VW e-Golf

Third_Echelon · 10-09-2019 4:56pm

pobber1 wrote: »

I got an eGolf Executive three weeks ago and so far it's been a bit of a revelation. I moved from a long line of petrol and diesel cars and I was a bit apprehensive about losing the "driving experience" but now I can't ever see myself driving anything but electric again. The car is a pleasure to drive and I look forward to driving it.

I'd echo the above, for short runs it's ideal. I drive about 20-30km a day around town and the Golf is perfect for that. I've driven more than that the last three weeks as I've been going out for spins just because its new and I like driving it.

So far I've done a mix of home charging and public charging. I can't say I've hit any issues with chargers not working just yet but it's only been a few weeks, I've used 5 different chargers in different locations and all have worked for me.
One problem I have had is because the charge port on the golf is at the rear and depending on which charging spot is already occupied and can't get the charge cable to reach, maybe I'm doing something wrong. For example, I stopped at a charge point, when I arrived there was an eNiro parked in the right bay using the CCS. I thought okay I'll use the AC so I drove straight in but the cable wouldn't reach, I tried reversing in but it still wouldn't reach.

I did my first "long" run in it last weekend, about 170km (most of which was motorway). The cars GOM was telling me it would make it and I'd have 30km to spare if I drove at 110km. I didn't want to risk it as I'm still not 100% confident that the car will do what it says so I stopped for a charge. I tried driving at 120km and watched as the GOM dropped at speed.

They are very expensive for what they are, I bought it as a company car so that takes the sting out of the price. I've yet to see another one on the road so I'm enjoying the exclusivity

I posted this on the price reduction thread, but thought the core thread might find the experience useful to compare against. Question in that thread was about range anxiety over a 160/170 km round trip:

On short commutes, slow traffic, urban roads, i get 150 miles/240 kms range consistently. That is 99% of my usage.

Sometimes (couple of times per year on average) i do a roundtrip of 92 miles/148 Kms door to door motorway at 65 to 70 mph/105 to 113 Kmph. With a full charge starting out I had 34 miles/54 KMs of range left when i got home.

That would suggest at a constant speed of let's say 113 Kmph, you'd get ~202 KMs range from a full charge.

This trip as mentioned is door to door motorway at constant high speed, so if you have a bit of motorway, a bit of mixed driving, the results above may differ, but a decent indication anyway for pure motorway driving.

This was in a 2019 eGolf, weather conditions warm around 22 Celsius.

The 160 or 170 KM commute would be doable if you can charge at home every night. Even more doable if you have a charging option at work.

I also see someone mention here that D is better than B on motorway to take advantage of coasting. I did the above journey in B. Next time I’ll do it in D to see if there is a noticeable difference.

liamog · 10-09-2019 5:55pm

Mod Note: Merged the e-Golf price reduction thread into this one

nkay1985 · 22-09-2019 9:05pm

Hi guys.

I'm close to the point of deciding whether or not to pull the trigger on a e-Golf and was just interested in people's thoughts. From experience, what's it like as a car to own? What kind of real range would a full battery get (assuming mixed driving, typically no motorway though)? What are the positives/negatives of the car?

I would be going for a Comfortline as I wouldn't be able to stretch to the Executive.

I've seen "car connect" in the brochure. Is this basically Android Auto/Apple Car Play? Is there an app for the e-Golf to remotely monitor charging etc?

Anything any body thinks is relevant when thinking about buying one of these would be great really as I always felt they were overpriced so, as a result, don't know nearly as much about them as the Leaf/Ionic, but the €5k price reduction and 0% PCP suddenly makes it a possibility.

Thanks.

KCross · 22-09-2019 10:24pm

nkay1985 wrote: »

Anything any body thinks is relevant when thinking about buying one of these would be great really as I always felt they were overpriced so, as a result, don't know nearly as much about them as the Leaf/Ionic, but the €5k price reduction and 0% PCP suddenly makes it a possibility.

Thanks.

I cant answer any of your questions but personally I think its still overpriced even with the €5k reduction.

What is the OTR price to you? €32k?

1yr after you buy it the newer, longer range ID.3 model will be out for less money (<€30k)... thats going to affect your depreciation of the eGolf even if your eGolf is higher spec.... range is king when it comes to EV's.

nkay1985 · 22-09-2019 10:40pm

KCross wrote: »

I cant answer any of your questions but personally I think its still overpriced even with the €5k reduction.

