Homophobic attack on London bus - mod warning, please see OP

Assetbacked · 07-06-2019 10:13pm

DubInMeath wrote: »

Yeah you can't go anywhere without groups of gay lads telling women to kiss each other etc.

Seriously is mammy still dressing you or have you managed to start to do this for yourself.

The only people who are interested in who the attackers were in terms of skin colour etc are the same ones complaining that the actual attack was reported due to the fact that the girls are a couple. In other words assholes.

You've made an assumption it wasnt a group of gays. I'm sorry, but you don't know this. As such, your following points are invalid and you appear to find it blinding to your train of thought to see that people aren't just seeing this incident solely as "homophobic attack on two lesbians by men" but discussing the incident.

If you want a little echo chamber, go to Twitter and block those who upset you like a good poster.

RIGOLO · 07-06-2019 10:14pm

Sleeper12 wrote: »

As it is irrelevant in most cases.

On the North side of Dublin there are several gangs that hop on & off the DART to cause trouble. Numbers can be 30 to 50 teenagers. Sightings of these groups are reported in real time on local Facebook groups. Every week some tit will ask are they Irish? You've had eye witnesses describe the mayhem & damage caused by the gang & someone wants to know if they are black or white. This blows me away. Is it better to have your car smashed with bars by black or white kids. Will someone genuinely sleep better knowing that their car is vandalised white kids? The mind truly Boggles

Colour & race of the attackers isn't always relevant to the assault.\\

equally
Colour & race of the attackers isnt always ir-relevant to the assault either.

martingriff · 07-06-2019 10:14pm

Deleted User wrote: »

not at all

theres no derailing, for a start? what is the "point" of the thread?

its not me thats upset that im being disagreed with, im interested- and have said so without getting into any sh1tty right wing rubbish- in why the options on a thread like this- the starting of which is in itself a position- are dont post or only post support for a specific position

thats p1ss poor stuff.

"instead of going thats awful someone was attacked" i mean whats the point of that? whats the relevance? what value to them, what value to me, what value to you, to boards?

its twee, its chaff, its vapid, its blubber. congrats you rushed to the correct position, you pass the internet righteousness fire drill.

im not shocked and offended by anything but im hugely amused that these threads, which only exist to serve as a call to useless vocal reaction, provoke so many to upset if people question what the point of it is.

and most posters getting so deliciously ~~~upset~~~ by any response that isnt cheerleading are only bristling to do so. if ye didnt get the trolls ye'd be disappointed, because ye cant be as outraged as ye like without a focal point to lash the aul j'accuse at

again: boards isnt sh1t because there are trolls. boards isnt sh1t because im not clapping in time with your designated cause du jour.

its sh1t because the quality of posting from either faction is tedious and limited in the extreme

But you did not start off with what is the point of these threads. You started off giving out they did not tell you the enithecity in the piece. It was only after people disagreed with you and asked what you meant by it at to stop speaking in riddles you started the crap of what is the point of the thread so come on and tell us straight what you mean be straight with us.

Sweetemotion · 07-06-2019 10:16pm

Sleeper12 wrote: »

As it is irrelevant in most cases.

On the North side of Dublin there are several gangs that hop on & off the DART to cause trouble. Numbers can be 30 to 50 teenagers. Sightings of these groups are reported in real time on local Facebook groups. Every week some tit will ask are they Irish? You've had eye witnesses describe the mayhem & damage caused by the gang & someone wants to know if they are black or white. This blows me away. Is it better to have your car smashed with bars by black or white kids. Will someone genuinely sleep better knowing that their car is vandalised white kids? The mind truly Boggles

Colour & race of the attackers isn't always relevant to the assault.

What planet are you living on?

Off course it's relevant to the assault.

07-06-2019 10:21pm

Assetbacked wrote: »

You've made an assumption it wasnt a group of gays. I'm sorry, but you don't know this. As such, your following points are invalid and you appear to find it blinding to your train of thought to see that people aren't just seeing this incident solely as "homophobic attack on two lesbians by men" but discussing the incident.

