Ireland agrees to plan on migrant resettlement

Tony Tucker · 23-07-2019 12:39pm

Bobblehats wrote: »

Unfortunately we’ve a Taoiseach instilled for the wrong sort of backbone. We desperately; badly need someone propped up by sterner stuff for the sake of our fabric and of our very dna. We’re getting shafted lads.

That degenerate doesnt care about the Irish people. That much is obvious.

Help!!!! · 23-07-2019 12:40pm

Bobblehats wrote: »

Unfortunately we’ve a Taoiseach instilled for the wrong sort of backbone. We desperately; badly need someone propped up by sterner stuff for the sake of our fabric and of our very dna. We’re getting shafted lads.

Continue voting for the main political parties & we only have ourselves to blame

Boggles · 23-07-2019 12:46pm

Gatling wrote: »

Lead author of the report, Dr Frances McGinnity, said the findings were concerning in relation to immigrants from Africa, whereas people from Europe and North America had high levels of employment and educational attainment and were performing very well in the Irish labour market.

Hardly surprising. From the Good Doctor herself.

poorer labour market outcomes among this group are likely
to be a combination of somewhat lower educational outcomes, time spent in the asylum system and not in the labour market for those who were seeking protection, and potentially also the experience of racism and discrimination in the Irish labour market

Thanks for highlighting it, it's important.

People seeking asylum were forbidden from working up until very recently.

Gatling · 23-07-2019 12:49pm

Boggles wrote: »

Hardly surprising. From the Good Doctor

Thanks for highlighting it, it'

Shows that the article you posted isn't exactly true

Varik · 23-07-2019 12:52pm

Help!!!! wrote: »

Continue voting for the main political parties & we only have ourselves to blame

We're not given other options, the choices are these main parties or far left half wits from the smaller parties and independents.

Help!!!! · 23-07-2019 12:55pm

Varik wrote: »

We're not given other options, the choices are these main parties or far left half wits from the smaller parties and independents.

The National Party is now ready for the next general election & support is growing daily

creeper1 · 23-07-2019 1:04pm

This idea should not be entertained until the housing crisis and homelessness have been fixed.

Wasn’t that what a minister recently said?

What caused the backing down? Threats about the backstop?

creeper1 · 23-07-2019 1:08pm

Also I think it is important to note that Europe seems powerless to deport failed asylum seekers with return rates dreadfully poor because of legal appeals and human rights lawyers.

When they are in they are effectively permanently in.

Help!!!! · 23-07-2019 1:08pm

creeper1 wrote: »

This idea should not be entertained until the housing crisis and homelessness have been fixed.

Wasn’t that what a minister recently said?

What caused the backing down? Threats about the backstop?

More like €€€€€

CrankyHaus · 23-07-2019 1:09pm

Boggles wrote: »

Hardly surprising. From the Good Doctor herself.

Thanks for highlighting it, it's important.

Quote:
poorer labour market outcomes among this group are likely
to be a combination of somewhat lower educational outcomes, time spent in the asylum system and not in the labour market for those who were seeking protection, and potentially also the experience of racism and discrimination in the Irish labour market

People seeking asylum were forbidden from working up until very recently.

"poorer labour market outcomes among this group are likely
to be...potentially" is not a factual statement. It's the purely speculative opinion of the writer, based on their own biases, seeking to explain away empirical data that presents an inconvenient truth.

An inconvenient truth which you deliberately obscured by presenting the headline figure only, until you got called out on it. I recall most of the media did the same in presenting the report. Can you not say how treating people like idiots, dismissing their reasoned concerns and attempting to mislead them in this way, is only going to increase resentment and fuel racism?

SporadicMan · 23-07-2019 1:14pm

So these huge groups of majority young men hop on their little float boats, get picked up by NGOs, get brought to Europe and get resettled across a wide variety of countries.

The burden is then on the tax payer to support their lifestyles while they get bumped to the top of free housing lists, free spending money, all the time in the world to have plenty of kids. All the while I am paying my tax, working hard to save up the necessary money to live somewhere. Somewhere where my neighbour could very well be somebody who just came here and had the house given to them.

