Random Wrasslin' thoughts.....

Lord TSC · 16-06-2013 11:23am

In a way, I think that's why Bryan is getting over so much; he's the top face who isn't a bully.

He's a guy who has confidence issues and wants to prove himself. He doesn't resort to cheap shots or picking on people weaker than him. He just goes out and fights fair fights, wanting to prove himself.

In a way, it's why I worry about Punk coming back tonight; as much as I love him, I really don't want another jerk face....

DM_7 · 16-06-2013 11:39am

I don;t mind a face that is a jerk or cocky once they admit those flaws. Promos/Interviews etc that just revolve around people calling others fat or stupid, coming up with awful per names like Walrus, Goat face etc are terrible.

Punk can talk to a heel without just making petty insults about someones appearance. He can talk about actions instead of characteristics.

His words to Jericho last year for example:

"And I'm listening. But I think everybody else is sick of listening. So I'm gonna go ahead... Look, Chris, I know how good you are. These people know how good you are. My problem I have with you is you coming out here and insinuating that I've stolen anything from you. No. I've never plagiarized anything in my life. Everything that I have I fought for and I've earned. It's right here. You think you invented saying that you are the best? Are you kiddin' me? There is a guy I remember watching when I was a kid. You probably watched him when you were a kid, too. His name is Bret Hitman Hart. The best there is, the best there was, and the best there ever will be. Did you invent that? Did you give that to him when you were what, two years old? He's Canadian, too. Did you invent him being Canadian? Did you invent Canada?"

"You know, you keep saying that. And your words just scream superiority, but I watch you and the way you walk out here and the inflection in your voice. And certainly your body language. It screams inferiority. Who you're trying to prove? You're trying to prove to me that you're the best? Are you trying to prove to these people that you're the best? Or are you trying to prove to yourself that you're the best? See, I say that I'm the best in the world. And yeah, that's a little cocky. But confidence is nothing that I've ever lacked. And it's nothing that I thought you lacked. But now that confidence, Chris, it seems to be replaced with jealousy.

So you look at me and you see a guy that emerged from the same shadows you did. He came from the same places you did. He overcame the same obstacles you did. But now he surpassed everything you did, didn't he? Because, sure, you beat legends. You beat Stone Cold and you beat The Rock in the same night ten years ago and that made you the WWE Champion. But you were never really the man like how I'm the man, were you? And that just bothers you a little bit, doesn't it. You have a Napoleon complex because of it. So you come back and you try to point fingers and place the blame. The blame is only on you.

See, you say that you're the best in the world at what you do. And I say that I'm the best wrestler in the world. The distinction to me is very simple. This is nothing I chose. I was born this way. This is who I am. This is what I do while you chose to leave and write books and have a radio show and be on game shows. And you chose to be a rock star. And all the while I'm here on top, swimming with sharks while you're dancing with stars."

I'm not so keen on when it resorts to goat face:
To D Bryan so hopefully he avoids that!

We used to be similar. You, like me, well you shattered the glass ceiling, didn't you? But ever since you did, you've become a self-absorbed, arrogant, insecure, obnoxious, goat-faced moron. Which is fine, because you know what? The WWE is always in need for self-absorbed, arrogant, insecure, obnoxious, goat-faced morons. So that's gonna be your new thing, more power to you. It's a little bit worthy for a T-Shirt, but I wish you well. Whether you like it or not... [Fans chant "goat face"] Whether you like it or not goat face, Sunday, at No Way Out, I'm giving you a wake up-call. Ironically enough when I put you to sleep."

Cianan2 · 16-06-2013 3:22pm

I watched Wrestling Road Diaries yesterday, and having never seen any of Bryans indy work, it makes me wonder how he feels about CM Punk using the "Best in the World" thing for the last year...

GTR63 · 16-06-2013 3:39pm

gnfnrhead wrote: »

Bully Ray is one of the best things in wrestling. Anyone who doesnt give him the credit he deserves hasnt a clue.

Thank you for that shred of common sense. I doubt he juices either all I think he did was diet and hit the weights (there are FAR more sceptical bodies in both Tna and wwe at present). He kinda had to get in better shape as a singles competitor he had to improve his cardio, his bumping was always a lot better than most guys his shape anyway.

Max Power1 · 16-06-2013 6:25pm

downonthefarm wrote: »

at the mo aj is the only reasin to watch...and those two black birds wo come out with broadus

And the bellas

Looper007 · 16-06-2013 7:55pm

Cianan2 wrote: »

I watched Wrestling Road Diaries yesterday, and having never seen any of Bryans indy work, it makes me wonder how he feels about CM Punk using the "Best in the World" thing for the last year...

