Traffic changes

Boooourns · 25-11-2017 11:57pm

mooseknunkle wrote: »

This afternoon was probably the worst traffic ive seen in Waterford,from the Quay right out to the lights at Ballybeg backed up in both directions..

The route from town out towards Ballybeg is the worst i've ever seen it recently, this looks like a monumental cock-up.

Flow Motion · 27-11-2017 1:14pm

Boooourns wrote: »

The route from town out towards Ballybeg is the worst i've ever seen it recently, this looks like a monumental cock-up.

You have hit the nail on the head there my friend. What type of organisation decides to implement such radical changes approaching the busiest time of year?
Then again knowing the WCCC the now defunct/closed lane down Bath Street will probably be turned into a cycle lane!:rolleyes:

alta stare · 27-11-2017 2:30pm

Flow Motion wrote: »

You have hit the nail on the head there my friend. What type of organisation decides to implement such radical changes approaching the busiest time of year?
Then again knowing the WCCC the now defunct/closed lane down Bath Street will probably be turned into a cycle lane!:rolleyes:

Im pretty sure one of the main reasons is to facilitate cycle lanes.

Alpha Centauri · 27-11-2017 8:08pm

Making some balls of the area, timing is very bad. Railway square/linkroad/poleberry should've been finished before bath street was closed off.

Cars coming over the link road cant turn left to go out poleberry because its down to one lane there so traffic coming from ballytruckle have it blocked.

Full urban renewal plan here

mooseknunkle · 27-11-2017 10:00pm

Alpha Centauri wrote: »

Making some balls of the area, timing is very bad. Railway square/linkroad/poleberry should've been finished before bath street was closed off.

Cars coming over the link road cant turn left to go out poleberry because its down to one lane there so traffic coming from ballytruckle have it blocked.

Full urban renewal plan here

A right balls of the area is an understatement,just had a look at the plans and some streets you would say yeah one way will make it better but then you look at bath street and bunkers hill and say what are they thinking.

Flow Motion · 28-11-2017 12:51pm

mooseknunkle wrote: »

A right balls of the area is an understatement,just had a look at the plans and some streets you would say yeah one way will make it better but then you look at bath street and bunkers hill and say what are they thinking.

I've had a quick look @ the plan above and I cannot believe the WCCC or an architect or a designer or a planner conceived it in the first place and then decided to proceed with it. Just concentrating on the Bath St Poleberry area its staggering the amount of changes/lanes (bus+cycle) that they are trying to incorporate into such a small area. Even when complete does it looks like a definite recipe for a disaster? I would go even further and say it has the potential to eclipse the mess on the Quay. Bus lanes on the Manor & the Link Rd which suddenly disappear and reappear and then merge into one lane! WTF? I dont see how making the Manor one way from Bunkers Hill to Railway Sq works. To be honest it looks like someone with too much time on their hands in the drawing/planning dept was given free reign to explore their deepest city planning desires. As with the Quay it will look good but be totally impractical for the road users needs. Indeed added to the Quay it will only further extend the gridlock from the Bridge out onto the Cork Rd. Maybe the owners of the 2nd Bridge & the WCCC decided that the mess on the Quay did not suffice and they were not seeing the anticipated increase in traffic on the new Bridge. Maybe this will have the desired effect?

Dunmoreroader · 28-11-2017 3:09pm

Flow Motion wrote: »

I've had a quick look @ the plan above and I cannot believe the WCCC or an architect or a designer or a planner conceived it in the first place and then decided to proceed with it. Just concentrating on the Bath St Poleberry area its staggering the amount of changes/lanes (bus+cycle) that they are trying to incorporate into such a small area. Even when complete does it looks like a definite recipe for a disaster? I would go even further and say it has the potential to eclipse the mess on the Quay. Bus lanes on the Manor & the Link Rd which suddenly disappear and reappear and then merge into one lane! WTF? I dont see how making the Manor one way from Bunkers Hill to Railway Sq works. To be honest it looks like someone with too much time on their hands in the drawing/planning dept was given free reign to explore their deepest city planning desires. As with the Quay it will look good but be totally impractical for the road users needs. Indeed added to the Quay it will only further extend the gridlock from the Bridge out onto the Cork Rd. Maybe the owners of the 2nd Bridge & the WCCC decided that the mess on the Quay did not suffice and they were not seeing the anticipated increase in traffic on the new Bridge. Maybe this will have the desired effect?

