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Rise of Vegetarian/Veganism

Johnnyhpipe

From “bloggers” to billboards to PETA giving out to me for drinking milk and “taking babies away from their mothers”... I was in McDonalds earlier tucking into a big mac and a load of nuggets and saw their new ‘veggie happy meal’... When did this rise of veggie/veganism start? Why did it start?

Some people have tried to convince me to go vegetarian, or at least cut down on meat consumption. I haven’t heard a decent argument as to why I should apart from some doomsday videos on youtube..

Am I really a bad boy for eating meat? All sounds like a load of bollocks to me.

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Corkgirl18

Some serious farmer bashing going on.
My dad is a farmer and he has two kids that are vegetarian. He couldn't give a s**t.

GooglePlus

In terms of health, the abundance of fast food places around Dublin and the ease of access to deliveries is what has me ruined.

Fresh red meat cooked healthy and dairy in place of the above would do me the world of good.

Ireland's obesity and heart disease issue wouldn't exist if we were more active and we didn't have the chipper mentality bet into our minds growing up.

markodaly

gozunda wrote: »

Two American websites? Seriously? Who do you want to support? Do you want Ireland to be wholly dependent on having to buy cheap imported food from countries with few if any ethical nor environmental standards? Why is that?

Pointing out the nationality of the website has nothing to do with the fact that I correctly stated that dairy consumption is declining.
It seems you are easily triggered.

You are great at the strawman argument though. I state one thing about dairy consumption declining, this obviously means I am in favor of cheap processed imports from the US. I stated nothing of the sort of course. Now how you came up with that nugget of wisdom beats me, but I guess you have form in that type of gigantic leap. Are you Cathy Newman?

Even your strawman with its fallacies and false equivalences is flawed, as Ireland exports most of its food. I guess it's bad when we import food, but it's ok when other countries imports Irish foods.

Well the good news is that the Irish econmony and that's everyone btw benefits from Irish exports.
https://www.irishtimes.com/business/agribusiness-and-food/kerrygold-becomes-ireland-s-first-billion-euro-food-brand-1.3876158

Irish importing food baaaad.
Irish exporting food gooood.

Am I doing this right?

gozunda

markodaly wrote: »

Pointing out the nationality of the website has nothing to do with the fact that I correctly stated that dairy consumption is declining.It seems you are easily triggered.

Lol 'triggered' angry plant food activists favourite word. You must not have seen the good news about Irish butter and its success globally and in the US but no matter.

markodaly wrote: »

You are great at the strawman argument though. I state one thing about dairy consumption declining, this obviously means I am in favor of cheap processed imports from the US. I stated nothing of the sort of course. Now how you came up with that nugget of wisdom beats me, but I guess you have form in that type of gigantic leap. Are you Cathy Newman?

Avoid the questions asked - add insult - attack - the poster. Yeah keep going.

markodaly wrote: »

Even your strawman with its fallacies and false equivalences is flawed, as Ireland exports most of its food. I guess it's bad when we import food, but it's ok when other countries imports Irish foods

Introduces irrelevancies- goes off on a tangent..

markodaly wrote: »

Irish importing food baaaad.
Irish exporting food gooood.
Am I doing this right?

You can't answer any of the genuine questions - which were asked but resort to such comment stupidity?

But ok - if thats the only way you wish to communicate. Let me see - what you're saying is

Whole foods produced in Ireland baaaaaad
Talking rubbish goood
Is that ok?

Or to paraphrase "Discussion? Fuk that! Lets attack a farmer - barstewards!!!!"

And just to finish - why would anyone bother engaging further with a poster who uses this thread to attack Irish food producers and others just to stir ****e?. You're on your own. Thanks

markodaly

gozunda wrote: »

You can't answer any of the genuine questions

They were genuine questions? Pull the other one. For a farmer, you seem to have an awful lot of spare time being an under contrarian.

Your posting history and general behavior in relation to this topic speak for itself.

[Deleted User]

markodaly wrote: »

They were genuine questions? Pull the other one. For a farmer, you seem to have an awful lot of spare time being an under contrarian.