What is the OTR price to you? €32k?

1yr after you buy it the newer, longer range ID.3 model will be out for less money (<€30k)... thats going to affect your depreciation of the eGolf even if your eGolf is higher spec.... range is king when it comes to EV's.

Yeah that's a huge consideration for me. I had been planning to wait for the ID3 or Seat el Born but the €5k reduction is significant and has at least made me think about it. OTR is just over €32k including tech pack I think.

charlieIRL · 22-09-2019 10:42pm

nkay1985 wrote: »

Yeah that's a huge consideration for me. I had been planning to wait for the ID3 or Seat el Born but the €5k reduction is significant and has at least made me think about it. OTR is just over €32k including tech pack I think.

Why don’t you PCP one and then when the ID3 becomes available in all battery sizes trade the golf back in for one? That’s what I’m doing.

nkay1985 · 22-09-2019 10:59pm

charlieIRL wrote: »

Why don’t you PCP one and then when the ID3 becomes available in all battery sizes trade the golf back in for one? That’s what I’m doing.

Yeah, if I'm going for it that'll be the plan alright. The only slight fly in the ointment is that I prefer the look of the el Born to the ID3 and you'll get more for your money with it being a Seat. But I reckon a VW dealer will give a better price for an e-Golf than a Seat one.

Just to ask, what is it about the e-Golf that made you go for one?

charlieIRL · 22-09-2019 11:36pm

nkay1985 wrote: »

Just to ask, what is it about the e-Golf that made you go for one?

Few things. Really liked the way it drove. When I eventually got a decent spin in one it sealed the deal.
Also visuals, I have to like the look of a car inside and outside. I honestly wasn’t gone on the leafs looks even though it’s a lovely car to drive. There wasn’t any Ioniq’s available to test drive in any garages.
Also what I mentioned above, am interested in an ID3 as well.

One other thing why I went with VW is that if an EV isn’t working for me, because it’s a PCP, the garage said they will take it back and I can change back to an ICE if I really have to, they said it’s no problem at all. I don’t like any other offerings from Nissan or Hyundai so VW won again.......hopefully!!
Am collecting mine this week.

unkel · 22-09-2019 11:59pm

nkay1985 wrote: »

Yeah that's a huge consideration for me. I had been planning to wait for the ID3 or Seat el Born but the €5k reduction is significant and has at least made me think about it. OTR is just over €32k including tech pack I think.

That really isn't a bad price at this time for a very good EV. Plenty of fools paid the like of €37k for one recently.

Quite likely we will see a €30k ID.3 with more range, but from all we have heard and seen from Frankfurt, it won't be on a par interior quality wise with a Golf, although it will be bigger and have more range. That car is unlikely to be available in Ireland until 2021 though, that's some time away.

With EVs, you can forever sit on the fence and wait for the next best offering. But the speed of change is slow. Very slow.

nkay1985 · 23-09-2019 12:15am

unkel wrote: »

That really isn't a bad price at this time for a very good EV. Plenty of fools paid the like of €37k for one recently.

Quite likely we will see a €30k ID.3 with more range, but from all we have heard and seen from Frankfurt, it won't be on a par interior quality wise with a Golf, although it will be bigger and have more range. That car is unlikely to be available in Ireland until 2021 though, that's some time away.

With EVs, you can forever sit on the fence and wait for the next best offering. But the speed of change is slow. Very slow.

Yeah, you're completely right on that. I was thinking about EVs when I bought my car in 2016, then gave it serious consideration when my PCP was up for decision in May but, each time, just really felt the cars weren't worth the money and I don't do enough distance for fuel savings to justify those prices. But this is making me think very seriously. Realistically, if I don't go for this now, I'll be waiting two years to change to an ID3 or el-Born.

unkel · 23-09-2019 12:20am

Even though the El Born will be cheaper to buy in 2 years time than the eGolf is now, that doesn't mean the eGolf will depreciate like mad. I only do average mileage myself (16k km per year) so my fuel saving wasn't huge. But looking back I made the right decision buying new and my EV has depreciated very little. There will be strong demand for second hand EVs for a very long time as people will transition to EVs and of course not everyone will be able to afford brand new cars. Look what happened at the value of an early Leaf with serious battery degradation. You could buy one 2 years ago for €4k, now the same car, two years older can fetch €6k

kris_2021 · 23-09-2019 9:17am

Are they giving scrappage or trade in offers on egolf also?

charlieIRL · 23-09-2019 10:36am

kris_2021 wrote: »

Are they giving scrappage or trade in offers on egolf also?

