Ireland agrees to plan on migrant resettlement

4068ac1elhodqr · 27-07-2019 8:56pm

Odhinn wrote: »

Poland? The sense throughout the brexit campaign was a sentiment against bangladeshis and pakistanis rather than poles.

Wrong again, not Poland.
Try again.

Btw you'd be very hard pressed to find anyone with a single bad word to say about the Polish, who generally make every possible effort to integrate. They've also had fiarly close ties to the UK since WW2. A great bunch of lads.

Odhinn · 27-07-2019 9:00pm

Yahir Stale Piranha wrote: »

Wrong again, not Poland.
Try again.

Btw you'd be very hard pressed to find anyone with a single bad word to say about the Polish, who generally make every possible effort to integrate. They've also had fiarly close ties to the UK since WW2. A great bunch of lads.

Is this the failure to distinguish Roma from Romanians?

4068ac1elhodqr · 27-07-2019 9:14pm

Odhinn wrote: »

Is this the failure to distinguish Roma from Romanians?

A slightly ignorant slur you've made upon a nation of people.

The example was purely to demonstate mass migration, and importantly it's rate.

However stats do show the EU-2 are less successful at integration and less so in level of skilled occupation takeup, compared to others from the EU.

Yes there is a seperate issue with 'Roma' but let's paint everyone with the same brush. Again the example is simply to show the speed and volume of a country at the far reach of SE Europe that has very little affinity with Britain.

Poland increased, but they joined way back in 2004, and much of this is natural expansion and on the back of successful integration. One curiousity is +300,000 from Italy, are these Italians, or those identifying as Italian?

mvl · 28-07-2019 9:27am

Yahir Stale Piranha wrote: »

You mean you don't know?
Sure Thought you knew everything...

Clue: It borders the Ukraine.

Yahir Stale Piranha wrote: »

I said the uk had 'reasonable and steady migration from places like India. Which is fine and dandy.
Reasonable isn't the same as 'mass-migration' - i.e. That from sub-sahara africa and the middle east (into the EU 2015) that the uk has little affinity with.
...And the country that overtaken the Irish (their neighbour) in the uk, isn't India is it. It's a country not of their empire, language or culture. And it replaced the Irish position in a handful of years.

What is mass migration in your view ? EU free movement is not mass migration in mine. In table 3 if you look at country of origin, Poland/India/Pakistan, ROI were still ahead or Romanians in 2016.

While in 2014 UK raised the restrictions for free movement for A2, imo in 2016 there is a small increase of A2 residents in UK, but I do think this is smaller compared to A8 numbers similar period. So if anyone suggests Brexit is caused by EU free movement from A2, I'd actually think seeds were planted with A8 (there were no restrictions imposed in 2004) - http://theconversation.com/the-huge-political-cost-of-blairs-decision-to-allow-eastern-european-migrants-unfettered-access-to-britain-66077

Anyhows - thinking quotas (based on country of origin, coupled with the overall non-nationals integration status ...) may improve the outcome for here, with the goal to prioritize potential staff (skilled & reasonably healthy) for real jobs - and best effort for the rest (based on how full the government's bucket is).

Timberrrrrrrr · 28-07-2019 9:54am

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Ive had a lot of incidents through my college years on mdma, never once was there a temptation to run down a road after women and masturbate over them, not even vaugely close. But then again the belief system I was raised with actually sees women as human beings so..... different strokes (pun intended)

That certainly explains a lot.

Boggles · 28-07-2019 10:07am

Yahir Stale Piranha wrote: »

The UK has always had steady and 'reasonable' migration, from India etc, but in recent years it's been uninvited 'mass-migration'. Even the Irish have been overtaken there, in just a few short years, by a country that Britian shares no commonality with.

The majority of illegal or irregular migrants in the UK were invited, they entered perfectly legally under the UK's immigration system.

It has the sum of fúck all to do with the EU.

Maybe they need to write that on the side of the bus.

Interestingly Bozo wants to give them an amnesty.

28-07-2019 10:09am

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

That certainly explains a lot.

What does it explain?

ArchXStanton · 28-07-2019 10:19am

SporadicMan wrote: »

So these huge groups of majority young men hop on their little float boats, get picked up by NGOs, get brought to Europe and get resettled across a wide variety of countries.

The burden is then on the tax payer to support their lifestyles while they get bumped to the top of free housing lists, free spending money, all the time in the world to have plenty of kids. All the while I am paying my tax, working hard to save up the necessary money to live somewhere. Somewhere where my neighbour could very well be somebody who just came here and had the house given to them.

