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Lady can't have her hairy balls waxed [mod notes/warnings in post #1]

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    #92
    Glass fused light
    Registered Users Posts: 1,576 ✭✭✭Glass fused light


    MrFresh wrote: »
    No, it's up to them what service they offer to the public, they just can't discriminate who they offer it to.
    So the ladies offer waxing to women
    The claim is based on the fact that the person is now a woman
    Therefore the ladies can not discriminate by not offering the service to all women.


    Have you got your head around that it's a woman looking for waxing of her lady bits?


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    #93
    Franz Von Peppercorn II
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,398 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn II


    MrFresh wrote: »
    No, it's up to them what service they offer to the public, they just can't discriminate who they offer it to.

    What's wrong with unisex service?

    It’s intimate work so very few females, who traditionally do this, will work there.

    It was you who suggested female grooming was a speciality. The goalposts keep moving to hide the absurdity of the case.

    And this, far from being an outlier is merely the ice bergs tip.


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    #94
    Gatling
    Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    "That prompted Yaniv to tell the tribunal that she was intersex and that she had female body parts."

    Pretty obvious that this fool is a troll nothing more
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    #95
    Glass fused light
    Registered Users Posts: 1,576 ✭✭✭Glass fused light


    seamus wrote: »

    If the media weren't publicising the actions of this idiot, it would be some unknown random failed frivolous lawsuits on the other side of the planet, just like the thousands of others every day.

    The gender act is has been reviewed as it was an obligation within the current act. You may want to do some investigation as to the number of changes which are proposed.


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    #96
    MrFresh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,420 ✭✭✭MrFresh


    Dante7 wrote: »
    So answer the question. Should the woman in my scenario be compelled to offer a waxing service to a transwoman?


    If they offer a service waxing male genitalia, then yes. If they don't offer a service waxing male genitalia then no.

    Glass fused light wrote: »
    So the ladies offer waxing to women
    The claim is based on the fact that the person is now a woman
    Therefore the ladies can not discriminate by not offering the service to all women.


    Except it is a different service.


    Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »
    It’s intimate work so very few females, who traditionally do this, will work there.

    It was you who suggested female grooming was a speciality. The goalposts keep moving to hide the absurdity of the case.


    I've been very specific about referring to the part that is waxed and not the gender of the person being waxed.


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    #97
    Gatling
    Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    So can a man sue a doctor or hospital or health service for not providing him cervical smears and other female specific examinations and treatments even though they don't actually have a cervix or female reproductive systems
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    #98
    Sardonicat
    Registered Users Posts: 12,378 ✭✭✭✭Sardonicat


    What if she develops problems with her reproductive organs? Would she sue the gynaecologist for not treating her even though the specialist required would be a urologist?


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    #99
    Dante7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,543 ✭✭✭Dante7


    MrFresh wrote: »
    If they offer a service waxing male genitalia, then yes. If they don't offer a service waxing male genitalia then no.

    Ok, great. So we are in agreement that women should not be obliged to wax trans women as they have male genitalia. The logical progression of this is that Trans women aren't women as they are biological males and as such don't automatically have a right to female only spaces or services.


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    #100
    Shield
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Help & Feedback Category Moderators Posts: 9,644 CMod ✭✭✭✭Shield


    I feel it's important to state the obvious, so here we go:

    There is a gigantic section of society who refuse to accept this person is a woman, never can be, and never will be. It's one of the most divisive and contested issues we face because of what impact it could have on biological women in the future.

    My personal opinion on this issue is that Jessica Yaniv is a man, possibly an autogynephilic, who has become a vexatious litigant.

    I encourage you all to read this play by play Twitter thread of the cases as they happened, followed by a later thread when reporting restrictions were lifted.

    I ask the mods/cmods/admins to allow people to air their personal views on this controversial issue in a similarly respectful manner.

    Cheers.
    dudara wrote: »
    I read a few articles on this earlier. One of the beauticians said that she had refused as she was not trained/experienced in waxing male parts.

    Dig out some of the articles and have a read. The woman at the centre of all this is quite a character (to put it mildly)


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    #101
    MrFresh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,420 ✭✭✭MrFresh


    Gatling wrote: »
    So can a man sue a doctor or hospital or health service for not providing him cervical smears and other female specific examinations and treatments even though they don't actually have a cervix or female reproductive systems


    There would be no physical way for them to perform such a procedure.


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    #102
    Sardonicat
    Registered Users Posts: 12,378 ✭✭✭✭Sardonicat


    MrFresh wrote: »
    There would be no physical way for them to perform such a procedure.

