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Super Rugby 2021

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  • #152
    sydthebeat
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    hahashake wrote: »
    Regan starting again for the Highlanders, and Fakatava/Ioane as the starting 9/10 combo.

    great sign for regan that hes considered ahead of a fit MSR who would be more experienced than him, even if Regan is the older of the two.

    plenty of rotation for the highlanders.
    hopefully we catch the chiefs a little cold...

    and make sure not to give gatland a drop goal chance if its that close at the end :D


  • #153
    sydthebeat
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    rob kearney gets the start again for the force

    they have a real chance of their first super rugby win since july 2017 !

    however im not convinced they have enough outright speed in the backs.
    their centers are 35 and 29 respectively, with a 32 year old winger on one side and a 34 year old full back.

    ralston on the right wing at 20 is absolutely rapid though


  • #154
    TeholB
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    Great 2nd half by the Highlanders.


  • #155
    Caranica
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    The ref is wrecking my head. Ignored a tackle in the air but a hair offside and it's a penalty. Huge difference between this guy and Ben O'Keeffe


  • #156
    sydthebeat
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    TeholB wrote: »
    Great 2nd half by the Highlanders.

    Yellow cards in the first half really hurt us.

    Surprised no card yet for the chiefs in the second half


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  • #157
    sydthebeat
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    Caranica wrote: »
    The ref is wrecking my head. Ignored a tackle in the air but a hair offside and it's a penalty. Huge difference between this guy and Ben O'Keeffe

    I agree that that wasn't a tackle in the air.

    You should not be rewarded for a bad pass and a jump to receive it


  • #158
    hahashake
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    That charge down from Gatland was probably a 14-point swing. Crazy stupid considering they had numbers 15m out from the line.

    I actually like the Highlanders away kit. Certainly easier on the eyes than fluoro green.


  • #159
    sydthebeat
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    hahashake wrote: »
    That charge down from Gatland was probably a 14-point swing. Crazy stupid considering they had numbers 15m out from the line.

    I actually like the Highlanders away kit. Certainly easier on the eyes than fluoro green.

    thats the 2degrees kit... all the teams have one...

    Highlanders_Rugby_Primeblue_Alternate_Replica_Jersey_White_GK3782_21_model.jpg

    last years highlanders was gorgeous too

    38113118_l.jpg


  • #160
    [Deleted User]
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    Kearney records his first win - pretty good game to watch.


  • #161
    PMC83
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    Enjoyed the game, delighted for the Force but it has to be said they weren't great, neither the Tahs. Lots of lads standing super deep for the Force, but not even running onto it! Literally loosing 5 meters with every pass.


    Just watched the Chiefs V Highlanders highlights too, still a serious gulf in class between those Oz and NZ super rugby sides


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  • #162
    sydthebeat
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    PMC83 wrote: »
    Enjoyed the game, delighted for the Force but it has to be said they weren't great, neither the Tahs. Lots of lads standing super deep for the Force, but not even running onto it! Literally loosing 5 meters with every pass.


    Just watched the Chiefs V Highlanders highlights too, still a serious gulf in class between those Oz and NZ super rugby sides

    agreed, i think the ethos is completely difference due to the gulf in basic skills.

    at one stage i think it was Nawaqanitawase who made a great run up the right and tried a 'behind the hand' offload out of the tackle .. but it went behind the target and out of play. The commentators were quite damning of him trying it and said he'll learn not to do that in the future... which was quite disappointing. This leads to heavy runners looking for contact and recycling rather than wining the tack and freeing the hands.

    couple that with the number of offloads in the chiefs landers game.. from everyone from locks and props to wide guys. More often than not they are sticking.


  • #163
    PMC83
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    sydthebeat wrote: »
    agreed, i think the ethos is completely difference due to the gulf in basic skills.

    at one stage i think it was Nawaqanitawase who made a great run up the right and tried a 'behind the hand' offload out of the tackle .. but it went behind the target and out of play. The commentators were quite damning of him trying it and said he'll learn not to do that in the future... which was quite disappointing. This leads to heavy runners looking for contact and recycling rather than wining the tack and freeing the hands.

    couple that with the number of offloads in the chiefs landers game.. from everyone from locks and props to wide guys. More often than not they are sticking.




