VW e-Golf

kris_2021

KCross wrote: »

Who knows, but doubtful, imo.

Its a run-out model so they are really just incentivising it before deliveries of ID.3 start in May 2020... at some point prior to that they will probably stop making eGolfs and that will be that.

At €29k I'd say its at rock bottom and reasonable value.

But only if u have old car. My 2010 insignia doesn't meet this scrappage scheme criteria. And there is no 0% this way. And I want executive model

charlieIRL

kris_2021 wrote: »

But only if u have old car. My 2010 insignia doesn't meet this scrappage scheme criteria. And there is no 0% this way. And I want executive model

Swap ya an 04 A4!!

I got the executive as well, glad I went for it over the comfortline. Remember the range is slightly less as well. If you can afford it, get the heat pump.

kris_2021

charlieIRL wrote: »

Swap ya an 04 A4!!

I got the executive as well, glad I went for it over the comfortline. Remember the range is slightly less as well. If you can afford it, get the heat pump.

Did u buy after price drop? What range r u getting? Would love heat pump but that is another 1000 and egolf is already stretching my budget. What colour?

charlieIRL

kris_2021 wrote: »

Did u buy after price drop? What range r u getting? Would love heat pump but that is another 1000 and egolf is already stretching my budget. What colour?

I did

I was getting 210kms at first 3 weeks ago but with the colder weather it’s dropped to 180 and was less yesterday and I didn’t even use the heater.
Range drops a huge amount without heat pump when you turn on the heating, as much as 50kms

I got mine in Atlantic blue. I’ve had 4 grey cars, 3 black ones so wanted a change in colour.

loopymum

Really interesting thread, after reading the whole thread, I think an egolf might be for us.

Looking up heatpumps, we don't do huge mileages so I'm undecided about them and whether to go for one or not? What other extras are worth having?

Dempsey

loopymum wrote: »

Really interesting thread, after reading the whole thread, I think an egolf might be for us.

Looking up heatpumps, we don't do huge mileages so I'm undecided about them and whether to go for one or not? What other extras are worth having?

Winter Pack
Keyless Entry
Active Display
Park Distance Control

IMO

charlieIRL

Dempsey wrote: »

Winter Pack
Keyless Entry
Active Display
Park Distance Control

IMO

Just buy an Executive version!!

charlieIRL

Regarding winter range, mine only read 154kms this morning after a full nights charge. That’s the lowest it’s ever read. I haven’t been driving hard either.

Can you reset all the GOM stats like in the Zoe? And let it start learning / averaging out again?

Shefwedfan

Dempsey wrote: »

Winter Pack
Keyless Entry
Active Display
Park Distance Control

IMO

I wouldnt personally go with keyless entry with the current spate of robberies.



Active display is good if you are using Sat Nav alot, bar that its nice to look at but not really a must


Parking sensors yes, dont get the self parking as it is a waste of time.



Winter pack is good, the heated seats are great

Shefwedfan

charlieIRL wrote: »

Just buy an Executive version!!

We would all love that

Shefwedfan

loopymum wrote: »

Really interesting thread, after reading the whole thread, I think an egolf might be for us.

Looking up heatpumps, we don't do huge mileages so I'm undecided about them and whether to go for one or not? What other extras are worth having?

Very hard to find a model with heat pump included. The dealers dont seem to be aware of the advantage so they dont order in.Should be deals on in stock models.



What sort of driving you doing?

loopymum

I just looked at Fuelio for the last two months since I changed my car and I do approximately 1300 miles per month. I imagine I would up that though if I had an electric as would cost me peanuts compared to now. We are a two car household, home charging isn't an issue and I can also charge at work

Dempsey

charlieIRL wrote: »

Just buy an Executive version!!

Buying new & have 37k to burn. Buying 2nd hand? You'll be waiting a while!

Shefwedfan wrote: »

I wouldnt personally go with keyless entry with the current spate of robberies.



Active display is good if you are using Sat Nav alot, bar that its nice to look at but not really a must


Parking sensors yes, dont get the self parking as it is a waste of time.



Winter pack is good, the heated seats are great

Whats the story with the keyless access issue?

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Very hard to find a model with heat pump included. The dealers dont seem to be aware of the advantage so they dont order in.Should be deals on in stock models.



What sort of driving you doing?

