Off-Topic Thread V3.0

TitianGerm

jebidiah wrote: »

Double post. Sorry.

I have 8 GB of Corsair DDR 4 at the moment two 4 GB sticks. Should I get two more to go to 16 GB or should I get 2x8 and sell my current sticks?
CPU is a Ryzen 5 1600, gigabyte mobo

HyperX HX426C16FB2/8 8 GB 2666 MHz DDR4 CL16 DIMM 1.2 V 288-Pin Memory Kit, Black https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B06XNRXCV6/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_vauCCbG4DGAWF

These are down to £49 for 8GB stick.

wotzgoingon

jebidiah wrote: »

Double post. Sorry.

I have 8 GB of Corsair DDR 4 at the moment two 4 GB sticks. Should I get two more to go to 16 GB or should I get 2x8 and sell my current sticks?
CPU is a Ryzen 5 1600, gigabyte mobo

Sell the 2x4 and buy 2x8 as populating all RAM sockets isn't that good as performance can decrease by a slight margin/ sometimes even more than a slight bit.

BloodBath

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

Problem for me with the 2060 is the same - just 6GB VRAM. Deliberately cripples the cards. This is a ****ty tactic Nvidia have introduced relatively recently to artificially separate performance classes.

Imagine the GTX970 was a 2GB card in 2014.....pretty much what Nvidia are doing now.

In fairness the 970 was fairly crippled as well. 3.5gb of effective memory despite advertising 4gb in the marketing. They lost a class action lawsuit over that and had to pay each 970 owner in the states €50 each.

This was years after the 7970 having 3gb of memory as well. Even 4gb would have been low.

Nvidia have a long list of rotten business practices. I really hope AMD do to them what they have to intel.

wotzgoingon

BloodBath wrote: »

Nvidia have a long list of rotten business practices.

That's why I do not support Nvidia.

Joshua J

Nvidia have the hearts and minds though. A 1050ti on adverts at E130 with multiple offers and an RX480 at E135 with hardly a sniff.

jebidiah

TitianGerm wrote: »

HyperX HX426C16FB2/8 8 GB 2666 MHz DDR4 CL16 DIMM 1.2 V 288-Pin Memory Kit, Black https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B06XNRXCV6/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_vauCCbG4DGAWF

These are down to £49 for 8GB stick.

2*4 GB 3000MHz Corsair lpx are about £79 on Amazon, which I currently have. 2*8 GB is around £89, maybe £99? It doesn't make sense.

I'll probably stick with that since since I know it works... But if there's a better deal

EoinHef

jebidiah wrote: »

2*4 GB 3000MHz Corsair lpx are about £79 on Amazon, which I currently have. 2*8 GB is around £89, maybe £99? It doesn't make sense.

I'll probably stick with that since since I know it works... But if there's a better deal

Givin your on ryzen id definitely go for the faster ram.

I went for a 16gb 3200Mhz Corsair LPX recently,2*8gb sticks.

They should be very close to 3000Mhz kit in price. If ye can stretch a little more id go for them.

Ideally a high speed with very low timings would best but theres a decent premium on that kind of ram still.

Cuddlesworth

K.O.Kiki wrote: »

https://www.gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/3445-evga-gtx-1660-ti-xc-review-benchmark

GTX 1660 Ti beaten by Vega 56, even when the Nvidia card is overclocked.

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

And Nvidia can **** off with their practice of deliberately hamstringing the longevity of cards with the VRAM.

I would take Vega 56 over that card easily.

Right now with the Pulse card in a firesale, if you don't mind near double the power draw(and heat) for slightly more performance, sure.

In a month, with obvious headroom in the 1160ti's price and Sapphire/MSI will to take the hit to clear stock, doubtful.

I like the vega, but its obvious that the current MSI blower and Pulse cards are a stock dump.

jebidiah

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

Right now with the Pulse card in a firesale, if you don't mind near double the power draw(and heat) for slightly more performance, sure.

In a month, with obvious headroom in the 1160ti's price and Sapphire/MSI will to take the hit to clear stock, doubtful.