Not that I know of.

KCross · 23-09-2019 12:04pm

unkel wrote: »

Even though the El Born will be cheaper to buy in 2 years time than the eGolf is now, that doesn't mean the eGolf will depreciate like mad. I only do average mileage myself (16k km per year) so my fuel saving wasn't huge. But looking back I made the right decision buying new and my EV has depreciated very little. There will be strong demand for second hand EVs for a very long time as people will transition to EVs and of course not everyone will be able to afford brand new cars. Look what happened at the value of an early Leaf with serious battery degradation. You could buy one 2 years ago for €4k, now the same car, two years older can fetch €6k

My depreciation concerns on the eGolf are twofold.... the ID.3 should be on our roads for Jan 2021 (excluding 1st edition models which are Summer 2020). Thats really only 12 months away for nkay1985 as presumably they are looking at a Jan 2020 eGolf? Thats not long at all.

Secondly, there is a new mk Golf due out (Mk8, i think?). Thats going to make the eGolf look very dated in 2020, not to mind 2021.

I'm not putting the eGolf down. Great car by all accounts, I just dont think its worth the money even with the extra €5k off.

Lets say in 2021 I am in the market for an EV..... Do I buy a <€30k ID.3 or a secondhand eGolf. If I am buying a secondhand eGolf then it HAS to be priced several thousand below the price of a new similar spec ID.3... I cant see how it could come in at anything else.... it will be the old style Golf with lower range!

Would you pay, lets say, €25k for a Jan 2020 eGolf in Jan 2021 or would you buy the new ID.3 for <€30k? I'd buy the ID.3 all day long. The eGolf would need to be <€20k to tempt me away from a new ID.3.

We all know EV depreciation is holdng up very well but thats a temporary thing right now, in the context of 2021 and a raft of new EV's and in particular VW selling the ID.3 in volume it can only have a negative effect on eGolf residuals. Its still about €3k too expensive, imo.

unkel · 23-09-2019 1:34pm

I don't disagree with any of that, but will we really have readily available RHD ID.3 for under €30k on the road by January 2021? Seems optimistic and we have all been too optimistic for nearly all EV launches over the past few years. Optimistic about time and about money.

And EV depreciation is of course temporary but might last for another good few years, but I agree in your above scenario the 2020 eGolf will suffer a good bout of depreciation in its first year. But very little after that. And I'm sure no one wants to buy an eGolf now and change again next year. It matters little if you plan to keep the car for several yaers. And as mass production of EVs is only starting and we already know that the majority of people want EVs, the values should stay solid:

"Majority of motorists thinking about switching to electric vehicle in next five years"

Linky

KCross · 23-09-2019 2:05pm

unkel wrote: »

I don't disagree with any of that, but will we really have readily available RHD ID.3 for under €30k on the road by January 2021? Seems optimistic and we have all been too optimistic for nearly all EV launches over the past few years. Optimistic about time and about money.

Isnt production of the ID.3 1st edition starting in Nov 2019 with Summer 2020 deliveries with the reservation holders having until Apr 2020 to confirm their orders. That seems fairly well stated by VW at this stage. I dont think they'll renege on that commitment at this stage... thats only months away.

They also said that once those 1st editions are sold you can then buy any model you like (i.e their configurator will be open to everyone) and 2021 is supposed to be the year they make 100k ID.3's so unless VW are lying about the whole thing I'd say early 2021 is a reasonable bet.

KCross · 23-09-2019 2:08pm

unkel wrote: »

And EV depreciation is of course temporary but might last for another good few years, but I agree in your above scenario the 2020 eGolf will suffer a good bout of depreciation in its first year. But very little after that. And I'm sure no one wants to buy an eGolf now and change again next year. It matters little if you plan to keep the car for several yaers. And as mass production of EVs is only starting and we already know that the majority of people want EVs, the values should stay solid:

True that you are unlikely to sell it after 1 year unless you are a sucker for punishment but I do think it matters as it will effect resale in year 2 or 3 or 4... its all connected and the ID.3 price is going to set the bar for eGolf resale values.... in a similar way to how you expected Model S values to drop once Model 3 started being delivered to the UK... not much different except in VW's case its a direct like for like car, so even more likely/relevant.