Is there any real world testing data for the heat pump vs without that justifies the price of one?

charlieIRL

There is a few ex-demo Executives for sale but with a new one you get 0% finance so is a better deal.

I got into mine this morning (pre-heated throught the We Connect App) and it was showing 189kms fully charged. Turn on the heater in "Auto" mode and heat set to "Hi" and it drops to 110kms, set it down one notch at 29.5 and range is 130kms.

You'll use the heater blower more than you think, especially with kids so my big regret is not getting the heat pump. It would prevent this drastic drop in range. I asked tech guy in VW about it and he said max. it should drop is 10kms. Not sure if he's driven one long term to experiecnce it.

This morning I drove 53kms dropping them off at school and then on to work, driving easy, and i have 102kms left. Consumption was 21.7kWh/100kms.

unkel

charlieIRL wrote: »

I got into mine this morning (pre-heated throught the We Connect App) and it was showing 189kms fully charged. Turn on the heater in "Auto" mode and heat set to "Hi" and it drops to 110kms

LOL!

Mickeroo

Yikes! The Ioniq was giving me 16km less (190 vs 206) with heat on this morning which is the worst I've ever seen and that was with the car pre conditioned!

The numbers didn't add up though as I only used 13% bettery on the 26km commute, which is better than usual these days.

charlieIRL

unkel wrote: »

LOL!

Ridiculous isn't it?

You don't get told that by a salesman

Can't wait for summer!!!!:D

charlieIRL

Actually, question for other e-Golf owners, how much difference are you getting in range switching between "Normal" "Eco" and "Eco+"

When I got mine the difference between Normal and Eco+ was signficant but now, 5 weeks later, its only a couple of kms. Hardly worth switching between them now as there's no heat on Eco+

KCross

charlieIRL wrote: »

I got into mine this morning (pre-heated throught the We Connect App) and it was showing 189kms fully charged. Turn on the heater in "Auto" mode and heat set to "Hi" and it drops to 110kms,

Setting it to "Hi" though means that it isnt doing climate control anymore... its simply running at max heat generation all the time so that is going to hurt range but realistically you wouldnt be able to drive too long with the heat set to max the entire time so I dont think it really matters.

What did you get this morning when you set the heat to something more normal like 21?

The energy consumption of "Hi" is probably equivalent of two domestic fan heaters running at full tilt so you'd need to open the windows soon enough to keep comfortable even on the frostiest morning.

"Auto" at 18-22'C ftw to keep the heater energy consumption at sane levels.

charlieIRL

KCross wrote: »

Setting it to "Hi" though means that it isnt doing climate control anymore... its simply running at max heat generation all the time so that is going to hurt range but realistically you wouldnt be able to drive too long with the heat set to max the entire time so I dont think it really matters.

What did you get this morning when you set the heat to something more normal like 21?

I never run it on Hi due to the consumption - start off at 29 and gradually work it down to 22 once the cabin gets warm enough for the kids. Preheating is brilliant on cold mornings so within a few miles you are reducing the temperature.

For every 2 degres you drop, you gain 2kms!!

KCross

charlieIRL wrote: »

I never run it on Hi due to the consumption - start off at 29 and gradually work it down to 22 once the cabin gets warm enough for the kids.

Why do you do that?

The whole idea of "Auto" and climate control is that you set the temp and the car will get you to that temp as quickly as it can.

Setting it to Hi and working it down manually doesnt heat the car faster.

You're creating work for yourself!

charlieIRL

Not sure why i do it to be honest. If i don't pre-heat the car then i need it heated up as quick as possible when we start driving (its great having nearly instant heat!)

Might just set it to 22 next time and Auto and see.

Mupchease

https://ev-database.org/car/1087/Volkswagen-e-Golf

I don’t know about the rest of you’s but I found this site spot on with its ranges for what I get from my eGolf. I don’t have a heat pump or the eco alloys either. I think it would be a good guide for people interested in the car.

bodgerfederer

"There is a few ex-demo Executives for sale but with a new one you get 0% finance so is a better deal.

