Aer Lingus Fleet/ Routes Discussion Pt 2 (ALL possible routes included)

Tenger · 25-05-2020 8:07pm

HTCOne wrote: »

I think any EU citizen or person permitted to work in the EU is allowed on the eastbound flights.

I didn't think there were any restrictions going Eastbound.

EchoIndia · 25-05-2020 8:40pm

pm. wrote: »

Looking at flight radar it looks like the US has not been effected by covid. When do you think we will see passanger flights return to the US?

Huge numbers of airliners have been grounded in the USA and some will not fly again. This may give some idea. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTocssiYt3s

HTCOne · 25-05-2020 9:34pm

Tenger wrote: »

I didn't think there were any restrictions going Eastbound.

There was a 30 ban on non EU citizens or people eligible to work in EU but that was March/April so I'm probably totally out of date now

Tenger · 25-05-2020 10:15pm

HTCOne wrote: »

There was a 30 ban on non EU citizens or people eligible to work in EU but that was March/April so I'm probably totally out of date now

I obviously missed that. I thought it was just individual EU countries stopping non-citizens entering.

I know of an Irish family who had to travel to Germany for medical reasons in late March. They had to obtain specific permission from German border police by going through the embassy here in Dublin.

Mc Love · 26-05-2020 10:00am

cson wrote: »

Right now I believe the only people who can fly to the US from Ireland (and vice versa) would be (i) US (or Irish) National repatriating, (ii) Irish Green Card holders and (iii) Dual US/Irish passport holders.

The thing is if these flights are going ahead, the crew will have to stop over. Will they be made quarantine for 14 days when they come back from the US? Afaik the OH is down for the US towards the end of June.

Jamie2k9 · 26-05-2020 10:08am

Mc Love wrote: »

The thing is if these flights are going ahead, the crew will have to stop over. Will they be made quarantine for 14 days when they come back from the US? Afaik the OH is down for the US towards the end of June.

Exempt.

Tenger · 26-05-2020 10:08am

Mc Love wrote: »

The thing is if these flights are going ahead, the crew will have to stop over. Will they be made quarantine for 14 days when they come back from the US? Afaik the OH is down for the US towards the end of June.

As per guidelines from March, aircrew are exempt from isolation instructions.
Similar to medical and food sector workers they are deemed "essential"

Mc Love · 26-05-2020 10:22am

Yeah thought as much.

goingnowhere · 26-05-2020 10:25am

EI did not night stop in NYC until this week, this was a safety measure

Nightstopping in ORD/BOS continued

pm. · 26-05-2020 12:15pm

Mc Love wrote: »

The thing is if these flights are going ahead, the crew will have to stop over. Will they be made quarantine for 14 days when they come back from the US? Afaik the OH is down for the US towards the end of June.

Hi McLove

Is your wife traveling to a different US location other than the 3 that are already serviced? I am being selfish in my question as we are due to travel on 1st Aug to LAX

I think if they are flying and the 14 day quarantine is lifted we will go, I don't think we could afford to fly transatlantic when we loose competition from the industry over the next couple of years

Mc Love · 26-05-2020 12:49pm

pm. wrote: »

Hi McLove

Is your wife traveling to a different US location other than the 3 that are already serviced? I am being selfish in my question as we are due to travel on 1st Aug to LAX

I think if they are flying and the 14 day quarantine is lifted we will go, I don't think we could afford to fly transatlantic when we loose competition from the industry over the next couple of years

No mostly JFK/BOS and sometimes ORD. Funnily even she knows as much as some of the posters on here, often finds it annoying that I know more about the company she works for before she does

Tenger · 26-05-2020 9:22pm

Mc Love wrote: »

No mostly JFK/BOS and sometimes ORD. Funnily even she knows as much as some of the posters on here, often finds it annoying that I know more about the company she works for before she does

From my time as crew I can attest that it is quite a isolated part of the company. Crew check in, go off on their flight(s), walk to their car and go home. They only ever really talk to each other or the flight crew if on a TA duty.
Meanwhile the check in/boarding staff mingle with engineers, flights operations, dispatchers, station Mngr’s, baggage handlers and various other staff throughout the day. Information moves a lot quicker in such an environment.

(When I joined EI crew we didn’t even go into the terminal. We were in the old Tech Building and got airside via what is now the executive security point. I didn’t even know what shops were in the terminal for a couple of years!)

