George Floyd dies after police knelt on his neck (MOD NOTE IN POST #1)

mouldybiscuits · 01-06-2020 1:26pm

Nozebleed wrote: »

i agree..trump is an absolute simpleton. but this problem was here long before trump. personally for far too long the african american community have turned a blind eye to whats going on in african american society. and now you have these white liberals constantly pushing the false white supremacy/privilege aginst white society, the race agenda in america is constantly in the media. its false to suggest white supremacy is the root of all evil when it comes to black america...its simply not true.

The media in America are largely responsible for such racial division imo. The media in USA is just absolute political propaganda, they don't care about the people they just want to turn everyone against their poitical opponents and calling Trump racist is the angle they chose and it's created even more division in an already unstable population. I feel bad for the people who can see the media for what it is, surrounded by idiots so their voice can't be heard. There's no hope for that country anymore.

Overheal · 01-06-2020 1:32pm

bloodless_coup wrote: »

It's funny when you see the videos and it's 70% blacks doing the looting and beating and destruction yet there's a tendency to focus in on and blame white males.

How does that work?

70% is your expert professional math?

FVP3 · 01-06-2020 1:37pm

splinter65 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1267250164277764097?s=21

This guy is breaking up the pavement in the hope that peaceful marchers will start to throw pieces of concrete at the police and shop windows. Decent people hand him over to the police. This kind of thing gives me hope.

I would not be surprised to find some agent provocateurs in there.

Overheal · 01-06-2020 1:39pm

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Complaints are normal for cops. They are meaningless IMHO. If he had any kind of criminal past or accusations of same it would be much more indicative of his character

But every scrap of information on a negro to call him a thug right?

Vile.

salmocab · 01-06-2020 1:39pm

walshb wrote: »

We can speculate here, but it wont be until it gets to court that every nook and cranny will be thrashed out

And sadly, as is well known, time passes, and people 'forget.' It's not as raw in their minds. All this helps Chauvin's case.

Yeah the not fresh in people’s minds really played out like this when the police were acquitted of beating Rodney King. The people of LA had forgotten alright.

Beasty · 01-06-2020 1:46pm

bloodless_coup wrote: »

Are we going to have to suffer Guy:Incognito quoting several of his own posts every second page?

You can stop, your posts are not that interesting.

Lundstram wrote: »

Report it. Five times he's done that now.

Quoting his own posts and dumping random Twitter posts with no explanation is killing this thread.

You are both guilty of backseat modding. Do it again and you can expect cards and a threadban

walshb · 01-06-2020 1:46pm

salmocab wrote: »

Yeah the not fresh in people’s minds really played out like this when the police were acquitted of beating Rodney King. The people of LA had forgotten alright.

I know

I was more speaking about the actual trial and possible verdicts...

Time passing could possibly see a desensitized type jury feeling...It may help Chauvin

delboythedub · 01-06-2020 1:48pm

In My opinion after watching this video George Floyd was dead even before the ambulance arrived and those cops knew that if the spectators knew this there might be trouble so therefore kept his knee on the corpse . The video appears to shows the ambulance man asking that cop to get out of the way in order to put the body on stretcher. Any first aid person will know that this is not the correct way to correctly use a stretcher . The ambulance crew did report that there was no Pulse on George at any stage while he was in the ambulance. That cop and the victim did work together as security in a nightclub .May he rest in peace

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgZncve_fDQ&bpctr=1591015892

James Brown · 01-06-2020 1:56pm

Trump and his man Barr meeting today to discuss the riots. They've both already been blaming democrat governors and anti fascists so it will be interesting to see where Trump takes it.
We saw how much kick back their was on folk kneeling during the anthem.

MeMen2_MoRi_ · 01-06-2020 2:00pm

walshb wrote: »

I know

I was more speaking about the actual trial and possible verdicts...

Time passing could possibly see a desensitized type jury feeling...It may help Chauvin

A lot of video evidence to back up the prosecutions case.. where as the defence can only create a story, I believe all 4 have pleaded the 5th so they don't incriminate themselves.

I was reading a case yesterday of a car chase that resulted in the death of a suspect, all cops pleaded the 5th even when they weren't directly involved in the death. These instances are scummy, basically protecting their boys in uniform from having any bad evidence against them.