They don't get sent home. They can endlessly appeal any rejections to their asylum claims. The vast majority of deportation orders aren't carried out. They don't go to prison unless they do something truly horrible.

What the hell is happening to Ireland? Or Western Europe in general?

Why is there absolutely no sentiment towards defending the social cohesion of our country? Why do I have to work hard and struggle so these people can come here and get everything handed to them? Just because they made it to the middle of the sea and an NGO picked them up?

If this keeps up, there's going to be a total collapse of society. It's reaching absurd numbers in the last 10 years.

It's at the point where the only explanations that actually makes sense are the ones that would be deemed as 'tin foil hat'. What is the objective here? What does Ireland, and its people, gain from having 90% young male bogus asylum seekers coming to the country?

When did we become so ****ing soft? Something has to happen, I don't think people realise how quickly this stuff will tear the country apart once it's reached the right number to do so.

Why do we just have to accept that our country is fundamentally changing to its core? In 50 years, it'll be unrecognisable. Why is that an inherently good thing that can't be questioned? I want to live in Ireland with a majority of Irish people. Does that make me so bad? I want us to have a home too. Once Ireland's fundamentally changed, we'll be gone forever.

Tony Tucker · 23-07-2019 1:26pm

Help!!!! wrote: »

The National Party is now ready for the next general election & support is growing daily

Are the NP ready for the next election? Who said that?

Id probably vote for them but i think the "9 Principles" needs changing slightly.

But at least they have the best interests of Ireland and Irish people at heart.

SporadicMan · 23-07-2019 1:30pm

Tony Tucker wrote: »

But at least they have the best interests of Ireland and Irish people at heart.

At the end of the day, I will vote selfishly. If NP are the party that are the least likely to have me as a political 'enemy' for whatever reason, then I'll vote for them.

I am not interested in seeing Ireland become a typical European capital with gangs of Africans loitering outside the main train stations, selling trinkets at all tourist attractions and assaulting people at night.

It should never have come to this, so I'll have to vote for an extreme option who will push for a resolution.

Help!!!! · 23-07-2019 1:32pm

Tony Tucker wrote: »

Are the NP ready for the next election? Who said that?

Id probably vote for them but i think the "9 Principles" needs changing slightly.

But at least they have the best interests of Ireland and Irish people at heart.

Yep certainly are, been a member for over a year. Membership growing especially among the under 30s. Cumanns being set up all around the country. If you want to get involved go on their website

Help!!!! · 23-07-2019 1:33pm

SporadicMan wrote: »

At the end of the day, I will vote selfishly. If NP are the party that are the least likely to have me as a political 'enemy' for whatever reason, then I'll vote for them.

I am not interested in seeing Ireland become a typical European capital with gangs of Africans loitering outside the main train stations, selling trinkets at all tourist attractions and assaulting people at night.

It should never have come to this, so I'll have to vote for an extreme option who will push for a resolution.

The NP want controlled immigration but want our own people to have a home to come back to.

Tony Tucker · 23-07-2019 1:33pm

Help!!!! wrote: »

Yep certainly are, been a member for over a year. Membership growing especially among the under 30s. Cumanns being set up all around the country. If you want to get involved go on their website

Im a member.

More shenaningans happening in a DP centre.
https://www.thejournal.ie/direct-provision-cork-4729531-Jul2019/

Harvey Weinstein · 23-07-2019 1:36pm

SporadicMan wrote: »

So these huge groups of majority young men hop on their little float boats, get picked up by NGOs, get brought to Europe and get resettled across a wide variety of countries.

The burden is then on the tax payer to support their lifestyles while they get bumped to the top of free housing lists, free spending money, all the time in the world to have plenty of kids. All the while I am paying my tax, working hard to save up the necessary money to live somewhere. Somewhere where my neighbour could very well be somebody who just came here and had the house given to them.

They don't get sent home. They can endlessly appeal any rejections to their asylum claims. The vast majority of deportation orders aren't carried out. They don't go to prison unless they do something truly horrible.

What the hell is happening to Ireland? Or Western Europe in general?

Why is there absolutely no sentiment towards defending the social cohesion of our country? Why do I have to work hard and struggle so these people can come here and get everything handed to them? Just because they made it to the middle of the sea and an NGO picked them up?