Bryan's a humble guy and I don't think he really cares and probably wishes Punk the best. I say Punk knows himself that Bryan is the real "Best In The World".

DM_7 · 16-06-2013 9:13pm

Losing so much body fat and bulking up at his age looks suspicious. I don't think anyone other than himself can really comment on it with any certainty.

gnfnrhead · 17-06-2013 4:30pm

DM-ICE wrote: »

Losing so much body fat and bulking up at his age looks suspicious. I don't think anyone other than himself can really comment on it with any certainty.

It wasnt a sudden change, it's taken years to get to where he is now.

DM_7 · 17-06-2013 7:51pm

gnfnrhead wrote: »

It wasnt a sudden change, it's taken years to get to where he is now.

I don't remember saying otherwise.

gnfnrhead · 18-06-2013 4:18am

DM-ICE wrote: »

I don't remember saying otherwise.

So how does it look suspicious? If it took a few weeks, fair enough. But it took him years.

DM_7 · 18-06-2013 6:21am

His age and the complete transformation as per my original post. The industry he works in has a poor track record as well. Drugs don't provide instant change to people that are out of shape. You still have to lift the weights and drop body fat over time. But they will help you build muscle when your older, testosterone levels falling.

I have no idea or particular interest in if he took anything. But I can see why people would question his change (see above) or others would give him credit for a natural change - (plenty of time on his hands to make that type of change with TNA schedule etc). That is not based on the before photo posted here either.

Ando's Saggy Bottom · 18-06-2013 7:38am

Like cycling anyone making a big change in shape in wrestling will be viewed with suspicion. Nature if the beast. I thought exactly the same when Masato Tanaka had a similar transformation a few years back.

jaykhunter · 01-07-2013 8:24pm

Why does The Rock get guff for returning to wrestling? Austin said in various interviews stemming from about 2 years ago that he's 100%. Here's a tweet from SCSA dated March 2010 :
"…the neck is fine. after my surgery in 2000 I'm good to go. c3-4 fusion. it is 100%."
How come Austin doesn't get any grief for not returning? Is it because people don't know that, or are they annoyed about Rock's success in the movie industry?

DM_7 · 01-07-2013 8:28pm

I think people were not impressed with the predictability of his second mania match - Cena again, the matches with Punk in the lead up were assumed wins long before they happened so it lacked a spark maybe?

gnfnrhead · 01-07-2013 8:30pm

jaykhunter wrote: »

Why does The Rock get guff for returning to wrestling? Austin said in various interviews stemming from about 2 years ago that he's 100%. Here's a tweet from SCSA dated March 2010 :
"…the neck is fine. after my surgery in 2000 I'm good to go. c3-4 fusion. it is 100%."
How come Austin doesn't get any grief for not returning? Is it because people don't know that, or are they annoyed about Rock's success in the movie industry?

You want people to be complaining because he didn't come back, in the same way people complain about Rock coming back?

That makes very little sense to me.

jaykhunter · 01-07-2013 8:35pm

gnfnrhead wrote: »

You want people to be complaining because he didn't come back, in the same way people complain about Rock coming back? That makes very little sense to me.

HA HA HA I mean why does Rock get abuse - He's the guy who has come back to help out WWE & is taking a paycut doing so. While Austin hasn't come back despite a clean bill of health, instead he faffs around on his microphone & remakes the same direct-to-DVD movie 10 times over. I mean complaining about Rock (whilst loving Austin) seems quite hypocritical.

gnfnrhead · 01-07-2013 8:40pm

I think it's exactly because Austin didn't come back. He isn't taking up air time, main event spots etc like Rock was despite being nowhere close to his best.

Rock should have been one and done, hardly anyone would complain then. Alternatively, if he was sticking around longer he should have interacted with more people. Was Bryan the only one to get any real air time outside of Cena and Punk? Can't remember anyone else doing much with him. He took up a main event spot and added nothing to the vast majority of the roster.

jaykhunter · 01-07-2013 8:48pm

Ok, that sounds reasonable, that people were annoyed WWE did what's best business-wise (main event Rock vs Cena/Punk). Do you think everyone'd be happy if Rock came back to feud with, say, Bryan, Sheamus and Ryback? (Or would they complain he's being wasted in lower feuds?)

01-07-2013 8:53pm

Have to remember, Austin will be 49 at the end of the year, so even in 2010 when he sent that tweet, he was no spring chicken.

I'm glad Austin hasn't returned as he would have to be too watered down, to fit in with the current product. You see even when he makes the odds guest appearance, he just isn't the same. I think he realised this too, and probably extinguished any lingering desires to give it another go.