If you want a little echo chamber, go to Twitter and block those who upset you like a good poster.

Nope I seeing it as two women attacked by a gang of assholes and a few on here making the usual stupid comments on needing to know the colour/ethnicity of their attackers and/or complaining about the fact that the attack made the news because of the sexual orientation of the victims.

At the end of the day two women were assaulted and that's what people should be against, but their sexual orientation or the colour/ethnicity of their attackers are more important to some.

cj maxx · 07-06-2019 10:23pm

klaaaz wrote: »

2 women were bloodily beaten up by a group of men in a violent homophobic attack. Why do some men get upset, angry and offended at gay people existing, they could have just minded their own business on what other's people's sexuality is but they rather intervene in strangers lives and beat them up for being gay.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-48555889

It’s not all men who are homophobes, plenty of women too

Sleeper12 · 07-06-2019 10:24pm

Assetbacked wrote:

You've made an assumption it wasnt a group of gays. I'm sorry, but you don't know this. As such, your following points are invalid and you appear to find it blinding to your train of thought to see that people aren't just seeing this incident solely as "homophobic attack on two lesbians by men" but discussing the incident.

Let's break it down here a little. Around 5 percent of the population are gay. There is a 95 percent chance that all or most of the gang were straight. Then ask yourself how many gay men want to see two girls kiss & how many straight men want to see it. I've stumbled across porn over my 50 odd years on this planet. In just about every straight porn movie there is a girl on girl scene because straight men want to see this. How many girl on girl scenes do you suppose are in gay men porn movies?

Statistically I could win the lottery. I think the odds on a male gay gang attacking these girls are even slimmer than me winning the lotto.

07-06-2019 10:24pm

Sweetemotion wrote: »

What planet are you living on?

Off course it's relevant to the assault.

Other than providing a description to the police how is it?

Assetbacked · 07-06-2019 10:24pm

DubInMeath wrote: »
Nope I seeing it as two women attacked by a gang of assholes and a few on here making the usual stupid comments on needing to know the colour/ethnicity of their attackers and/or complaining about the fact that the attack made the news because of the sexual orientation of the victims.

At the end of the day two women were assaulted and that's what people should be against, but their sexual orientation or the colour/ethnicity of their attackers are more important to some.

Like Jessie Smolett was assaulted for being gay? This is receiving a suspiciously large amount of coverage despite being incredibly scant on details. I think it is healthy to have a certain level of scepticism and curiosity. And I think you will find that no one for one second would disagree in expressing disgust and anger at those girls being randomly assaulted.

Gimme A Pound · 07-06-2019 10:25pm

RIGOLO wrote: »

As others have stated where are all the threads for all the other crimes much more serious than this against ordinary Londoners going about their lives.
Is it because the victims were gay, are we supposed to feel a special empathy and sense of shock for them.

People are being knifed every other day in London, cos of the runners they had , cos of the bike they had, cos of the watch they had , cos of the clothes they wore, cos of the car they drove , cos of the joke they made and I don’t see any threads started for them . Pretty much every time someone gets a beating the perpretrators will make some comment to the victim, in this case it was about their sexuality, big deal.

I feel sorry for the two girls for their ordeal but to be honest I feel more sorry for many many others, victims like Nedim Bilgin (17 years old and knifed to death cos he wouldn’t hand over his bike). Wheres the thread for him and the 1000 other victims of knife crime in London in the last 5 years.

All this outrage cos some scumbags beat a few girls over the head and theres a homophobic twist to it, and the bulk of the posters didn’t care much about a 17 year old getting knifed cos he had a new bike.

And if this thread is meant to signify an interest in LGBT issues in the UK then where is the thread about the Birmingham school protests currently taking place in the UK, in Anderton shool. The head teacher is bringing in the concept of same sex relationships teaching on the curriculum and the local community as well as elements from all over Birmingham have come to stage protests for the last few weeks outside her school.
This same-sex teaching will be mandatory in all UK schools next year, as I understand, I wonder how that will play out.