If this keeps up, there's going to be a total collapse of society. It's reaching absurd numbers in the last 10 years.

It's at the point where the only explanations that actually makes sense are the ones that would be deemed as 'tin foil hat'. What is the objective here? What does Ireland, and its people, gain from having 90% young male bogus asylum seekers coming to the country?

When did we become so ****ing soft? Something has to happen, I don't think people realise how quickly this stuff will tear the country apart once it's reached the right number to do so.

Why do we just have to accept that our country is fundamentally changing to its core? In 50 years, it'll be unrecognisable. Why is that an inherently good thing that can't be questioned? I want to live in Ireland with a majority of Irish people. Does that make me so bad? I want us to have a home too. Once Ireland's fundamentally changed, we'll be gone forever.

Great post, cue the deniers who will come along shortly to tell you that everything you have said is not actually happening and its racist to think it is.

Help!!!! · 23-07-2019 1:37pm

Tony Tucker wrote: »

I am a member already.

More shenaningans happening in a DP centre.
https://www.thejournal.ie/direct-provision-cork-4729531-Jul2019/

there was a segment on RTE where women were saying they were not safe in direct provision because there were dodgy men in there, yet there are some in Ireland who would close the DP & let those men loose on the women in Ireland

Tony Tucker · 23-07-2019 1:39pm

Help!!!! wrote: »

there was a segment on RTE where women were saying they were not safe in direct provision because there were dodgy men in there, yet there are some in Ireland who would close the DP & let those men loose on the women in Ireland

Everything else is free, why shouldnt they think the women are too?

Help!!!! · 23-07-2019 1:43pm

Harvey Weinstein wrote: »

Great post, cue the deniers who will come along shortly to tell you that everything you have said is not actually happening and its racist to think it is.

Yeah like theres no African ghettos in Ireland & theres no African gang problems:rolleyes:

Tony Tucker · 23-07-2019 1:43pm

SporadicMan wrote: »

I am not interested in seeing Ireland become a typical European capital with gangs of Africans loitering outside the main train stations, selling trinkets at all tourist attractions and assaulting people at night.

The people out there that are calling for this and enabling it are the real enemies of Ireland. I hope the day comes when they are held accountable.

Patrick2010 · 23-07-2019 1:45pm

Boggles wrote: »

That is hardly surprise given Britain's colonial past.

10-15 years shacked up in a modified theme park on 20 quid a week?

If some is in direct provision for 10-15 years you can be sure they cost us a fortune in having appeal after appeal dismissed and still not deported.
BTW I keep asking people who criticise DP to suggest where they should be housed unless they are given houses but never get a straight answer.

I think its hilarious that some people think the guards can actually vet prospective asylum seekers in Syria.

Some ex-jihadi who could have been in any number of terrorist organizations is hardly going to volunteer this and with no papers he can say he is anyone.

4068ac1elhodqr · 23-07-2019 1:48pm

Tony Tucker wrote: »

The people out there that are calling for this and enabling it are the real enemies of Ireland. I hope the day comes when they are held accountable.

One could say that globalists are the enemy of (any) 'nation state' (maybe also religion, traditional values and so on), just by their default particular viewpoint.

Help!!!! · 23-07-2019 1:49pm

Patrick2010 wrote: »

If some is in direct provision for 10-15 years you can be sure they cost us a fortune in having appeal after appeal dismissed and still not deported.
BTW I keep asking people who criticise DP to suggest where they should be housed unless they are given houses but never get a straight answer.

I think its hilarious that some people think the guards can actually vet prospective asylum seekers in Syria.

Some ex-jihadi who could have been in any number of terrorist organizations is hardly going to volunteer this and with no papers he can say he is anyone.

There should be 1 appeal no more
Solicitors in Dublin are making millions off the system when over 90% of refugees are false

Boggles · 23-07-2019 1:53pm

Help!!!! wrote: »

The National Party is now ready for the next general election & support is growing daily

God Bothering Racists?

Yeah, they'll do well just like Renua.

Help!!!! · 23-07-2019 1:56pm

Boggles wrote: »

God Bothering Racists?

Yeah, they'll do well just like Renua.