    What do you think about Gatland at the Chiefs? Is he on a years absence now? The optics not great with him away in Europe and so many losses on the bounce.


  • #164
    hahashake
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    PMC83 wrote: »
    Enjoyed the game, delighted for the Force but it has to be said they weren't great, neither the Tahs. Lots of lads standing super deep for the Force, but not even running onto it! Literally loosing 5 meters with every pass.


    Just watched the Chiefs V Highlanders highlights too, still a serious gulf in class between those Oz and NZ super rugby sides

    https://twitter.com/seanny202/status/1367626984642146304

    Some context. Australia simply doesn't have the ability to hold on to top players or the depth to bring in new guys at a high level like NZ. Pretty sure you could make a better 23 of ex-Waratahs players still playing in Europe.


  • #165
    sydthebeat
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    PMC83 wrote: »
    What do you think about Gatland at the Chiefs? Is he on a years absence now? The optics not great with him away in Europe and so many losses on the bounce.

    well when he was there they were losing every week so que sera sera.

    he had the break written into his contract when he signed so its not going to effect him really... if anything being away this season might actually suit him if they keep losing.

    hes not doing his all black hopes much good though.


  • #166
    PMC83
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    hahashake wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/seanny202/status/1367626984642146304

    Some context. Australia simply doesn't have the ability to hold on to top players or the depth to bring in new guys at a high level like NZ. Pretty sure you could make a better 23 of ex-Waratahs players still playing in Europe.


    Yeah I get that alright. Its a big shame tbh. You'd worry for the game there at this stage.

    Sure their back line is young, but the skill level is just worrying low. You see NZ and Irish sides fielding young backlines but theres a skill and zip there. It's just not present in a lot of the oz super rugby sides unfortunately.


  • #167
    Digifriendly
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    Can't find any highlights of Waratahs vs Force on Youtube. Anyone any links to highlights?


  • #168
    hahashake
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    Digifriendly wrote: »
    Can't find any highlights of Waratahs vs Force on Youtube. Anyone any links to highlights?

    Give it an hour or two.
    Yeah I get that alright. Its a big shame tbh. You'd worry for the game there at this stage.

    Sure their back line is young, but the skill level is just worrying low. You see NZ and Irish sides fielding young backlines but theres a skill and zip there. It's just not present in a lot of the oz super rugby sides unfortunately.

    There is also the ever-present pull of the dominant football codes, I don't follow Australian school rugby closely but I know that lot of guys with options will go to the NRL or AFL. Even NZ Union schoolboys go to the NRL if they are offered a big contract at a young age.


  • #169
    PMC83
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    hahashake wrote: »
    Give it an hour or two.



    There is also the ever-present pull of the dominant football codes, I don't follow Australian school rugby closely but I know that lot of guys with options will go to the NRL or AFL. Even NZ Union schoolboys go to the NRL if they are offered a big contract at a young age.


    I remember Matty Williams on Off the Ball about a year back, saying union was expensive to join there, bit of financial pressure on parents and so on


  • #170
    Yeah_Right
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    Australia has always had a problem losing players to league. Back in the 80s and early 90s it was like a flood. Many of their great league players in that era, started in union. The trend stopped and even reversed for a while in the late 90s and noughties due to rugby going pro and the Super League war. I think the ARU got complacent during that period and never fixed the problems they have at the grassroots level. If they had they wouldn't be in the **** now.


  • #171
    hahashake
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    https://www.smh.com.au/sport/rugby-union/freak-of-nature-last-ditch-olympic-pitch-to-lure-suaalii-to-rugby-20200607-p550a2.html

    Perfect example story. Freakish athlete, played age grade Union at a top school and represented Australia at the Schoolboys level. Now in the NRL on a massive contract.


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  • #172
    Caranica
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    I just can't get excited about Super Rugby Australia compared to Aotearoa. I've my alarm set for 3.30am Sunday for the Crusaders game but I'll happily skip the Australian stuff.


  • #173
    Zzippy
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    I didn't see the Waratahs game but a mate who was at the game sent a few pics. The bastard. Said Kearney played well. He came over to them at the end and took a few selfies, spent a few mins chatting to the kids too. Not a bad oul skin for a Leinster lad...


