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All "settled" residents should lose rights to object to Traveller accommodation...

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    #2
    Cookie_Monster
    Registered Users Posts: 24,473 ✭✭✭✭Cookie_Monster


    and controversial “anti-trespass” legislation, widely used by local authorities to evict Travellers from publicly owned land, should be repealed, says the review

    I can't see anything going wrong with this proposal at all, no sir-ee, nothing at all...


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    #3
    [Deleted User]
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    That's an astonishing report - advocating for an overreach and abuse of government authority. Perhaps residents have legitimate concerns that deserve to be heard? For example, rampant anti-social behaviour, criminality, animal abuse & pollution. The majority of people who work for a living are afforded no protections, and are demoted to the back of the queue should a need for emergency housing arise. It's quite a damning reflection on the powers that be, and wholly unbalances the playing field.


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    #4
    Anto Lynch
    Registered Users Posts: 166 ✭✭Anto Lynch


    A load of them are after setting up an illegal camp off the Ballycoolin road. Must of moved in over night as they were not there yesterday. The place will be destroyed within days.


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    c.p.w.g.w
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    Currently an encampment in Limerick near one of the big industrial estates. Most of the companies have doubled their security per shift.


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    Aglomerado
    Registered Users Posts: 5,761 ✭✭✭Aglomerado


    Deleted User wrote: »
    That's an astonishing report - advocating for an overreach and abuse of government authority. Perhaps residents have legitimate concerns that deserve to be heard? For example, rampant anti-social behaviour, criminality, animal abuse & pollution. The majority of people who work for a living are afforded no protections, and are demoted to the back of the queue should a need for emergency housing arise. It's quite a damning reflection on the powers that be, and wholly unbalances the playing field.

    Working, taxpaying people who are paying mortgages should lose the right to defend the value of their property!:mad:


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    #7
    suicide_circus
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    do Pavee Point have some dirt on some high ranking civil servants in the country or something?


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    #8
    Deebles McBeebles
    Registered Users Posts: 5,753 ✭✭✭Deebles McBeebles


    I, for one, welcome our new Traveller overlords.


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    #9
    Utter Consternation
    Registered Users Posts: 926 ✭✭✭Utter Consternation


    Anto Lynch wrote: »
    A load of them are after setting up an illegal camp off the Ballycoolin road. Must of moved in over night as they were not there yesterday. The place will be destroyed within days. hours.

    Fixed that for you.


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    #10
    Stevieluvsye
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,907 ✭✭✭Stevieluvsye


    Has anyone ever had a nice experience with this lot......ever?

    In a Tesco express at the weekend and i'm top of queue and bridgie and mary totally disregard me, walk straight pass and go to checkout.

    And that's probably called a pleasant experience dealing with them


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    Anto Lynch
    Registered Users Posts: 166 ✭✭Anto Lynch


    Stevieluvsye wrote: »
    Has anyone ever had a nice experience with this lot......ever?

    In a Tesco express at the weekend and i'm top of queue and bridgie and mary totally disregard me, walk straight pass and go to checkout.

    And that's probably called a pleasant experience dealing with them

    They do things like that because people allow them to. Did you not pull them up on it?


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    Sonny noggs
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,523 ✭✭✭Sonny noggs


    Anto Lynch wrote: »
    They do things like that because people allow them to. Did you not pull them up on it?

    Agreed. Happened me a few times in the Clarehall KFC, there was clearly a queue that they attempted to skip. I pointed this out politely and they went to the back of the queue.


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    Franz Von Peppercorn II
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,398 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn II


    Anto Lynch wrote: »
    They do things like that because people allow them to. Did you not pull them up on it?

    It can escalate pretty fast.


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    salmocab
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    Stevieluvsye wrote: »
    Has anyone ever had a nice experience with this lot......ever?

    In a Tesco express at the weekend and i'm top of queue and bridgie and mary totally disregard me, walk straight pass and go to checkout.

    And that's probably called a pleasant experience dealing with them

    I have I’ve met a few through sport. I’ve also had quite a few bad experiences and overall would prefer not to be living too close to them.


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    #15
    Stevieluvsye
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,907 ✭✭✭Stevieluvsye


    Anto Lynch wrote: »
    They do things like that because people allow them to. Did you not pull them up on it?

    I did ye, they ignored me in pink fluffy jarmers

    In fairness the young lad on reception didn't know where to look


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    Kermit.de.frog
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    salmocab wrote: »
    I’ve also had quite a few bad experiences and overall would prefer not to be living too close to them.


    Early contender for understatement of the year on Boards?


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    jammiedodgers
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    Anto Lynch wrote: »
    They do things like that because people allow them to. Did you not pull them up on it?

    Because I'm sure they'd react in a totally polite and non threatening fashion.


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    Anto Lynch
    Registered Users Posts: 166 ✭✭Anto Lynch


    jammiedodgers wrote: »
    Because I'm sure they'd react in a totally polite and non threatening fashion.

    So? They have no clue who you are or what they could be potentially dealing with. These people think they can do what they want because most normal people are in fear them.

    Im not saying everybody is able for them but if youre a grown man i dont see why you should be taking s**t off them.


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    The Specialist
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,539 ✭✭✭The Specialist


    Yeah just try doing this and see what happens. The people responsible for that report are seriously disconnected from the majority sentiment towards this group.