I got into mine this morning (pre-heated throught the We Connect App) and it was showing 189kms fully charged. Turn on the heater in "Auto" mode and heat set to "Hi" and it drops to 110kms, set it down one notch at 29.5 and range is 130kms. "

there's a lot of ex demos in the uk if you want to travel - some with heat pumps.
i got my 2nd hand egolf a couple of weeks ago. its not ex demo, its (about to become) an 181-D reg but it is executive and i was happy with the price and where i had to pick it up from. even now, after the scrappage deal that came out the day before i flew over, i'm at peace with what i paid.

i wanted a heat pump but most of the dealers i spoke too couldn't tell me if their car had one or not. often i requested pictures of under the bonnet and then told them if it had the heat pump!

with the heat pump, putting my heating on (auto set to 22 degrees) takes about 15/20km off.

the range meter thing is close to useless in my opinion and drives me to paranoia and distraction. i prefer to look at the battery dial and estimate based on a mental calculation of 16kw. my driving has fluctuated from 13.5 to 19kw/100.
interestingly my best economy of 13.5kw came with a bike rack and two bmx bikes on the back.

L-M

What year is your car?

The range meter was updated in the middle of 2018 and is very accurate. It’s based on the last 20kms of your driving style.

Ie if you drove 20kms on the motorway and turned the car off and on again, the range would drop because the car is presuming you’re going to continue driving as per the last 20kms. Likewise if you did 20kms in town driving and turned it off and on the range would increase.

bodgerfederer

Limerick man wrote: »

What year is your car?

The range meter was updated in the middle of 2018 and is very accurate. It’s based on the last 20kms of your driving style.

Ie if you drove 20kms on the motorway and turned the car off and on again, the range would drop because the car is presuming you’re going to continue driving as per the last 20kms. Likewise if you did 20kms in town driving and turned it off and on the range would increase.

First registered March 2018. I can see the gom changing as a drive, I’m assuming it’s updating and it’s quite satisfying when I can get it to go back up (the a55 from Chester to Holyhead was great for this!)

It’s still early days for me and the car but I just don’t enjoy the range meter and the variation it shows - it’s possible I might just be looking too much at it and over obsessing (that is the kind of thing I do). I do find the meter more stable on longer journey - I assume the car’s warmed up, the maths becomes more consistent over a longer time frame or something.

L-M

Yeah unfortunately you have the old range meter which is terrible (NEDC based, Ie it’s allowed to lie). New one came week 22/18

Edit I should also say you’re suffering from range anxiety which is normal for a new EV driver.

Safe to reset your trip and allow for a realistic 160-180 from a full charge this time of year.

User1998

Did anyone have trouble setting up the We Connect App after buying second hand? I’ve set it up and currently listed as a guest user? And to become a primary user and get e-remote it says its free but valid until June 2019? So not valid ..

L-M

User1998 wrote: »

Did anyone have trouble setting up the We Connect App after buying second hand? I’ve set it up and currently listed as a guest user? And to become a primary user and get e-remote it says its free but valid until June 2019? So not valid ..

You need to hook your Hotspot up to the car so

Menu - Settings - WLAN and then hook your hotspot there, that’ll give the car internet.

Then Menu, Settings, Car net - Should give you an option for users and delete the old user.

You then need to Input the Vin number for your E golf into the App and it will generate an 8 digit code. Go back into the car net on the screen and enter the 8 digit code. This will register you as the User.

(We connect is the New car net)

User1998

Limerick man wrote: »

You need to hook your Hotspot up to the car so

Menu - Settings - WLAN and then hook your hotspot there, that’ll give the car internet.

Then Menu, Settings, Car net - Should give you an option for users and delete the old user.

You then need to Input the Vin number for your E golf into the App and it will generate an 8 digit code. Go back into the car net on the screen and enter the 8 digit code. This will register you as the User.

(We connect is the New car net)

Sorry I should have mentioned, its a GTE mk7 so it has the older radio. There are no WLAN settings. I put the vin number into the app and it never gave me a code and has me down as a guest user so I can’t use any of the features.. Think I’l ring Volkswagen on Monday

L-M

User1998 wrote: »

Sorry I should have mentioned, its a GTE mk7 so it has the older radio. There are no WLAN settings. I put the vin number into the app and it never gave me a code and has me down as a guest user so I can’t use any of the features.. Think I’l ring Volkswagen on Monday

If you click Menu on the radio, then go across to settings and then down along there should be a WLAN option.

If you press on Menu do you see a Car Net tile?

