be GLS

TitianGerm · 04-02-2019 10:46pm

BArra wrote: »

parcel force must pass off to a courier over here, have you tried entering that tracking number on say, fastway, niteline, anpost, GLS websites?

it will likely work on one of those as long as its arrived from the UK and would also display the converted 'Irish' tracking number of whichever carrier deals with parcel force

if my ageing memory serves, it would be GLS

It shows the tracking number as "not recognized" on the Parcel Force website. I've tried it in a few of those but I'll try the others now. Thank you.

BArra · 04-02-2019 10:54pm

very odd that it does not show on parcel force site? did it dispatch from the UK?

unless it dispatched today and hasn't been picked up or logged into parcelforce yet?

TitianGerm · 04-02-2019 10:57pm

BArra wrote: »

very odd that it does not show on parcel force site? did it dispatch from the UK?

unless it dispatched today and hasn't been picked up or logged into parcelforce yet?

It said it was dispatched on the 31st on the Nvidia site. Tried online chat with Nvidia today but couldn't get an agent.

BArra · 04-02-2019 11:06pm

should have been picked up so, I don't have direct experience with a GPU off NVIDIA direct so maybe someone here who has it

I do know that it should prob show a pickup scan from parcel force, origin scan at their depot and export scan to Ireland, when it gets to Ireland then whoever it is delivering it, the parcel force tracking number would work and likely show the converted Irish tracking number in it

def get onto NVIDIA to clarify

TitianGerm · 04-02-2019 11:07pm

BArra wrote: »

should have been picked up so, I don't have direct experience with a GPU off NVIDIA direct so maybe someone here who has it

I do know that it should prob show a pickup scan from parcel force, origin scan at their depot and export scan to Ireland, when it gets to Ireland then whoever it is delivering it, the parcel force tracking number would work and likely show the converted Irish tracking number in it

def get onto NVIDIA to clarify

Thanks Barra.

TitianGerm · 05-02-2019 7:31pm

TitianGerm wrote: »

Does anyone know what company Nvidia use to ship their GPUs to Ireland? I got a Parcel Force shipping number but it's not being recognized.

Well it arrived today but the tracking number never worked at all. The driver said he tried to deliver yesterday as well.

Great looking card by the way. Looking forward to getting it set up.

BArra · 05-02-2019 7:41pm

haha what a cluster***k but alls well that ends well :cool:

what courier delivered it out of interest?

TitianGerm · 05-02-2019 7:43pm

BArra wrote: »

haha what a cluster***k but alls well that ends well :cool:

what courier delivered it out of interest?

It came with UTI Ireland. I'd never heard of them before but seem to be some way linked to DSV.

h0neybadger · 06-02-2019 12:37pm

Hey folks, just received my 2080. The weight in these cards!

Would it be best to go with a support bracket? I'm worried about putting that much weight and having the card sag over time.

Or is it enough to support it using the IO plate screwed to case and sitting in the pci slot?

Support brackets don't seem to be too expensive, £15 - £18 etc.

TitianGerm · 06-02-2019 12:43pm

h0neybadger wrote: »

Hey folks, just received my 2080. The weight in these cards!

Would it be best to go with a support bracket? I'm worried about putting that much weight and having the card sag over time.

Or is it enough to support it using the IO plate screwed to case and sitting in the pci slot?

Support brackets don't seem to be too expensive, £15 - £18 etc.

Build a little support leg out of Lego?

K.O.Kiki · 07-02-2019 5:23am

h0neybadger wrote: »

Hey folks, just received my 2080. The weight in these cards!

Would it be best to go with a support bracket? I'm worried about putting that much weight and having the card sag over time.

Or is it enough to support it using the IO plate screwed to case and sitting in the pci slot?

Support brackets don't seem to be too expensive, £15 - £18 etc.

https://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/3424-gpu-sag-test-thermals-frequency-benchmark

EoinHef · 07-02-2019 7:03pm

F****n gigabyte,worst BIOS ive ever had the bad luck to have to setup.

Ive a sneaky feeling all the fan headers advertised as PWM are not actually PWM. Feature like using GPU temps to govern fan speeds just flat out wont work.

And to top it all off the settings in the bios are not taking and can reset to previous settings on reboot:(

twinsen · 07-02-2019 9:02pm

I was really hoping new amd will shake the market a bit. But Jesus, its shocking that it took them 2 years to reach 1080ti speeds, and they want more for it than 1080ti at launch price. Not to mention power usage and 3000rpm fans.

