Lady can't have her hairy balls waxed [mod notes/warnings in post #1]

MrFresh · 22-07-2019 11:48am

drunkmonkey wrote: »

There you go, we've established she's not a hermaphrodite. She's a male but we all have to refer to her as a female. She does not have equal rights to a female therefore she is not female.
Why do we have to subscribe to her idea of gender but we not allowed subscribe to our own.

Your still skirting around the issue at hand, you either support equal rights for trans people or you don't. Why don't you just come out and say you do or don't think trans women should have equal rights with women.
I don't support the idea there equal. That makes me a bigot.
Your supporting some of her rights but not all of her rights. Pin you medals to your chest and pick a side.

Again this isn't about the person it's about equal rights.

They should have the same rights as biological women. And if you can find a biological woman who the waxer in question gave a scrotum wax to you might have a point. But the person in question is asking for something extra to what would be provided to a biological woman. If she was post op and being refused, it would be a different matter.

conorhal · 22-07-2019 11:50am

MrFresh wrote: »

They should have the same rights as biological women. And if you can find a biological woman who the waxer in question gave a scrotum wax to you might have a point. But the person in question is asking for something extra to what would be provided to a biological woman. If she was post op and being refused, it would be a different matter.

MrFresh · 22-07-2019 11:54am

conorhal wrote: »

Not sure you are using that correctly.

Sittingpretty · 22-07-2019 11:58am

MrFresh wrote: »

They should have the same rights as biological women. And if you can find a biological woman who the waxer in question gave a scrotum wax to you might have a point. But the person in question is asking for something extra to what would be provided to a biological woman. If she was post op and being refused, it would be a different matter.

It wouldn’t be a different matter.

The beautician in question is equally entitled as a biological woman not to be forced or bullied by any agenda that makes her touch what she considers a man.

Trans women/men have every right to live as they please and amend their body accordingly and request that others call them by their new names etc but other people should not have to be forced to be complicit in believing that they are now, because they want to be, their chosen sex. In my opinion, they are not, and never will be.

In short The Lydia Foys of this world should be entitled and consenting adults to do as they please and dress how they please and present themselves to the world as they please without the fear of critique or nastiness from anyone else but do I want her in the shower at the gym beside me? Or competing against me on the track? No. I do not.

suicide_circus · 22-07-2019 12:00pm

MrFresh wrote: »

Not sure you are using that correctly.

its a response to trans ideology i've used myself.

drunkmonkey · 22-07-2019 12:02pm

MrFresh wrote: »

They should have the same rights as biological women. And if you can find a biological woman who the waxer in question gave a scrotum wax to you might have a point. But the person in question is asking for something extra to what would be provided to a biological woman. If she was post op and being refused, it would be a different matter.

So she should have the same rights as a biological woman but she shouldn't have the same rights. So you don't support equal rights even though you claim to? Is that correct?
Post op has nothing to do with it, you can't paint a banana green and claim it's a cucumber, it's still a banana. If they don't want to work downstairs on anything but real women they shouldn't have to but the state is forcing them to or closing them down.

Jimmy Garlic · 22-07-2019 12:04pm

I wonder how many cross dressing perverts claim to be trans in order to act out their fantasies...getting their cock and balls waxed for example. A lot of "women" who claim to be trans look like Paul Gascoigne in a dress bought in a charity shop for a quid. No idea about fashion, hair, make up.. things you would have assume they would at least have a basic knowledge of when they claim to be women.

ohnonotgmail · 22-07-2019 12:06pm

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

I wonder how many cross dressing perverts claim to be trans in order to act out their fantasies...getting their cock and balls waxed for example. A lot of "women" who claim to be trans look like Paul Gascoigne in a dress bought in a charity shop for a quid. No idea about fashion, hair, make up.. things you would have assume they would at least have a basic knowledge of when they claim to be women.

you know that men can do that already, right?

gmisk · 22-07-2019 12:08pm

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

I wonder how many cross dressing perverts claim to be trans in order to act out their fantasies...getting their cock and balls waxed for example. A lot of "women" who claim to be trans look like Paul Gascoigne in a dress bought in a charity shop for a quid. No idea about fashion, hair, make up.. things you would have assume they would at least have a basic knowledge of when they claim to be women.

