beef price tracker

Cavanjack · 23-07-2019 1:37pm

Fireside Solicitor wrote: »

Slaney 3.50 next week and Kildare 3.50 also.

Have some coming fit in next two weeks but going to let them run on a bit and see how August goes.

Mart trade still holding alright around here but is early.

No sense with the mart trade as usual.

Welding Rod · 23-07-2019 2:05pm

Cavanjack wrote: »

No sense with the mart trade as usual.

You mean no sense with the factory trade as usual, ......

Cavanjack · 23-07-2019 2:42pm

Welding Rod wrote: »

You mean no sense with the factory trade as usual, ......

No the mart trade. Stores are probable €200 too dear for any man buying to finish.

dohc turbo2 · 23-07-2019 2:51pm

Cavanjack wrote: »

No the mart trade. Stores are probable €200 too dear for any man buying to finish.

Sure the factory is still getting his cut , the lad sellin his stores is making nothing on them ,

Cavanjack · 23-07-2019 3:23pm

dohc turbo2 wrote: »

Sure the factory is still getting his cut , the lad sellin his stores is making nothing on them ,

I know that. Nobody is making anything bar the factories.

Willfarman · 23-07-2019 9:08pm

Buying from farmers to sell to Larry is a Bolix of a racket. I’m a slow learner but this time I have learned my lesson.

Cavanjack · 23-07-2019 9:31pm

Willfarman wrote: »

Buying from farmers to sell to Larry is a Bolix of a racket. I’m a slow learner but this time I have learned my lesson.

What’s the alternative?

Willfarman · 23-07-2019 9:50pm

An auctioneer in these parts in older times used to say “farming land is like holding a fart, a lot of pressure for no good reason, you’d be better to let it.”

Bass Reeves · 23-07-2019 9:54pm

Willfarman wrote: »

Buying from farmers to sell to Larry is a Bolix of a racket. I’m a slow learner but this time I have learned my lesson.

I think buying forward stores to finish within 150 days is a struggle. Anytime I see these cattle selling in a mart I think the margin is too small to justify. If you look at costs straight of 40-50 euro go between transport, mart and slaughter fees. Add in time sourcing cattle every 3-5 months, I can never see the attraction. If you are renting land it's very hard to see a margin. Most short term finishing systems include high levels of ration in finishing diet. When you include the issue of trying to avoid nitrates, of having a nitrates plan it all adds into costs.

If you move to a 9-12 month system you reduce the workload. You are sourcing 1/3 of the cattle a forward store man is handling. This allows you more time to actually farm. Take out fixed costs associated with 2-3 days in the mart.

I looked at the 2017 accounts lately ration cost was slightly over 6K, previous to that it was double that. This year I have budgeted it at about 2750 euro. Profit/net margin has remained much the same but the workload associated with the ration and winter finishing has disappeared. If Larry wants me to haul ration he can give me a forward price for winter finishing

theaceofspies · 23-07-2019 9:55pm

Cavanjack wrote: »

What’s the alternative?

Beef farmers are not the only frogs being slow boiled at the moment.

https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/if-bord-na-mona-and-esb-go-now-thats-it-for-lanesboro/

Rural Ireland is being sold out left, right and centre. This is treason Irish style - be careful who you vote(d) for.

They could be coming for dairy farmers next.

jaymla627 · 23-07-2019 10:18pm

theaceofspies wrote: »

Cavanjack wrote: »

What’s the alternative?

Beef farmers are not the only frogs being slow boiled at the moment.

https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/if-bord-na-mona-and-esb-go-now-thats-it-for-lanesboro/

Rural Ireland is being sold out left, right and centre. This is treason Irish style - be careful who you vote(d) for.

They could be coming for dairy farmers next.

