Rise of Vegetarian/Veganism

stefanovich wrote: »

Fact is, we'd all be a bit healthier if we ate less dairy and meat. I know Irish farmers don't like this, and RTE seem to give them a platform, but they are interested in their own business surviving and that is all.

Interesting that some interests seem to be making out eating a normal diet is about "farmers". No idea why you want to attack to attack one group of people. Bit of a childish argument there no? You do know Irish farmers also grow crops? Do you support that? Or are you just against some Irish farmers?

Funny thing is that real dietry advice out there advises that dairy and meat are a healthy part of a balanced diet.

Dont know about you - but I don't need to cut back on anything - Thanks Dr stefanovich! Are you're a qualified dietician btw ? Though as far as I remember we're not supposed to give medical advice here? No matter.

Btw this isn't even information from Ireland - this from the NHS in the UK so no "platform" (sic)

Meat is a good source of protein, vitamins and minerals, including iron, zinc and B vitamins. It's also one of the main sources of vitamin B12.

Choose lean cuts of meat and skinless poultry whenever possible to cut down on fat. Always cook meat thoroughly.

Try to eat less red and processed meat like bacon, ham and sausages.

Milk and dairy foods

Milk and dairy foods, such as cheese and yoghurt, are good sources of protein. They also contain calcium, which helps keep your bones healthy.

Go for lower fat and lower sugar products where possible.

Choose semi-skimmed, 1% fat or skimmed milk, as well as lower fat hard cheeses or cottage cheese, and lower fat, lower sugar yoghurt.

https://www.nhs.uk/live-well/eat-well/

Tbh its very strange that some really do seem bitter against supporting Irish people and the economy. But there you go. Anyhow back to the topic ...

Heres some other good news a recent study from UCD

And it's good news for vegetarians and those eating a normal diet!

Irish study says people with highest dairy consumption have lower BMI

23-Feb-2017 By Jim Cornall

A new study looking at dairy consumption and its relationship with metabolic health has delivered some promising results

[url]HTTPS://WWW.DAIRYREPORTER.COM/ARTICLE/2017/02/23/IRISH-STUDY-SAYS-PEOPLE-WITH-HIGHEST-DAIRY-CONSUMPTION-HAVE-LOWER-BMI [/url];

jh79 wrote: »

A diet high in fish seems to be the healthiest option.

Problem with that is that there's hardly any fish left. Bottom trawling has ruined Irish seas over the past 100 years or so. Humans are so thick though, we know marine life is being destroyed at an astonishing rate yet we continue to take more and more out of the sea. Some kind of European moratorium on fishing is required, but again too many vested interests for that to happen.

stefanovich wrote: »

Milk and red meat are high in saturated fat and a diet that is low in saturated fat is good for cardiovascular health. It is not much of a leap to suggest that eating less of the same can reduce your risk of cardiovascular disease. I have seen RTE give a platform to several farmers recently where they are suggesting we eat meat and dairy every day. This is most likely bad advice.

I'll ask again are you a qualified dietician that you disagree with bodies such as the NHS in the UK? Why is that? Is the NHS giving Irish farmers a 'platform' (sic)

What have you against "farmers" exactly? This thread is about diet btw

As above dairy and meat are both recommended fodstuffs as part of a Healthy balanced diet. But you know that.

More open attacks on others diets and lifestyles - funny that .There's a bit of a pattern here tbh.

markodaly wrote: »

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-10-17/america-is-drowning-in-milk-nobody-wants

https://www.foxnews.com/us/dairy-farmers-hit-hard-by-declining-milk-demand

You do realise that the links you quoted have are discussing the US dairy market and not the global one?

https://www.thebullvine.com/news/china-and-africa-to-lead-growth-in-global-dairy-consumption/

markodaly wrote: »

Pointing out the nationality of the website has nothing to do with the fact that I correctly stated that dairy consumption is declining.It seems you are easily triggered.

Lol 'triggered' angry plant food activists favourite word. You must not have seen the good news about Irish butter and its success globally and in the US but no matter.

markodaly wrote: »

You are great at the strawman argument though. I state one thing about dairy consumption declining, this obviously means I am in favor of cheap processed imports from the US. I stated nothing of the sort of course. Now how you came up with that nugget of wisdom beats me, but I guess you have form in that type of gigantic leap. Are you Cathy Newman?

Avoid the questions asked - add insult - attack - the poster. Yeah keep going.

markodaly wrote: »

Even your strawman with its fallacies and false equivalences is flawed, as Ireland exports most of its food. I guess it's bad when we import food, but it's ok when other countries imports Irish foods

Introduces irrelevancies- goes off on a tangent..

markodaly wrote: »

Irish importing food baaaad.
Irish exporting food gooood.
Am I doing this right?

You can't answer any of the genuine questions - which were asked but resort to such comment stupidity?

But ok - if thats the only way you wish to communicate. Let me see - what you're saying is

Whole foods produced in Ireland baaaaaad
Talking rubbish goood
Is that ok?

Or to paraphrase "Discussion? Fuk that! Lets attack a farmer - barstewards!!!!"