I would be surprised if many lads are getting their sexual kicks from getting their balls waxed....

gmisk · 22-07-2019 12:10pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

you know that men can do that already, right?

Yeahhh but these are made up cross dressing pervs claiming to be trans to act out their fantasies....its totally different...:rolleyes:
Its endemic everyone is doing it havent you heard?

ohnonotgmail · 22-07-2019 12:12pm

gmisk wrote: »

I would be surprised if many lads are getting their sexual kicks from getting their balls waxed....

it never struck me as a fun activity.

MrFresh · 22-07-2019 12:13pm

Sittingpretty wrote: »

It wouldn’t be a different matter.

The beautician in question is equally entitled as a biological woman not to be forced or bullied by any agenda that makes her touch what she considers a man.

Trans women/men have every right to live as they please and amend their body accordingly and request that others call them by their new names etc but other people should not have to be forced to be complicit in believing that they are now, because they want to be, their chosen sex. In my opinion, they are not, and never will be.

In short The Lydia Foys of this world should be entitled and consenting adults to do as they please and dress how they please and present themselves to the world as they please without the fear of critique or nastiness from anyone else but do I want her in the shower at the gym beside me? Or competing against me on the track? No. I do not.

It would be a different matter because you would be rejecting someone based solely on their gender as opposed to what was between their legs. It doesn't necessarily mean it would be illegal either though.

suicide_circus wrote: »

its a response to trans ideology i've used myself.

You see yourself as Picard resisting brainwashing?

drunkmonkey wrote: »

So she should have the same rights as a biological woman but she shouldn't have the same rights. So you don't support equal rights even though you claim to? Is that correct?
Post op has nothing to do with it, you can't paint a banana green and claim it's a cucumber, it's still a banana. If they don't want to work downstairs on anything but real women they shouldn't have to but the state is forcing them to or closing them down.

Is the case not still before the courts?

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

I wonder how many cross dressing perverts claim to be trans in order to act out their fantasies...getting their cock and balls waxed for example. A lot of "women" who claim to be trans look like Paul Gascoigne in a dress bought in a charity shop for a quid. No idea about fashion, hair, make up.. things you would have assume they would at least have a basic knowledge of when they claim to be women.

Other than a few reported cases, it seems to be a fantasy held mainly by people who are anti trans.

gmisk · 22-07-2019 12:15pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

it never struck me as a fun activity.

I used to get my back waxed.....it is flipping horrendous! It could be used as a torture technique!

I cant imagine the pain of getting anywhere really sensitive done!

(Laser is the way to go btw)

ohnonotgmail · 22-07-2019 12:19pm

gmisk wrote: »

I used to get my back waxed.....it is flipping horrendous! It could be used as a torture technique!

I cant imagine the pain of getting anywhere really sensitive done!

(Laser is the way to go btw)

i am not putting a laser anywhere near my danglies. Have you never seen goldfinger?

ohnonotgmail · 22-07-2019 12:20pm

MrFresh wrote: »

Other than a few reported cases, it seems to be a fantasy held mainly by people who are anti trans.

Some serious projection from one or two posters alright.

gmisk · 22-07-2019 12:21pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

i am not putting a laser anywhere near my danglies. Have you never seen goldfinger?

Ha me either (laser on back only).
Im not even sure goldfinger was a trained beautician!

suicide_circus · 22-07-2019 12:24pm

MrFresh wrote: »

You see yourself as Picard resisting brainwashing?

not under the same torturous duress obviously but truth and reality are certainly under fire here, yes.

Jimmy Garlic · 22-07-2019 12:51pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

you know that men can do that already, right?