unkel · 23-09-2019 2:35pm

From what I have seen from Frankfurt, the ID.3 seems a lower quality product than the eGolf. It's roomier inside and it has more range, but that's all the positives out of the way. The design of the ID.3 is quite conservative, just like the Golfs have been for decades. A €32k eGolf will take a depreciation hit when the ID.3 becomes available in 2021, but after that I expect the absolute depreciation figures in year 2, 3, etc to be lower than those of an ID.3

KCross · 23-09-2019 3:29pm

unkel wrote: »

From what I have seen from Frankfurt, the ID.3 seems a lower quality product than the eGolf. It's roomier inside and it has more range, but that's all the positives out of the way.....

faster charging, more powerful motor, better connectivity.....

Anyone looking at an ID.3 and an eGolf side by side in 2021 is not going to say "It's roomier inside and it has more range, but that's all the positives out of the way..."

Depreciation is impossible to predict so nkay1985 will have to make up his own mind. Certainly €32k is more palatable than €37k and if he keeps it for, say, 5yrs the depreciation hit should be easier to absorb.

celtic_oz · 23-09-2019 3:37pm

Kia Niro Electric Compact SUV Suggests Big Volkswagen Error

As the rapturous reviews for Volkswagen’s new electric sedan, the ID.3, died down at the Frankfurt Auto Show where it made its debut earlier this month, the question was raised; why wasn’t it an SUV? The ID.3, designed from the ground up to be all-electric, is on the small side, and roughly equivalent to the Golf family sedan.

The Kia e-Niro is a small SUV, and although it is built on an already existing gasoline/diesel model, it has the extra room and height which Europeans now crave. It has a big 64 kWh battery and develops 200 hp, thrusting it from rest to 60 mph in an impressive 7.5 seconds. The range claimed is about 280 miles. On a recent test drive, I can confirm that was obtainable. The e-Niro is priced at about 36,000 pounds ($45,000) after tax and before a government grant of 3,500 pounds ($4,400). The closest competitors in this SUV sector are the Audi e-Tron, which costs more than twice as much, and the Jaguar I-Pace, which is almost as expensive.

youreadthat · 23-09-2019 4:10pm

Don’t really get that article, missed its mark a tad....

unkel · 23-09-2019 8:30pm

KCross wrote: »

faster charging

Nope. Just 50kW charging as standard. More power and RWD are nice to me, but most people wouldn't care as they would be more than happy with the performance of the eGolf

KCross · 23-09-2019 8:45pm

unkel wrote: »

Nope. Just 50kW charging as standard. More power and RWD are nice to me, but most people wouldn't care as they would be more than happy with the performance of the eGolf

Just saying there is more to the ID.3 than range and interior space like you said.
You're really talking down the ID.3. I sense you're disapointed with it?!

I'd hold your fire until you see a production model in the flesh yourself. I think Bjorn said some of the panels on the demo cars were not production level yet.

I'd bet an ID.3 spec'd up to the price of an eGolf will be significantly better in most metrics you care to pick. Before parting with €32k on an eGolf I'd at least wait for pricing and spec details of the ID.3 from VW Ireland.

If nkay1985 cant wait until 2021 then fair enough, at least he is going in with his eyes open.

KCross · 23-09-2019 9:02pm

nkay1985 wrote: »

Yeah the website hasn't been updated yet but the reduction is definitely there. I just got the attached from Laharts in Kilkenny.

nkay.... i just see your attachment now... your OTR price is actually €34k, not €32k??

Dempsey · 23-09-2019 9:41pm

nkay1985 wrote: »

Hi guys.

I'm close to the point of deciding whether or not to pull the trigger on a e-Golf and was just interested in people's thoughts. From experience, what's it like as a car to own? What kind of real range would a full battery get (assuming mixed driving, typically no motorway though)? What are the positives/negatives of the car?

I would be going for a Comfortline as I wouldn't be able to stretch to the Executive.

I've seen "car connect" in the brochure. Is this basically Android Auto/Apple Car Play? Is there an app for the e-Golf to remotely monitor charging etc?

Anything any body thinks is relevant when thinking about buying one of these would be great really as I always felt they were overpriced so, as a result, don't know nearly as much about them as the Leaf/Ionic, but the €5k price reduction and 0% PCP suddenly makes it a possibility.