Your posting history and general behavior in relation to this topic speak for itself.

Could be very well subsidised by the tax payer thus allowing for lots of free time and not much idea what to do with it.

Certainly not working too hard anyway.

gozunda

I'll just leave this here as apparently the level of discussion is now in the sewer and its denizens have taken over. But hey what's new?

JeffKenna

markodaly wrote: »

Pointing out the nationality of the website has nothing to do with the fact that I correctly stated that dairy consumption is declining.
It seems you are easily triggered.

You stated that global dairy production was declining referencing two articles stating that the US dairy industry is declining. And you talk about strawman arguments??

Panch18

JeffKenna wrote: »

Are you just making up facts?

Worldwide dairy consumption is on an upward trend with continued growth expected over the next number of years.

He is indeed making up facts - it has been proven on many threads that he regularly does this

stanley1989

White meat and dairy have a positive effect on health.

You are joking lol ? I suggest you read up on the effects of dairy

McCrack

The food chain exists for a reason

It's perfectly healthy and normal to eat animals, drink their milk. Equally if a human decides not to thats okay.. There are lots of other food sources

is_that_so

stanley1989 wrote: »

White meat and dairy have a positive effect on health.

You are joking lol ? I suggest you read up on the effects of dairy

Just because you think it's true doesn't make it so. Why don't you provide a credible link or at least more of a paragraph as why you claim it's not?

Purgative

nice_guy80 wrote: »

Eating more veg is surely good for the environment

Unless those veg were shipped in from southern Greece, or southern Spain or Holland and Israel

Just on that I ate something the other day (can't even remember) but the label said "Produce of Vietnam, processed in South Africa" and I bought for 2 squids in the West.

That's globalisation on fcuking steroids.

stanley1989

is_that_so wrote: »

Just because you think it's true doesn't make it so. Why don't you provide a credible link or at least more of a paragraph as why you claim it's not?

Google have all the info you need !

is_that_so

stanley1989 wrote: »

Google have all the info you need !

Hmm. poster has no argument so I need to look up Google! I'm not the one throwing out claims that look completely made up and it's really not up to me nor anyone else to help you write a coherent post properly, so back 'em up or they are what they seem to be, absolute nonsense,

stanley1989

is_that_so wrote: »

Hmm. poster has no argument so I need to look up Google! I'm not the one throwing out claims that look completely made up and it's really not up to me nor anyone else to help you write a coherent post properly, so back 'em up or they are what they seem to be, absolute nonsense,

Google it you argumentative fool ... I don't owe you or anyone a coherent post . Someone posted that dairy is healthy I know this to be untrue through Google self learning all that maybe you should try it . Did you argue with that poster too that said it was healthy . Pathetic

is_that_so

stanley1989 wrote: »

Google it you argumentative fool ... I don't owe you or anyone a coherent post . Someone posted that dairy is healthy I know this to be untrue through Google self learning all that maybe you should try it . Did you argue with that poster too that said it was healthy . Pathetic

Ah and now the insults, so you got nothing? Good that you know things. You have a nice day now.

gozunda

stanley1989 wrote: »

Google it you argumentative fool ... I don't owe you or anyone a coherent post . Someone posted that dairy is healthy I know this to be untrue through Google self learning all that maybe you should try it . ..

Name calling? nice response btw.

The thing about 'google' is that you should avoid the crackpot websites. Its not difficult

Current (real) dietary advice out there advises that dairy and meat are a healthy part of a balanced diet.

You must have missed the post in this thread where this was detailed already. From the NHS website (least anyone claim that the equivalent Irish website is biased)

Meat is a good source of protein, vitamins and minerals, including iron, zinc and B vitamins. It's also one of the main sources of vitamin B12.

Choose lean cuts of meat and skinless poultry whenever possible to cut down on fat. Always cook meat thoroughly.

Try to eat less red and processed meat like bacon, ham and sausages.

Milk and dairy foods
Milk and dairy foods, such as cheese and yoghurt, are good sources of protein. They also contain calcium, which helps keep your bones healthy.