Why don't they go to places where it's not an issue then? Id assume gay fellas get it done in places where it isn't an issue. The vast majority of beauticians don't want to wax a cock and balls, they didn't sign up for that. Is it an attention seeking technique? A way to claim decrimination like those who target bakeries run by Christians?

ohnonotgmail · 22-07-2019 12:53pm

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

Why don't they go to places where it's not an issue then? Id assume gay fellas get it done in places where it isn't an issue. The vast majority of beauticians don't want to wax a cock and balls, they didn't sign up for that. Is it an attention seeking technique? A way to claim decrimination like those who target bakeries run by Christians?

why do you think only gay men do it?

Tokyo · 22-07-2019 12:58pm

Mod: The whataboutery is getting ridiculous, and is detracting from the discussion at hand. If you can't discuss the topic sensibly, then don't post.

Glass fused light · 22-07-2019 1:19pm

Reposted with foot notes #415 Or thereabouts

Glass fused light · 22-07-2019 1:26pm

Hate speech filter
**** = C*nt
TERF = TERF
Anyway I need to go back and read from page 9

And .....

SlowBlowin · 22-07-2019 1:30pm

Anyone else find the above post just a ramble and difficult to understand the points being made ?

I employed 2 trans staff, and was interested in the subject, but I find it difficult to read.

gmisk · 22-07-2019 1:34pm

SlowBlowin wrote: »

Anyone else find the above post just a ramble and difficult to understand the points being made ?

I employed 2 trans staff, and was interested in the subject, but I find it difficult to read.

It is a rambling mess and I am entirely lost with regards what point they are trying to make so nope definitely not just you.

Glass fused light · 22-07-2019 1:48pm

gmisk wrote: »

It is a rambling mess and I am entirely lost with regards what point they are trying to make so nope definitely not just you.

Good have a good read of it and think about where the rambling mess goes

Because all of the little points which don't make it flow are the point.

We started off deciding that men can become women and women can become men.

And it's the little things that women said and were told to STFU about

Now it's men heading into the Olympics as women in women's sport.

People trying to argue that a woman has the obligation to wax anybody pre or post op.
But hiding it under a human right

Own it if a man becomes a woman their body is female no exceptions granted.

Glass fused light · 22-07-2019 1:54pm

SlowBlowin wrote: »

Anyone else find the above post just a ramble and difficult to understand the points being made ?

I employed 2 trans staff, and was interested in the subject, but I find it difficult to read.

Question as an employer are you leagly obliged to give a trans man with a gender recognition cert protection under maternity legistation if he becomes preganant?

jimgoose · 22-07-2019 1:55pm

I'm a lady, I don't have testicles. Well perhaps tiny little lady testiclés...

klaaaz · 22-07-2019 1:59pm

Glass fused light wrote: »

Question as an employer are you leagly obliged to give a trans man with a gender recognition cert protection under maternity legistation if he becomes preganant?

Which country? The thread is about Canada, then you jumped into American civil law and you're asking that question on an Irish forum. Each country as you know has different laws, so which country you referring to in your incoherent ramblings?

suicide_circus · 22-07-2019 2:06pm

Glass fused light wrote: »

Question as an employer are you leagly obliged to give a trans man with a gender recognition cert protection under maternity legistation if he becomes preganant?

i'd imagine the person would be entitled to both maternity and paternity benefits. The solution is to make no distinction, call it parental leave and have no difference in entitlements between the genders.

gmisk · 22-07-2019 2:28pm

Glass fused light wrote: »

Good have a good read of it and think about where the rambling mess goes

Because all of the little points which don't make it flow are the point.

We started off deciding that men can become women and women can become men.
Do I think people can genuinely believe they were born a women when they were born a man and vice versa, yes I have no experience with regards this area though.

And it's the little things that women said and were told to STFU about
No idea what you are on about here? What were women saying that they now cant say?

Now it's men heading into the Olympics as women in women's sport.
I honestly dont think I know enough about this to comment, but I dont think it is widespread, there are a few instances.

People trying to argue that a woman has the obligation to wax anybody pre or post op.
But hiding it under a human right
I dont think there is really anyone on here saying that this woman should have to wax someones balls when they aren't trained to....has anyone said they should? Waxing balls is not a human right...