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Taxburden carrier · 28-11-2017 5:39pm

One more reason to avoid the centre of town .

Road-Hog · 28-11-2017 9:41pm

Flow Motion wrote: »

I've had a quick look @ the plan above and I cannot believe the WCCC or an architect or a designer or a planner conceived it in the first place and then decided to proceed with it. Just concentrating on the Bath St Poleberry area its staggering the amount of changes/lanes (bus+cycle) that they are trying to incorporate into such a small area. Even when complete does it looks like a definite recipe for a disaster? I would go even further and say it has the potential to eclipse the mess on the Quay. Bus lanes on the Manor & the Link Rd which suddenly disappear and reappear and then merge into one lane! WTF? I dont see how making the Manor one way from Bunkers Hill to Railway Sq works. To be honest it looks like someone with too much time on their hands in the drawing/planning dept was given free reign to explore their deepest city planning desires. As with the Quay it will look good but be totally impractical for the road users needs. Indeed added to the Quay it will only further extend the gridlock from the Bridge out onto the Cork Rd. Maybe the owners of the 2nd Bridge & the WCCC decided that the mess on the Quay did not suffice and they were not seeing the anticipated increase in traffic on the new Bridge. Maybe this will have the desired effect?

All none big conspiracy alright....ðŸ˜Š

Road-Hog · 28-11-2017 9:43pm

Taxburden carrier wrote: »

One more reason to avoid the centre of town .

But thousands refuse to avoid the city centre. Have you tried to get parking during the day anywhere on the quay, Bolton st new gasworks car park or others.......evidence suggests people are doing anything but avoiding the placw

Harry Palmr · 28-11-2017 9:51pm

Road-Hog wrote: »

But thousands refuse to avoid the city centre. Have you tried to get parking during the day anywhere on the quay, Bolton st new gasworks car park or others.......evidence suggests people are doing anything but avoiding the placw

And plenty like the poster above prefer free parking and usually lots of it on the ring road. I'm also of one of them

Taxburden carrier · 28-11-2017 10:16pm

Harry Palmr wrote: »

And plenty like the poster above prefer free parking and usually lots of it on the ring road. I'm also of one of them

It’s not even the parking Harry. It’s the increasing hassle of getting in and out of there. There’s nothing in there that I want or need that I can’t get on the outskirts of town . The current carry on is just reinforcing this for me.

Road-Hog · 28-11-2017 11:09pm

Taxburden carrier wrote: »

It’s not even the parking Harry. It’s the increasing hassle of getting in and out of there. There’s nothing in there that I want or need that I can’t get on the outskirts of town . The current carry on is just reinforcing this for me.

But huge numbers obviously think there is lots for them in the city centre area and are willing to forego the 'hassle' etc that you can't deal with. Did you ever try to drive to city centre/down town New York or London....? Yet both city centres are thronged with people.....you are extaplolating your own myopic view to the population at large......the evidence on the ground doesn't support it

Same applies to you Harry palmer.......your own view of the world likes/dislikes/ opinions/perceptions are just yours.......by all means express them but evidence suggests they are non-representative.......city centre shopping still remains popular....