Cops have their 1st amendment of free speech removed from them when they wear the uniform yet can have the 5th even when not directly involved. Cops are there to bare witness to events and report them.

Itssoeasy · 01-06-2020 2:00pm

Just an observation from watching American news over the weekend and even the ones I listen to regularly have to cop on a small bit. Yes, the images from the past week are frightening and disturbing, but the problem is if you call everything frightening and disturbing then the moments that warrant that discription don't feel that way because it's just another video or report.

And unlike what was suggested on CNN over the weekend, the last people who should be commenting on this issue is Hollywood because while I appreciate the talent of those people, they are so far removed from the issues as anyone. Ricky gervais was right. The things they say while probably well meaning they ring hollow.

Stateofyou · 01-06-2020 2:06pm

Nozebleed wrote: »

yeh. im aware of that. and both are equally as ridiculous. so called white privilege doesnt exist for 99% of white folk. its money that brings much of this privilege..no'one in america rioting these last few days can say theyre not privileged. these people come from the richest country in the world..have everything provided to them on a plate and still..they act out like this.

there's a lot of videos of black on white racism..shop keepers and the like being assaulted. i think its time the african american community leaders come out and acknowledge it. call an end to it.

This is another one of the most inaccurate posts on this thread. It exposes your lack of understanding of what white privilege refers to. Here's a clue: money has absolutely nothing to do with it. It's painful reading the wilful ignorance when there are opportunities to educate yourself easily at the tips of your fingers as well as having been explained here already. Posts like this are irresponsible, spreading misinformation which further damages society when we need to be responsibly and appropriately informing ourselves and each other with FACTS. This site needs a live fact checker... absolutely SHAMEFUL.

Carfacemandog · 01-06-2020 2:08pm

Shing example of the two tier policing system in the US coming from Huntington Beach.

Anti lockdown protest - police focus on NOT making arrests, get in physical altercations with heavily armed protestors but look to calm the situation and allow the protest to carry on. This link has a video embedded of scenes from this protest - https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8279447/Thousands-anti-lockdown-protesters-ignore-social-distancing-swarm-Huntington-Beach.html

Floyd George protest - police shut it down, call it an unlawful assembly of people, do not initially respond to request for comment, and when they do make vague references to violence but never seem to have explicitly said there was any occurring at this specific protest. Here is a video from said protest - https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lgywi_HSryk

Overheal · 01-06-2020 2:09pm

Carfacemandog wrote: »

Shing example of the two tier policing system in the US coming from Huntington Beach.

Anti lockdown protest - police focus on NOT making arrests, get in physical altercations with heavily armed protestors but look to calm the situation and allow the protest to carry on. This link has a video embedded of scenes from this protest - https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8279447/Thousands-anti-lockdown-protesters-ignore-social-distancing-swarm-Huntington-Beach.html

Floyd George protest - police shut it down, call it an unlawful assembly of people, do not initially respond to request for comment, and when they do make vague references to violence but never seem to have explicitly said there was any occurring at this specific protest. Here is a video from said protest - https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lgywi_HSryk

Exactly.

Stateofyou · 01-06-2020 2:10pm

Nozebleed wrote: »

you say that...but its not trump supporters or the so called alt right smashing up the cities across america....its the left leaning types and thugs. all of whom are living in the richest society in the western world. but all seem to think they are victims of something or another.

i laugh when i hear white supremecy being touted in the media..its complete nonsense. white supremacy/white privilege is not the problem in african american society.

And this one. When the opposite is actually true. I really hope people reading here decide to do their own independent research and do not rely on anything you read here because that post above is categorically and easily proven to be false. This poster has a clearly biased and racist leaning agenda, ignoring the real impacts of white privilege, white supremacy, and systemic racism in US/Euro-colonial society. I will even say don't take my word for it. Please, do your research and take time to understand what's at play here and how we can all help to combat what is happening there and all over the world.

Nozebleed · 01-06-2020 2:16pm

Stateofyou wrote: »

This is another one of the most inaccurate posts on this thread. It exposes your lack of understanding of what white privilege refers to. Here's a clue: money has absolutely nothing to do with it. It's painful reading the wilful ignorance when there are opportunities to educate yourself easily at the tips of your fingers as well as having been explained here already. Posts like this are irresponsible, spreading misinformation which further damages society when we need to be responsibly and appropriately informing ourselves and each other with FACTS. This site needs a live fact checker... absolutely SHAMEFUL.

let me guess...you want to be the fact checker. :rolleyes:

white supramacy = nonsense
white privilege = nonsense............neither exist in society

...what does exist. people with an inferiority complex.