Jack1985 · 26-05-2020 9:45pm

Tenger wrote: »

From my time as crew I can attest that it is quite a isolated part of the company. Crew check in, go off on their flight(s), walk to their car and go home. They only ever really talk to each other or the flight crew if on a TA duty...Meanwhile the check in/boarding staff mingle with engineers, flights operations, dispatchers, station Mngr’s, baggage handlers and various other staff throughout the day. Information moves a lot quicker in such an environment.

Depends what fleet you were on, majority are very familiar with who they work with.

joeysoap · 26-05-2020 9:55pm

I though there was 2 complete crews on TA’s one manning each flight and while the other rests ( no other paying passenger in business class only crew?)

Jack1985 · 26-05-2020 10:01pm

joeysoap wrote: »

I though there was 2 complete crews on TA’s one manning each flight and while the other rests ( no other paying passenger in business class only crew?)

There was when crew were operating round-trips, overnights have now returned on JFK.

Van.Bosch · 26-05-2020 10:08pm

Out of curiosity what hotel wold crew stay in while over nightingale in JFK? Assume they would typically (pre Covid) stay in Manhattan?

Jack1985 · 26-05-2020 10:10pm

Van.Bosch wrote: »

Out of curiosity what hotel wold crew stay in while over nightingale in JFK? Assume they would typically (pre Covid) stay in Manhattan?

For security reasons, that information is not available for the general public.

Van.Bosch · 27-05-2020 12:35am

Jack1985 wrote: »

For security reasons, that information is not available for the general public.

Of course - makes sense, never thought of that.

I guess they use different hotels too so it doesn’t become known where they would be

Mc Love · 27-05-2020 10:19am

Jack1985 wrote: »

Depends what fleet you were on, majority are very familiar with who they work with.

Maybe in one of the smaller bases but not Dublin, you might not even know any of the crew you're working with but it is rare.

Tenger · 27-05-2020 11:18am

Mc Love wrote: »

Maybe in one of the smaller bases but not Dublin, you might not even know any of the crew you're working with but it is rare.

True enough. I was referring more to the transmissibility of rumours and/or info.
More senior crew will have built up friendships and relationships with non crew over their service.
I was making a point that 'relative' to other EI staff the cabin/flight crew are quite stand alone. Its the nature of their role.
It's not a criticism, just an informed observation.

Mc Love · 27-05-2020 11:37am

Didnt take as a critique at all. I totally agree it is very "lonely".

Jack1985 · 27-05-2020 5:38pm

Mc Love wrote: »

Maybe in one of the smaller bases but not Dublin, you might not even know any of the crew you're working with but it is rare.

As I pointed out it depends on the fleet you operated on, if your a new entrant in the last 5 years its a big base now.

If your ex-Commuter, Continental or the 757 as of late you are very familiar with your colleagues.

Tenger · 27-05-2020 5:44pm

Jack1985 wrote: »

..........If your ex-Commuter, Continental or the 757 as of late you are very familiar with your colleagues.

Oh the memories of being “CON-tinen-TAL!! (Needs a D4 accent)

Before my time however. The Cahill Plan of 1993-94 merged TA and Continental into a single fleet but with several “weighted categories”.

The B757 subfleet by all comments from my EI mates did seem to be a throwback to the Aer Lingus of the 1990s, where the flight and cabin crew were very well acquainted with each other.
Great sense of camaraderie. Socialising outside of work was very common.
Many of the ASL flight crew were actually ex EI pilots.

Jack1985 · 27-05-2020 5:46pm

Tenger wrote: »

Oh the memories of being “CON-tinen-TAL!! (Needs a D4 accent)

Before my time however. The Cahill Plan of 1993-94 merged TA and Continental into a single fleet but with several “weighted categories”.

They still will remind you they are from those fleets...

Tenger · 27-05-2020 5:55pm

Jack1985 wrote: »

They still will remind you they are from those fleets...

You can do the same in a decade or two, inform some whippersnapper that you remember the A330s. “What’s a 330?”

L1011 · 27-05-2020 6:39pm

With some of the last off the line I could see EI being the Air Transat of 330ceos tbh.

Its ideally suited for mission profiles in a way that nothing else on the market currently is; albeit something larger would be useful for the core three US routes when demand recovers.

Tenger · 27-05-2020 6:52pm

Just saw this pop up on my newsfeed:

Shannon crew “temporarily” laid off.
DUB and ORK crew down to 30% salary.
New working procedures.

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2020/0527/1142996-aer-lingus-jobs/

PukkaStukka · 27-05-2020 7:13pm

Tenger wrote: »

Just saw this pop up on my newsfeed:

Shannon crew “temporarily” laid off.
DUB and ORK crew down to 30% salary.
New working procedures.