Are these going to be the moments when the LGBT community gets a bit woke.
Is this where the confrontation we all knew was coming finally plays out, where LGBT intolerance meets the religion of peace intolerance.

And this week we have Lord Mayor of London Sadiq Khan an immigrant from Pakistan(a country with one of the worst human rights records in the world) is lauded by the left for not meeting Trump and insulting Trump, the same Sadiq Khan who had no problem welcoming the Chinese premier and says very little about his country of his parents origins issues.

Theres no balance to any discsuiion these days, nobody willing to grasp thorny and uncomfortable aspects of issues, its all so political correct. The news media passes over digging to the root of many crimes cos they are waiting for crimes like this to come along that fit some modern sense of outrage cos it ticks a bunch of boxes some social justice warrior with an agenda who controls the media outlet has , and we are all supposed to adopt the same outtrage.

It all reminds me of the laughable moment when the Icelandic Eurovision entry waved their Palestine flag in Israel, imagine how long they would last if Hamas got their hands on them if they were to walk thru the West Bank as they were.

Globollixation has a lot to answer for.

Some good points there. It's what some are trying to say but incapable of doing so without aggression/sneering/insults.

Iceland at Eurovision with the Palestinian flag was a joke all right. If they really felt so strongly they would not have attended. Anyone can wave a flag.

martingriff · 07-06-2019 10:25pm

Sweetemotion wrote: »

What planet are you living on?

Off course it's relevant to the assault.

So what is the relevance. Could people of different race/color just be things without a racial aspect

martingriff · 07-06-2019 10:27pm

Assetbacked wrote: »

Like Jessie Smolett was assaulted for being gay? This is receiving a suspiciously large amount of coverage despite being incredibly scant on details. I think it is healthy to have a certain level of scepticism and curiosity. And I think you will find that no one for one second would disagree in expressing disgust and anger at those girls being randomly assaulted.

I think someone needs to read up on Jessie Smolett attack there is a big reason for the attention. E.g. he may have faked it also he is famous

Sleeper12 · 07-06-2019 10:28pm

Sweetemotion wrote:

Off course it's relevant to the assault.

You'd rather it to be a racist attack rather than a homophobic attack?

How is that better or worse for the victims?

How does it change anything?

Sweetemotion · 07-06-2019 10:31pm

DubInMeath wrote: »

Other than providing a description to the police how is it?

That seems pretty relevant to me.

07-06-2019 10:31pm

martingriff wrote: »

But you did not start off with what is the point of these threads. You started off giving out they did not tell you the enithecity in the piece. It was only after people disagreed with you and asked what you meant by it at to stop speaking in riddles you started the crap of what is the point of the thread so come on and tell us straight what you mean be straight with us.

i think you have me quite muddled with another poster tbh

Assetbacked · 07-06-2019 10:32pm

martingriff wrote: »

I think someone needs to read up on Jessie Smolett attack there is a big reason for the attention. E.g. he may have faked it also he is famous

There's a lot of hype around this with flimsy details despite there being CCTV. We only have the girls stories and no other eye witnesses giving quotes...

Nobelium · 07-06-2019 10:32pm

people are assaulted worse than this every day of the week on buses in cities and it doesn't make any news.

Sleeper12 · 07-06-2019 10:33pm

Sweetemotion wrote:

That seems pretty relevant to me.

Wow

Sweetemotion · 07-06-2019 10:34pm

Sleeper12 wrote: »

You'd rather it to be a racist attack rather than a homophobic attack?

How is that better or worse for the victims?

How does it change anything?

I'd like a good description of the perpetrators who committed this attack.

Sonny noggs · 07-06-2019 10:47pm

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

There was a time when blatantly racist posters like this wouldn't last a day on here, let alone a whole month. The mods have allowed After Hours to turn into a cesspit.

You still annoyed that I called out your BS misogyny claims yesterday? You need to get out more.

Allinall · 07-06-2019 10:47pm

Nobelium wrote: »

people are assaulted worse than this every day of the week on buses in cities and it doesn't make any news.

Is there a hidden point there somewhere?