The irony of an bord phleana refusing planning permission on its mission to save the planet, while in the next breath they will turn around and refuse planning for solar and wind farms also in a lot of cases just shows the banana republic Ireland is becoming, always liked Richard Burton but he’s becoming a a sorry excuse of a minister as time goes on....
The only thing that will focus the current governments mind to show a ounce of respect for rural communities would be a sharp deep prolonged recession and the corporation tax well drying up, but no one obviously wants to see that

Dinzee Conlee · 23-07-2019 10:45pm

theaceofspies wrote: »

Beef farmers are not the only frogs being slow boiled at the moment.

https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/if-bord-na-mona-and-esb-go-now-thats-it-for-lanesboro/

Rural Ireland is being sold out left, right and centre. This is treason Irish style - be careful who you vote(d) for.

They could be coming for dairy farmers next.

Was the plan that they would stop using peat/turf for power at some point, but the closure of the power plant has brought it forward?

It is a lot of jobs to be lost all of a sudden lost in a rural area though...

kk.man · 23-07-2019 11:03pm

jaymla627 wrote: »

The irony of an bord phleana refusing planning permission on its mission to save the planet, while in the next breath they will turn around and refuse planning for solar and wind farms also in a lot of cases just shows the banana republic Ireland is becoming, always liked Richard Burton but he’s becoming a a sorry excuse of a minister as time goes on....
The only thing that will focus the current governments mind to show a ounce of respect for rural communities would be a sharp deep prolonged recession and the corporation tax well drying up, but no one obviously wants to see that

The Brutons were large cattle farmers not that long ago. I have oftened woundered why no-one in the Dail didn't remind him of this and how he was reared and educated on the back of cattle.

The way he has turned is a disgrace.

Hard Knocks · 23-07-2019 11:07pm

kk.man wrote: »

The Brutons were large cattle farmers not that long ago. I have oftened woundered why no-one in the Dail didn't remind him of this and how he was reared and educated on the back of cattle.

The way he has turned is a disgrace.

He doesn’t look like a lad that would of came too close to livestock

memorystick · 23-07-2019 11:12pm

Hard Knocks wrote: »

He doesn’t look like a lad that would of came too close to livestock

225 acres

https://www.kildarestreet.com/regmem/?p=46

Dickie10 · 23-07-2019 11:27pm

lads as i said this area of the country has very little farming culture and fuuck all respect towards farmers , only a few good lads trying to do their bit, some of the best ground in ireland that the brutons would have owned too

Bass Reeves · 24-07-2019 12:17am

It always amazes me the way lads think that politicians make s difference to there life and blame them for it. Throughout my lifetime there is only one time I was really annoyed with the political establishment. That was in the noughties. I could see the kick in the hole coming but could do nothing about it. What was worse it was twice as bad as I expected.
TBH the decision today is justified, HTF can you justify importing biomass to sustain a bio fuel burner/powerplant. Can we grow willow or other fuel such as elephant grass sustain it. Maybe but most of it would be on suckler land.

Now I heard the bollax from An Taisce and I am not impressed with him either. But blaming politicians for everything that effects you is BS. You control your own destiny or else you decide to live in a cocoon of your own making. If you burn the candle at both ends in you teens and early twenties do not expect to have everything in your fifties.

Politicians and the tax system are there to be used and abused. TBH after 2010 I decided that never again would I allow politicians have a serious effect on my life. It took me 3 years to get my sh!t together, but I promised never, never again.
I did not inherit land or property. Would I consider myself lucky yes but I rode the rhino. The only thing I ever got was a site, but it brought its own problems. You either manage the difficulties in your life or else they control you.

Fireside Solicitor · 24-07-2019 9:09am

The Brutons are still large cattle farmers in Meath

kk.man · 24-07-2019 9:23am

Bass Reeves wrote: »

It always amazes me the way lads think that politicians make s difference to there life and blame them for it. Throughout my lifetime there is only one time I was really annoyed with the political establishment. That was in the noughties. I could see the kick in the hole coming but could do nothing about it. What was worse it was twice as bad as I expected.
TBH the decision today is justified, HTF can you justify importing biomass to sustain a bio fuel burner/powerplant. Can we grow willow or other fuel such as elephant grass sustain it. Maybe but most of it would be on suckler land.