StringerBell · 29-11-2017 12:42am

Funnily enough there was lads (business owners) on Newstalk there during the week complaining about the lack of footfall in a part of Dublin City due to traffic management issues

Taxburden carrier · 29-11-2017 7:38am

Road-Hog wrote: »

But huge numbers obviously think there is lots for them in the city centre area and are willing to forego the 'hassle' etc that you can't deal with. Did you ever try to drive to city centre/down town New York or London....? Yet both city centres are thronged with people.....you are extaplolating your own myopic view to the population at large......the evidence on the ground doesn't support it

Same applies to you Harry palmer.......your own view of the world likes/dislikes/ opinions/perceptions are just yours.......by all means express them but evidence suggests they are non-representative.......city centre shopping still remains popular....

Ah yes...Times Square, Trafalgar Square and...er Arundel Square.
Didn’t say I couldn’t deal with the current set up, I said I choose not to . Last time I checked it wasn’t compulsory.
I will continue to support local businesses on the outskirts of town if that’s ok with you.

Road-Hog · 29-11-2017 10:12am

Taxburden carrier wrote: »

Ah yes...Times Square, Trafalgar Square and...er Arundel Square.
Didn’t say I couldn’t deal with the current set up, I said I choose not to . Last time I checked it wasn’t compulsory.
I will continue to support local businesses on the outskirts of town if that’s ok with you.

Totally your choice I don't think anyone really cares where you shop or park but making and extrapolating simplistic generalisations is another example of the negative and moaning attitudes that are all too common

wmpdd3 · 02-12-2017 2:01am

When objections to the greenroute were aired to the planners, their basic answer was, the green has been started and now it must be finished.

See the thread on here relating to Dunphys shop.

smaoifs · 07-12-2017 4:18pm

Back for my Thursday update. The corner at the right hand corner of Bunkers Hill is being reconstructed so we had to shout into one of the builders to press the button for the green man for us.
Bath Street has now been split into 3 lanes but only 1 is open. Filter light from Bunkers Hill still isn't on for long enough and there are more and more cars jumping the light. We were crossing on the green man and in the kiddie of road when a car came around from Bunkers Hill.

TheQuietFella · 07-12-2017 8:09pm

StringerBell wrote: »

Funnily enough there was lads (business owners) on Newstalk there during the week complaining about the lack of footfall in a part of Dublin City due to traffic management issues

Brown Thomas today was as busy as ever today!
Almost one sales assistant per customer and these people were spending!

StringerBell · 08-12-2017 9:56pm

TheQuietFella wrote: »

Brown Thomas today was as busy as ever today!
Almost one sales assistant per customer and these people were spending!

Brown Thomas close to Christmas brings on some heavy PTSD on me.

"The horror"

mooseknunkle · 12-12-2017 6:03pm

One week before Christmas they are starting this

One-way system commencing at Railway Square / Manor St from 15th December

All outbound traffic on Manor St will be diverted onto Railway Square and the Poleberry Link Road from this Friday 15th.

Traffic Management will be in place at the Bath St - Manor St - College St. junction on Thursday 14th December from 10:00am and through out Thursday night. This is to facilitate the installation of new traffic signals.

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smaoifs · 12-12-2017 7:40pm

On the map on Facebook it looks like there'll be no right turn from Bunkers Hill towards Topaz/Morris's.

alta stare · 12-12-2017 8:15pm

smaoifs wrote: »

On the map on Facebook it looks like there'll be no right turn from Bunkers Hill towards Topaz/Morris's.

Ah i doubt that. Sure how would anyone get out that way bar driving all over the place. As far as i can see on the plans it is no straight through to Bath St from Bunkers Hill (as it is now). You can turn right and left from Bunkers Hill with Manor Street being one way. I am of course open to correction on this.

wendydoll · 12-12-2017 10:44pm

It does look like it'll be left only coming down bunkers hill. Looks like kerbing put in pushing cars into town from Manor Street. Will just push more cars to go across residential areas in Hennessey road/ McDermott road/ Ceannt Road area's to get to the likes of Morris's, social welfare office, community care units.

alta stare · 12-12-2017 11:01pm

wendydoll wrote: »

It does look like it'll be left only coming down bunkers hill. Looks like kerbing put in pushing cars into town from Manor Street. Will just push more cars to go across residential areas in Hennessey road/ McDermott road/ Ceannt Road area's to get to the likes of Morris's, social welfare office, community care units.