Thanks.

I pulled the trigger on an 2nd hand eGolf a few weeks ago and I have/had a reservation on the ID3. No regrets so far

My commute is 180km round trip each day. 40% Motorway/60% National Roads and I get to work with about 50-60% battery. So light charge at home and full charge at work. The maths for the ID3 just didnt work out for me. My running costs have stayed the same despite buying a car 13 years newer than what I had.

There is an App & Online Site for monitoring the charge, adjusting the charge schedule, driving statistics etc and it has android auto/apple car play aswell

If you are getting the comfortline, I'd still look for the active display & keyless entry.

Any other questions, let me know

23-09-2019 9:53pm

Dempsey wrote: »

I pulled the trigger on an 2nd hand eGolf a few weeks ago and I have/had a reservation on the ID3. No regrets so far

Well done, best of luck !

unkel · 23-09-2019 10:41pm

KCross wrote: »

Just saying there is more to the ID.3 than range and interior space like you said.
You're really talking down the ID.3. I sense you're disapointed with it?!

Nah, it could well be my next car, I've the deposit down

Normally when a car is introduced at as big a show as Frankfurt with as much scrutiny the ID.3 is getting, I'd say that car is as close to 100% as the production cars as possible, but yeah, I should reserve some judgement until I've actually test driven it myself.

Third_Echelon · 23-09-2019 10:50pm

With the information we've seen from Frankfurt in terms of look, spec, some better info on prices, I think the depreciation of an eGolf that people were talking about pre-Frankfurt won't be as much as expected. The eGolf is first and foremost, a Golf! The interior product, even on the cheaper model is excellent. It's a well finished product that is great to drive in the EV version. Irish market new price for an eGolf is a tad high as most cars are, but it's still a great EV option and fits most people's daily commute type usage.

Realistically it will be probably mid-2021 before you can walk in off the street to an Irish VW dealer, order the RHD ID.3 that you want and have it delivered in a few weeks (or from existing forecourt stock). That's still just under 2 years away. That's plenty of great driving in an eGolf, which will then be a perfect trade-in for an ID.3 if it floats your boat then.

I like the exterior of the ID.3. It's a good looking car. The interior lets it down a bit in certain places. Would definitely need to see one in the flesh and get a good test drive.

One of the nicest 'features' of the eGolf for me is getting a good distance of coasting in D mode, then dropping into B to come to a red light to get some of that regen braking. It's very easy with the traditional auto gear shifter placement. Won't be so much in the ID.3 with the gear selector being that stalk thing on the dash :-(

unkel · 23-09-2019 11:21pm

I reckon the fact that the eGolf looks and feels like a normal car (not an EV) is what will appeal to its target market in a few years time when it comes onto the second hand market. Indeed the conventional automatic gear lever is one of those features.

Third_Echelon · 24-09-2019 12:16am

unkel wrote: »

I reckon the fact that the eGolf looks and feels like a normal car (not an EV) is what will appeal to its target market in a few years time when it comes onto the second hand market. Indeed the conventional automatic gear lever is one of those features.

Yeah definitely! It's what attracted me to it (personally don't like the look of the Leaf) and other options were a bit too 'space age'. The mass appeal of the Golf platform means that it has a lot going for it on the future second hand market!

charlieIRL · 24-09-2019 9:30am

Third_Echelon wrote: »

Yeah definitely! It's what attracted me to it (personally don't like the look of the Leaf) and other options were a bit too 'space age'. The mass appeal of the Golf platform means that it has a lot going for it on the future second hand market!

Same here.

KCross · 24-09-2019 12:40pm

- Is there a way to tell externally/internally from dealer pics whether an eGolf from 2017 has the 24kWh or 35kWh battery?
- Are all 2018 eGolfs the 35kWh version or did that changeover happen at some other time?
- When the new 35kWh model came out did the price remain the same and they just stopped making the 24kWh version?

2017 models on DoneDeal right now are asking about €22k from dealers so thats high enough depreciation in 2 years. Just saying!

charlieIRL · 24-09-2019 1:55pm

KCross wrote: »

- Is there a way to tell externally/internally from dealer pics whether an eGolf from 2017 has the 24kWh or 35kWh battery?
- Are all 2018 eGolfs the 35kWh version or did that changeover happen at some other time?
- When the new 35kWh model came out did the price remain the same and they just stopped making the 24kWh version?