They don't get sent home. They can endlessly appeal any rejections to their asylum claims. The vast majority of deportation orders aren't carried out. They don't go to prison unless they do something truly horrible.

What the hell is happening to Ireland? Or Western Europe in general?

Why is there absolutely no sentiment towards defending the social cohesion of our country? Why do I have to work hard and struggle so these people can come here and get everything handed to them? Just because they made it to the middle of the sea and an NGO picked them up?

If this keeps up, there's going to be a total collapse of society. It's reaching absurd numbers in the last 10 years.

It's at the point where the only explanations that actually makes sense are the ones that would be deemed as 'tin foil hat'. What is the objective here? What does Ireland, and its people, gain from having 90% young male bogus asylum seekers coming to the country?

When did we become so ****ing soft? Something has to happen, I don't think people realise how quickly this stuff will tear the country apart once it's reached the right number to do so.

Why do we just have to accept that our country is fundamentally changing to its core? In 50 years, it'll be unrecognisable. Why is that an inherently good thing that can't be questioned? I want to live in Ireland with a majority of Irish people. Does that make me so bad? I want us to have a home too. Once Ireland's fundamentally changed, we'll be gone forever.

What's happening to Ireland or western Europe in general?

The answer to that is the EU who seem to be performing some weird social engineering experiment to water down national identities and create soulless consumerist ****holes,and of course Ireland is all too quick to bend over backwards for them,and the majority of the thickos here support this organisation...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbIc1LZqIAw

Kivaro · 28-07-2019 10:44am

No word yet on the numbers of African migrants that Macron has decided that Ireland will get. He did dictate that the process will be be "quick" and "automatic", so Ireland will have no real say in the matter. They will be given to us and more than likely we should expect a great deal more to come with the next resettlement plan.

Wonder if the 3 Sudanese nationals found in the back of a truck in Galway on Wednesday will be part of that group. No way are they are going to be sent back to Sudan via the safe European countries that they traversed in order to get to Ireland's social welfare paradise.

Meanwhile, children with special needs in Cork are being denied access to crucial services because of two-year waiting lists for an initial assessment of their condition. But shhh, our tax-payer money needs to be spent elsewhere.

Wanderer78 · 28-07-2019 10:47am

Kivaro wrote:

Wonder if the 3 Sudanese nationals found in the back of a truck in Galway on Wednesday will be part of that group. No way are they are going sent back to Sudan via the safe European countries that they traversed in order to get to Ireland's social welfare paradise

Mellow out will yea, it's Sunday, enjoy yourself

mvl · 28-07-2019 10:53am

ArchXStanton wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbIc1LZqIAw

I thought Savini increased fines for the NGOs quite considerably.

http://www.ansa.it/english/news/general_news/2019/07/09/1-mn-euro-fines-for-ngo-ships_87547f9d-9f2e-43cf-887f-ff6aaa462240.html

recedite · 28-07-2019 10:59am

mvl wrote: »

I thought Savini increased fines for the NGOs quite considerably.

What date is that video though? Maybe an old one.

recedite · 28-07-2019 11:06am

Kivaro wrote: »

He did dictate that the process will be be "quick" and "automatic", so Ireland will have no real say in the matter.

I don't like that word "automatic".
Have we just agreed to become France's new dumping ground for the unwanted vagrants sleeping rough in the streets of Paris and the dunes of Calais?

enricoh · 28-07-2019 11:16am

Kivaro wrote: »

No word yet on the numbers of African migrants that Macron has decided that Ireland will get. He did dictate that the process will be be "quick" and "automatic", so Ireland will have no real say in the matter. They will be given to us and more than likely we should expect a great deal more to come with the next resettlement plan.

Wonder if the 3 Sudanese nationals found in the back of a truck in Galway on Wednesday will be part of that group. No way are they are going to be sent back to Sudan via the safe European countries that they traversed in order to get to Ireland's social welfare paradise.

Meanwhile, children with special needs in Cork are being denied access to crucial services because of two-year waiting lists for an initial assessment of their condition. But shhh, our tax-payer money needs to be spent elsewhere.

Aint no plum jobs in Europe for sorting out the kids waiting lists.

mvl · 28-07-2019 11:18am

Kivaro wrote: »

No word yet on the numbers of African migrants that Macron has decided that Ireland will get. He did dictate that the process will be be "quick" and "automatic", so Ireland will have no real say in the matter. They will be given to us and more than likely we should expect a great deal more to come with the next resettlement plan.

Have you an idea how many France would get ?