I think the reason The Rock gets so much flak, is because they rebuilt the company around his return. While he was away for extended breaks, the other guys were on the road, yet he still gets the headline spot, at Mania.

Announcing the Mania matches a year in advance was absolutely dreadful, in my opinion.

gnfnrhead · 01-07-2013 8:54pm

Doing Cena first made sense. But the fact he did fcuk all then until he was handed a title match is probably what draws a lot of the dislike. No reason he couldn't have had a feud with someone like Sheamus leading into the Rumble. Then have a Wrestlemania match against someone like Bryan. Instead of wasting those four or so months by having him face the two full timers who needed it the least. Doesn't even matter who wins, just being involved with the Rock would have helped them big time. Wrestlemania sells itself, they didn't need to waste another year with a rematch against Cena.

The odd tag match on Raw wouldn't have gone amiss either.

Mr.Saturn · 01-07-2013 8:58pm

Brought to my attention recently:

Ryback's likely victory at MitB 2013 will be his first PPV win since..........MitB 2012.

gnfnrhead · 01-07-2013 9:01pm

Mr.Saturn wrote: »

Brought to my attention recently:

Ryback's likely victory at MitB 2013 will be his first PPV win since..........MitB 2012.

Back when he was still facing jobbers. Tyler Reks and Curt Hawkins I think it was against.

Ape Lincoln · 01-07-2013 9:06pm

jaykhunter wrote: »

HA HA HA I mean why does Rock get abuse - He's the guy who has come back to help out WWE & is taking a paycut doing so. While Austin hasn't come back despite a clean bill of health, instead he faffs around on his microphone & remakes the same direct-to-DVD movie 10 times over. I mean complaining about Rock (whilst loving Austin) seems quite hypocritical.

What did Rock get paid for his return? I doubt he did it for free. Granted he probably didn't get as much as he would on some of his crappy movies. WrestleMania 29 was the biggest MoneyMania ever, so I'm sure he got paid well.

Anyway the guff should be directed at WWE and Vince who booked him. WWE always had a strategy of not so much giving fans what they wanted but telling fans what they want and then giving them that (with a few exceptions obviously, most recently CM Punk). The internet in 2010 wasn't chock full of threads saying "they need to bring Rock back for three WrestleManias and a run with the title". My bet is they got panicked with Undertaker's future looking uncertain and HBK retiring (Edge too).

Austin definitely deserves guff for every appearance he made between 2003 post-WrestleMania XIX and 2010 imo, stinking up the place in stupid skits and segments. At least Rock broke a sweat in his return (still deserves a bit of the guff though cause he sucked!)

Bottom line is (if you'll pardon the pun) that if WWE are booking "legends" ie. old, retired, or semi-retired wrestlers in main event spots particulalrly at WrestleMania then that means they've no (or little) faith in the wrestlers they're promoting to draw money . I expect we're stuck with Cena at WrestleMania for another 20years

GTR63 · 01-07-2013 9:09pm

I don't get why Rock gets criticised so much. Does he have to be legit hurt to be allowed to walk away from Wrestling despite doing so much. Main eventing Mania 3 times iirc before his comeback and wrestled everyone during his era from Austin to Hogan to Lesnar to Goldberg. I don't see what people think he owes.

Mick Murdock · 01-07-2013 9:25pm

Hope Rock doesn't return this year. The act is stale, comedy is terrible and his time has come and gone. He was never going to face anyone else at WM as Cena made the most sense, money wise.

If there was scope to push the boundaries with Austin, snall things like the middle finger, some profanity etc.

Definitely no comedy. I think his return to face Punk would blow Rock away.

Knowing WWE he'd probably end up facing Cena instead.

mrkiscool2 · 01-07-2013 9:40pm

I think the Survivor Series Tag Match was actually pretty awesome. Rock looked good, it told a decent story in the ring, the end was also pretty good! I think a good few people were hoping the Rock would return (I know I did) His comeback wasn't great, but I think a programme between him and some upper-mid-cards around Rumble time and at EC, then face Lesnar at WM30 would be cool

Riddle101 · 01-07-2013 9:48pm

mrkiscool2 wrote: »

I think the Survivor Series Tag Match was actually pretty awesome. Rock looked good, it told a decent story in the ring, the end was also pretty good! I think a good few people were hoping the Rock would return (I know I did) His comeback wasn't great, but I think a programme between him and some upper-mid-cards around Rumble time and at EC, then face Lesnar at WM30 would be cool

No way would he wrestle some upper-mid cards. Not money matches. At best you might be lucky to see Rock Vs Rey Mysterio who he says he has always wanted to wrestle.

mrkiscool2 · 01-07-2013 9:54pm

Riddle101 wrote: »

No way would he wrestle some upper-mid cards. Not money matches. At best you might be lucky to see Rock Vs Rey Mysterio who he says he has always wanted to wrestle.