I like the vega, but its obvious that the current MSI blower and Pulse cards are a stock dump.

Is there anything wrong with them being a stock dump? Or do you mean the prices could be lower again in a few months? I'm quite tempted by the Pulse card to be honest.

wotzgoingon

I doubt there will be any significant drop in the near future may 10 or 20 maybe far down the line. They are pretty cheap at the minute for what you are getting tbh.

I have a Vega 56 and I am pretty happy with the performance.

Cuddlesworth

jebidiah wrote: »

Is there anything wrong with them being a stock dump? Or do you mean the prices could be lower again in a few months? I'm quite tempted by the Pulse card to be honest.

I'm tempted too, with the games pack its a decent deal. My point is that it seems like its a temporary situation, its heavily Europe based and once stock of both models is gone, Vega 56 will probably go back up to 360+.

.G.

superg wrote: »

Took it apart today as it won't start at all now. Did the paperclip test and tested for voltage out of the pins on the 24 pin connector and I've got nothing on any of them bar one 5v one. Bought in 2015 with a 5 year warranty so time for RMA!

Back to this again! Appreciate any input.

New PSU in and it started and shut down instantly and kept doing that. I took 1 stick of ram out and it started no problem. Shut it down and tried the other stick on its own and again, started no problem so both sticks I assume are ok however it refuses to start with both sticks installed.

Bad memory or something else? It gives two short beeps on startup with one stick installed, doesn't even get as far as beeps with 2 in it. Googled 2 beeps for MSI but nothing comes up thats even remotely recent to say what it means.

wotzgoingon

Did you try one stick at a time in different sockets?

.G.

wotzgoingon wrote:

Did you try one stick at a time in different sockets?

Yeah it works with one stick in any socket, and both sticks work as long as only one of them is in at any one time. Problem arises when both are in. Tried them in the sockets they're supposed to be in and the other two.

Have ran a windows memory diagnostic on one of the sticks and it said it was fine, have to try the other one tomorrow.

wotzgoingon

Weird. It's obviously a memory issue which you know but is it a motherboard or RAM issue who knows it could also be the IMC.

.G.

Yup. Wondering now whether to start throwing money at it to try fix it or start looking at a new build. Don't particularly want to buy some ddr3 which will be of no use when it comes to a new build and may also not work if the issue is elsewhere!

It's even weirder because the ram never gave an issue while the old psu was alive!

wotzgoingon

Can you just buy a larger capacity single stick and run it single channel. Saves buying a new system and keeps it running for longer.

But try with a single stick of your own current RAM for a week or two to test stability before purchasing the new larger capacity stick.

.G.

My ram is ddr4 so won't work. Buying a single 8gb is the plan alright but it might still be waste of money if the problem is elsewhere

jebidiah

What would be a decent price to sell an MSI GTX 970?
Also a pair of Corsair 4 GB DDR4 3000MHz ram modules?

game4it70

superg wrote: »

Yup. Wondering now whether to start throwing money at it to try fix it or start looking at a new build. Don't particularly want to buy some ddr3 which will be of no use when it comes to a new build and may also not work if the issue is elsewhere!

It's even weirder because the ram never gave an issue while the old psu was alive!

Have a look to see if any of the pins on the mobo are bent.Even a bit of dust in the socket might cause weird issues.

I have some 4gb sticks of ddr3 you can borrow to test if you want.

wotzgoingon

superg wrote: »

My ram is ddr4 so won't work. Buying a single 8gb is the plan alright but it might still be waste of money if the problem is elsewhere

You can run DDR4 on single channel. You can even get a single stick of 16GB's of RAM but as I said test it in single channel with one of your current sticks for about 1 or 2 weeks to test stability.

.G.

game4it70 wrote: »

Have a look to see if any of the pins on the mobo are bent.Even a bit of dust in the socket might cause weird issues.

I have some 4gb sticks of ddr3 you can borrow to test if you want.

