dodderangler wrote: » So you’re against guns and against eating meat. Wow you sound like loads of fun at a party. Guess we can serve pigs in blankets even though it’s dead meat at least it’s gonna be warm and cosy.
auspicious wrote: » As vegans we don't see the difference between cats and dogs and domesticated farm animals. Animals of all types are kept by people as pets obviously. All animals have the capacity to show love and be pets.(And no, I wouldn't let a crocodile sit on my lap.)
pheasant tail wrote: » Gozunda, where are you getting this from about vegans wanting wild animals that eat other animals wiped out??? And that this is now widely accepted.... Wild animals, like a lion for example, will kill and eat other wild animals to survive, for food, they have no choice. That it not what veganism is about!
pheasant tail wrote: » Guns and eating meat means animals unnecessarily suffering and dying for our own selfish enjoyment! Animals dying when they don’t want to die.
The majority of the planet's 50,000 or so vertebrate species are vegetarian. But among the minority of carnivorous species are some of the best known creatures on the planet. Should these serial killers be permitted to prey on other sentient beings indefinitely?
It's crucial that at some point the animal-rights movement moves beyond farm, laboratory, and companion animals. The scale of brutality in nature is too vast to ignore, and humans have an obligation to exercise their cosmically rare position as both intelligent and empathetic creatures to reduce suffering in the wild as much as they can.
B0jangles wrote: » I'm neither a vegetarian or a vegan but even I've noticed the crazy defensiveness/aggression some posters here have whenever the topic comes up. Vegans and vegetarians aren't come up to you and slap the burger out of your hands; you're totally free to eat as much meat and dairy as you want. At the same time, no-one is obliged to buy your produce just because you happen to be a meat/dairy farmer. No-one owes you a living.
B0jangles wrote: » Now I'm tempted to donate with the sole proviso that a portion of the money goes towards putting up a big plaque promoting veganism.
dodderangler wrote: » Biggest load of horseshït Animals are not like us. They don’t do emotion like us. Get over it.
pheasant tail wrote: » Gozunda, I don’t have the will nor time to go reading through all that and posting links for you onto this. But in fairness, I asked you what you where on about and you answered that, fair enough. I had never heard off that and to say that that is a widespread view for many vegans is simply not true. I had never even heard off that. Comparing what we as humans are needlessly doing to animals should never be said in the same breath as what goes on in nature and is just an argument to try and justify our own actions and make ourselves feel better. Just because animals don’t share the same moral agency as us does not equate to them not having moral value and the right to life.
pheasant tail wrote: » But animals do have emotions, of course they do, their sentient beings, just like us. But some with different levels of consciousness of course. But they can still feel pain..
auspicious wrote: » Eggs for example, if they are not even allowed to be labelled healthy by regulatory bodies today because of their high levels of saturated fat and especially cholesterol then I'm sure the fruit hypothesis doesn't work. There's good anecdotal evidence of happy healthy newborn vegan babies. The Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics the worlds largest organisation of professionals holding undergraduate and advanced degrees in nutrition and dietetics and includes many many meat eaters I'm sure say a well planned and balanced vegan diet is adequate for all stages of life.
Thelonious Monk wrote: » And people keep saying it's the vegans who are the ones acting up. From what I see it's meat eaters who have a problem with other people's diets, not vegetarians and vegans.
Thelonious Monk wrote: » You sent me a message saying implying I was gay 2 days ago Gozunda because I'm posting in the same threads as you. And you're PMing other people too. And then you write all that above. You're nuts!
markodaly wrote: » Not meat eaters per say, it is a subset of meat eaters, many of them farmers who get all upity when someone declares they are going to eat less or no meat. This is the trend worldwide anyway. Diary consumption is declining and has been for decades. Meat consumption is also declining in many countries. If you want an example of the insecurity on display, have a google on what Leo Varadkar said in relation to his own meat eating habits and the reaction of the IFA to that. Also, remember that the IFA is one if not the most powerful lobbyist in Ireland. As someone said, no one owes you a living and if you go out of business because your product is not as much in demand, then tough titties. That is the Free Market at work.
JeffKenna wrote: » Are you just making up facts? Worldwide dairy consumption is on an upward trend with continued growth expected over the next number of years.
stefanovich wrote: » Fact is, we'd all be a bit healthier if we ate less dairy and meat. I know Irish farmers don't like this, and RTE seem to give them a platform, but they are interested in their own business surviving and that is all.
Meat is a good source of protein, vitamins and minerals, including iron, zinc and B vitamins. It's also one of the main sources of vitamin B12. Choose lean cuts of meat and skinless poultry whenever possible to cut down on fat. Always cook meat thoroughly. Try to eat less red and processed meat like bacon, ham and sausages.
Milk and dairy foods Milk and dairy foods, such as cheese and yoghurt, are good sources of protein. They also contain calcium, which helps keep your bones healthy. Go for lower fat and lower sugar products where possible. Choose semi-skimmed, 1% fat or skimmed milk, as well as lower fat hard cheeses or cottage cheese, and lower fat, lower sugar yoghurt.
Irish study says people with highest dairy consumption have lower BMI 23-Feb-2017 By Jim Cornall A new study looking at dairy consumption and its relationship with metabolic health has delivered some promising results
jh79 wrote: » A diet high in fish seems to be the healthiest option.
stefanovich wrote: » Milk and red meat are high in saturated fat and a diet that is low in saturated fat is good for cardiovascular health. It is not much of a leap to suggest that eating less of the same can reduce your risk of cardiovascular disease. I have seen RTE give a platform to several farmers recently where they are suggesting we eat meat and dairy every day. This is most likely bad advice.
markodaly wrote: » https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-10-17/america-is-drowning-in-milk-nobody-wantshttps://www.foxnews.com/us/dairy-farmers-hit-hard-by-declining-milk-demand
Kerrygold becomes Ireland’s first billion euro food brand. Kerrygold has become the first Irish food brand to exceed €1 billion in annual sales, helped by its growing popularity in the United States.
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