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2020/0527/1142996-aer-lingus-jobs/

So much for the position being the status quo remained till June 21st

smurfjed · 27-05-2020 8:06pm

They are committed to the status quo until the 21st.

PukkaStukka · 27-05-2020 10:14pm

So the layoffs are from then and not immediately?

Tenger · 28-05-2020 12:22am

PukkaStukka wrote: »

So the layoffs are from then and not immediately?

Thats how it reads to me;
Aer Lingus has told its Shannon-based cabin crew that they are to be temporarily laid off, while those based in Dublin and Cork are to see rosters and pay reduced from 50% to 30% of normal.

In a video message to staff, Head of Inflight Services Mary Montgomery notes that the airline had already committed to pay and rosters being at 50% of normal salary until 21st June, despite the flight schedule being at just 5% of normal traffic.........

Status quo until 21st June

Bussywussy · 28-05-2020 9:13am

The latest escalations will railroad in terms and conditions without agreement under the guise of "do it for the company" or "you're lucky to have a job" mantra especially in Engineering and Cabin Crew, the ground handling,headsets etc will be outsourced...

Nibs05 · 28-05-2020 9:16am

Bussywussy wrote: »

The latest escalations will railroad in terms and conditions without agreement under the guise of "do it for the company" or "you're lucky to have a job" mantra especially in Engineering and Cabin Crew, the ground handling,headsets etc will be outsourced...

And how would you know about ground ops being outsourced, from what I’ve seen there is no mention of it.. in fact their work load is due to increase.

CBear1993 · 28-05-2020 9:53am

Am I right in saying Aer Lingus are lying to us customers?. They know fine rightly that large majority of June flights Will not operate.
They appear to be trying to hold out as long as possible before they cancel any flights so that people will apply for vouchers before then. Aer Lingus are circumventing EU regulations and refusing to engage in refunds.

Our accommodation provider wants full payment for our trip to Portugal on Friday 5th June next week. All that Aer Lingus keep saying to me on the phone and on twitter is that the flight will operate- yet it is clear to see that hundreds of other flights in June have been cancelled by them.

We’ve been saving for this for a long time and it’s for my dads milestone birthday, all 3 of us children and our other halves were to go.

Will we just cancel the villa at this stage with the villa owner and just wait for Aer lingus to cancel? To be honest not expecting them to do so until very near our flight on 20th June which will be too late if we pay all accommodation.

Jamie2k9 · 28-05-2020 9:58am

CBear1993 wrote: »

Am I right in saying Aer Lingus are lying to us customers?. They know fine rightly that large majority of June flights Will not operate.
They appear to be trying to hold out as long as possible before they cancel any flights so that people will apply for vouchers before then. Aer Lingus are circumventing EU regulations and refusing to engage in refunds.

Our accommodation provider wants full payment for our trip to Portugal on Friday 5th June next week. All that Aer Lingus keep saying to me on the phone and on twitter is that the flight will operate- yet it is clear to see that hundreds of other flights in June have been cancelled by them.

We’ve been saving for this for a long time and it’s for my dads milestone birthday, all 3 of us children and our other halves were to go.

Will we just cancel the villa at this stage with the villa owner and just wait for Aer lingus to cancel? To be honest not expecting them to do so until very near our flight on 20th June which will be too late if we pay all accommodation.

Is the flight currently bookable online?

CBear1993 · 28-05-2020 10:09am

Hi Jamie, no it’s not. Like a lot of them it’s showing up that it cannot be booked anymore for 20th June

Jamie2k9 · 28-05-2020 10:11am

CBear1993 wrote: »

Hi Jamie, no it’s not. Like a lot of them it’s showing up that it cannot be booked anymore for 20th June

Then its likely not going to operate.

CBear1993 · 28-05-2020 10:13am

That’s what I think as well but the remaining party of 7 want to hold out and take the chance. Think it’s best to just prepare not to go and notify the villa owner

EchoIndia · 28-05-2020 10:21am

Public health advice in Ireland remains to avoid all non-essential travel and there is a 14-day self-isolation period on return. How could anyone expect airlines to restart operations, especially to leisure destinations, in such circumstances?

Jamie2k9 · 28-05-2020 10:23am

CBear1993 wrote: »

That’s what I think as well but the remaining party of 7 want to hold out and take the chance. Think it’s best to just prepare not to go and notify the villa owner

Yeah if the flights are off sale unlikely to go ahead until after 1 July.

Mc Love · 28-05-2020 10:59am

Tenger wrote: »

Thats how it reads to me;
Aer Lingus has told its Shannon-based cabin crew that they are to be temporarily laid off, while those based in Dublin and Cork are to see rosters and pay reduced from 50% to 30% of normal.