Now I heard the bollax from An Taisce and I am not impressed with him either. But blaming politicians for everything that effects you is BS. You control your own destiny or else you decide to live in a cocoon of your own making. If you burn the candle at both ends in you teens and early twenties do not expect to have everything in your fifties.

Politicians and the tax system are there to be used and abused. TBH after 2010 I decided that never again would I allow politicians have a serious effect on my life. It took me 3 years to get my sh!t together, but I promised never, never again.
I did not inherit land or property. Would I consider myself lucky yes but I rode the rhino. The only thing I ever got was a site, but it brought its own problems. You either manage the difficulties in your life or else they control you.

Bass I am not blaming Richard Bruton for anything but I am stating he harping on about climate change and cattle while he came from a successful farming enterprise that centred on livestock. That's all!
He should be reminded of such too. I don't want a politician for anything nor with luck I wont.

Fireside Solicitor · 24-07-2019 1:24pm

Old Joe Bruton was the precursor to say Dan Brown or Larry Goodman. Big live cattle exported in his day. One old neighbour knew him and spoke well of him. One of his sons who I don't want to name is still at it on the home place.

Fireside Solicitor · 24-07-2019 1:28pm

I think the point is that Fine Gael and the boys who run it now couldn't give a continental s**** about rural Ireland, farmers, anyone beyond the pale, anyone who doesn't talk with a D4 accent, anyone who doesn't do yoga or go running.

We were talking about it the other day. They don't need to care as they got the votes the last time out.

If you ask me that was what a weak has Fianna Fail led to. A more Dublin/urban skew than should be the case.

coolshannagh28 · 24-07-2019 1:31pm

Fireside Solicitor wrote: »

I think the point is that Fine Gael and the boys who run it now couldn't give a continental s**** about rural Ireland, farmers, anyone beyond the pale, anyone who doesn't talk with a D4 accent, anyone who doesn't do yoga or go running.

We were talking about it the other day. They don't need to care as they got the votes the last time out.

If you ask me that was what a weak has Fianna Fail led to. A more Dublin/urban skew than should be the case.

More people live outside The Pale than in it , this sort of government thinking led to Brexit across the water.

Fireside Solicitor · 24-07-2019 1:38pm

As a small example we have a local man here who played rugby for Ireland many years ago when men were men and women were glad as he says himself. He does not go to any matches any more as he says the crowd at leinster matches are a shower of south Dublin eejits who are there for the beer and once leinster keep winning. He says go up the road to his club and you wouldn't get a team fielded but you will get 30000 gobs***** drinking heinken in the middle of winter on a wet Saturday afternoon because its the done thing. Maybe I am too old and maybe its what the young want but I am not so sure. Do we want a future where we leave our past and the countryside behind?

Time for us all who care about what it means to be really Irish to vote - am amazed at the amount of people who don't and for some organisation and its probably the GAA with the IFA shagged to start using its influence as a body a bit more at policy level.

that's my dinner hour rant.

Keep Sluicing · 24-07-2019 2:57pm

Ive about 15 or 16 ready to go to the factory. One is over age and 2 more will be over age in 2 weeks.
Asked my factory agent/lorry man what the best he can get for bullocks. He said €3.50/kg, i raised an eyebrow a said i thought €3.55/kg was available!.
He laughted and said, does it really matter any more, were all fcuked at that price.
Needless to say, I'll be holding onto them for 4 to 6 more week, they can add weight on grass and not much fear of tgem going fat.

Same man have over 80 bulls and he going banding them

Gawddawggonnit · 24-07-2019 3:12pm

Keep Sluicing wrote: »

Ive about 15 or 16 ready to go to the factory. One is over age and 2 more will be over age in 2 weeks.
Asked my factory agent/lorry man what the best he can get for bullocks. He said €3.50/kg, i raised an eyebrow a said i thought €3.55/kg was available!.
He laughted and said, does it really matter any more, were all fcuked at that price.
Needless to say, I'll be holding onto them for 4 to 6 more week, they can add weight on grass and not much fear of tgem going fat.