    There's no physical way for a beautician to remove hair from labia that do not exist, either.


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    #103
    Glass fused light
    Registered Users Posts: 1,576 ✭✭✭Glass fused light


    Gatling wrote: »
    "That prompted Yaniv to tell the tribunal that she was intersex and that she had female body parts."

    Pretty obvious that this fool is a troll nothing more

    She is not a fool but a clever manipulative person

    This person has a fixation with young girls and has been warned off an child's beauty pageant by one of the organises

    Posts pictures of makeup skin wipes with dildos in the background and asks "advice" from which ones are better

    Posts pictures of herself in ladies bathrooms

    Posts fantasising about being approached by young school girls, on a ferry she takes, for help with their first periods

    While there is clearly a financial element to the filings the actual case is an escalation of a pattern of behaviour

    She harrassed the first lady so much that she claimed that she was leaving the country for 6 months.


    All of that won't matter if the judge decides that she has actually suffered discrimination on the basis of her gender.


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    #104
    Gatling
    Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    MrFresh wrote: »
    There would be no physical way for them to perform such a procedure.

    But if a man declared that they are female and eititled to such female medical examinations and treatments surely there would some sort of attempt to placate the person for fear of facing legal action .


    I know this might come across someone trying to be smart isn't this is the type of situations that are going to come up in the future
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    #105
    MrFresh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,420 ✭✭✭MrFresh


    Sardonicat wrote: »
    There's no physical way for a beautician to remove hair from labia that do not exist, either.


    That's what I've been saying.

    Gatling wrote: »
    But if a man declared that they are female and eititled to such female medical examinations and treatments surely there would some sort of attempt to placate the person for fear of facing legal action .


    There might be. Some people will do anything for an easy life. It doesn't mean the law wouldn't be on their side of they turned the person away.


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    #106
    mad muffin
    Registered Users Posts: 8,034 ✭✭✭mad muffin


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    Glass fused light wrote: »
    So the ladies offer waxing to women
    The claim is based on the fact that the person is now a woman
    Therefore the ladies can not discriminate by not offering the service to all women.


    Have you got your head around that it's a woman looking for waxing of her man bits?


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    #107
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 7,981 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    Glass fused light wrote: »
    So the ladies offer waxing to women
    The claim is based on the fact that the person is now a woman
    Therefore the ladies can not discriminate by not offering the service to all women.


    Have you got your head around that it's a woman looking for waxing of her lady bits?




    ...they aren't lady bits though, which is the problem.


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    #108
    vladmydad
    Registered Users Posts: 786 ✭✭✭vladmydad


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    #109
    mad muffin
    Registered Users Posts: 8,034 ✭✭✭mad muffin


    This is all really the fault of the law makers. Tripping over themselves to be shown as enlightened and progressive. Without giving it all much thought.

    In my opinion it’s pretty simple. A trans person can identify as whatever they want. Until they commit to transitioning, and are then transitioned. They are their biological sex.

    This person would then have nothing to hide behind, and their trolling would be made even more obvious.

    So no men walking around in dresses and long hair demanding to avail of women only services.

    No men masquerading as women demanding to participate in women’s sports.

    None of that should be happening, and only serves to diminish women. Women are made to suffer for men wanting to be recognised as women, without actually transitioning.


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    #110
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users Posts: 28,118 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    Odhinn wrote: »
    ...they aren't lady bits though, which is the problem.

    They are if there on a female which is the problem.


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    #111
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 7,981 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    They are if there on a female which is the problem.




    Nope. If they're on a female they're still male organs on a female. If she had an op done and said bollocks were to be turned into the appropriate organs, and they refused to wax them, she'd have a case. As it is yer woman wants to have it both ways, but logically she can't. She strikes me as a bit of an attention whore, tbh.


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    #112
    Glass fused light
    Registered Users Posts: 1,576 ✭✭✭Glass fused light


    MrFresh wrote: »
    If they offer a service waxing male genitalia, then yes. If they don't offer a service waxing male genitalia then no.


    Except it is a different service.



    I've been very specific about referring to the part that is waxed and not the gender of the person being waxed.

    The current trans ideology is about getting the world to accept gender is fixed and biology is moveable.

    Look at sport the ladies weight lifting and Laurel Hubbard a weight lifter for New Zealand etc



    So no it's not different if the law recognises that she is a woman then the State recognises the whole person including her body is that of a woman.

    The specific part is now specific to the woman's body and is now a woman's body part.