In a video message to staff, Head of Inflight Services Mary Montgomery notes that the airline had already committed to pay and rosters being at 50% of normal salary until 21st June, despite the flight schedule being at just 5% of normal traffic.........

Status quo until 21st June

No message from the company or union on that highlighted bit above. Said they would be sending a mail to crew last Friday. It's now Thursday and nothing has arrived. It's a shambles of a company (not news to anyone that works in EI). Would you think they could have held off until staff were told first despite working in chinese whispers etc...

Tenger · 28-05-2020 11:24am

Mc Love wrote: »

No message from the company or union on that highlighted bit above. Said they would be sending a mail to crew last Friday. It's now Thursday and nothing has arrived. It's a shambles of a company (not news to anyone that works in EI). Would you think they could have held off until staff were told first despite working in chinese whispers etc...

A mate showed me the internal video she got yesterday. It stated that Shannon would be furloughed.

Shamrockj · 30-05-2020 1:47am

Minneapolis and Miami look like they are no longer able to be booked. Sad to see the level of growth and expansion the last few years being scaled back.

https://thriftytraveler.com/aer-lingus-cuts-new-flight-from-minneapolis-to-dublin/

kevinandrew · 01-06-2020 2:07pm

What routes are actually in operation with Aer Lingus at the moment?

I know of the following;

LHR
JFK
BOS
ORD
KIR
CFN

I hadn’t noticed until today that MAN and AMS are also still going.

They’ll have to start considering restarting some other key European cities or they may get left behind. Lufthansa is restating FRA shortly and Ryanair has maintained a SXF connection throughout.

Jack1985 · 01-06-2020 3:20pm

kevinandrew wrote: »

They’ll have to start considering restarting some other key European cities or they may get left behind. Lufthansa is restating FRA shortly and Ryanair has maintained a SXF connection throughout.

I'm not sure what you expect them to do, they have to abide by current Government restrictions in Ireland at the moment, and can't afford to squander cash burn flying empty aircraft on routes there is no demand for. They are only servicing air links that are carrying sufficient levels of cargo, including post and maintain 'vital' air links as well as the PSO's.

The others can maintain and restart routes all they want to Europe, but they won't generate the footfall they require to make any money until Government's relax travel restrictions particularly in Ireland.

Internationally

DUB-BOS/137
DUB-JFK/105
DUB-ORD/123

Freight charters DUB-PEK

For Europe its

DUB-AMS/602
DUB-LHR/154+166+174(returning)+178
DUB-MAN/202

BHD-LHR/930 + 934
ORK-LHR/722

Domestically by Stobart

DUB-CFN
DUB-KIR

joeysoap · 01-06-2020 10:31pm

kevinandrew wrote: »

What routes are actually in operation with Aer Lingus at the moment?

I know of the following;

LHR
JFK
BOS
ORD
KIR
CFN

I hadn’t noticed until today that MAN and AMS are also still going.

They’ll have to start considering restarting some other key European cities or they may get left behind. Lufthansa is restating FRA shortly and Ryanair has maintained a SXF connection throughout.

Lufthansa got a massive bail out. Can afford fly near empty.

Shamrockj · 01-06-2020 11:04pm

DUB- ACE, AGP, ALC, CDG, FAO, FCO and PMI are all due to start back up on the 1st of July . With AMS, LHR and MAN increased plus the stobart routes. All subject to change of course.

goingnowhere · 01-06-2020 11:12pm

The LH bailout goes a bit further, LH is now forced to take its order of Airbus aircraft, any normal airline would defer or cancel.

Airbus builds A32x and a major part of the A350 on site in Hamburg, so its also a way to subsidise Airbus and keep German's at work.

ratracer · 01-06-2020 11:26pm

Will there be any EI routes ex SNN at all this summer? It’s a balls for the company after some good new routes to be completely stripped back by an event completely out of their hands. Will they start by just trying to rebuild DUB routes to regain pax no’s and general travel confidence?

Pat Dunne · 01-06-2020 11:34pm

Shamrockj wrote: »

DUB- ACE, AGP, ALC, CDG, FAO, FCO and PMI are all due to start back up on the 1st of July . With AMS, LHR and MAN increased plus the stobart routes. All subject to change of course.

I’d hold fire on any of the Spanish destinations opening on July 1st for the moment. It would appear that Spain may well be going to draw up a list of approved countries similar to Greece, currently Ireland is not on the approved Greek list.

Aer Lingus Fleet/ Routes Discussion Pt 2 (ALL possible routes included)

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