- appears from what Monica Frassoni (Green party) was saying, Macron can be inconsistent on migration ... even hypocritical (that was in June last year):

https://europeangreens.eu/news/france-must-also-open-its-ports-migrants

France is the third country in the EU in terms of asylum requests after Germany and, yes, Italy: 91,000 for France vs 130,000 for Italy in 2017. But, and here is one very big difference, France ranks only 26th out of 28th Member States in terms of receiving refugees, an average of 1 out of 3 (the EU average is 1 out of 2). France has also relocated only 635 migrants (635!) from Italy, within the framework of the EU resettlement scheme. By comparison, Germany relocated 5,434 people. Only Poland and the Czech Republic proportionally refuse more asylum applications than France.

JohnMc1 · 28-07-2019 11:33am

recedite wrote: »

I don't like that word "automatic".
Have we just agreed to become France's new dumping ground for the unwanted vagrants sleeping rough in the streets of Paris and the dunes of Calais?

Seems like it since Varadkar is desperate to win their approval.

recedite · 28-07-2019 11:37am

mvl wrote: »

Have you an idea how many France would get ?

The French won't be getting any under the redistribution plan - they will be getting rid them.

'Tis better to give than to receive as it says in the bible.

Odhinn · 28-07-2019 12:26pm

Yahir Stale Piranha wrote: »

A slightly ignorant slur you've made upon a nation of people.

................

I think brexit is a slur they made upon themselves.

STB. · 28-07-2019 12:40pm

What a car crash of a thread this is, dragged off into stupid discussions.

700+ posts, with one poster responsible for over 125 of those posts.

And still the question posed by the OP has not been answered. The media don't seem to have been following this one.

AlekSmart · 28-07-2019 10:27pm

Yahir Stale Piranha wrote: »

Maybe read it again (slowly with glasses on):

I said the uk had 'reasonable and steady migration from places like India. Which is fine and dandy.

Reasonable isn't the same as 'mass-migration' - i.e. That from sub-sahara africa and the middle east (into the EU 2015) that the uk has little affinity with.

...And the country that overtaken the Irish (their neighbour) in the uk, isn't India is it. It's a country not of their empire, language or culture. And it replaced the Irish position in a handful of years.

Reasonable & Steady are not words which curry much favour round these parts any longer

Once our European allies decided to embark on a regime change adventure in Libya,then the genie was finally out to play.

https://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/11/world/europe/11france.html

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-libya-italy/gaddafi-berlusconi-sign-accord-worth-billions-idUSLU29214620080831

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/berlusconi-gaddafi-assassination_n_3435100?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAMwx0fOg8A5vBkzxQGl0qUVdSkGXagdh92v6jgfLmfqkPsBEX0bySxxFC69ZGONRJjYDq1r19tIpGoBgI3z1BiT4A_ESWt9BccHKyZ_g2tbS_S25CnQsZHglcLkZo2PahLqIOHMetqoFnMr_bjBGAkwychsXkWyOScEHptNE-GAm

At least some had the chance to question David Cameron on the issue,and his responses were luke warm at best ?

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-35300667

I expect Prime Minister Johnson will soon be putting it up to those inscrutible Chinese,as the Hong Kong democracy protests continue,or maybe thats a different sort of democracy than was worrying the Euro Leaders back in 2011 ?

Whether we in the cultured West like it or not,Gadaffi had the measure of those attempting to topple him,however he badly miscalculated the depth of commitment within his European "allies",a calculation our own Taoiseach may soon have to revisit,as the UK's exercise of it's democratically reached Brexit process continues apace.

Just like the British,the French,Germans,Italians,and assorted other whizz-bang modern European democracies,all understand how Empires function and adjust their foreign policies accordingly.

Ireland,and it's leaders,have a bit to go yet on that front.

Boggles · 29-07-2019 10:18am

STB. wrote: »

And still the question posed by the OP has not been answered

Who do you want to answer it? Flanagan? I doubt he is a user.

STB. wrote: »

The media don't seem to have been following this one.

How do you think the OP found the story?

mandrake04 · 29-07-2019 1:28pm

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

So you’re clearly ignorant of the thousands and thousands of Irish people in Australia there quite legally who behaved so ****in abysmally there’s a campaign to get rid of them all and send them home.

Right so.

LOLLL Eh.... I been living in Australia for 15 years.... and simply that did not happen.

Sure there were a few backpackers on holiday got drunk and started fighting each other made local news for like 1 day and then RTE news and Joe Duffy but that's about it.

There was no campaign to get rid of anyone... you just made that up.

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

Was actually referring to students nobody else. They’ve wrecked countless apartments and been lumped in (rightly) with the gougers you refer to.