  • #174
    PMC83
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    Yeah, always seemed like a decent lad. Probably happy to see a few Irish fans too!


  • #175
    [Deleted User]
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    Are the NZ and Aus leagues going to overlap at all?


  • #176
    sydthebeat
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Are the NZ and Aus leagues going to overlap at all?

    theyre joining up for a trans-tasman league in may / june

    https://super.rugby/superrugby/news/2021-super-rugby-trans-tasman-schedule-finalised/


  • #177
    Caranica
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    sydthebeat wrote: »
    theyre joining up for a trans-tasman league in may / june

    https://super.rugby/superrugby/news/2021-super-rugby-trans-tasman-schedule-finalised/

    And a whole new subscription needed for that I'm sure. RugbyPass quality is amazing but I'm so annoyed with Sky for fecking up.


  • #178
    sydthebeat
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    Narekis stats today included:

    4 clean breaks
    9 defenders beaten
    1 try assist
    195 meters run
    3 trys scored


    Not a bad day at the office


  • #179
    swiwi_
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    Regan wasn’t too bad but he is at least 10 kg too light imo.


  • #180
    Caranica
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    How come World Rugby broadcasts Super Rugby Australia for free yet we have to pay for Super Rugby Aotearoa? Both were on Sky last season.


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  • #181
    icdg
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    Caranica wrote: »
    How come World Rugby broadcasts Super Rugby Australia for free yet we have to pay for Super Rugby Aotearoa? Both were on Sky last season.

    That is a good spot (Super Rugby AU on world.rugby). I hadn’t heard anything about it! (Here for anyone interested: https://www.world.rugby/super-rugby/tournament-hub )

    The answer to the question, in summary is: Sky’s deal with Sanzaar is finished. Sanzaar couldn’t reach a new deal by the start of the SR season. The NZRU requested and were allowed to do a solo deal with RugbyPass just for Super Rugby Aoteara. Super Rugby AU were left with no broadcaster.


  • #182
    Leinstertomas
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    sydthebeat wrote: »
    Narekis stats today included:

    4 clean breaks
    9 defenders beaten
    1 try assist
    195 meters run
    3 trys scored


    Not a bad day at the office

    My fantasy team captain :D


  • #183
    sydthebeat
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    Leinstertomas wrote: »
    My fantasy team captain :D

    nice one :)
    i had the wrong highlanders winger in CGB


  • #184
    Caranica
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    Crusaders' return for a yellow card advantage is phenomenal. Worth waking up for!


  • #185
    swiwi_
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    Super Rugby 2022 likely to be a return to a 12 team round robin format with the addition of a Moana Pasifika and a Fiji-based team.

    Couldn’t be happier to be honest.


  • #186
    Squidgy Black
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    swiwi_ wrote: »
    Super Rugby 2022 likely to be a return to a 12 team round robin format with the addition of a Moana Pasifika and a Fiji-based team.

    Couldn’t be happier to be honest.

    Great news, you just have to hope that SANZAAR have put in place enough measures to keep the PIRA unions under control in terms of where any money goes and that players aren't exploited.


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  • #187
    swiwi_
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    Squidgy Black wrote: »
    Great news, you just have to hope that SANZAAR have put in place enough measures to keep the PIRA unions under control in terms of where any money goes and that players aren't exploited.

    Wait and see if it’s tongans and samoans...or kiwis with pacific heritage. I’d say NZRFU will financially control those 2 clubs, effectively to avoid fraud.

    No travel burden, no South African politics, no southern kings, plenty of pacific style flair rugby. Should be an easy sell.


  • #188
    sydthebeat
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    fantastic news.

    really could be a massive game changer for the status quo of world rugby


  • #189
    Digifriendly
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    sydthebeat wrote: »
    fantastic news.

    really could be a massive game changer for the status quo of world rugby

    Will be there be an Argentinian team? If not where does that leave the Argentinians? Out in the cold?


  • #190
    sydthebeat
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    Digifriendly wrote: »
    Will be there be an Argentinian team? If not where does that leave the Argentinians? Out in the cold?

    Looking to America I'd imagine.