Same man have over 80 bulls and he going banding them

Not very encouraging.
I’m out of beef in another 12mts or so, or whenever I can find a victim to offload young stock. If said victim was to surface, I’d be out immediately.
Eu beef can’t compete against SAmerican (etc) beef, less beef being consumed in EU and constant rising costs just doesn’t stack up...even though we produce our own calves, use all home produced feed and facilities.
Shame as there’s feck all work in it, but enough is enough.
Thing about beef is that it’s simple to jump back in if circumstances change...health scare in white meat etc.etc.

Mooooo · 24-07-2019 3:29pm

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

Not very encouraging.
I’m out of beef in another 12mts or so, or whenever I can find a victim to offload young stock. If said victim was to surface, I’d be out immediately.
Eu beef can’t compete against SAmerican (etc) beef, less beef being consumed in EU and constant rising costs just doesn’t stack up...even though we produce our own calves, use all home produced feed and facilities.
Shame as there’s feck all work in it, but enough is enough.
Thing about beef is that it’s simple to jump back in if circumstances change...health scare in white meat etc.etc.

I see the Africa swine fever? Is in Europe now, in wild boar population as well, has hit pigment availability in China hard I think. Could possibly give a boost to beef markets but whether farmer will see any of it is another question

Limestone Cowboy · 24-07-2019 8:49pm

Fireside Solicitor wrote: »

The Brutons are still large cattle farmers in Meath

Have a huge block of winterage in the burren aswell.

lab man · 24-07-2019 9:10pm

Limestone Cowboy wrote:

Have a huge block of winterage in the burren aswell.

around 180 I heard yrs ago would this be right

Limestone Cowboy · 24-07-2019 9:36pm

lab man wrote: »

around 180 I heard yrs ago would this be right

Would have around that many store bullocks there for the winter alright id say.

theaceofspies · 25-07-2019 9:37pm

Back in focus
Well written piece here:

News emerged yesterday that further slurry spreading restrictions will be phased in for heavily-stocked farmers. This followed the announcement – earlier in the week – of drastic recommendations from the Government’s Climate Change Advisory Council (CCAC), whereby the most dramatic measures call for a 53% cut in the national suckler herd.
Don’t forget; it’s also a week in which solemn protests were mounted – to roll back on developments that will see 150 Bord na Móna workers (78 seasonal and 72 permanent) lose their jobs. Further anguish for other Bord na Móna staff, many of whom are involved in farming, looms large on the horizon.
Collateral damage

All of this, apparently, is just part of the fall-out from the need to protect the environment and to combat climate change. In other words, we are encouraged to view this as collateral damage accruing from a bigger, loftier battle.
We’ve heard such rhetoric before, of course. When lowly, anonymous civilians are killed in a drone strike in some wretched, war-torn country we’re told that it’s regrettable but ultimately part of a ‘bigger picture’ – an over-riding ambition that must trump all other considerations.
Somewhat ironically, there was a growing sense among farmers and all of us in the wider agricultural sector here in Ireland that we needed to ‘do our bit’. Or at least that was the case until news of the much-maligned Mercusor trade deal broke cover.
It brought about the realisation (or, perhaps more aptly, the reminder) that the responsibility to combat global climate change is not one that bears down equally on every citizen – or every nation.
Instead, recent developments suggest that (climate change) mitigation strategies are, themselves, commodities to be traded…nothing more than leverage in a high-level political negotiation.
Can countries like Brazil simply trade or barter their way out of the need to ‘do their bit’, while farmers here justifiably feel as if they are now being regulated out of existence?
Preaching to the converted?

Predictably, the various farming organisations are jumping up and down; protestations of dismay are manifest across the airwaves.
But are our representatives simply preaching to the converted? Is the wider electorate taking notice of the plight of Irish agriculture? Do most citizens – and, perhaps more to the point, most consumers – even care?
The challenge facing those who lead – and those who have aspirations to lead – such organisations is how to convince a wider audience (not just those still involved in farming) that Irish agriculture is worth safeguarding – both as something that underpins the rural economy and as a ‘way of life’.
We should make no bones about the former; and no apologies for the latter.

https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/the-week-that-was-is-irish-farming-now-a-bargaining-chip-in-a-climate-debate/

older by the day · 26-07-2019 12:24am

I suppose the only thing that would focus the people's mind on agriculture is food scarcity. Remember the snow and the slice pan rush.