Do keep up.

These Thousands upon Thousands of Irish students is more of your BS, on the average year there is about 350 Irish people on student visas in Australia... this might have went up to 550 per year at the most during the recession.

6034073

Kivaro · 29-07-2019 1:45pm

mandrake04 wrote: »

There was no campaign to get rid of anyone... you just made that up.

Posting actual statistics and facts will do little to stop him and the usual contingent of anti-Irish posters on here from making up stuff to support their goal of open borders.

Boggles · 29-07-2019 1:55pm

Kivaro wrote: »

Posting actual statistics and facts will do little to stop him and the usual contingent of anti-Irish posters on here from making up stuff to support their goal of open borders.

You forgot to add

Vote The National Party.

:rolleyes:

Ultimate Seduction · 29-07-2019 4:27pm

Bring em in. Great bunch of lads. This is the 3rd time an African migrant has done this to innocent women and this time 8 year old child.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2019/0729/1065862-boy-killed-by-train-in-germany/

JohnMc1 · 29-07-2019 4:40pm

Ultimate Seduction wrote: »

Bring em in. Great bunch of lads. This is the 3rd time an African migrant has done this to innocent women and this time 8 year old child.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2019/0729/1065862-boy-killed-by-train-in-germany/

Isn't Cultural Enrichment wonderful? I can't see why anybody would be against mass immigration from the 3rd World.

Boggles · 29-07-2019 4:57pm

Syrian migrant praised for rescuing drowning toddler in Germany

Ultimate Seduction · 29-07-2019 4:59pm

Boggles wrote: »

Syrian migrant praised for rescuing drowning toddler in Germany

It seems people call the African migrants refugees and they call Syrian refugees migrants, not on purpose I'm sure...

Boggles · 29-07-2019 5:11pm

Ultimate Seduction wrote: »

It seems people call the African migrants refugees and they call Syrian refugees migrants, not on purpose I'm sure...

Macron makes hero Malian migrant 'Spiderman' an honorary French citizen after he saves toddler on balcony

Eric Cartman · 29-07-2019 5:16pm

Ultimate Seduction wrote: »

Boggles wrote: »

Syrian migrant praised for rescuing drowning toddler in Germany

It seems people call the African migrants refugees and they call Syrian refugees migrants, not on purpose I'm sure...

If you do a search for DW stories about migrants , it calls them migrants when they want to come in, calls them refugees when something bad happens to them, always posts a story about something good / them being a victim in the same day as it posts something bad and leaves out their country of origin when they do a crime, some stories will admit they are migrants in the 4th-5th paragraph, most not.

This story
https://www.google.ie/url?sa=i&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwiJzqOhwtrjAhWcSxUIHUUDBrsQzPwBegQIARAC&url=https://www.dw.com/en/police-seek-witnesses-in-dusseldorf-gang-rape-case/a-49344679&psig=AOvVaw0LAfg7bfecMqZSxvz2N8MM&ust=1564503074435291

names them as jamal, momo, bilal , with no ethnicity and the followup story about the trial says they are all of diverse background (iraqi, syrian and algerian) being the list of diverse, 4 paragraphs in...

Anto Lynch · 29-07-2019 5:51pm

Boggles wrote: »

Macron makes hero Malian migrant 'Spiderman' an honorary French citizen after he saves toddler on balcony

Staged nonsense. Child could have been pulled to safety at any stage.

Anto Lynch · 29-07-2019 5:53pm

No doubt about it Germany have got the dregs of Africa living in their country.

Ultimate Seduction · 29-07-2019 6:52pm

Christian churches get valdalised all over the country every week and it's not news worthy.

This is the agenda that'll be pushed hard from now on

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1155823676538970112?s=19

Boggles · 29-07-2019 7:15pm

Utter Scum bags.

Gatling · 29-07-2019 7:20pm

Ultimate Seduction wrote: »

Christian churches get valdalised all over the country every week and it's not news worthy.

This is the agenda that'll be pushed hard from now

Think of all the gang crimes being carried out in parts of Dublin where the Gardai refuse to give descriptions of the suspects that also doesn't make the news

Ultimate Seduction · 29-07-2019 7:21pm

Boggles wrote: »

Utter Scum bags.

Indeed. It takes a special kind of scum to do that to any place of worship. I don't see how a broken window is worth of the national broadcasters news though.

Boggles · 29-07-2019 7:51pm

Ultimate Seduction wrote: »

Indeed. It takes a special kind of scum to do that to any place of worship. I don't see how a broken window is worth of the national broadcasters news though.