Absolute madness if that is the case.

Harry Palmr · 12-12-2017 11:40pm

Sure people will just have to keep going until they hit the RSC roundabout.

ps obviously doing this work the week before Christmas makes perfect sense in the la la land of the public sector.

Why don't they do it after Christmas and before New Year I wonder?

TheQuietFella · 13-12-2017 3:44am

I'm hearing rumours that the great work Waterford City Council paid to have carried out for the betterment of our city is all to be undone and returned to
its former glory!

BBM77 · 13-12-2017 9:47am

TheQuietFella wrote: »

I'm hearing rumours that the great work Waterford City Council paid to have carried out for the betterment of our city is all to be undone and returned to
its former glory!

Are you talking about The Quay?

TheQuietFella · 13-12-2017 11:49am

BBM77 wrote: »

Are you talking about The Quay?

Apologies BBM77, I am!

smaoifs · 13-12-2017 12:23pm

TheQuietFella wrote:

I'm hearing rumours that the great work Waterford City Council paid to have carried out for the betterment of our city is all to be undone and returned to its former glory!

Please let this be true and let the Bath Street works be halted before they go any further.

Max Powers · 13-12-2017 12:38pm

BBM77 wrote: »

Are you talking about The Quay?

Talking nonsense probably

alta stare · 13-12-2017 1:39pm

Max Powers wrote: »

Talking nonsense probably

He may not be Max as i heard it too and from somebody working in the council.

mooseknunkle · 13-12-2017 1:45pm

alta stare wrote: »

He may not be Max as i heard it too and from somebody working in the council.

What are they going to do make it two lanes again and get rid of the roundabouts?

alta stare · 13-12-2017 1:54pm

mooseknunkle wrote: »

What are they going to do make it two lanes again and get rid of the roundabouts?

Yeah i was told they were planning on putting it back the way it was. To be fair i wouldnt know what to believe sometimes when it comes to WCC but the person who told me is there a long time and would know if something like this was on the cards. Personally id be surprised if they did tear it up.

wmpdd3 · 13-12-2017 4:13pm

Does anyone know if notes are kept from council meetings for the public?

Someone told me they read figures showing a shape decrease in footfall on the quay since the quay was done, but I can't find figures.

They also had figures for average travel time from the bridge to the Tower at different times of the day. This would be very interesting, my Google time line rates the quay as red most times during the day but I never go down the so I don't have my own Google timeline data.

I was at a regional meeting in Railway square today, most came down the motorway and were delayed. The visitors couldn't fathom the new layout and asked what the best alternative route would be, I could only suggest the toll bridge and the ring road and come in from John's Park to park in Railway Square.

The meeting had been moved to Kilkenny for next month.

Flow Motion · 13-12-2017 5:36pm

alta stare wrote: »

Yeah i was told they were planning on putting it back the way it was. To be fair i wouldnt know what to believe sometimes when it comes to WCC but the person who told me is there a long time and would know if something like this was on the cards. Personally id be surprised if they did tear it up.

I heard something similar about 6 months ago and thought nothing more of it. Just a bit of gossip. However, about a month ago I was told that most of the shop owners on The Quay were given letters by the WCCC stating that all the works on the Quay were reverting back to the way it was before. The source of all this info is very reliable. I did not hear it direct from that person so can't be 100% sure. So if anyone out there knows anyone who owns a shop or a property on The Quay please ask them!

As an aside, and to quote Fr Ted: what the fup is the story with the 100 metre 2 foot wall with railing that is taking an eternity (2 months +) to build. Its at the front of the first car park adjacent to the Plaza.