Dinzee Conlee · 26-07-2019 8:26am

older by the day wrote: »

I suppose the only thing that would focus the people's mind on agriculture is food scarcity. Remember the snow and the slice pan rush.

I don’t know, I don’t think irish people have a thing about buying irish - regardless of what the product is.

Was in England on holidays, and was surprised at the about of English produce, and the way it was marketed as English. It was a selling point, whereas here, you just wouldn’t see it as much...

I wonder if non-food is where we should be looking - how can we as farmers best fit into the new climate change and electricity generation model?
Why do all generation options have to be so large scale they are only possible for large multinational companies?

What small scale generation models could work for farmers, maybe with the help of some farming body pushing a deal with the government for supply...
What about biogas digesters - in areas of high dairy/pig concentration, could these be put in place. Again, we’d need some representative body to fight for this, and would need government support. But it could be something that could generate a return, and would it also take care of some of the nitrates issues for people?

It would be great to see some body (IFA, Teagasc / whoever) looking at alternatives or add-ons, and spring with the government to deliver proposals which could be incorporated into farms to boost income. I am not aware of anything like this happening?

coolshannagh28 · 26-07-2019 9:43am

Dinzee Conlee wrote: »

I don’t know, I don’t think irish people have a thing about buying irish - regardless of what the product is.

Was in England on holidays, and was surprised at the about of English produce, and the way it was marketed as English. It was a selling point, whereas here, you just wouldn’t see it as much...

I wonder if non-food is where we should be looking - how can we as farmers best fit into the new climate change and electricity generation model?
Why do all generation options have to be so large scale they are only possible for large multinational companies?

What small scale generation models could work for farmers, maybe with the help of some farming body pushing a deal with the government for supply...
What about biogas digesters - in areas of high dairy/pig concentration, could these be put in place. Again, we’d need some representative body to fight for this, and would need government support. But it could be something that could generate a return, and would it also take care of some of the nitrates issues for people?

It would be great to see some body (IFA, Teagasc / whoever) looking at alternatives or add-ons, and spring with the government to deliver proposals which could be incorporated into farms to boost income. I am not aware of anything like this happening?

Unfortunately our government is only interested in multinationals , they have had essentially no carbon policy up to now and will address it with a carbon tax and by aiding big money. Our national strategy has been tied to MNCs for 40 years and it so far has been successful and easy so it will not change.

Buford T. Justice XIX · 26-07-2019 10:18am

Dinzee Conlee wrote: »

I don’t know, I don’t think irish people have a thing about buying irish - regardless of what the product is.

Was in England on holidays, and was surprised at the about of English produce, and the way it was marketed as English. It was a selling point, whereas here, you just wouldn’t see it as much...

I wonder if non-food is where we should be looking - how can we as farmers best fit into the new climate change and electricity generation model?
Why do all generation options have to be so large scale they are only possible for large multinational companies?

What small scale generation models could work for farmers, maybe with the help of some farming body pushing a deal with the government for supply...
What about biogas digesters - in areas of high dairy/pig concentration, could these be put in place. Again, we’d need some representative body to fight for this, and would need government support. But it could be something that could generate a return, and would it also take care of some of the nitrates issues for people?

It would be great to see some body (IFA, Teagasc / whoever) looking at alternatives or add-ons, and spring with the government to deliver proposals which could be incorporated into farms to boost income. I am not aware of anything like this happening?

There's been plenty of different projects put before the Government with the last 5 years in particular on microgeneration and biomass projects but all were received with little more that a pat on the head for the proposals. One of the difficulties would be planning permission being refused like in Lanesboro(?) where the roads were considered too poor to cater for the traffic.

In comparison the Germany, where a large percentage of farmers receive payment for generation, we're a long, long way behind and likely to fall altogether before the Government even looks at the idea.