Go for lower fat and lower sugar products where possible.

Choose semi-skimmed, 1% fat or skimmed milk, as well as lower fat hard cheeses or cottage cheese, and lower fat, lower sugar yoghurt.

https://www.nhs.uk/live-well/eat-well/

JeffKenna

stanley1989 wrote: »

Google it you argumentative fool ... I don't owe you or anyone a coherent post . Someone posted that dairy is healthy I know this to be untrue through Google self learning all that maybe you should try it . Did you argue with that poster too that said it was healthy . Pathetic

Only one fool here from my line of sight.
Maybe the lack of dairy stopped the production of your brain cells?

Ken.

Mod-stanley1989 do not post in this thread again, ever.

Thelonious Monk

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/may/22/telling-meat-eaters-bacon-off-menu-wont-work-adrian-chiles

This is a great balanced article. I really like Adrian Chiles, his doc on booze was very good.

gozunda

What a load of scutter. Why is that the 'born again' evangelicals of whatever belief system is momentarily fashionable have to be the biggest 'sinners whilst lecturing the rest of us on what they perceive as our 'moral' failings :rolleyes:

JupiterKid

Looks like the Go Vegan/meat is murder poster campaign is shifting up a gear. Apparently the poster campaign preaching that eating dairy was depriving calves of their mothers’ milk just wasn’t enough...

Thelonious Monk

Factory farming is disgusting. Pigs in ireland never see the light of day. If this poster works on some people than why not, most people dont give a seconds thought to the animal theyre eating and where it came from. Thats not right. We used to eat meat once or twice a week now its 3 times a day. If we want better animal welfare we all need go give it up or eat less.

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Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Factory farming is disgusting. Pigs in ireland never see the light of day. If this poster works on some people than why not, most people dont give a seconds thought to the animal theyre eating and where it came from. Thats not right. We used to eat meat once or twice a week now its 3 times a day. If we want better animal welfare we all need go give it up or eat less.

While I try to eat as little meat as possible, it can be really tough making a desirable meal that's also filling, without using meat or fish. I find the effort in preparing a dish with meat, that's satisfying, is lower. Probably just what I am used to.

Thelonious Monk

Elsie Bitter Pita wrote: »

While I try to eat as little meat as possible, it can be really tough making a desirable meal that's also filling, without using meat or fish. I find the effort in preparing a dish with meat, that's satisfying, is lower. Probably just what I am used to.

You get used to it, at least i did. At least you can get sustainably sourced fish, although im not sure i believe those labels.

El_Duderino 09

JupiterKid wrote: »

Looks like the Go Vegan/meat is murder poster campaign is shifting up a gear. Apparently the poster campaign preaching that eating dairy was depriving calves of their mothers’ milk just wasn’t enough...

Are you surprised? People don't like to think about the realities of how meat gets to their supermarket, wrapped in plastic. So it makes perfect sense for a group who is opposed to eating meat to show the public some of those realities.

Do you think the ads are effective?

topper75

I don't know if any other cause would be given a free pass to run a campaign on such a blatantly emotive and provocative basis.

Would an ad campaign portraying a guy with a suicide vest captioned "We don't need more Syrians in Ireland", or one showing somebody dying of Aids in a hospital bed captioned "Homosexuality Kills" get such a free pass?

The different standards applied in respect of this dietary cult are strange to me.

El_Duderino 09

topper75 wrote: »

I don't know if any other cause would be given a free pass to run a campaign on such a blatantly emotive and provocative basis.

Would an ad campaign portraying a guy with a suicide vest captioned "We don't need more Syrians in Ireland", or one showing somebody dying of Aids in a hospital bed captioned "Homosexuality Kills" get such a free pass?

The different standards applied in respect of this dietary cult are strange to me.

Can you think of any better analogies because the point is interesting but the analogies are miles off.

A better analogy would be the graphic anti abortion ads. They got a free pass (if by free pass you mean they were legally perfectly fine but lots of people objected to them personally).

silverharp

the meat industry could start putting pictures of vegans on busses, that would be enough to put most people off not eating meat