I'll check that and thanks for the offer. I'll try my ddr4 first and see how it goes.

wotzgoingon wrote: »

You can run DDR4 on single channel. You can even get a single stick of 16GB's of RAM but as I said test it in single channel with one of your current sticks for about 1 or 2 weeks to test stability.

I thought the notch on them is different, if it fits in I'll give it a go, thanks.

wotzgoingon

superg wrote: »

I thought the notch on them is different, if it fits in I'll give it a go, thanks.

What do you mean the notch is different. I am talking about single channel as in running the PC with just one stick as you said in previous post that there is no issues while running just one stick of RAM.

.G.

wotzgoingon wrote: »

What do you mean the notch is different. I am talking about single channel as in running the PC with just one stick as you said in previous post that there is no issues while running just one stick of RAM.

The notch on a DDR4 stick as opposed to a DDR3 stick. I read that somewhere. His PC has DDR3, mine is DDR4

wotzgoingon

superg wrote: »

The notch on a DDR4 stick as opposed to a DDR3 stick. I read that somewhere. His PC has DDR3, mine is DDR4

Oh right I thought it was your PC. Yes the notch is different on DDR3 and DDR4.

Tell him to run it single channel and it will save all the hassle of buying new more expensive components.

.G.

Yeah he's only got 4GB that way which is a bit of a problem these days, its pretty much in 90-100% usage all the time. Going to see if I can get the RAM of game4it70 and try that to see, if that works I can go ahead and buy a new set for him or 1 stick of 8GB, if not then I'll assess the options!

.G.

Did the memory test on the second stick and it came back fine too. Bloody weird. Will try some different ram and see what happens.

savemejebus

superg wrote: »

Did the memory test on the second stick and it came back fine too. Bloody weird. Will try some different ram and see what happens.

How long are you testing for? I had gskill sticks that only displayed a problem after 12 hours testing.

.G.

savemejebus wrote:

How long are you testing for? I had gskill sticks that only displayed a problem after 12 hours testing.

I just did the standard windows memory diagnostic so it only ran for ten minutes. Will be borrowing some ram at the weekend and see if that works.

TitianGerm

So after everyone talking about cases I've been looking all afternoon :pac:

I'm now considering a H500i (£99) in white or a Meshify C. Currently have a Cougar Panzar but just getting the itch to upgrade.

Will be getting sleeved cables in the next little while and maybe a AIO cooler like the NZXT X62 or similar.

savemejebus

superg wrote: »

I just did the standard windows memory diagnostic so it only ran for ten minutes. Will be borrowing some ram at the weekend and see if that works.

Maybe try downloading and running memtest86 overnight https://www.memtest86.com

Skerries

maybe try a mobo bios update as that can sometimes sort out newer memory issues

Skerries

jebidiah wrote: »

What would be a decent price to sell an MSI GTX 970?

I'd expect to get about €150 for that card

Venom

What's the best way to get rid of an old PSU? Adverts is not an option as I'm replacing it as it feels like it's on the way out and don't want the hassle of dealing with a buyer if it goes bang on them.

wotzgoingon

Skerries wrote: »

I'd expect to get about €150 for that card

You would be lucky to get 120. Don't forget 3.5GB's of RAM and it's old.

K.O.Kiki

Venom wrote: »

What's the best way to get rid of an old PSU? Adverts is not an option as I'm replacing it as it feels like it's on the way out and don't want the hassle of dealing with a buyer if it goes bang on them.

Bring it to recycling depot for electrical items, like these guys: https://recycleit.ie/Computer-Recycling.html

jebidiah

wotzgoingon wrote: »

You would be lucky to get 120. Don't forget 3.5GB's of RAM and it's old.

I'd say 150 would be a bit of a reach. But I'll list it for for that on adverts!

Honestly, the 3.5 GB of ram has not been an issue for me at all since I've had it. For 1080p gaming at 60fps it is still perfectly fine, and I'd bet it will continue to be. Sure most of my mates are running on 770's and playing over watch and apex legends with perfectly acceptable frames.