User1998

Limerick man wrote: »

If you click Menu on the radio, then go across to settings and then down along there should be a WLAN option.

If you press on Menu do you see a Car Net tile?

No it’s definitely not there, and there is no Car net tile either

L-M

User1998 wrote: »

No it’s definitely not there, and there is no Car net tile either

You don’t have and won’t have access to the We Connect app so...

If you look in the bottom corner of one of the Windows, drivers side, you see a small bit of black text, at the very bottom of that there’ll be a couple of dots and a number ie ...5 or ...6 will tell you when the car was built .

User1998

Limerick man wrote: »

You don’t have and won’t have access to the We Connect app so...

If you look in the bottom corner of one of the Windows, drivers side, you see a small bit of black text, at the very bottom of that there’ll be a couple of dots and a number ie ...5 or ...6 will tell you when the car was built .

Ah thats a shame.. I’l have a look. Thanks for your help couldn’t find it anywhere online

NBar

Is there a data plug connected on drivers side in the obd

L-M

NBar wrote: »

Is there a data plug connected on drivers side in the obd

That’s a different thing altogether, and is crap.

Dempsey

Yea, I happen to get the data plug with mine, rarely use the app. It doesnt seem to be useful at all tbh

Has anyone found anything useful on it?

bodgerfederer

Limerick man wrote: »

Yeah unfortunately you have the old range meter which is terrible (NEDC based, Ie it’s allowed to lie). New one came week 22/18

Edit I should also say you’re suffering from range anxiety which is normal for a new EV driver.

Safe to reset your trip and allow for a realistic 160-180 from a full charge this time of year.

That’s unfortunate - surely some kind of software update could fix that?
But yes, range anxiety or at least range awareness:)

L-M

Dempsey wrote: »

Yea, I happen to get the data plug with mine, rarely use the app. It doesnt seem to be useful at all tbh

Has anyone found anything useful on it?

Your what? E-Golf? All the E Golfs should have access to the We Connect app. Again, press Menu and check for the Car net tile

Dempsey

Limerick man wrote: »

Your what? E-Golf? All the E Golfs should have access to the We Connect app. Again, press Menu and check for the Car net tile

Car net only works if you provide the network

The dataplug/'we connect go' doesnt provide anything useful

The 'we connect app' is painfully slow

Why is there 2 apps at all??

L-M

Dempsey wrote: »

Car net only works if you provide the network

The dataplug/'we connect go' doesnt provide anything useful

The 'we connect app' is painfully slow

Why is there 2 apps at all??

The second app is basically for cars that didn’t (and still don’t as in basic Polos and Golfs) have access to the car net. I think any Vw for the last 15 years can connect to the data plug which will record information like trips, car location... it’ll also send your information to the local Vw dealer when you’re due a service etc

Car net is gone now anyway, anyone with Car net has to use the We connect App. Basically down the line with the new ID.3 you can update the car after purchase with options like cruise control, app connect etc etc without having to go to the dealer.

It’s like having an Apple ID, you’ll have a We Connect profile to bring from car to car.

Dempsey

Car Net works for me when I provide the hotspot

charlieIRL

160 kms range indicated from a full charge the last 4 or 5 charges, drops to 145kms when I turn on the heat at 22 degrees. Have to drive in Normal mode as I’ve no heating driving in Eco. Not wanting to drive anywhere with less than 30kms left, that leaves me with a useable 115-ish Kms.

Very disappointing

Also, took a long time to get connected to the EasyGo charger in Kinnegad yesterday, had plugged in and couldn’t get started with the app so thankfully a leaf owner who pulled in at the same time started the charge for me. Family with me so we waited in the car as I was only topping up to 80% to get home and after 10 mins noticed it wasn’t charging. Took another 5 to get it going and only had less than 10 mins to get to a soccer match locally. They weren’t impressed!!
We were to go to McDonalds in the Athlone plaza on the way home after the game but had to go to Kinnegad plaza again as I didn’t think I’d make it. Fun day in an EV again.

randombar

charlieIRL wrote: »

160 kms range indicated from a full charge the last 4 or 5 charges, drops to 145kms when I turn on the heat at 22 degrees. Have to drive in Normal mode as I’ve no heating driving in Eco. Not wanting to drive anywhere with less than 30kms left, that leaves me with a useable 115-ish Kms.