FatherTed · 01-06-2020 2:18pm

markodaly wrote: »

Cute and all, but 'who' exactly is saying that marching on the street is not the right way to protest?

Trevor Noah is a tool though, and an American supremacist at that.

Exactly how is Trevor Noah a "tool" and more importantly explain how he is an "American supremacist"?

Overheal · 01-06-2020 2:20pm

FatherTed wrote: »

Exactly how is Trevor Noah a "tool" and more importantly explain how he is an "American supremacist"?

That post baffled me so much I just backed away slowly.

Stateofyou · 01-06-2020 2:21pm

Nozebleed wrote: »

let me guess...you want to be the fact checker. :rolleyes:

white supramacy = nonsense
white privilege = nonsense............neither exist in society

...what does exist. people with an inferiority complex.

I literally said in my last post, "and don't take my word for it." I know you can read so try do better next time. We are all our own fact checkers. I am comfortable with that because I'm secure in the knowledge that once people reading look into this themselves, they will know that you are spreading false information. Shame on you, because real lives are being damaged by white privilege and white supremacy, though clearly it doesn't affect you so you don't care.

Folks- that quote I bolded above is SHAMEFUL and totally FALSE. Please do your own research if you have any doubts about this issue and what those terms actually refer to, and how they impact people of colour in the US.

Nozebleed · 01-06-2020 2:28pm

Stateofyou wrote: »

I literally said in my last post, "and don't take my word for it." I know you can read so try do better next time. We are all our own fact checkers. I am comfortable with that because I'm secure in the knowledge that once people reading look into this themselves, they will know that you are spreading false information. Shame on you, because real lives are being damaged by white privilege and white supremacy, though clearly it doesn't affect you so you don't care.

Folks- that quote I bolded above is SHAMEFUL and totally FALSE. Please do your own research if you have any doubts about this issue and what those terms actually refer to, and how they impact people of colour in the US.

you direct all these irrational accusations toward me..claims of racism and privilege and yet you dont know whether im white or black. ive nothing to be ashamed about. you might given you're emotional state.

people dont need you or anyone else dictating how to feel about themselves..

FVP3 · 01-06-2020 2:28pm

Stateofyou wrote: »

And this one. When the opposite is actually true. I really hope people reading here decide to do their own independent research and do not rely on anything you read here because that post above is categorically and easily proven to be false. This poster has a clearly biased and racist leaning agenda, ignoring the real impacts of white privilege, white supremacy, and systemic racism in US/Euro-colonial society. I will even say don't take my word for it. Please, do your research and take time to understand what's at play here and how we can all help to combat what is happening there and all over the world.

This statement is in fact a form of American Supremacism in itself. European countries are not involved in some kind of colonial enterprise these days, unless dragged along by the US empire as vassal states. In fact most were never colonial to begin with. Many, not just us but most of the Eastern Europeans, were colonised or part of an empire.

The US empire is the one killing millions in the middle east, and destabilising Europe to boot, and all of its population is responsible for that. Black, white, pink, brown. The Serbs, Scots, Irish and Hungarians - not so much. Not at all.

In fact this whole thread is testmount to American Supremacism itself, a police killing in Brazil wouldn't get a mention here.

Stateofyou · 01-06-2020 2:31pm

Nozebleed wrote: »

you direct all these irrational accusations toward me..claims of racism and privilege and yet you dont know whether im white or black. ive nothing to be ashamed about. you might given you're emotional state.

people dont need you or anyone else dictating how to feel about themselves..

No, they are not irrational just because you don't have a rational response to your fake and false information. If you were a person of colour, you would be living with the impacts of white privilege and white supremacy and oppression DAILY so that's how I know you don't know anything about it - as you clearly showed yourself up here.

State of you is disgraceful. What people don't need is your SHAMEFUL and fake news. I'll pull you up every time. Get used to it.