Yes we are all racists now:rolleyes:

SporadicMan · 23-07-2019 1:56pm

Boggles wrote: »

God Bothering Racists?

Yeah, they'll do well just like Renua.

As opposed to the open borders alternative.

I'll vote for the ones who have Irish best interests at heart, not the freeloaders who somehow make it to the country and take all they can get.

Anyone responding with faux concerns should've been more in favour of nipping this in the bud early before extremist parties weren't the only option to go to.

Boggles · 23-07-2019 2:03pm

Help!!!! wrote: »

Yes we are all racists now:rolleyes:

Do you agree with their "leader" and "manifesto"?

Then yeah, they are also fúcking boring, painfully boring.

How many seats are ye expecting to fill?

SporadicMan wrote: »

As opposed to the open borders alternative.

You want Ireland to leave the EU?

Fúck me.

Help!!!! · 23-07-2019 2:06pm

Boggles wrote: »

Do you agree with their "leader" and "manifesto"?

Then yeah, they are also fúcking boring.

You want Ireland to leave the EU?

Fúck me.

Yeah keep believing the MSM & being a sheep

SporadicMan · 23-07-2019 2:08pm

Boggles wrote: »

Do you agree with their "leader" and "manifesto"?

You want Ireland to leave the EU?

Fúck me.

I want Ireland to control its borders. I never brought up the EU.

If being a part of the EU means that as a country we can't control our own borders, then yes I absolutely want to leave.

Boggles · 23-07-2019 2:09pm

Help!!!! wrote: »

Yeah keep believing the MSM & being a sheep

I asked you a very simple question, how many seats do you expect your party to win in the next GE?

How many candidates are ye running?

I mean you are on here shilling the party, surely you can answer 2 very basic questions?

Boggles · 23-07-2019 2:11pm

SporadicMan wrote: »

I want Ireland to control its borders. I never brought up the EU.

If being a part of the EU means that as a country we can't control our own borders, then yes I absolutely want to leave.

Am, yeah, this isn't new. Free travel and all that. You probably have availed of it yourself.

So Ireland should leave the EU, in your opinion?

Any downsides do you reckon?

Help!!!! · 23-07-2019 2:13pm

Boggles wrote: »

I asked you a very simple question, how many seats do you expect your party to win in the next GE?

How many candidates are ye running?

I mean you are on here shilling the party, surely you can answer 2 very basic questions?

I'm not the party leader so your asking the wrong person
Anyway you think we wont win any so why would you care?

Calhoun · 23-07-2019 2:15pm

They had really better sort out the difference between migrant and refugee.

I have no issues supporting refugees but economic migrants need to be sent home.

SporadicMan · 23-07-2019 2:16pm

Boggles wrote: »

Am, yeah, this isn't new. Free travel and all that. You probably have availed of it yourself.

So Ireland should leave the EU, in your opinion?

Any downsides do you reckon?

I am against the resettlement/permanent residence of non-European people who are brought to Europe by NGOs or who somehow make their way illegally to Europe, or overstay a tourist/student VISA.

I will no longer replying to you putting words in my mouth so you can structure your 'gotcha!' replies around things I never said. Typical tactic of someone who is trying to move the goalposts.

Tony Tucker · 23-07-2019 2:16pm

The National Party arent looking to leave the EU.

Boggles · 23-07-2019 2:16pm

Help!!!! wrote: »

I'm not the party leader so your asking the wrong person
Anyway you think we wont win any so why would you care?

I'm not a member, you are.

Why don't you ask him and report back, they are not very taxing questions TBF.

Boggles · 23-07-2019 2:19pm

SporadicMan wrote: »

I want Ireland to control its borders. I never brought up the EU.

If being a part of the EU means that as a country we can't control our own borders, then yes I absolutely want to leave.

SporadicMan wrote: »

I am against the resettlement/permanent residence of non-European people who are brought to Europe by NGOs or who somehow make their way illegally to Europe, or overstay a tourist/student VISA.

I will no longer replying to you putting words in my mouth so you can structure your 'gotcha!' replies around things I never said. Typical tactic of someone who is trying to move the goalposts.

You moved the goalposts yourself there Buddy.

