Dark side of the ring

montyrebel wrote: »

wonder how much martha was paid for this and will she try and use it to get another payday from vince so he can place owen into the HOF

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Not a hope in hell of that happening. It's been clear for years that Martha hart wants nothing to do with the WWE and let's be honest it's not surprising. We as fans didn't know how their children felt about it and whether they may have a slightly different view point. Well we heard and saw both kids on screen make it very clear on their positions. So it was on life support before and now time of death for Owen hart being in the WWE HOF was May, 2020. Its over.

J. Marston wrote: »

AEW getting involved would be publicity-seeking in the extreme.

Anyway, Owen is already in a hall of fame and one that Martha Hart is happy with...



https://lastwordonprowrestling.com/2020/05/20/owen-hart-legacy-without-wwe-hof/

Unlike WWE, that Hall of Fame actually exists and is a place you can visit.

Martha Hart has no issue with Owen being honoured, just not by WWE. It should be left at that.

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Or maybe it was a very close friend of Owens saying something genuine about his friend ? Any chance that's all there was to mark Henry's HOF speech ?

2ndcoming wrote: »

I just watched the Owen episode and I found it a very tough watch. I grew up idolising him and Bret and I gave up on wrestling altogether shortly after 2000 for a good 10 years but I wonder why no one mentioned the elephant in the room in this case... if Owen didn't break Steve Austin's neck and his brother did not controversially leave the company he would not have been playing that character and dangling out of the roof in the first place.

sirmanga wrote: »

The Owen episode was very sad. However, I did find it weird that Martha brought her kids out on that catwalk from where their father plummeted to his death.

sirmanga wrote: »

Yeah. Something about so they'd "never have to wonder."
Whatever that means. Just found it to be very strange. I'm sure her head was all over the place but if they were my kids I'd want to keep them away from something so traumatic until they are old enough to decide for themselves if they want to go visit the arena.

Other than that, I found Martha to be very likeable.

Lithium93_ wrote: »

I'm guessing she did it as a means to protect them, help them understand and to be fair to her, it seems to have worked.

Either way, it was a tragedy that could and should've been avoided.

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Well you can understand why Austin didn't want to work with Owen and Shawn Michaels didn't want to work with anybody except his crew and it's acknowledged he was a prick to work with in late 90s WWF so that's hardly on Owen.

And I think I'm in the majority here but one accident doesnt justify him doing that stupid entrance 21 years ago tonight.

Monokne wrote: »

Firstly, it is not true that Shawn didn't want to work with Owen. He worked with him in January 1998. In fact, he only had 3 matches between his last match with Owen & the WM14 match with Steve Austin, so Owen was his 4th last match.

In terms of the Austin injury leading to the Blue Blazer, it is completely tangential. By that logic we should hold whoever booked Sting to do the stunt responsible since it gave WWE the idea to parody. How far are we going back and how wide are we spreading the net here? It's silly.

In terms of Austin, I like Steve and think he's generally a straight shooter, but his version of the Owen story has never held water with me.

Owen had performed the tombstone many times and always dropped to his knees:

https://youtu.be/gb8D5JZvdnk?t=70

In fact, the only person I ever saw doing the tombstone by dropping to their ass was...Steve Austin himself:

https://streamable.com/ch3ww

So we are to believe that Austin told Owen NOT to do it the way he himself did it, and Owen responded to this by ignoring Austin and performing the move in a manner he personally had never done it before? It doesn't make any sense, does it? Austin gets himself confused and he himself says he has a terrible memory. It's entirely possible he asked Owen to drop to his ass.

Although Owen got along with pretty much all of his colleagues, he disliked Austin on a personal level. Owen thought he just wasn't a very nice person. Besides, he was one of those wrestlers that started believing he really was a world champion.

Their relationship soured even more during a match in August 1997. Owen administered a routine "tombstone piledriver" - a move that is made by picking up an opponent, flipping him upside down and placing his head near your lower thighs before dropping to your knees.

It was suggested that Owen placed Austin's head too low before dropping him. As a result, Austin was left on lying on the canvas claiming to be temporarily paralyzed.

The incident kept Austin out of action for an extended period of time and Owen took a lot of heat from the fans.

Being a seasoned, extremely cautious wrestler, Owen told me he executed the move properly. He would have felt horrible if he had hurt anyone, but he would have owned up if he'd done something wrong. In this case he suspected Austin was being dishonest. He even told me weeks beforehand he thought Austin might fake an injury. Either Austin was using the incident as an excuse for some time off or, if he truly injured his neck, which surgery would indicate, Owen figured the damage had been done prior to their routine match.

764dak wrote: »

Do you prefer Martha Hart's version of the Austin's injury?