Formula 1 2019 - General Discussion Thread

H3llR4iser · 01-02-2019 3:55pm

AMKC wrote: »

Awe that's kind of sad just as Sauber were starting to come good. I know its the same company , people and all but this is now just basically Ferrari light now is it not? They are using the same engine and no doubt will be using more of the same now as well. I wonder what this means for HAAS going forward? They were Ferrari light.

The money injected by Alfa/Ferrari/FCA IS the reason they've been coming good, along with the direction that the appointment of Vasseur gave them. Sauber as Sauber, as Harika pointed out, started to be a goner when Monisha Kaltenborn took over; In the span of the 2012 season they went from being able to pick up the odd podium whenever some of the "big ones" (which at the time, included McLaren...) fell over, to struggling to score points over mere months. Heck, they picked up 4 podiums that season, more than Mercedes themselves. The only reason Sauber were still around before last season was Ericsson's financial backing.

With a bit of luck they can keep the trajectory from last year and fight with "Not Force India" over the odd podium whenever Ferrari, Mercedes and Red Bull make pants of a race. It might be a very long shot, but it wouldn't be too surprising to see Kimi's face on the podium again before he retires...

flazio · 02-02-2019 11:36pm

So, if by some insanity Kimi Raikonnen (or Joe Vinassi) wins a Grand Prix this year, will the Swiss or the Italian anthem be played in honour of the constructor?

recyclebin · 03-02-2019 1:57pm

It's still a Swiss team and not owned by Fiat. Factory is in Hinwil.

Cool_CM · 03-02-2019 2:00pm

They're still registered as being Sauber Motorsport AG on the entry list, so presumably they'll still be racing under a Swiss licence

https://www.fia.com/events/fia-formula-one-world-championship/season-2019/2019-fia-formula-one-world-championship-entry

chicorytip · 03-02-2019 2:20pm

Harika wrote:

Sauber has officially become Alfa Romeo Racing

When Alfa last competed in F1- as a works team - it's drivers scored a grand total of one championship point each over the course of two whole seasons. Those who are running this new incarnation will be hoping for even greater success!!

flazio · 03-02-2019 6:48pm

recyclebin wrote: »

It's still a Swiss team and not owned by Fiat. Factory is in Hinwil.

Factory location is irrelevant. Look at Mercedes-Benz, Red Bull, Renault and the various owners of the Silverstone outfit that started as the Irish Jordan. All have factories in the UK but are different nationalities.
If Alfa F1 is still Swiss owned then they could have their factory in Ballymahon for what it matters, it's still Swiss.

recyclebin · 03-02-2019 10:51pm

flazio wrote: »

Factory location is irrelevant. Look at Mercedes-Benz, Red Bull, Renault and the various owners of the Silverstone outfit that started as the Irish Jordan. All have factories in the UK but are different nationalities.
If Alfa F1 is still Swiss owned then they could have their factory in Ballymahon for what it matters, it's still Swiss.

Islero Investments are a Swiss company and own Sauber. There company address is also in Hinwil. It's not really clear who's the face behind this company.

pjohnson · 04-02-2019 10:08am

Haas Rich Energy F1 Livery 7th February.

Harika · 04-02-2019 11:53am

pjohnson wrote: »

Haas Rich Energy F1 Livery 7th February.

Until when will this go up in flames?

pjohnson · 04-02-2019 1:27pm

Harika wrote: »

Until when will this go up in flames?

Probably 8th February :pac:

pjohnson · 04-02-2019 4:29pm

Brendon Hartley joins Ferrari as Simulator Driver alongside Pascal Wehrlein, Antonio Fuoco & Davide Rigon.

Mick Schumacher will be doing at least some of the in season tests aswell (Fuoco would also be eligible to fulfill the in season "youth" criteria afaik if they go that way he has before).

Jordan 199 · 04-02-2019 5:18pm

Launch dates so far this year:

7th of February: Haas.

11th of February: Toro Rosso.

12th of February: Renault.

13th of February: Mercedes, Racing Point, Red Bull.