Dinzee Conlee · 26-07-2019 12:40pm

Buford T. Justice VI wrote: »

There's been plenty of different projects put before the Government with the last 5 years in particular on microgeneration and biomass projects but all were received with little more that a pat on the head for the proposals. One of the difficulties would be planning permission being refused like in Lanesboro(?) where the roads were considered too poor to cater for the traffic.

In comparison the Germany, where a large percentage of farmers receive payment for generation, we're a long, long way behind and likely to fall altogether before the Government even looks at the idea.

Do you have any details / links on this Buford?

Gawddawggonnit · 26-07-2019 1:11pm

The Gerrrrmans need to get their sh1t in order...literally.

“Le gouvernement fédéral allemand a reçu une lettre de mise en demeure de la part de la Commission européenne. Bruxelles menace de poursuivre le pays devant la justice si aucune proposition concrète n’est formulée dans les deux mois pour diminuer la pollution des eaux par les nitrates.”

http://www.lafranceagricole.fr/actualites/gestion-et-droit/nitrates-lue-donne-2-mois-alallemagne-pour-se-conformer-aux-regles-europeennes-1,8,2745499841.html

Buford T. Justice XIX · 26-07-2019 3:29pm

Dinzee Conlee wrote: »

Do you have any details / links on this Buford?

Just the general discussions at County Exec meetings. From the last meeting, the payback for solar panels on a dairy farm is reduced from 8 years with the TAMS grant to 4 years if the excess production is paid for by the ESB at a standard rate, or something along those lines.

There has been numerous efforts to encourage legislation to allow paying for excess feed in from small producers but the Government isn't being very proactive on showing if it will ever be paid for in the future. Once there is a timeframe in place, farmers could be sourcing the panels to be ready for installation. I would have the capacity for a good few panels in a new shed here but without a feed in payment, it's pointless.

blue5000 · 27-07-2019 12:29pm

The slow bull beef trade for the last few months has had one positive for me anyway. A little angus KOd at 449kg and graded U3 at u24 months. Haven't seen the cheque yet though.....If I had a few more like that I might be able to clear the meal bill:cool:

Water John · 27-07-2019 2:22pm

As a matter of interest, how much actual meat would be on such a carcass?
For example Whelans (owned by Dunnes) have dry aged burgers selling at €14/Kg.
This is for the cheapest cuts of meat. Say a meat yield of 60% is 270 Kg.

kk.man · 27-07-2019 3:21pm

Water John wrote: »

As a matter of interest, how much actual meat would be on such a carcass?
For example Whelans (owned by Dunnes) have dry aged burgers selling at €14/Kg.
This is for the cheapest cuts of meat. Say a meat yield of 60% is 270 Kg.

14 euro per kilo...I'll get my coat!...These prices have to be highlighted.

wrangler · 27-07-2019 4:13pm

Buford T. Justice VI wrote: »

Just the general discussions at County Exec meetings. From the last meeting, the payback for solar panels on a dairy farm is reduced from 8 years with the TAMS grant to 4 years if the excess production is paid for by the ESB at a standard rate, or something along those lines.

There has been numerous efforts to encourage legislation to allow paying for excess feed in from small producers but the Government isn't being very proactive on showing if it will ever be paid for in the future. Once there is a timeframe in place, farmers could be sourcing the panels to be ready for installation. I would have the capacity for a good few panels in a new shed here but without a feed in payment, it's pointless.

I was in Germany with IFA nearly twenty years ago and on a farm with a biodigester driving two big engines producing electricity, think it was 1000hp between the two.
The point is that their price was 24c/KWhr and ours, if you could get it into the grid, was 9c. I remember the IFA guy commenting that the envronment was too important now to be in the hands the Dept. of the Environment .
How right he was. Civil servants here are destroying this country.
Not only were they producing the elctricity but they were containing the warm air from the engines and pumping it through a timber drying kiln

Water John · 27-07-2019 4:23pm

No integrated thinking. Another example, within the one Dept is, those that drew up the spec for the Glas Scheme had no connection or talk with those in charge of the Organic Section.