2017 models on DoneDeal right now are asking about €22k from dealers so thats high enough depreciation in 2 years. Just saying!

The blue strip under the headlights on the 2017 24kWh model is different to the 36kWh 2018 model. I’ll see can I find pics.

AFAIK all 2018’s are 36kWh but be careful of late reg 24’s. Some old stock might have been registered in 2018.

2017 is 114bhp and 2018 on is 136bhp too

KCross · 24-09-2019 2:08pm

charlieIRL wrote: »

The blue strip under the headlights on the 2017 24kWh model is different to the 36kWh 2018 model. I’ll see can I find pics.

AFAIK all 2018’s are 36kWh but be careful of late reg 24’s. Some old stock might have been registered in 2018.

2017 is 114bhp and 2018 on is 136bhp too

Is it fair to say that ALL 2017's are the 24kWh model?

charlieIRL · 24-09-2019 2:10pm

KCross wrote: »

Is it fair to say that ALL 2017's are the 24kWh model?

Yes I would say so.

Shefwedfan · 24-09-2019 3:04pm

KCross wrote: »

Is it fair to say that ALL 2017's are the 24kWh model?

No :P

If originally Irish then they are only the 26kWh

If UK then some of the later 2017 models are 36kWh versions

Electric autos had a 2017 36kWh model for sale earlier this year, even Phil rang me as he wasnt sure which battery was in it :-)

Third_Echelon · 24-09-2019 3:25pm

KCross wrote: »

2017 models on DoneDeal right now are asking about €22k from dealers so thats high enough depreciation in 2 years. Just saying!

Probably the older/smaller battery model.

KCross · 24-09-2019 3:39pm

Shefwedfan wrote: »

No :P

If originally Irish then they are only the 26kWh

If UK then some of the later 2017 models are 36kWh versions

Electric autos had a 2017 36kWh model for sale earlier this year, even Phil rang me as he wasnt sure which battery was in it :-)

ok, so the longer range model came out in 172 but vast majority are 181+?

Is there a visual way to see what battery is in it. charlieIRL mentioned a blue strip or something.... does that show you its the longer range model? Any pics of the difference?

Third_Echelon wrote: »

Probably the older/smaller battery model.

One of them was definitely a 171 so the shorter range battery but still heavy depreciation either way as that was still a €37k car when new?

2018 models just took a €5k hit with the recent price reductions and I think the release of ID.3 will further reduce it again in Jan 2021.

Shefwedfan · 24-09-2019 3:54pm

KCross wrote: »

ok, so the longer range model came out in 172 but vast majority are 181+?

Is there a visual way to see what battery is in it. charlieIRL mentioned a blue strip or something.... does that show you its the longer range model? Any pics of the difference?

One of them was definitely a 171 so the shorter range battery but still heavy depreciation either way as that was still a €37k car when new?

2018 models just took a €5k hit with the recent price reductions and I think the release of ID.3 will further reduce it again in Jan 2021.

Ireland didnt get it till 181 but in the UK they had some at end of 17 so would be 172 plate

How to work it out. :P not too simple. They look the exact same apart from the console inside is the new model which supports apple car play and has less buttons. Also the range of course.

The blue strip is on both. From the outside of my 192 you would not be able to tell any difference from the 151 I had.....well apart from the colour of course.

The 5k is to sell off the stock, I doubt they will be manufacturing many eGolf from now till the ID....just fill out any orders. Especially for right hand models. The US will continue to have the eGolf as the ID is not released with them......

KCross · 24-09-2019 4:09pm

Shefwedfan wrote: »

How to work it out. :P not too simple. They look the exact same apart from the console inside is the new model which supports apple car play and has less buttons. Also the range of course.

Thanks, I see it now. The buttons on the right of the console are not there in the newer model and the speedo/dash looks different too.

charlieIRL · 24-09-2019 4:14pm

KCross wrote: »

Thanks, I see it now. The buttons on the right of the console are not there in the newer model and the speedo/dash looks different too.

The digital dash is an option on a new one but standard on an Executive.

Apologies if I got it wrong on the blue strip under the lights, I thought the early one was continious whereas the new one is around each LED like this.......

KCross · 24-09-2019 4:36pm

charlieIRL, they do look slightly different but they do wrap around both in the 171 here as well
https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/volkswagen-golf-1-4-e1-dsg-sat-nav-alloy-wheels/22814791

Third_Echelon · 24-09-2019 5:55pm

US Models seem to be a bit different. My 2019 doesn't have the blue around the headlight cells.