It was slightly more than a broken window, did you not read the article you posted?

stones were found inside and it is believed these were used to break the windows and doors inside.

Damage was caused to two offices, with wardrobes and cabinets broken along with computer screens.

....his study had been destroyed and his family photos were thrown out onto the street

Ultimate Seduction · 29-07-2019 8:01pm

Boggles wrote: »

It was slightly more than a broken window, did you not read the article you posted?

Of course I read it. Do you think that's worthy of National news ? Churches, schools, factorys ect are valdalised all over the country every weekend.

Boggles · 29-07-2019 8:15pm

Ultimate Seduction wrote: »

Of course I read it.

Why then, did you try and minimize it by declaring it just a broken window?

Ultimate Seduction wrote: »

Do you think that's worthy of National news ? Churches, schools, factorys ect are valdalised all over the country every weekend.

I have no idea, you will have to ask RTE about it, a very quick search indicates they seem to have form reporting these kind of things.

https://www.rte.ie/news/player/2018/1101/21456755-church-of-ireland-in-tullamore-faces-hefty-bill-after-windows-smashed-by-local-vandals/

https://www.rte.ie/news/dublin/2019/0225/1032776-st-michans-crypt-crusader/

I assume you have a problem with those 2 stories being reported on as well?

Gatling · 29-07-2019 8:26pm

Seems a little bit ott -

"Security has to be tightened now, which is sad that we will have to come into a mosque with the fear of having to put security outside in case someone comes in. And maybe the next time they will come in while we are praying and attack us."

JohnMc1 · 29-07-2019 8:30pm

Gatling wrote: »

Seems a little bit ott -

"Security has to be tightened now, which is sad that we will have to come into a mosque with the fear of having to put security outside in case someone comes in. And maybe the next time they will come in while we are praying and attack us."

Makes you wonder in this day of fake hate crimes.

Timberrrrrrrr · 29-07-2019 8:35pm

Ultimate Seduction wrote: »

Of course I read it. Do you think that's worthy of National news ? Churches, schools, factorys ect are valdalised all over the country every weekend.

Are they religiously motivated attacks or just scumbags being scumbags?

Timberrrrrrrr · 29-07-2019 8:36pm

Gatling wrote: »

Seems a little bit ott -

"Security has to be tightened now, which is sad that we will have to come into a mosque with the fear of having to put security outside in case someone comes in. And maybe the next time they will come in while we are praying and attack us."

Why is it OTT? It's happened before whats to say it wont happen again?

Timberrrrrrrr · 29-07-2019 8:36pm

JohnMc1 wrote: »

Makes you wonder in this day of fake hate crimes.

Which "fake hate crimes"?

Gatling · 29-07-2019 8:38pm

JohnMc1 wrote: »

Makes you wonder in this day of fake hate crimes.

Oddly enough it looks like the average break in no real damage doesn't look like major damage inside the building no graffiti ,no racist symbols or even anything Isis related .

A bit odd

Harvey Weinstein · 29-07-2019 9:10pm

Gatling wrote: »

Oddly enough it looks like the average break in no real damage doesn't look like major damage inside the building no graffiti ,no racist symbols or even anything Isis related .

A bit odd

It does indeed look like a break in/burglary, however the Irish media have decided that its a hate crime and they will milk it for all its worth.

Gatling · 29-07-2019 9:22pm

Harvey Weinstein wrote: »

however the Irish media have decided that its a hate crime and they will milk it for all its worth.

And I'd hazard a guess that a a few on here will too

JohnMc1 · 30-07-2019 12:12am

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Which "fake hate crimes"?

Jussie Smollet, A Lesbian punching herself in the face to claim she was a victim of gay bashing, A Lesbian couple burned down their own home for the same reason, A Black waitress wrote the n word on a receipt so she can claim to be a victim of racism. Plenty of more.

weldoninhio · 30-07-2019 8:20am

JohnMc1 wrote: »

Jussie Smollet, A Lesbian punching herself in the face to claim she was a victim of gay bashing, A Lesbian couple burned down their own home for the same reason, A Black waitress wrote the n word on a receipt so she can claim to be a victim of racism. Plenty of more.

Yeah, but apart from those ones!!

Boggles · 30-07-2019 8:43am

Gatling wrote: »

And I'd hazard a guess that a a few on here will too

Have the Gardaí ruled it out?

Either way bizarre reaction from some on here to what at the very list was a wanton act of vandalism.

Hopefully these pond scum are caught and dealt with appropriately.

Ireland agrees to plan on migrant resettlement

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