I never said it would happen, I said it would be pretty cool. Really wish people would read posts before they reply. Do I honestly believe that it will happen? Of course not. Also I hate people bringing things like "money-matches" into it. The way you make stars is to make them look good against the best or people who were the best. What better way to do that than have someone like Sandow face The Rock?

jaykhunter · 01-07-2013 10:05pm

That would be a cool idea. No doubt the segment building it up would be super. Would people accept Rock vs Sandow though? If Sandow beat the Rock, people would likely view it as just an upset, like Shelton beating Hunter, a fluke. WWE have fashioned such a heirarchy (opening card, midcard, main event) that only those bursting out of the mid-card could actually capitalise on an endorsement from a main event guy like The Rock. Sandow's 3 weeks of bad booking away from being on Superstars, he's too far below The Rock in the pecking order. But if red-hot Daniel Bryan beat The Rock, it'd definitely catapult him. Yes, no, maybe?

Ando's Saggy Bottom · 01-07-2013 10:50pm

I think most people didn't have a problem with the fact that Rock was back. I think they were just underwhelmed that Rock wasn't very good when he came back. His schtick hasn't aged well and the scintillating energy that used to paper over the cracks in his samey promos just wasn't there this time round.

Austin is doing his legacy a favour with every passing year that he stays away.

Riddle101 · 02-07-2013 1:42am

mrkiscool2 wrote: »

I never said it would happen, I said it would be pretty cool. Really wish people would read posts before they reply. Do I honestly believe that it will happen? Of course not. Also I hate people bringing things like "money-matches" into it. The way you make stars is to make them look good against the best or people who were the best. What better way to do that than have someone like Sandow face The Rock?

You said you thought a match between him and some upper mid-carders would be cool. You were implying that he should wrestle some upper-mid carders. I was just pointing out that it would not happen. Sure it would be nice to see him make some wrestlers into stars, but he's there strictly for the main event. I said money matches because that's what he's there for, just like Brock. Their place is against the main eventers since they're only there to wrestle for a certain amount of matches.

That being said, if WWE were that interested in pushing wrestlers and making them into stars, then they would be pushing them and wouldn't need the Rock to do that. First thing they should do, is commit to pushing wrestler s and not half arse it all the time.

DM_7 · 02-07-2013 8:32pm

I was glad Rock came back, glad he faced Punk and not just Cena.

I just would have preferred a less predictable outcome from his Punk matches and his second Cena match.

I would have had Punk win the first match, thanks to the Shield or some other messing. It would have provided a big Shock and a big boost to the idea that WWE could throw a curve ball with Punk Taker later on.

Rock win at Elimination Chamber fair and square.

mrkiscool2 · 02-07-2013 9:16pm

DM-ICE wrote: »

I was glad Rock came back, glad he faced Punk and not just Cena.

I just would have preferred a less predictable outcome from his Punk matches and his second Cena match.

I would have had Punk win the first match, thanks to the Shield or some other messing. It would have provided a big Shock and a big boost to the idea that WWE could throw a curve ball with Punk Taker later on.

Rock win at Elimination Chamber fair and square.

+1. I think people weren't giving out about The Rock coming back, they were giving out about
a. Him getting a title shot for winning two matches
b. Taking Main Event status away from some guys like Punk
c. The predictability about the ending.

I think they could have done things a lot differently. As you said, have him lose at the Rumble to Punk, win at EC. I would have also had Rock beat Cena at WM29 to set up a match at ER. Probably best E didn't go this route because of the injury Rock got.

Sirsok · 02-07-2013 11:40pm

Remember when everyone wanted rock to return for years and then he did and everyone was delighted? An defined everyone turned? Why I enjoyed his promos, angles and matches, I genuinel . Don't understand the hate? He is the same rock I remember....

Would the same happen to Austin if he returned?

Ape Lincoln · 03-07-2013 12:49am

mrkiscool2 wrote: »

b. Taking Main Event status away from some guys like Punk

Cena took away main event status from Punk. He didn't headlined any of the big 4 PPVs while champion without Cena being involved and when Punk was defending the title against Bryan Cena was headlining the PPV with.... eh, The Big Slug and Johnny Laryngitis.