Finally they managed to get in real fight against Intel, but are just rekt by nVidia

wotzgoingon · 07-02-2019 9:36pm

I don't think people realize how little money AMD make. Even now with Ryzen they little make very little compared to Nvidia and Intel. Yes they competed with both those companies back in the day but they both used shady business practices over the years to gain market share and once they did there was no stopping either company.

I myself was drawn in by both companies names years ago and wouldn't buy AMD but not any more.

Inviere · 08-02-2019 9:14am

wotzgoingon wrote: »

I don't think people realize how little money AMD make.

I'd love to go full AMD on my next build. I don't think I'll be going with team red for the gpu though. Vega VII seems a fine card, but there's just no reason to choose it over a 2080. Value wise, with the price points the same, the RTX cards just offer a better featureset. Vega VII really needed to nicely undercut its RTX equivalent to give it en edge, and while I know they make a lot less money than Nvidia do, the current pricing strategy isn't going to change that.

cherryghost · 08-02-2019 9:28am

My friend is building his first gaming PC with me tomorrow. Super excited for him, and the Steam sales are on!

will56 · 08-02-2019 10:27am

twinsen wrote: »

I was really hoping new amd will shake the market a bit. But Jesus, its shocking that it took them 2 years to reach 1080ti speeds, and they want more for it than 1080ti at launch price. Not to mention power usage and 3000rpm fans.

Finally they managed to get in real fight against Intel, but are just rekt by nVidia

Can see the frustration from a lot of the reviewers as well, everyone wanted this card to offer a real alternative to the Nvidia's higher end but its just not there.

Have to hope now that Navi offers real competitiveness in the mid range market.

Xenoronin · 08-02-2019 12:13pm

It is frustrating, but it isn't a surprise. There is only so much gain you can have from moving to 7nm. Vega was already underwhelming before that. Can anyone explain the 16gb of HBM2 btw? I can't understand why they would have more than 8gb in this card. How can you justify the expense?

EoinHef · 08-02-2019 1:54pm

Xenoronin wrote: »

It is frustrating, but it isn't a surprise. There is only so much gain you can have from moving to 7nm. Vega was already underwhelming before that. Can anyone explain the 16gb of HBM2 btw? I can't understand why they would have more than 8gb in this card. How can you justify the expense?

https://youtu.be/zx9rKmsxk00

Bout 4 minutes in theres about as good an explanation as ive heard.

Tl;DR
HBM GPU's may not be able to be manufactured without all the HBM slots filled. So maybe if they put 2gb modules in that would have meant a max of 8gb so they went with 4gb modules giving them 16gb.

Cuddlesworth · 08-02-2019 3:03pm

Inviere wrote: »

I'd love to go full AMD on my next build. I don't think I'll be going with team red for the gpu though. Vega VII seems a fine card, but there's just no reason to choose it over a 2080. Value wise, with the price points the same, the RTX cards just offer a better featureset. Vega VII really needed to nicely undercut its RTX equivalent to give it en edge, and while I know they make a lot less money than Nvidia do, the current pricing strategy isn't going to change that.

If it sells at RRP, its about 6% slower at a cheaper price then the 1080. I couldn't give a ****e about RTX, so it doesn't come into it as a factor to me. So its not like its not competitive card in this price gouging market.

At the moment, its going to sell like hotcakes to Universities for its FP64 performance combined with larger and faster RAM at a fraction of the cost of the pro cards. Its 50% of the performance of a Titan V at 25% of the cost. Once that market drys up, I expect AMD to come close to break even just to try keep some market share, which is why this card was even released.

Its only because the 2080 and 2080ti offered so little value for money, that this product could even be released.

BloodBath · 08-02-2019 4:18pm

Xenoronin wrote: »

It is frustrating, but it isn't a surprise. There is only so much gain you can have from moving to 7nm. Vega was already underwhelming before that. Can anyone explain the 16gb of HBM2 btw? I can't understand why they would have more than 8gb in this card. How can you justify the expense?

I don't think it's meant to be a gaming card. In fact AMD said several times pre launch that it wasn't a gaming card. It's for developers and designers who want the gpu memory for projects that want/need all that memory that maybe also do some gaming.