    This is what is being taught that sex and gender are the same thing so when you change gender you change sex.
    That trans men are men just not cis men and that trans women are women just not cis women
    That trans men are not a subclass of women but a subclass of men etc


    For example
    the renaming of pregnant woman to pregnant people.
    This ignores the reality that trans men are 1-2% of the full population with the possible ability to give birth. The ratio of women v trans men giving birth should be lower still. Yet the policy is that women should be gender neutralised to people

    Up to now everybody recognised that every single person on this earth that ever lived was birthed by a woman
    So when you heard the words "we have just given birth to a baby" from a man you looked to congratulate the woman on her successful pregnancy and 'labor'

    Now people will point out that men get pregnant and have babies
    There is a tested in the UK where a biological woman who is a trans man is looking to have the birth registered with him named as the father. I don't think the judgement is in yet.

    So yes this is a very important case for Canada as it goes to the heart of how gender recognition works for everybody.

    Hormones and surgery are no longer an essential part of the process they are optional.

    For women it's the difference in being able to ask for a woman for intimate care in everything from bra fitting to non critical medical care and getting a biological woman rather someone who decides that they feel like a woman.

    Or this:





    Women are being told that there will never be a case of a male predator IDing to access womens spaces. But that the trans community are in such danger from men that they need sanctuary in former women only spaces. Objecting to this by woman who have actually also suffered from male violence and/or rape is bigotry and causing the deaths of trans women

    Self ID acceptance by police in the UK is causing problems
    That is because if a man said "I am a woman" when arrested they are processed through the system as if they were a trans woman.
    In Scotland a trans women who sexually assaulted a child was housed in a womens refuge because the other occupants were adult women and so not at risk.
    Transing for a sexual offender has the added advantage of creating a new legal identity and "dead naming" is classed as a hate crime and so a criminal offence.
    It also skews the crime figures as women are suddenly committing more sexual offences.


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    #113
    cantalach
    Registered Users Posts: 1,922 ✭✭✭cantalach


    antodeco wrote: »
    Let's just stop referring to people as male / female and just call people by what genitalia they have.

    i.e. just refer to everyone as either Dick or Fanny.


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    #114
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users Posts: 28,118 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    Odhinn wrote: »
    Nope. If they're on a female they're still male organs on a female.

    They can't be, you can't have male organs on a female, if you had male organs on a female it would be a male.


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    #115
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 7,981 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    They can't be, you can't have male organs on a female, if you had male organs on a female it would be a male.




    Nope. Hermaphrodite can have two viable sets of organs.


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    #116
    Fann Linn
    Registered Users Posts: 7,772 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    Great thread title by the way. Give a wry smile everytime it shows up.


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    #117
    Glass fused light
    Registered Users Posts: 1,576 ✭✭✭Glass fused light


    lawred2 wrote: »
    Forcing someone to interact with genitalia that doesn't make them comfortable isn't very nice really

    Its called sexual assault


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    #118
    Dante7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,543 ✭✭✭Dante7


    Odhinn wrote: »
    Nope. If they're on a female they're still male organs on a female. If she had an op done and said bollocks were to be turned into the appropriate organs, and they refused to wax them, she'd have a case. As it is yer woman wants to have it both ways, but logically she can't. She strikes me as a bit of an attention whore, tbh.

    There is no such thing as male organs on a female. Female is the protected sex characteristic, and no amount of glitter or unicorns can magic that away. Even the TRAs know this, as their claim is that Trans women are women, not trans women are female.

    We really need to have a serious conversation about this. Trans women are biologically male, and retain the same level of male pattern violence and sexual assault as all other males. Not only should women not be compelled to touch their male genitalia, women should also not have to share their spaces, events, positions or scholarships - because they are fcuking males!


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    #119
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 7,981 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    Dante7 wrote: »
    There (..............) fcuking males!




    That's nice.



    In the meantime, remember that male organs are male organs regardless of the true gender identity of the person they're attached to.


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    #120
    Dante7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,543 ✭✭✭Dante7


    Odhinn wrote: »
    Nope. Hermaphrodite can have two viable sets of organs.

    Wrong again. Stop trying to drag people with DSD (intersex conditions) into this debate as they largely refute the conflation. I can put you in touch with se people with DSDs if you need clarification. Humans are male or female, and even the tiny minority with a DSD are still either male or female but with a chromosomal defect. This hermaphrodite, intersex, sex is a spectrum bollocks really needs to be put to bed.


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    #121
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users Posts: 28,118 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    So your saying the only females with male bits are hermaphrodites? There are I think 63 gender identities. Do we need to seperate these from sex, what's the solution here. Go back to 2013 and start again?


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