The cheif stands alone · 03-07-2013 5:50pm

I don't mind if The Rock comes back, His promo's are still very strong. There isn't a great depth in mic skills in WWE these days. I know all he did was swear when he got into trouble with punk, but he still seems to get his catch phrases over without Michael Cole needing to ram it down our throats for him. I know its a bit undermining no-showing most of the shows and the satellite feed run with Cena was horrific. But lets face it he can get paid a lot more money doing another Fast and the Furious or G.I Joe flick. I'd say he sold a lot of PPV'S for them either ways, could be a cash cow in years to come. I'm really glad to see Mick Foley still getting the odd bit of screen time. I know its painful but It comforts me he's not in TNA, he deserves the cash.

Clemantis · 04-07-2013 4:14pm

2012/2013 has seen the rebirth of the wresting manager, which is something I never thought I'd see again. Paul Heyman, Zeb Coulter and Ricardo Rodriguez have all become main-stays of WWE booking. I'm delighted - I think short, fat guys make wrestlers look even more awesome, and all these guys are terrific entertainers - but I'm not sure why WWE has had such a change of heart on this issue.

gnfnrhead · 05-07-2013 6:09am

Ricardo has been there for a while. Heyman since shortly after Lesnar came back.

Having others who talk for people who are crap talkers isn't anything new. The only reason Heyman and Zeb have been given more than Lesnar and Swagger is because of how good they are. Nothing to do with a WWE change of heart.

Clemantis · 05-07-2013 11:13am

gnfnrhead wrote: »

The only reason Heyman and Zeb have been given more than Lesnar and Swagger is because of how good they are. Nothing to do with a WWE change of heart.

But they've been good for years and WWE haven't used them. They have changed how they put their show together to include more managers. I'm not sure why. Maybe we had been blessed to have guys who could talk and work (Rock, Austin, Foley, Triple H, Angle, Jericho, Edge, Cena, Orton) and they are less confident about the new crop being able to perform at that level. I dunno.

PTH2009 · 05-07-2013 12:57pm

imagine if Sting came to WWE but was using his old surfer gimmick and not the crow style gimmick we all want to see

Palo Alto · 05-07-2013 1:02pm

That would be the best thing ever!

Riddle101 · 05-07-2013 4:27pm

PTH2009 wrote: »

imagine if Sting came to WWE but was using his old surfer gimmick and not the crow style gimmick we all want to see

3721%20-%20smackdown%20smiling%20suit%20vince_mcmahon%20wwe.png

GTR63 · 05-07-2013 4:52pm

Ah Joker Sting is the best, wearing the ould red James Mitchell suit.

QikBax · 05-07-2013 7:58pm

Do ye think Angle will come back for one run before he retires?

rovert · 05-07-2013 8:13pm

jamc wrote: »

Do ye think Angle will come back for one run before he retires?

WWE are more open than ever to big name wrestlers working part time (Jericho, RVD) or special occasions (although Undertaker and Rock are the special cases of special cases).

There hasn't been any recent public incidents with Kurt. So that's a plus on him too.

QikBax · 05-07-2013 8:20pm

rovert wrote: »

WWE are more open than ever to big name wrestlers working part time (Jericho, RVD) or special occasions (although Undertaker and Rock are the special cases of special cases).

There hasn't been any recent public incidents with Kurt. So that's a plus on him too.

True. The part time schedule is a big plus now to getting older guys in.

GTR63 · 05-07-2013 8:26pm

rovert wrote: »

WWE are more open than ever to big name wrestlers working part time (Jericho, RVD) or special occasions (although Undertaker and Rock are the special cases of special cases).

There hasn't been any recent public incidents with Kurt. So that's a plus on him too.

I'd like to see Kurt go part time with whatever company he's with. I know he only wrestles a few days a month in Tna but he always seems to have his knee or hamstrings taped up nowdays.

rovert · 05-07-2013 9:31pm

Pretty much forgot about Smackdown GM Kurt Angle btw:

:P

DM_7 · 06-07-2013 11:10pm

AJ is up there with Punk, Bryan and the Shield as the most enjoyable people in WWE right now.

She reminds me of a female version of Eddie Guererro or Edge when is comes to acting things out. She is playing a heel but does so many entertaining things she just steals the spotlight from everyone else when she is on screen.

GTR63 · 06-07-2013 11:23pm

DM-ICE wrote: »

AJ is up there with Punk, Bryan and the Shield as the most enjoyable people in WWE right now.

She reminds me of a female version of Eddie Guererro or Edge when is comes to acting things out. She is playing a heel but does so many entertaining things she just steals the spotlight from everyone else when she is on screen.

Random Wrasslin' thoughts.....

Comments