Nobelium · 07-06-2019 10:54pm

Allinall wrote: »

Is there a hidden point there somewhere?

kinda baffling why this made international news, there's worse assaults, murders and rapes on public transport in cities every day of the week, and no one gives a shyte about those victims

Sonny noggs · 07-06-2019 11:01pm

Assetbacked wrote: »

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7117059/Protesters-campaigning-against-LGBT-equality-hold-demonstration-banned.html

Maybe it's not at all surprising this attack occurred.

Sickening. Why do we lets these bigots into the West when they would rather stone us than tolerate us?

Sleeper12 · 07-06-2019 11:04pm

Nobelium wrote:

kinda baffling why this made international news, there's worse assaults, murders and rapes on public transport in cities every day of the week, and no one gives a shyte about those victims

Not so baffling if you think that someone thought it important enough to post here & we are already 20 pages in on my phone. Seems to be plenty of interest tbh

Sleeper12 · 07-06-2019 11:08pm

Sonny noggs wrote:

Sickening. Why do we lets these bigots into the West when they would rather stone us than tolerate us?

They are in Galway now?

Sonny noggs · 07-06-2019 11:16pm

Sleeper12 wrote: »

They are in Galway now?

Looks like it:

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/connachttribune.ie/man-jailed-for-racially-motivated-attack-in-broad-daylight-400/amp/

Hedgelayer · 07-06-2019 11:17pm

I think it's awful that people's sexuality has to be used in this instance.

Back in the day a lot of thugs called lads who weren't gay fgs and qeers etc

I was often called a f@g because I was a bit of a pretty boy.

Got hidings in Discos because I was getting slow sets and snogs with the attractive looking girls, obviously to the bullies I was a f@g because I have high cheekbones and nice hair....styles..

Now I'm interested in guy's and yes I'm what they suggested I was...

A f@g so what....

I think it's disgusting people have to get all upset because these ladies are gay...

Being a gay man I can handle myself, no better guy than to man up and give back more than I can take....

I'm a rugged tatoooed bearded Gay man, but I consider myself a man wholeheartedly....

I say fck you to anyone who feels sorry for me or think I'm a minority... I don't think anyone's homophobic, just ignorant and lack awareness...

I'm a homosexul, gay man..

I love men and enjoy the company of women as friends.

I'm gay

Hedgelayer · 07-06-2019 11:19pm

Nobelium wrote: »

kinda baffling why this made international news, there's worse assaults, murders and rapes on public transport in cities every day of the week, and no one gives a shyte about those victims

Exactly well said dude or dudess...

I think it's sad using one's sexuality to get sympathy....

Hobosan · 07-06-2019 11:25pm

Scum like this will attack anyone for any reason provided they outnumber you.

Perhaps these girls aren't used to being attacked and thought they were being targeted for their sexuality, but most males will know that once scum like this say one word to you, without knowing a thing about you, you're already in danger.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 07-06-2019 11:35pm

Nobelium wrote: »

kinda baffling why this made international news, there's worse assaults, murders and rapes on public transport in cities every day of the week, and no one gives a shyte about those victims

In 1998, the separate murders in the US of James Byrd Jr. and Matthew Shepard made international news because they were perceived to be hate crimes. Whilst in retrospect, the motives behind Shepard’s murder aren’t clear, Byrd’s death was a straight up hate crime of shocking brutality. Think of how many murders there would have been in the US that year. Was it right that these crimes got the attention? I’m not sure. But it doesn’t seem wrong. In the UK, a decade ago, the New Cross murders got huge amounts of attention, again for their brutality. Not the only murders that year in the UK, naturally.

Some crimes capture the imagination. This assault is far less serious than the above crimes but the distributed photo is visceral and upsetting. Anyone who has been mugged or accosted or been made to feel vulnerable in public will immediately feel for those women. And it seems they were singled out because their sexuality caught the attention of these scrotes. It’s worth highlighting.