14th of February: McLaren.

15th of February: Ferrari.

18th of February: Alfa Romeo.

Frank Bullitt · 04-02-2019 5:29pm

ayux4rj6zql2ph · 04-02-2019 5:47pm

Gintonious wrote: »

Is that the first official picture of him in Renault kit?

Frank Bullitt · 04-02-2019 7:13pm

Peyton Lively Tiller wrote: »

Is that the first official picture of him in Renault kit?

Think so, few more floating around on twitter

Harika · 05-02-2019 10:21am

Racing Point stays racing point but were looking into names like Lola.

ayux4rj6zql2ph · 05-02-2019 1:48pm

Harika wrote: »

Racing Point stays racing point but were looking into names like Lola.

Speaking of Lola, it's a pity that Mastercard never came back as a title sponsor, the livery looked good.

PopePalpatine · 05-02-2019 2:03pm

As if Lola's corpse wasn't desecrated enough.

Frank Bullitt · 05-02-2019 5:22pm

Frank Bullitt · 05-02-2019 8:26pm

https://twitter.com/MercedesAMGF1/status/1092838417241726977

pjohnson · 05-02-2019 8:30pm

Camoflague livery for testing it is then!

Charlie-Bravo · 05-02-2019 11:32pm

I can't see anything in that pic. :pac:

Cool_CM · 06-02-2019 8:29pm

Just booked a trip to testing (2nd week), have always wanted to go and can't fupin' wait!

Harika · 07-02-2019 11:08am

https://twitter.com/JeanTodt/status/1093446476573888512

Inventor of the Hans safety device has passed away who very likely saved a lot of drivers from heavy injury or worse.

Harika · 07-02-2019 11:44am

Rich Energy claiming to beat RedBull in 2019.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/motorsport/8372522/f1-haas-beat-red-bull-2019/

He said: "We are confident we will beat Red Bull in many races this year. That is holy grail marketing but sometimes you get a bit of serendipity and right timing.

pjohnson · 07-02-2019 12:07pm

Haas will be attempting to in this

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HighLine · 07-02-2019 12:13pm

^^^ Nice.

Rossi IRL · 07-02-2019 12:13pm

pjohnson wrote: »

Haas will be attempting to in this

I think that's only the new paint scheme and not the new car...... Looks good though.

Inviere · 07-02-2019 12:41pm

Gorgeous car :cool:

recyclebin · 07-02-2019 2:11pm

Apparently it is the new car, well a graphical representation of it.

http://www.pitpass.com/63856/Haas-reveals-2019-livery-and-car

mickdw · 07-02-2019 2:53pm

I was 100 percent certain the rich energy Craic was a scam but surely they couldn't have got this far without coming up with huge funds

Jordan 199 · 07-02-2019 3:21pm

Charlie-Bravo · 07-02-2019 3:36pm

Nice front wing - I reckon that the drinks company will run out of sponsorship money by the time the European races come about. I can't imagine they are in the same league as monster/red bull or any of those and Rich energy are chancing their arm.

I'm still wondering where the drink is available? 90 million cans made, but where is it sold?!!

http://f1i.com/news/329161-rich-energy-boss-answers-risible-and-nonsense-rumors.html

Gotta love this quote: "At the end of the day when the tide goes out we see who is swimming naked, don’t we?

We'll sure find out after 4-5 races.

Frank Bullitt · 07-02-2019 5:14pm

Good to see Lotus back on the grid...wait a minute.

Frank Bullitt · 07-02-2019 5:15pm

recyclebin wrote: »

Apparently it is the new car, well a graphical representation of it.

http://www.pitpass.com/63856/Haas-reveals-2019-livery-and-car

Its the old car with the new front wing.

EDIT - So the render is of the new car, the one at the presentation was the old car.

pyramuid man · 07-02-2019 5:34pm

Hartley to race for SMP in WEC this year.

https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/news/sports-cars/brendon-hartley-returns-wec-smp-racing

Isn't Sergey Sirotkin doing the same? Between Button and Hartley, they will have a strong team for Le Mans.