Stateofyou · 01-06-2020 2:33pm

FVP3 wrote: »

This statement is in fact a form of American Supremacism in itself. European countries are not involved in some kind of colonial enterprise these days, unless dragged along by the US empire as vassal states. In fact most were never colonial to begin with. Many, not just us but most of the Eastern Europeans, were colonised or part of an empire.

The US empire is the one killing millions in the middle east, and destabilising Europe to boot, and all of its population is responsible for that. Black, white, pink, brown. The Serbs, Scots, Irish and Hungarians - not so much. Not at all.

In fact this whole thread is testmount to American Supremacism itself, a police killing in Brazil wouldn't get a mention here.

Ha look! The poster of this and the people who liked it are all the same ones posting racist and biased and inflammatory comments here on this thread, shocker!!

American supremacy isn't a real thing, lololololol. Look at this absolute garbage, making up terms to suit your agenda and then trying to gaslight in order to draw attention away from the real issues, the false information being spread here, and accountability for that. More whataboutism too to round it out. Pathetic show here. So obviously desperate to change the subject because you haven't got a leg to stand on. Take note of those usernames especially and where you see their posts on this thread, I would encourage people to do their own research. Absolutely disgraceful.

Overheal · 01-06-2020 2:34pm

FVP3 wrote: »

This statement is in fact a form of American Supremacism in itself. European countries are not involved in some kind of colonial enterprise these days, unless dragged along by the US empire as vassal states. In fact most were never colonial to begin with. Many, not just us but most of the Eastern Europeans, were colonised or part of an empire.

The US empire is the one killing millions in the middle east, and destabilising Europe to boot, and all of its population is responsible for that. Black, white, pink, brown. The Serbs, Scots, Irish and Hungarians - not so much. Not at all.

In fact this whole thread is testmount to American Supremacism itself, a police killing in Brazil wouldn't get a mention here.

Many Brazilians on Boards? Many people on boards who have traveled to Brazil, live in Brazil, work in Brazil, study in Brazil or have family who do the same?

Because, we can say a lot of that of posters and the United States. As well as Australia, China and Hong Kong, and lots of other places.

This thread is the first time I recall hearing the phrase American Supremacy before.

Nozebleed · 01-06-2020 2:36pm

Stateofyou wrote: »

No, they are not irrational just because you don't have a rational response to your fake and false information. If you were a person of colour, you would be living with the impacts of white privilege and white supremacy and oppression DAILY so that's how I know you don't know anything about it - as you clearly showed yourself up here.

State of you is disgraceful. What people don't need is your SHAMEFUL and fake news. I'll pull you up every time. Get used to it.

as a result of this heatwave were having..i now identify as a person of colour.

but im normally a regular magnolia. not a racist magnolia..just regular.

Odhinn · 01-06-2020 2:37pm

Nozebleed wrote: »

y........

i laugh when i hear white supremecy being touted in the media..its complete nonsense. white supremacy/white privilege is not the problem in african american society.

What is the problem then?

FVP3 · 01-06-2020 2:37pm

Overheal wrote: »

Many Brazilians on Boards? Many people on boards who have traveled to Brazil, live in Brazil, work in Brazil, study in Brazil or have family who do the same?

Irish people arent in fact all that related to people in the US these days. It's American hegemony that makes internal US news so dominant. Less so news about the rest of the Americas. There are Irish people in Brazil of course. I lived in Mexico for a while.

Because, we can say a lot of that of posters and the United States. As well as Australia, China and Hong Kong, and lots of other places.

And a lot aren't. To those of you in the US, start protesting US actions externally as well as internally.

This thread is the first time I recall hearing the phrase American Supremacy before.

Which is fcuking appalling. It means the US is so dominant it appears, not only to its own insular population that its the only country in the world, but also to outsiders.

Carfacemandog · 01-06-2020 2:42pm

FatherTed wrote: »

Exactly how is Trevor Noah a "tool" and more importantly explain how he is an "American supremacist"?

To be honest, when I see a post like that it's just kind of obvious that the truth upset the poster a little and they didn't know how to handle it.

And I say that as someone who doesn't really like Trevor Noah much - they should have just ended the Daily Show after Jon Stewart left (or replaced him with John Oliver).