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

If it sells at RRP, its about 6% slower at a cheaper price then the 1080. I couldn't give a ****e about RTX, so it doesn't come into it as a factor to me. So its not like its not competitive card in this price gouging market.

At the moment, its going to sell like hotcakes to Universities for its FP64 performance combined with larger and faster RAM at a fraction of the cost of the pro cards. Its 50% of the performance of a Titan V at 25% of the cost. Once that market drys up, I expect AMD to come close to break even just to try keep some market share, which is why this card was even released.

Its only because the 2080 and 2080ti offered so little value for money, that this product could even be released.

It won't be selling like hot cakes as they have made very few of them and are supposedly making a loss on them. It's a paper launch just to have something to compare to Nvidias high end until Navi comes along.

Cuddlesworth · 08-02-2019 5:54pm

BloodBath wrote: »

It won't be selling like hot cakes as they have made very few of them and are supposedly making a loss on them. It's a paper launch just to have something to compare to Nvidias high end until Navi comes along.

The are lots of scientists and Universities that will be purchasing them for their FP64 performance for the small numbers of stock they have.

And to be clear on this, at RRP it's competitive with Nvidias 2nd best consumer offering right now.

TerrorFirmer · 08-02-2019 6:10pm

We can say that it's broadly 10% slower or whatever but that doesn't tell a proper story (from a gaming POV), as in some titles it's extremely close while others it's significantly behind, and as always, at the cost of using more power and generating more heat. There is a major lack of consistency head-to-head with the 2080/1080ti.

The cheapest VIII is £649, there are 2080's for £639 now. As a gaming card it doesn't really make any case for itself. RTX has more grunt, uses less power, has RTX novelty, and far more consistent, reliable performance across the board.

Obviously for other non-gaming tasks it has significant benefits, and I understand that it was never built with the intent of seizing any gaming performance crown....But I think some people were expecting more, though arguably it wasn't that realistic an expectation.

BloodBath · 08-02-2019 6:21pm

Some of the newer titles performing better on the Vega tells a lot. The main problem seems to be poor optimisation for AMD hardware from developers. Surprising considering most of the consoles use AMD hardware. It mainly older titles and engines, DX11 stuff that Nvidia jumps ahead on. In DX12 and Vulkan they seem to be right up there with Nvidia and even ahead in some cases compared to the 2080.

I don't think the power consumption figures are bad considering it has 16gb of super fast hbm2. Comparing a 16gb cards power consumption to an 8gb card makes no sense. That stuff is pretty power hungry. I hope they sort things out for Navi though. Vega didn't quite do it.

Inviere · 08-02-2019 7:24pm

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

And to be clear on this, at RRP it's competitive with Nvidias 2nd best consumer offering right now.

Really though? As a gaming card, it’s generally at a similar price point less powerful, noisier, and has fewer features than a 2080. I want to go team red, but I just don’t see how it offers competitive value over a 2080.

K.O.Kiki · 09-02-2019 6:10am

Y'all forgetting the real draw - FreeSync will 100% work on your FreeSync monitor.

btkm8unsl0w5r4 · 09-02-2019 10:28pm

Inviere wrote: »

Really though? As a gaming card, it’s generally at a similar price point less powerful, noisier, and has fewer features than a 2080. I want to go team red, but I just don’t see how it offers competitive value over a 2080.

Look everyone was waiting for a 7nm miracle, and its was obvious that 7nm was not the solution. Now like brexit when we have to live in reality rather than an angry fantasy, people might get real.

wotzgoingon · 10-02-2019 1:53am

I think it is a decent card tbh. My 290 was good so was my Fury X and now my Vega 56 is good also. I could not care less about power draw tbh and have no idea why people get so worked up about it.

Cuddlesworth · 10-02-2019 12:39pm

Inviere wrote: »

Really though? As a gaming card, it’s generally at a similar price point less powerful, noisier, and has fewer features than a 2080. I want to go team red, but I just don’t see how it offers competitive value over a 2080.

Its over priced right now, probably will be for a while because of low volume and a niche set of customers.

If it sold around RRP, it would be 10% less then the 2080 for 5-6% less performance and yes I am aware there are swings in performance. Its pretty likely that in the next year with driver updates and dx12 games added to performance tests, it will close that gap.

People who say it has less features should probably take a look at all those RTX games in use 6 months later. By the time dedicated cores become a thing, the 1st gen RTX cards will be on scrap heaps.

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