Nobelium · 07-06-2019 11:37pm

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

In 1998, the separate murders in the US of James Byrd Jr. and Matthew Shepard made international news because they were perceived to be hate crimes. Whilst in retrospect, the motives behind Shepard’s murder aren’t clear, Byrd’s death was a straight up hate crime of shocking brutality. Think of how many murders there would have been in the US that year. Was it right that these crimes got the attention? I’m not sure. But it doesn’t seem wrong. In the UK, a decade ago, the New Cross murders got huge amounts of attention, again for their brutality. Not the only murders that year in the UK, naturally.

Some crimes capture the imagination. This assault is far less serious than the above crimes but the distributed photo is visceral and upsetting. Anyone who has been mugged or accosted or been made to feel vulnerable in public will immediately feel for those women. And it seems they were singled out because their sexuality caught the attention of these scrotes. It’s worth highlighting.

again, still not seeing the reason, there's worse assaults, murders and rapes on public transport in cities every day of the week, and again, no one gives a shyte about those victims

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 07-06-2019 11:39pm

Nobelium wrote: »

again, still not seeing the reason, there's worse assaults, murders and rapes on public transport in cities every day of the week, and no one gives a shyte about those victims

And, in the case of the above murders, there were likely other brutal murders committed in those years in the respective countries. You can’t see any reason why any of these crimes were highlighted? The randomness of the brutality perhaps?

martingriff · 07-06-2019 11:39pm

Deleted User wrote: »

i think you have me quite muddled with another poster tbh

Apologise I did.

Nobelium · 07-06-2019 11:42pm

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

And, in the case of the above murders, there were likely other brutal murders committed in those years in the respective countries. You can’t see any reason why any of these crimes were highlighted? The randomness of the brutality perhaps?

I can't see why worse crimes committed on public transport every day of the week and the victims are ignored, but this is somehow unusual rare and special enough to make international news ?

Nikki Sixx · 07-06-2019 11:43pm

Hobosan wrote: »

Scum like this will attack anyone for any reason provided they outnumber you.

Perhaps these girls aren't used to being attacked and thought they were being targeted for their sexuality, but most males will know that once scum like this say one word to you, without knowing a thing about you, you're already in danger.

This was my point also, their homosexuality was not the main reason for targeting them. They were looking for soft targets, any soft targets.

07-06-2019 11:46pm

Sweetemotion wrote: »

I'd like a good description of the perpetrators who committed this attack.

Why are you a member of the Met?

SirGerryAdams · 07-06-2019 11:48pm

Captain Flaps wrote: »

Ah yeah I forgot that Islam is the official religion in Spain, very silly of me.

It's not like muslims will be feeling sorry for these people anyways.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 07-06-2019 11:49pm

Nobelium wrote: »

I can't see why worse crimes committed on public transport every day of the week and the victims are ignored, but this is somehow unusual rare and special enough to make international news ?

What are these worse crimes? What are the stats in the UK?

07-06-2019 11:50pm

SirGerryAdams wrote: »

It's not like muslims will be feeling sorry for these people anyways.

It's not like most of the posters wanting to know the skin colour/ethnicity of the attackers do either.

SirGerryAdams · 07-06-2019 11:50pm

Why has this made international news anyways? It's an assault. There's murders that don't even make the news so I wonder why this made it. The picture has something to do with it I suppose!

circadian · 07-06-2019 11:51pm

SirGerryAdams wrote: »

It's not like muslims will be feeling sorry for these people anyways.

What's that got to do with the price of bread?

Nikki Sixx · 07-06-2019 11:51pm

SirGerryAdams wrote: »

Why has this made international news anyways? It's an assault. There's murders that don't even make the news so I wonder why this made it. The picture has something to do with it I suppose!

I’m sure people get a beating in Dublin, Cork, Galway and Limerick everyday without making the news.

Nobelium · 08-06-2019 12:13am

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

What are these worse crimes? What are the stats in the UK?

Key statistics from police recorded crimes in 2017 :

57,600 rapes recorded by police in 2018 (157 per day)
39,598 offences involving a knife or sharp instrument (108 per day)
6,604 offences involving firearms - up from 5,864 in 2016 (18 per day)
688 homicides (nearly 2 per day)

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/rape-prosecution-england-wales-victims-court-cps-police-a8885961.html
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-43905407

All of them worse than this incident, and yet this one makes international news , so what's so rare, special and newsworthy about it exactly ?