Frank Bullitt · 07-02-2019 7:27pm

pyramuid man wrote: »

Hartley to race for SMP in WEC this year.

https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/news/sports-cars/brendon-hartley-returns-wec-smp-racing

Isn't Sergey Sirotkin doing the same? Between Button and Hartley, they will have a strong team for Le Mans.

Hartley will be busy this year with that and testing for Ferrari.

Joeseph Balls · 07-02-2019 7:29pm

Gintonious wrote: »

Good to see Lotus back on the grid...wait a minute.

Said the very same thing.
Starting to get excited now.
Time to start planning another trip

ayux4rj6zql2ph · 07-02-2019 7:30pm

The Haas is stunning, reminds me of the 1998 Arrows

Frank Bullitt · 07-02-2019 7:34pm

https://twitter.com/glenn_autosport/status/1093578347454627842

This was also what came to mind. Can't see the livery staying the same, the gold was dire to see on the TV.

HighLine · 07-02-2019 7:42pm

I saw Hamilton had the following on his Instagram stories recently... couldn't be real could it?

https://twitter.com/jeffjthompson/status/1091675792042541056

Inviere · 07-02-2019 7:46pm

^^ No they're model kits, I seen that on Reddit a few days back. The scale isn't the same on both of them.

ayux4rj6zql2ph · 07-02-2019 7:50pm

Hamilton must want to buy the MP4-22, i'd imagine Ron Dennis retains ownership of the real thing and wouldn't sell it.

donspeekinglesh · 07-02-2019 8:06pm

pyramuid man wrote: »

Hartley to race for SMP in WEC this year.

https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/news/sports-cars/brendon-hartley-returns-wec-smp-racing

Isn't Sergey Sirotkin doing the same? Between Button and Hartley, they will have a strong team for Le Mans.

Not doing Le Mans for them, just covering the races Button is missing due to Super GT. But he's still a Porsche driver, so doing FE work with them too.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BtlvWgjhLZO/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=178o186n60vhf

Harika · 07-02-2019 8:25pm

mickdw wrote: »

I was 100 percent certain the rich energy Craic was a scam but surely they couldn't have got this far without coming up with huge funds

It's paid in installments over the year. They might have backers that are lured into being the new red bull. With the pr from the sponsorship they might try to start that up and earn money quicker than the checks for Haas have to be paid, or their backers will throw in more cash to make it to the "breakthrough". Would not be the first time in F1.
Also they get free vip passes that are worth good money to juggle around.

recyclebin · 07-02-2019 9:15pm

That can't be the final livery. You can barely see any of the branding.

skipper_G · 07-02-2019 9:27pm

mickdw wrote: »

I was 100 percent certain the rich energy Craic was a scam but surely they couldn't have got this far without coming up with huge funds

I fully believe everything that Mr. Spoofer Storey says. I'm off to my local shop to purchase a can.... No luck
The man in the shop said "ye wha? Never heard of dat one bud".

I can't take him or his makey uppey energy drink seriously, but at the same time I can't see Gene Haas falling for the snakeoil sales pitch. The rumoured connection to Sullivan and Gold must have materialised

muckwarrior · 08-02-2019 12:28am

skipper_G wrote: »

I fully believe everything that Mr. Spoofer Storey says. I'm off to my local shop to purchase a can.... No luck
The man in the shop said "ye wha? Never heard of dat one bud".

Red Bull sponsored Sauber for years before I ever even knew what it was, never mind seen it in shops. I've no idea whether rich energy are legit or not, but just because you don't see it in your local shop doesn't mean it isn't.

Robbo · 08-02-2019 1:52pm

muckwarrior wrote: »

Red Bull sponsored Sauber for years before I ever even knew what it was, never mind seen it in shops. I've no idea whether rich energy are legit or not, but just because you don't see it in your local shop doesn't mean it isn't.

It gets better, Berger told a story on a recent podcast where Marko came up to him offering sponsorship before he even had a company, let alone a drink.

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