Nothing when no power:

Then low level LED strips when powered on:

Third_Echelon · 25-09-2019 9:22pm

https://media.vw.com/releases/1186

The US will get a new 2020 model, presumably as there will be no ID.3 in North America. I wonder if it will use the new Golf Mark 8 look?!

e-Golf

The 2020 e-Golf is available in two trims: SE and SEL Premium. The Driver Assistance Package, previously optional, is now standard for both models, and includes Front Assist, Blind Spot Monitor, Rear Traffic Alert, and Adaptive Cruise Control.

Shefwedfan · 25-09-2019 9:26pm

Third_Echelon wrote: »

https://media.vw.com/releases/1186

The US will get a new 2020 model, presumably as there will be no ID.3 in North America. I wonder if it will use the new Golf Mark 8 look?!

The US get a "new" model every year....

In reality it is not new, it's just a newer spec on them.....

VW will never release a Mark 8 eGolf.....

On the "new" model they are just giving better spec

The 2020 e-Golf is available in two trims: SE and SEL Premium. The Driver Assistance Package, previously optional, is now standard for both models, and includes Front Assist, Blind Spot Monitor, Rear Traffic Alert, and Adaptive Cruise Control.

Third_Echelon · 25-09-2019 9:34pm

Shefwedfan wrote: »

The US get a "new" model every year....

In reality it is not new, it's just a newer spec on them.....

VW will never release a Mark 8 eGolf.....

On the "new" model they are just giving better spec

The 2020 e-Golf is available in two trims: SE and SEL Premium. The Driver Assistance Package, previously optional, is now standard for both models, and includes Front Assist, Blind Spot Monitor, Rear Traffic Alert, and Adaptive Cruise Control.

Sometimes there is an incremental upgrade, but sometimes there is a completely new model. Probably unlikely that they will use the Mark 8, but would be great to see!

Shefwedfan · 25-09-2019 10:19pm

Third_Echelon wrote: »

Sometimes there is an incremental upgrade, but sometimes there is a completely new model. Probably unlikely that they will use the Mark 8, but would be great to see!

VW have already confirmed many years ago it would never happen. The eGolf is over now and the only versions of the Mark 8 would be PHEV, mild hybrid etc

ID will take over. The US is not getting the ID.3 but VW said that years ago so no surprise. They always said US would get the Crozz as the US market doesn't buy cars.

Third_Echelon · 25-09-2019 10:32pm

Shefwedfan wrote: »

They always said US would get the Crozz as the US market doesn't buy cars.

SUVs are very popular of course, but there are still a significant number of regular car models bought each year. I think ID.3 would have been a good seller in the US. The Chevy Bolt, Nissan Leaf, eGolf size EVs are very popular (in California anyway). VW might have missed a trick on that! But definitely, replacing the family sized car (which is SUV dominated these days) with a decent hybrid or EV is a growth area where there aren't too many options right now. The Chrysler Pacifica PHEV is starting to do quite well. Very nice indeed for the family!

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JohnC. · 26-09-2019 5:36am

That size is dying there. Ford announced they will no longer make anything smaller than a crossover or SUV for the US, with the exception of Mustang.

Third_Echelon · 26-09-2019 5:48am

JohnC. wrote: »

That size is dying there. Ford announced they will no longer make anything smaller than a crossover or SUV for the US, with the exception of Mustang.

Yeah, Ford made that move as they were making mediocre cars that weren’t selling, plus then they were reselling the exact same models under their Lincoln brand with just a different grill and badge.

Ford Taurus was a gas guzzling dog. The standard Focus in the US is really subpar vs the Euro models. The Fiesta and Focus ST actually did well, but were niche as they only did a manual gearbox. Their equivalent of the Mondeo (Fusion) is actually really good. The Fusion hybrid and PHEV models are popular.

Their F-150 truck sells one every minute or something ridiculous like that, so they are backing their most profitable horse.

Kia, Hyundai, Toyota, Nissan, Honda/Acura, Mazda, VW etc all do pretty well selling their compacts and saloons. I don’t have their selling stats to hand, but I notice cars when I’m out and about and Pickups & SUVs would probably makeup 50%, but your regular compact or saloon is the other half.

Getting a little off topic, but interesting all the same.

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