That said I bit the bullet on a Vega 56, more to push higher frames for my monitor.

Can anyone comment on the PSU requirements being 650W?? I've heard they can be under volted and am seeing conflicting reports about the required size of PSU in reality. I've got a sea sonic 520w 80+ bronze PSU currently.

wotzgoingon

jebidiah wrote: »

I'd say 150 would be a bit of a reach. But I'll list it for for that on adverts!

Honestly, the 3.5 GB of ram has not been an issue for me at all since I've had it. For 1080p gaming at 60fps it is still perfectly fine, and I'd bet it will continue to be. Sure most of my mates are running on 770's and playing over watch and apex legends with perfectly acceptable frames.

That said I bit the bullet on a Vega 56, more to push higher frames for my monitor.

Can anyone comment on the PSU requirements being 650W?? I've heard they can be under volted and am seeing conflicting reports about the required size of PSU in reality. I've got a sea sonic 520w 80+ bronze PSU currently.

I'm running 56 on a 700W PSU. If you didn't already get that 650W one then I would recommend getting a 750W. The 650W one would be fine but you may as well get a 750W one.

.G.

Skerries wrote: »

maybe try a mobo bios update as that can sometimes sort out newer memory issues

There isn't one. Last one they released was 2016. Will try the other RAM at the weekend and see but he has a good few bob saved so might end up upgrading it anyway. Its getting on 5 years old this year and he would only need a Mobo, CPU and RAM.

Inviere

How are the Ryzen cpu's for 4k gaming (obviously when paired with a 4k capable GPU)?

wotzgoingon

Inviere wrote: »

How are the Ryzen cpu's for 4k gaming (obviously when paired with a 4k capable GPU)?

Very good. Intel on has the lead at 1080p.

K.O.Kiki

Inviere wrote: »

How are the Ryzen cpu's for 4k gaming (obviously when paired with a 4k capable GPU)?

Ryzen 2600X is equal to an i7-8700K (which is double the price) as at 4K, the bottleneck is in the GPU.

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/Ryzen_5_2600X/15.html
https://www.pcper.com/reviews/Processors/Ryzen-7-2700X-and-Ryzen-5-2600X-Review-Zen-Matures/1440p-and-4K-Gaming

My Ducky One2 Mini shipped today. Really looking forward to giving it a bash.

Inviere

wotzgoingon wrote: »

Very good. Intel on has the lead at 1080p.

K.O.Kiki wrote: »

Ryzen 2600X is equal to an i7-8700K (which is double the price) as at 4K, the bottleneck is in the GPU.

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/Ryzen_5_2600X/15.html
https://www.pcper.com/reviews/Processors/Ryzen-7-2700X-and-Ryzen-5-2600X-Review-Zen-Matures/1440p-and-4K-Gaming

Sweet, appreciated folks. Planning a build for later in the year that'll be Ryzen based, has to be 4k capable though as there's a 4k Acer screen already there for it.

jebidiah

Bit of a problem with the new GPU.

Edit - reseated, all is fine....

Installed drivers ok on it, turned of off to manage cables and this was what I saw on reboot

wotzgoingon

Must have done something. Check to see if card is sitting correctly.

K.O.Kiki

Double-check the display cable wasn't knocked loose on either end.

Venom

Inviere wrote: »

Sweet, appreciated folks. Planning a build for later in the year that'll be Ryzen based, has to be 4k capable though as there's a 4k Acer screen already there for it.

The upcoming 3rd gen Ryzen 2 chips are expected to hit 5ghz so no difference between them and a current Intel setup.

K.O.Kiki

Venom wrote: »

The upcoming 3rd gen Ryzen 2 chips are expected to hit 5ghz so no difference between them and a current Intel setup.

TBH it doesn't even really matter. Just get a 2600 now & spend extra on the GPU.

Inviere

K.O.Kiki wrote: »

TBH it doesn't even really matter. Just get a 2600 now & spend extra on the GPU.

Is it worth looking at the 7's over the 5's at all, for a purely gaming setup?