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    Stevieluvsye
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,907 ✭✭✭Stevieluvsye


    I'm thinking about previous experiences i have had with them

    Robbed at knife point (Never caught)
    Garden shed broken in to (Caught and sent to prison)
    Mass brawl between a group of them at the entrance of level 3 at the square
    Emergency brake after one of their horses and carts reared up
    Mass brawl in pub during afters in funeral in Tallaght

    What do these "people" add to society?


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    Omackeral
    Registered Users Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    Personally I think the first encampment should be next to Leo Varadkar's residence to, you know, show leadership.

    Sure didn't 5 out of 6 Presidential Candidates say they'd have no problem with Travellers living on their lawn. No reason our lovely leader wouldn't feel the same.


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    #22
    The Specialist
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,539 ✭✭✭The Specialist


    Stevieluvsye wrote: »
    What do these "people" add to society?

    Absolutely nothing, zero, zilch. Some "cultures" simply need to be thrown on the scrap heap (forgive the pun).


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    Omackeral
    Registered Users Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    Stevieluvsye wrote: »
    Has anyone ever had a nice experience with this lot......ever?

    I get great craic out of a lot of them to be entirely honest. Find some of their turns of phrase to be brilliant. Who could ever forget such classics as "shyte in the bucket, junkies junkies bastard and rat poison face"


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    banie01
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    That's an astonishing report - advocating for an overreach and abuse of government authority. Perhaps residents have legitimate concerns that deserve to be heard? For example, rampant anti-social behaviour, criminality, animal abuse & pollution. The majority of people who work for a living are afforded no protections, and are demoted to the back of the queue should a need for emergency housing arise. It's quite a damning reflection on the powers that be, and wholly unbalances the playing field.

    It is part of a concerted effort to lay all the blame for the woes of the traveller community at the feet of the "settled" community.

    The Traveller groups really are playing a blinder on this.
    Speaking against having Traveller accommodation built in your locale is now, thanks to a long running campaign to promote the "Ethnicity" of the traveller community, seen as Racism!

    Perhaps if the locals took the view that rather than objecting to Traveller accommodation nearby, that they object to state funded accommodation for Organised Crime Gangs?

    I alluded in another thread to my growing belief that a "Separate but equal" strategy for travellers is being actively pursued.
    This further compounds that belief for me, to attempt to bypass constitutional protections of one's property and it's quiet enjoyment at the very least, is a quick path to whichever agency takes this advice being handed it's arse in court.


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    #25
    Leg End Reject
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    This is discrimination against settled people. What about my right to protest boss?
    https://forumofgames.com/index.php

    >>> Staying Alive <<<



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    SEPT 23 1989
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    I wonder where the reports authors Prof Michelle Norris, head of school at University College Dublin’s school of social policy and Conor Norton, head of school in the department of architecture and planning at Technological University Dublin live?


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    CrankyHaus
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    Stevieluvsye wrote: »

    What do these "people" add to society?


    They did make a disproportionate contribution to our traditional music in the past, though I'm not sure of anything similar nowadays.


    They do provide a fair amount of talented boxers.


    With sensible policies travellers could one day be a valued part of our society.
    Instead the state, in consultation with traveller representative bodies like Pavee Point, doubles down on policies that perpetuate and enhance alienation from the settled community, poor educational outcomes, unemployment, criminality, addiction, fraudulent behaviour, local environmental destruction, animal abuse, domestic violence, homophobia and terrible health outcomes. It keeps a cottage industry of lawyers, quangos, "spokespeople" and social science and academic "experts" of nebulous authority on the pigs back though.


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    Leg End Reject
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    SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »
    I wonder where the reports authors Prof Michelle Norris, head of school at University College Dublin’s school of social policy and Conor Norton, head of school in the department of architecture and planning at Technological University Dublin live?

    I'm guessing nowhere need a halting site.
    https://forumofgames.com/index.php

    >>> Staying Alive <<<



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    #29
    Stevieluvsye
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,907 ✭✭✭Stevieluvsye


    CrankyHaus wrote: »
    They did make a disproportionate contribution to our traditional music in the past, though I'm not sure of anything similar nowadays.


    They do provide a fair amount of talented boxers.


    With sensible policies travellers could one day be a valued part of our society.
    Instead the state doubles down on policies that perpetuate and enhance alienation from the settled community, poor educational outcomes, unemployment, criminality, addiction, fraudulent behaviour, local environmental destruction, animal abuse, domestic violence, homophobia and terrible health outcomes. It keeps a cottage industry of lawyers, quangos, "spokespeople" and social science and academic "experts" of nebulous authority on the pigs back though.


    If i don't send stevieluvesye junior to school i would be summonsed to Court.

    Not this lot.

    If they are to ever change their kids should be forced to receive an education like everyone else. Then maybe they may start contributing in the form of paying taxes by working legitimately


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    banie01
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    Leg End Reject wrote: »
    This is discrimination against settled people. What about my right to protest boss?

    "Settled" unfortunately doesn't carry the same caché as victim of societal oppression, nor is it a protected ethnicity in legislation.
    So suck it up, be called a NIMBYer and be prepared to carry the cost of traveller reparations if things keep going the way they are ;)


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    jammiedodgers
    Registered Users Posts: 1,402 ✭✭✭jammiedodgers


    Anto Lynch wrote: »
    So? They have no clue who you are or what they could be potentially dealing with. These people think they can do what they want because most normal people are in fear them.

    Im not saying everybody is able for them but if youre a grown man i dont see why you should be taking s**t off them.

    Because their method of dealing with conflict usually involves bare knuckle boxing, slash hooks or their latest stunt of driving through a graveyard to run you down.


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