Bass Reeves · 27-07-2019 5:59pm

Water John wrote: »

As a matter of interest, how much actual meat would be on such a carcass?

Expect it to be above 70%. However it is bull beef and the carcase is 450kgs. The striploin, fillet, to eye and sirloins would be massive in size and too big for individual portion's

Water John · 27-07-2019 11:57pm

Bass, back in the day I remember AIBP getting a yield well over 70% in carcass going to intervention, but according to the Tribunal, Larry knew nothing about that!!

Yes steak portion size is a problem with larger carcass. Organic certainly don't want any BB.
Would the future market be better looking to AA Xand HE X? Is there enough of a market for it?

Bass Reeves · 28-07-2019 2:33am

Water John wrote: »

Bass, back in the day I remember AIBP getting a yield well over 70% in carcass going to intervention, but according to the Tribunal, Larry knew nothing about that!!

Yes steak portion size is a problem with larger carcass. Organic certainly don't want any BB.
Would the future market be better looking to AA Xand HE X? Is there enough of a market for it?

R grade Continental heifers used to be at around 72/73% kill out if I remember from figures about 15 years ago. There is 71% and 76% but averaging over 79% across all cattle in Ireland would be a miracle 30 years ago. Steak size is the big issue the premium over all other beef is 2-300%

Keep Sluicing · 28-07-2019 8:36am

wrangler wrote: »

I was in Germany with IFA nearly twenty years ago and on a farm with a biodigester driving two big engines producing electricity, think it was 1000hp between the two.
The point is that their price was 24c/KWhr and ours, if you could get it into the grid, was 9c. I remember the IFA guy commenting that the envronment was too important now to be in the hands the Dept. of the Environment .
How right he was. Civil servants here are destroying this country.
Not only were they producing the elctricity but they were containing the warm air from the engines and pumping it through a timber drying kiln

Ive being work on and building digesters for nearly a decade now. Also a part time beef farmer.
The beef industry needs to reduce supply/numbers going to the gactory. To do this, beef farmers neeed an alternative enterprise and if there was a viable small scale Biogas industry would, this could be the alternative.
But i honestly dont think the government have any interest in spending money on a Biogas industry or helping the beef industry.

Sending 3 or 4 bullocks in this week... its a sad state of affairs when im hoping for €3.50/kg

wrangler · 28-07-2019 9:39am

Keep Sluicing wrote: »

Ive being work on and building digesters for nearly a decade now. Also a part time beef farmer.
The beef industry needs to reduce supply/numbers going to the gactory. To do this, beef farmers neeed an alternative enterprise and if there was a viable small scale Biogas industry would, this could be the alternative.
But i honestly dont think the government have any interest in spending money on a Biogas industry or helping the beef industry.

Sending 3 or 4 bullocks in this week... its a sad state of affairs when im hoping for €3.50/kg

That german farmer was buying fodder beet and silage even for that digester so the neighbours were getting a boost too in that they were getting more than the price for animal feed
A friend who was self employed has gone to the public service lately, he tells me he has to find his low gear now,
Them and the Government should be fecked out

Homer jay · 28-07-2019 10:25am

Any r grade cow prices for next week ?

cute geoge · 28-07-2019 10:49am

How could we twist back on central government in the EU .They basically want top quality food produced for zilch and then on top of this tax the fuk out of farmers for producing carbon .The EU is a basket case with no extra carbon tax on high emission airlines etc but Agriculture it seems is a soft touch .
Shame on Phil Hogan who basically has thrown farmers under the bus

blue5000 · 28-07-2019 1:05pm

Bass Reeves wrote: »

R grade Continental heifers used to be at around 72/73% kill out if I remember from figures about 15 years ago. There is 71% and 76% but averaging over 79% across all cattle in Ireland would be a miracle 30 years ago. Steak size is the big issue the premium over all other beef is 2-300%

I presume you mean boning out % of the carcase weight? Best kill out rate I've had is 61% for bulls.

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