And just to finish - why would anyone bother engaging further with a poster who uses this thread to attack Irish food producers and others just to stir ****e?. You're on your own. Thanks

markodaly wrote: »

Pointing out the nationality of the website has nothing to do with the fact that I correctly stated that dairy consumption is declining.
It seems you are easily triggered.

You stated that global dairy production was declining referencing two articles stating that the US dairy industry is declining. And you talk about strawman arguments??

stanley1989 wrote: »

White meat and dairy have a positive effect on health.

You are joking lol ? I suggest you read up on the effects of dairy

Just because you think it's true doesn't make it so. Why don't you provide a credible link or at least more of a paragraph as why you claim it's not?

stanley1989 wrote: »

Google it you argumentative fool ... I don't owe you or anyone a coherent post . Someone posted that dairy is healthy I know this to be untrue through Google self learning all that maybe you should try it . ..

Name calling? nice response btw.

The thing about 'google' is that you should avoid the crackpot websites. Its not difficult

Current (real) dietary advice out there advises that dairy and meat are a healthy part of a balanced diet.

You must have missed the post in this thread where this was detailed already. From the NHS website (least anyone claim that the equivalent Irish website is biased)

Meat is a good source of protein, vitamins and minerals, including iron, zinc and B vitamins. It's also one of the main sources of vitamin B12.

Choose lean cuts of meat and skinless poultry whenever possible to cut down on fat. Always cook meat thoroughly.

Try to eat less red and processed meat like bacon, ham and sausages.

Milk and dairy foods
Milk and dairy foods, such as cheese and yoghurt, are good sources of protein. They also contain calcium, which helps keep your bones healthy.

Go for lower fat and lower sugar products where possible.

Choose semi-skimmed, 1% fat or skimmed milk, as well as lower fat hard cheeses or cottage cheese, and lower fat, lower sugar yoghurt.

https://www.nhs.uk/live-well/eat-well/

What a load of scutter. Why is that the 'born again' evangelicals of whatever belief system is momentarily fashionable have to be the biggest 'sinners whilst lecturing the rest of us on what they perceive as our 'moral' failings :rolleyes:

Factory farming is disgusting. Pigs in ireland never see the light of day. If this poster works on some people than why not, most people dont give a seconds thought to the animal theyre eating and where it came from. Thats not right. We used to eat meat once or twice a week now its 3 times a day. If we want better animal welfare we all need go give it up or eat less.

Elsie Bitter Pita wrote: »

While I try to eat as little meat as possible, it can be really tough making a desirable meal that's also filling, without using meat or fish. I find the effort in preparing a dish with meat, that's satisfying, is lower. Probably just what I am used to.

You get used to it, at least i did. At least you can get sustainably sourced fish, although im not sure i believe those labels.

I don't know if any other cause would be given a free pass to run a campaign on such a blatantly emotive and provocative basis.

Would an ad campaign portraying a guy with a suicide vest captioned "We don't need more Syrians in Ireland", or one showing somebody dying of Aids in a hospital bed captioned "Homosexuality Kills" get such a free pass?

The different standards applied in respect of this dietary cult are strange to me.

the meat industry could start putting pictures of vegans on busses, that would be enough to put most people off not eating meat

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Joaquin Phoenix
Olivia Wilde
Casey Affleck
Zooey Deschanel
All very attractive Vegans.

Why on the constant advocacy horn for vegans / veganism when you claim not to be one?

"Attractive" is a very subjective noun. Especially with many fake Hollywood plastic people. Id prefer to determine someones 'attractiveness' by who they are - than whether people think they are pretty or whatever...

gozunda wrote: »

Why the constant advocacy horn for vegans / veganism when you claim not to be one?

"Attractive" is a very subjective noun. Id prefer to determine someones 'attractiveness' by who they are - than whether people think they are pretty or whatever...

Take it up with the poster who proposed putting pictures of vegans on busses to put people off the idea.

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Take it up with the poster who proposed putting pictures of vegans on busses to put people off the idea.

I dont think so. That poster referred to nothing about 'attractiveness". Tbh they made a fair point. The posters are designed to attack - they are not selling anything or saying eating plants or whatever is good. Most of it is pure emotive ****e tbh. I'm sure it would be quite possible to find a bunch of half starved unhealthy looking 'plant eaters' (or at least claim they are) and put them on a poster in the same vein ...

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Joaquin Phoenix
Olivia Wilde
Casey Affleck
Zooey Deschanel

All very attractive Vegans.

Also lots of unhealthy skin and bone types out there too, James Cameron's wife for example looks like she could do a concentration camp extra in any upcoming movie. Maybe some people can make it work but plenty seem to go downhill on them more so than if they had just stuck to an eating cr@p diet

silverharp wrote: »

Also lots of unhealthy skin and bone types out there too, James Cameron's wife for example looks like she could do a concentration camp extra in any upcoming movie. Maybe some people can make it work but plenty seem to go downhill on them more so than if they had just stuck to an eating cr@p diet

It's a ridiculous argument. I would say every grossly obese person you see in Ireland is a meat eater. Change the record.