    USA has a professional league, Argentina itself does not


  • #191
    Leinstertomas
    Registered Users Posts: 296 ✭✭Leinstertomas


    Crusaders:
    1. George Bower 2. Codie Taylor (VC) 3. Michael Alaalatoa 4. Scott Barrett (C) 5. Samuel Whitelock 6. Sione Havili Talitui 7. Tom Christie 8. Cullen Grace
    9. Mitchell Drummond 10. Richie Mo'unga 11. Leicester Fainga’anuku 12. David Havili (VC) 13. Jack Goodhue 14. Sevu Reece 15. Will Jordan

    Reserves: Brodie McAlister, Joe Moody, Fletcher Newell, Mitchell Dunshea, Whetukamokamo Douglas, Bryn Hall, Fergus Burke, Dallas McLeod

    Chiefs:
    1. Reuben O’Neill 2. Samisoni Taukei’aho 3. Angus Ta’avao 4. Tupou Vaa’i 5. Josh Lord 6. Mitchell Brown 7. Sam Cane (cc) 8. Luke Jacobson
    9. Brad Weber (cc) 10. Bryn Gatland 11. Etene Nanai-Seturo 12. Quinn Tupaea 13. Sean Wainui 14. Shaun Stevenson 15. Damian McKenzie

    Reserves: Bradley Slater, Aidan Ross, Sione Mafileo, Naitoa Ah Kuoi, Kaylum Boshier, Te Toiroa Tahuriorangi, Anton Lienert-Brown, Chase Tiatia


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  • #192
    sydthebeat
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    Benching ALB might be a huge mistake.
    I don't Wainui is a very good defender and he could be destroyed destroyed against that crusaders midfield


  • #193
    Yeah_Right
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    That is some team the Crusaders are putting out.


  • #194
    hahashake
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    Regan drops out of the 23 for the Highlanders but I wouldn't read too much into it as there has been a fair amount of rotation over the past few weeks.

    Also Himeno is playing for the development side so expect to see him in the main side soon.


  • #195
    PMC83
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    Western Force really not looking great unfortunately. On field decisions not great from some players but they don't look well coached at all.


  • #196
    hahashake
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    That was a nice try though.


  • #197
    PMC83
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    hahashake wrote: »
    That was a nice try though.


    Was a peach. But they cant play a tight game at all it seems. Coughed up ball on the line a bunch of times. People bag the PRO 14 but Super Rugby Oz isnt up to too much based off some of the matches so far!


  • #198
    hahashake
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    I don't disagree but Force v Rebels is bottom of the barrel. Although despite everything I enjoyed it somewhat.


  • #199
    PMC83
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    hahashake wrote: »
    I don't disagree but Force v Rebels is bottom of the barrel. Although despite everything I enjoyed it somewhat.


    Yeah, you'd be pretty heart broken for the Force. They have a decent enough squad, need to sort it out!


  • #200
    sydthebeat
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    Eloff is a ridiculous strong loose head


  • #201
    Leinstertomas
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    Blues:
    1. Karl Tu’inukuafe 2. Luteru Tolai 3. Ofa Tuungafasi 4. Patrick Tuipulotu © 5. Sam Darry 6. Akira Ioane 7. Dalton Papalii 8. Hoskins Sotutu
    9. Jonathan Ruru 10. Otere Black 11. Caleb Clarke 12. Harry Plummer 13. Rieko Ioane 14. Mark Telea 15. Stephen Perofeta

    Reserves: 16. Kurt Eklund 17. James Lay 18. Nepo Laulala 19. Gerard Cowley-Tuioti 20. Tom Robinson 21. Sam Nock 22. Tanielu Tele’a 23. Emoni Narawa

    Speight’s Highlanders:
    1. Ethan De Groot 2. Liam Coltman 3. Siate Tokolahi 4. Josh Dickson 5. Manaaki Selby-Rickit 6. Shannon Frizell 7. James Lentjes 8. Hugh Renton
    9. Aaron Smith (cc) 10. Josh Ioane 11. Jona Nareki 12. Patelesio Tomkinson 13. Michael Collins 14. Ngatungane Punivai 15. Connor Garden-Bachop

    Reserves: 16. Ash Dixon (cc) 17. Josh Hohneck 18. Jeff Thwaites 19. Bryn Evans 20. Marino Mikaele-Tu’u 21. Folau Fakatava 22. Mitch Hunt 23. Billy Harmon


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