But you will be happy to know Ireland does control it's own borders from countries outside the EU.

Crisis over?

Gatling · 23-07-2019 2:21pm

Calhoun wrote: »

They had really better sort out the difference between migrant and refugee.

I have no issues supporting refugees but economic migrants need to be sent home.

But think of the poor farmers who only want cheaper labor

Tony Tucker · 23-07-2019 2:22pm

Gatling wrote: »

But think of the poor farmers who only want cheaper labor

Its slaves they want, where to better to look than the turd world?

Eric Cartman · 23-07-2019 2:22pm

SporadicMan wrote: »

As opposed to the open borders alternative.

I'll vote for the ones who have Irish best interests at heart, not the freeloaders who somehow make it to the country and take all they can get.

Anyone responding with faux concerns should've been more in favour of nipping this in the bud early before extremist parties weren't the only option to go to.

Next GE my vote will be decided by 4 questions

1) Do you support allowing more unskilled migration from africa and the middle east into our state
2) Will you pledge to fight any tax increase against those in the 35k-250k income levels
3) Will you commit to voting against any policy that is anti motorist.
4) Will you commit to having no accommodation for migrants built in your constituency.

whoever can give me the right answers will get my vote. Sadly I think it may be some fringe party that I would never usually vote for in good conscience.

Calhoun · 23-07-2019 2:28pm

There is a level of solidarity that we also need to show with out EU partners. It's why as I said defining refugee or imigrant is critical.

Resettlement of refugees we have to do out bit, cannot leave it to our EU partners to soley carry the can. At the same time having the right checks and balances in place and ensuring we are only sorting refugees and bot economic migrants is critical.

Tokyo · 23-07-2019 2:30pm

Tony Tucker wrote: »

Its slaves they want, where to better to look than the turd world?

Mod: Next comment like that will earn you a thread ban and/or card.

The Enbalmer · 23-07-2019 2:31pm

Calhoun wrote: »

Resettlement of refugees we have to do out bit, cannot leave it to our EU partners to soley carry the can. .

I don't see why Islamic and African migration needs to be addressed by the west when none of their neighbours are willing to take them in.

Quatar,i believe has taken the grand total of feck all from Syria.

Help!!!! · 23-07-2019 2:32pm

Boggles wrote: »

I'm not a member, you are.

Why don't you ask him and report back, they are not very taxing questions TBF.

Nah think I'll leave you guessing

4068ac1elhodqr · 23-07-2019 2:35pm

Calhoun wrote: »

There is a level of solidarity that we also need to show with out EU partners. It's why as I said defining refugee or imigrant is critical.

It's not like Merkel or the trafficking orgs consulted in solidarity with all the member states, and it's not as easy as defining if someone (undocumented) is a vegatarian or not.

Perhaps the EU's future is in zones e.g. NW (Ire, Scandis, Holland, France) Central, South and Eastern blocks. Much like it was when joined back in '73.

Boggles · 23-07-2019 2:39pm

Help!!!! wrote: »

Nah think I'll leave you guessing

So like you all ready said you don't how many candidates ye are running in the next GE?

So when you gleefully announced this in the thread.

Help!!!! wrote: »

The National Party is now ready for the next general election

What measurement of readiness were you actually using?

Gatling · 23-07-2019 2:40pm

Does anyone think the damage is done and totally irreversible when it comes to the mass economic migrant situation that was allowed to happen , with nobody at the top thinking this could cause permanent and lasting damage to European countries

14dMoney · 23-07-2019 2:42pm

Gatling wrote: »

Does anyone think the damage is done and totally irreversible when it comes to the mass economic migrant situation that was allowed to happen , with nobody at the top thinking this could cause permanent and lasting damage to European countries

Of course not! Don't be such a racist! Now bend over, lower your trousers and get ready for your cultural enrichment.

Help!!!! · 23-07-2019 2:43pm

Boggles wrote: »

So like you all ready said you don't how many candidates ye are running in the next GE?

So when you gleefully announced this in the thread.

What measurement of readiness were you actually using?

They are ready to run candidates for the next general election
Seeing as there is no election this year why the hurry to find out?

Ireland agrees to plan on migrant resettlement

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