Very disappointing

Also, took a long time to get connected to the EasyGo charger in Kinnegad yesterday, had plugged in and couldn’t get started with the app so thankfully a leaf owner who pulled in at the same time started the charge for me. Family with me so we waited in the car as I was only topping up to 80% to get home and after 10 mins noticed it wasn’t charging. Took another 5 to get it going and only had less than 10 mins to get to a soccer match locally. They weren’t impressed!!
We were to go to McDonalds in the Athlone plaza on the way home after the game but had to go to Kinnegad plaza again as I didn’t think I’d make it. Fun day in an EV again.

Ya, it's not worth it, I'll take it off your hands for you and you'll be rid of it

Mickeroo

Sorry to hear it's not working out to well for you Charlie. I'm actually shocked at how badly the range is affected. 115km out of a what, 40kwh battery? That seems crazy.

charlieIRL

Mickeroo wrote: »

Sorry to hear it's not working out to well for you Charlie. I'm actually shocked at how badly the range is affected. 115km out of a what, 40kwh battery? That seems crazy.

Yupp it’s a “36kWh” battery!

It’s not that it’s not working out, I’m just so disappointed with the drop in range. As I said, my oldest had a soccer match in Kinnegad which is 78kms from my house and it’s sad to say I probably couldn’t drive there and back in a brand new EV with my heat on without needing to charge. For my work commute and dropping kids to school it’s perfect, all within any range (110kms round trip now) but to go anywhere else, forget it.
They actually wanted to go to Liffey Valley after the game yesterday and I had to make excuses not to - all I was worried about was where was I going to charge.
It’s looking like we’re back to herselfs car for these trips and Jeasuz I hate driving it!!!

unkel

charlieIRL wrote: »

They actually wanted to go to Liffey Valley after the game yesterday and I had to make excuses not to - all I was worried about was where was I going to charge.

There are slow chargers at Tesco, usually there is at least one available. Could make a difference if you're going to stay in Liffey Valley for a few hours (shop, eat, cinema)

charlieIRL wrote: »

which is 78kms from my house and it’s sad to say I probably couldn’t drive there and back in a brand new EV with my heat on

WLTP range of your eGolf is about 200km. Driving at motorway speeds in winter with heat on and you will get less than 3 quarters of that, so a 158 would not be a range you should attempt unless you take it handy enough

embraer170

charlieIRL wrote: »

160 kms range indicated from a full charge the last 4 or 5 charges, drops to 145kms when I turn on the heat at 22 degrees. Have to drive in Normal mode as I’ve no heating driving in Eco. Not wanting to drive anywhere with less than 30kms left, that leaves me with a useable 115-ish Kms.

Very disappointing

Also, took a long time to get connected to the EasyGo charger in Kinnegad yesterday, had plugged in and couldn’t get started with the app so thankfully a leaf owner who pulled in at the same time started the charge for me. Family with me so we waited in the car as I was only topping up to 80% to get home and after 10 mins noticed it wasn’t charging. Took another 5 to get it going and only had less than 10 mins to get to a soccer match locally. They weren’t impressed!!
We were to go to McDonalds in the Athlone plaza on the way home after the game but had to go to Kinnegad plaza again as I didn’t think I’d make it. Fun day in an EV again.

Do you have the heat pump?

Mike9832

Mickeroo wrote: »

Sorry to hear it's not working out to well for you Charlie. I'm actually shocked at how badly the range is affected. 115km out of a what, 40kwh battery? That seems crazy.

Even double that is pretty crap which the é-Golf successor ID3 for €40,000 probably won't manage with its 58kWh battery

Few posters who have taken delivery of €73,000 Telsa Model 3 with humongous 73kWh battery are talking about a 250km useable motorway range ( not going below 20% soc) and 300km total range.

That's crazy imo

All for EV, starting to think now 40-50km national road phev would suit me better

BMW 225xe catching my eye

225bhp, 4WD, 40-50km EV range on national roads, 1.5 frugal petrol engined and under €25,000 for 2019

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201910163382472?advertising-location=at_cars&year-from=2019&postcode=m52ty&model=2%20SERIES%20ACTIVE%20TOURER&page=1&radius=1500&make=BMW&fuel-type=Hybrid%20%E2%80%93%20Petrol%2FElectric%20Plug-in&onesearchad=New&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=Used