Flow Motion · 13-12-2017 5:41pm

wmpdd3 wrote: »

Does anyone know if notes are kept from council meetings for the public?

Someone told me they read figures showing a shape decrease in footfall on the quay since the quay was done, but I can't find figures.
.

I would'nt be @ all surprised IMO. Its chaos at the best of times. Its neither pedestrian or commuter friendly. Just some planner architect dude indulging his wildest town planning fantasies.
The biggest of should I say the fatal mistake of The Quay @ present is the presence of the two large roundabouts. Or maybe its the 2 cycle lanes that have about 0.5% usage!

wmpdd3 · 13-12-2017 7:27pm

The most common question I'm asked from tourists is, we got delayed on the quay yesterday, can you recommend an alternative, that's the point, the isn't one. Most tourists I deal with are coming on from the n24 and doing the Viking Triangle and then Funnier or Tramore.

What does the council want them to do, park in Sally Park and walk in?

Will we just make the quay one way towards the Tower and make Bridge at one way towards the bridge? May as well try it at this point.

kayaksurfbum · 13-12-2017 9:41pm

wmpdd3 wrote: »

The most common question I'm asked from tourists is, we got delayed on the quay yesterday

I have to say i find that very hard to believe.

Today for example i did the full length of the quay twice with no hold up at all.

Waterboy2014 · 13-12-2017 10:08pm

If this is actually true, I give up. The quay is so much better than it was in the past. I am so tired of listening to people quoting the quay as the biggest mistake ever made by the council. So ridiculous. So many terrible planning decisions that I could name. The quay is so much more attractive and I've never had to wait for more than 15 mins to travel the full length. Anyway living in a major urban area means traffic and it's completely naive to expect traffic free driving. I really wonder what sort of people have such expectations.

Aside from it being a terrible idea to revert back to the past, the cost is completely unjustified. Whatever about tweaking what is in place, a complete reversion is so wasteful.

How is it not possible to understand that the quay will have traffic on it no matter what way it is laid out... it's city centre traffic. End of!

rex-x · 13-12-2017 10:10pm

Waterboy2014 wrote: »

If this is actually true, I give up. The quay is so much better than it was in the past. I am so tired of listening to people quoting the quay as the biggest mistake ever made by the council. So ridiculous. So many terrible planning decisions that I could name. The quay is so much more attractive and I've never had to wait for more than 15 mins to travel the full length. Anyway living in a major urban area means traffic and it's completely naive to expect traffic free driving. I really wonder what sort of people have such expectations.

Aside from it being a terrible idea to revert back to the past, the cost is completely unjustified. Whatever about tweaking what is in place, a complete reversion is so wasteful.

How is it not possible to understand that the quay will have traffic on it no matter what way it is laid out... it's city centre traffic. End of!

I cant agree, the quay was far better before, its a disgrace and a disaster in its current form, truly awful and I don't say that lightly.

alta stare · 13-12-2017 10:12pm

Waterboy2014 wrote: »

If this is actually true, I give up. The quay is so much better than it was in the past. I am so tired of listening to people quoting the quay as the biggest mistake ever made by the council. So ridiculous. So many terrible planning decisions that I could name. The quay is so much more attractive and I've never had to wait for more than 15 mins to travel the full length. Anyway living in a major urban area means traffic and it's completely naive to expect traffic free driving. I really wonder what sort of people have such expectations.

Aside from it being a terrible idea to revert back to the past, the cost is completely unjustified. Whatever about tweaking what is in place, a complete reversion is so wasteful.

How is it not possible to understand that the quay will have traffic on it no matter what way it is laid out... it's city centre traffic. End of!

To be fair the traffic is worse now than it ever has been. I agree about the notion of tearing it up, it would be such a waste of funds. They would be better suited spending the money on building social housing than tearing up the roads putting in stupid one way systems and the likes.