Gimme A Pound · 08-06-2019 12:17am

SirGerryAdams wrote: »

It's not like muslims will be feeling sorry for these people anyways.

Strange. Did someone say they will?

Hobosan · 08-06-2019 12:17am

Nikki Sixx wrote: »

I’m sure people get a beating in Dublin, Cork, Galway and Limerick everyday without making the news.

The amount of deranged and sometimes murderous psychos I've encountered leaves me bemused at the homophobia angle.

Girls attacked by violent deranged psychos would be more accurate. But that happens all the time, and the perpetrators are probably well known by the locals too.

Hedgelayer · 08-06-2019 12:19am

Nobelium wrote: »

Key statistics from police recorded crimes in 2017 :

57,600 rapes recorded by police in 2018 (157 per day)
39,598 offences involving a knife or sharp instrument (108 per day)
6,604 offences involving firearms - up from 5,864 in 2016 (18 per day)
688 homicides (nearly 2 per day)

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/rape-prosecution-england-wales-victims-court-cps-police-a8885961.html
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-43905407

All of them worse than this incident, and yet this one makes international news , so what's so rare, special and newsworthy about it exactly ?

It's just fodder for the perpetually outraged and people who look at gays as if they're different or need special treatment...

I'm a gay man and I think it's pathetic.

Bunch of whiners making an issue about a few knobs attacking people...

There's scuffles going on all over the place.
I was in a gay bar in Manchester a few times and if you seen the scraps there, some of those gay guys are hard nuts....

They can fight as agressively as any other man.

DrPhilG · 08-06-2019 12:26am

B0jangles wrote: »

After Hours these days is 99% a cesspit of racist, sexist, homophobic bigots plus those who just want to protect the right of racist, sexist homophobic bigots to speak their minds, for ideological reasons.

Is it? I honestly don't understand where this theory comes from. Yes there are some far right assholes, but there are also some far left assholes.

But overall my impression as a fairly infrequent visitor/contributor is that AH is a predominantly left leaning area.

Look at this thread as an example, yes one or 2 go straight for the "must have been a Muslim" angle, but the majority of the posts have been condemning that approach.

Maybe AH has a regular group of far right posters who make a lot of noise, but I would certainly feel that in terms of "population" its a more left leaning crowd.

Billy Mays · 08-06-2019 12:26am

Hedgelayer wrote: »

It's just fodder for the perpetually outraged and people who look at gays as if they're different or need special treatment...

I'm a gay man and I think it's pathetic.

Bunch of whiners making an issue about a few knobs attacking people...

There's scuffles going on all over the place.
I was in a gay bar in Manchester a few times and if you seen the scraps there, some of those gay guys are hard nuts....

They can fight as agressively as any other man.

Yeah but these were 2 women so a bit different to some tough lads in a bar

Nobelium · 08-06-2019 12:32am

Billy Mays wrote: »

Yeah but these were 2 women so a bit different to some tough lads in a bar

women being attacked is so unusual it makes an individual international headline?

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 08-06-2019 12:34am

Nobelium wrote: »

Key statistics from police recorded crimes in 2017 :

57,600 rapes recorded by police in 2018 (157 per day)
39,598 offences involving a knife or sharp instrument (108 per day)
6,604 offences involving firearms - up from 5,864 in 2016 (18 per day)
688 homicides (nearly 2 per day)

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/rape-prosecution-england-wales-victims-court-cps-police-a8885961.html
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-43905407

All of them worse than this incident, and yet this one makes international news , so what's so rare, special and newsworthy about it exactly ?

I was interested in the bolded bit below:

Nobelium wrote: »

I can't see why worse crimes committed on public transport every day of the week and the victims are ignored, but this is somehow unusual rare and special enough to make international news ?

I should have made that clearer. What are the stats on crimes on public transport? You did specify.

Homophobic attack on London bus - mod warning, please see OP

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