Own it if a man becomes a woman their body is female no exceptions granted.
Nope no idea what you mean here. Own what?

I am trying to understand what you are saying but as you say yourself it is a rambling mess.

Franz Von Peppercorn II · 22-07-2019 2:28pm

MrFresh wrote: »

It would be a different matter because you would be rejecting someone based solely on their gender as opposed to what was between their legs. It doesn't necessarily mean it would be illegal either though.

The Canadian Court is still deciding. It might well decide that not offering a service to trans women is discriminatory.

You see yourself as Picard resisting brainwashing?

Well you are definitely brainwashed.

Other than a few reported cases, it seems to be a fantasy held mainly by people who are anti trans.

How can any reported cases be a fantasy. It’s either happening or it isn’t. It is happening and is a case we are discussing.

Also this case will be a precedent so more of this will happen.

Mr E · 22-07-2019 2:29pm

Mod: I've deleted some posts that were off topic for this case (the balls situation). We don't want this thread to become a catch-all for any and all trans stories. Cheers...

Hedgelayer · 22-07-2019 2:32pm

Was she looking for the good old crack sack and back.

I remember back in the 90's women I knew who were beauticians used to do the good old crack back and sack.....

Don't tell me time's have changed....omg

Franz Von Peppercorn II · 22-07-2019 2:41pm

MrFresh wrote: »

You're attempting to create a false dilemma. Just because someone is in favour of trans people being treated like the gender they identify as, it doesn't mean they have to support this particular case. The real world, and the law, is plenty of grey area.

It is in its fcuk.

Either transwomen are legal women or they aren’t. If you wokes merely believed that transwomen were a seperate and distinct category then there would be no issue. That’s the grey area.

However the law sees transwomen as women in Canada, and therefore has to treat them so.

In fact you are trying to wriggle out of this case by saying that while the businesses can’t discriminate on gender they can discriminate on the act. I imagine in law this will have as much weight as a hairdresser refusing to do a black person’s hair because they weren’t equipped to do it, didn’t have the equipment or were religiously opposed to it.

SlowBlowin · 22-07-2019 2:49pm

Glass fused light wrote: »

Question as an employer are you leagly obliged to give a trans man with a gender recognition cert protection under maternity legistation if he becomes preganant?

Never looked into it, I sold the company & retired when my wife became ill. Life is much simpler now.

suicide_circus · 22-07-2019 2:54pm

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

It is in its fcuk.

you just cant beat the eloquence of Hiberno-English

Dante7 · 22-07-2019 3:04pm

MrFresh wrote: »

If they don't wax balls in general then they shouldn't have to make an exception because of who the person is.

Great, we seem to be making progress here. You recognise that a trans woman doesn't have the right to access a female only service due to the fact that they have a penis and balls and not a vagina. Using the same logic you should also agree that women should not have to share their toilets or changing rooms with people who have penises.

splinter65 · 22-07-2019 3:05pm

gmisk wrote: »

What a load of rubbish.
I am a gay man and I most certainly support womans rights.

This person has balls (whether they want to refer to themselves as a man or a woman who cares, I dont) and is at least anatomically a man, the women involved do not wax men, they are not trained how to do it, that should be the end of it.
Jessica Yaniv seems like a right bloody eejit from what I can read and a total creep who is clearly just doing this for attention and publicity and it shouldnt even be entertained.

I’m afraid I have to inform you that based on this post you, gmisk, are a transphobic.

Sittingpretty · 22-07-2019 3:22pm

splinter65 wrote: »

I’m afraid I have to inform you that based on this post you, gmisk, are a transphobic.

Why?

You think these women should have to wax Yaniv? Are they transphobic because they refuse to do it?

Dante7 · 22-07-2019 3:22pm

gmisk wrote: »

Yeahhh but these are made up cross dressing pervs claiming to be trans to act out their fantasies....its totally different...:rolleyes:
Its endemic everyone is doing it havent you heard?

You guys really need to read up on autogynephilia, because that is exactly what is happening. AGPs, such as Yaniv are exploit transgenderism to get their rocks off, that's what they do. A large percentage of modern transgenders are actually just AGPs and the old school transsexuals are calling them out on it. AGPs don't really believe that they are women and they have no intention of getting bottom surgery.