Waterboy2014 · 13-12-2017 10:48pm

Perhaps the traffic has gotten worse... I haven't witnessed it to the same degree as others report. I guess it's not such a black and white issue as some people make it. The problem is surely related to more than one factor. More people are driving now in the city than 3/4 years ago (more employment)... while some of the traffic can be result of quay changes, I really doubt that traffic will magically disappear if layout reverts to what it was in the past.

wmpdd3 · 13-12-2017 10:57pm

The only really solution to volumes on the quay is a crossing from the N25 to the Dunmore rd area.

Harry Palmr · 13-12-2017 11:03pm

There is a notional idea about this but ludicrously it would come out by the A&E/old entrance to the hospital!

BBM77 · 13-12-2017 11:29pm

Waterboy2014 wrote: »

If this is actually true, I give up. The quay is so much better than it was in the past. I am so tired of listening to people quoting the quay as the biggest mistake ever made by the council. So ridiculous. So many terrible planning decisions that I could name. The quay is so much more attractive and I've never had to wait for more than 15 mins to travel the full length. Anyway living in a major urban area means traffic and it's completely naive to expect traffic free driving. I really wonder what sort of people have such expectations.

Aside from it being a terrible idea to revert back to the past, the cost is completely unjustified. Whatever about tweaking what is in place, a complete reversion is so wasteful.

How is it not possible to understand that the quay will have traffic on it no matter what way it is laid out... it's city centre traffic. End of!

There are too many people who think The Quay as it stands is just not working for it to be dismissed as people just whingeing.

I have seen the The Quay backed up on Saturday mornings and Saturday and Sunday evening on normal days with no particular events on in the city. If traffic is backing up at times like these when the traffic is generally light in the city there is something wrong. You’d never see The Quay backed up at these times before the changes were made.

An example of what is wrong with The Quay is one Saturday morning I needed to go over the bridge coming from the Dunmore Road area. The traffic was backed up on The Quay and Lombard St. So, I turned up The Mall and up through John’s St to Ballybricken, down The Glen and over the bridge. So instead of traffic going along a high capacity artery it was being encouraged up through narrow city streets many of them residential.

BBM77 · 13-12-2017 11:39pm

wmpdd3 wrote: »

The only really solution to volumes on the quay is a crossing from the N25 to the Dunmore rd area.

This could be the reason changes to The Quay will be made. I heard on WLR that the council sounded out the government on another bridge and they were told they won’t get funding because it is too soon after the last bridge was built.

So the real world translation is that we won’t get funding until Waterford has a TD serving as a full minister.

Gardner · 14-12-2017 11:08am

I like the quay and the quay works but the biggest problem we have here is the driving standards/attitudes of people. Example of this, is parking on the quay. Pulling in to leave people off or pick up, driving slowing to find a parking spot.

The council need to implement a no parking area along the whole quay. From Reginald’s tower to the bridge. Have only business laydown areas and bus areas on the inside lane. Other than that if a car stops your fined and get penalty points. Simple as that.
To help the business on the quay. The council should look at a 20 minute free parking area in the existing car parks to curtail people from pulling in. The next step after that is to invest in infrastructure either for over or under areas to accommodate people crossing the road to eliminate all pedestrian across and lights. We got to start thinking like a big city if we want to be a progressive city. How many European cities have we all been in and we have seen this!

Cabaal · 14-12-2017 11:15am

BBM77 wrote: »

Are you talking about The Quay?

Hope not, the quays was an utter mess before and very unsafe

Cabaal · 14-12-2017 11:19am

rex-x wrote: »

I cant agree, the quay was far better before, its a disgrace and a disaster in its current form, truly awful and I don't say that lightly.

Yeah it was much better as a race track where I was almost run down twice when I was legally crossing at a crossing point.

It's city centre and slower speeds should be encouraged, no way in hell the quays will return to the way it was. It was a disaster

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