AGPs get sexual satisfaction from infiltrating women only spaces, dressing up (especially as fantasy type women), coercing women to validate their fantasies, masturbating in women's toilets. They are heterosexual men abusing trans rights.

We are going to see more and more cases like Yaniv, with women's rights and spaces being sacrificed (mainly by beardy woke blokes), all in the name of inclusivity. It's bonkers.

kowloon · 22-07-2019 3:23pm

Gatling wrote: »

Could they not just buy a razor or slap some veet on them hairy testicles.

On that:

RobbieTheRobber · 22-07-2019 3:23pm

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

If you wokes

What the Fúck is a "wokes"?

Hedgelayer · 22-07-2019 3:24pm

Dante7 wrote: »

You guys really need to read up on autogynephilia, because that is exactly what is happening. AGPs, such as Yaniv are exploit transgenderism to get their rocks off, that's what they do. A large percentage of modern transgenders are actually just AGPs and the old school transsexuals are calling them out on it. AGPs don't really believe that they are women and they have no intention of getting bottom surgery.

AGPs get sexual satisfaction from infiltrating women only spaces, dressing up (especially as fantasy type women), coercing women to validate their fantasies, masturbating in women's toilets. They are heterosexual men abusing trans rights.

We are going to see more and more cases like Yaniv, with women's rights and spaces being sacrificed (mainly by beardy woke blokes), all in the name of inclusivity. It's bonkers.

Beardy woke bloke's, more than likely to be found with an apron on and working in your local vegan restaurant

Franz Von Peppercorn II · 22-07-2019 3:29pm

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

What the Fúck is a "wokes"?

Somebody who is woke. But that’s neither here nor there.

RobbieTheRobber · 22-07-2019 3:32pm

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

Somebody who is woke. But that’s neither here nor there.

like first thing in the morning when i wake up?

suicide_circus · 22-07-2019 3:43pm

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

like first thing in the morning when i wake up?

the trick is to be woke even when youre asleep

Franz Von Peppercorn II · 22-07-2019 3:44pm

suicide_circus wrote: »

the trick is to be woke even when youre asleep

Beard not obligatory but recommended.

ohnonotgmail · 22-07-2019 3:46pm

Dante7 wrote: »

You guys really need to read up on autogynephilia, because that is exactly what is happening. AGPs, such as Yaniv are exploit transgenderism to get their rocks off, that's what they do. A large percentage of modern transgenders are actually just AGPs and the old school transsexuals are calling them out on it. AGPs don't really believe that they are women and they have no intention of getting bottom surgery.

AGPs get sexual satisfaction from infiltrating women only spaces, dressing up (especially as fantasy type women), coercing women to validate their fantasies, masturbating in women's toilets. They are heterosexual men abusing trans rights.

We are going to see more and more cases like Yaniv, with women's rights and spaces being sacrificed (mainly by beardy woke blokes), all in the name of inclusivity. It's bonkers.

I presume you have some research to back that up?

Dante7 · 22-07-2019 4:07pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

I presume you have some research to back that up?

3% of men are autogynephilic and although it is impossible to know how exactly how many modern transgender women are actually AGP (they rarely admit it), some real gender dysphoric transexuals have estimated that at least 50% of trans women they encounter today are actually just AGP. They are quite easy to spot. Yaniv is textbook, with a fetish for menstruation. If you check out the Twitter profiles for a lot of trans women, it is an eye-opener. If they are obsessed with sex, porn, fetishism, ladydick, queer theory, etc. they are AGP.

A lot of transgender activism is actually just a campaign to validate their fetish at the expense of women. People are being gaslighted by fetishists.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/22005209/

super_furry · 22-07-2019 4:09pm

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

What the Fúck is a "wokes"?

More East-Yank American political ****e that’s never actually heard in any Irish discussion outside of internet forums.

Lady can't have her hairy balls waxed [mod notes/warnings in post #1]

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