FatherTed · 01-06-2020 2:45pm

Nozebleed wrote: »

yeh. im aware of that. and both are equally as ridiculous. so called white privilege doesnt exist for 99% of white folk. its money that brings much of this privilege..no'one in america rioting these last few days can say theyre not privileged. these people come from the richest country in the world..have everything provided to them on a plate and still..they act out like this.

there's a lot of videos of black on white racism..shop keepers and the like being assaulted. i think its time the african american community leaders come out and acknowledge it. call an end to it.

I live in a very diverse city in the US where people of all races support each other and get along quite well. And yes white privilege is a real thing and I've seen it. I've seen it at work, how my kids' black friends are treated at school and even neighbors having assumptions when they see some black kids riding bikes in my area.

Either you are trolling, have your head in the sand or you quietly condone what happens. Either way you are just plain wrong about this.

Stateofyou · 01-06-2020 2:45pm

FVP3 wrote: »

It means the US is so dominant it appears, not only to its own insular population that its the only country in the world, but also to outsiders.

The only thing this made up term proves and the context of using it by attempting to gaslight and throw attention off the real issues and false information being spread here- is that the hatred and xenophobia towards the US is still alive and well in some.

FVP3 · 01-06-2020 2:45pm

Stateofyou wrote: »

Ha look! The poster of this and the people who liked it are all the same ones posting racist and biased and inflammatory comments here on this thread, shocker!!

So what. I wasn't

American supremacy isn't a real thing, lololololol. Look at this absolute garbage, making up terms to suit your agenda and then trying to gaslight in order to draw attention away from the real issues, the false information being spread here, and accountability for that. More whataboutism too to round it out. Pathetic show here. So obviously desperate to change the subject because you haven't got a leg to stand on. Take note of those usernames especially and where you see their posts on this thread, I would encourage people to do their own research. Absolutely disgraceful.

Are you sure you are not a troll? I knew Irish people were mind colonised by the US Empire but this is incredible.

Of course America is the dominant empire in the world. It is engaged in 7 wars across the world right now, it dominates the media, it dominates the world economy for now. Although thankfully China is catching up.

A list of invasions by the US:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Invasions_by_the_United_States

In the last few decades it has totally destroyed the middle east and destabilised Europe to boot, it whines about Russian interference while trying to overthrow Venezuela. Is sides with the Saudis in starving Yemeni children. It overthrows successful States like Libya, leaving behind slave states. These things disappear from its media once the carnage is complete.

Then it lectures the rest of the world about privilege.

FVP3 · 01-06-2020 2:48pm

Stateofyou wrote: »

The only thing this made up term proves and the context of using it by attempting to gaslight and throw attention off the real issues and false information being spread here- is that the hatred and xenophobia towards the US is still alive and well in some.

All moral people would hate the US. It's interesting that, like a lot of people colonised by US thought, you can't see it. And while severely critical of the US as a racist state, when the actions of the US go outside the US you have nothing to say.

Stateofyou · 01-06-2020 2:50pm

FVP3 wrote: »

So what. I wasn't

Are you sure you are not a troll? I knew Irish people were mind colonised by the US Empire but this is incredible.

Of course America is the dominant empire in the world. It is engaged in 7 wars across the world right now, it dominates the media, it dominates the world economy for now. Although thankfully China is catching up.

A list of invasions by the US:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Invasions_by_the_United_States

In the last few decades it has totally destroyed the middle east and destabilised Europe to boot, it whines about Russian interference while trying to overthrow Venezuela. Is sides with the Saudis in starving Yemeni children. It overthrows successful States like Libya, leaving behind slave states. These things disappear from its media once the carnage is complete.

Then it lectures the rest of the world about privilege.

Stop your whataboutism already. You need to remind yourself what the topic of this thread is. You're free to start a different one and use the made up term of American supremacy there to your hearts content. I can see that will make you feel a lot better, and it's much easier to focus on than the real issues being discussed here.

degsie · 01-06-2020 2:51pm

I think this might be the undoing of America as a leading political influencer. Racial discrimination is a cancer that will some day ruin it's host. I feel sorry for those just trying to make an honest living, but arming the police to military levels would always lead to conflict.

Stateofyou · 01-06-2020 2:56pm

FVP3 wrote: »

All moral people would hate the US. It's interesting that, like a lot of people colonised by US thought, you can't see it. And while severely critical of the US as a racist state, when the actions of the US go outside the US you have nothing to say.

You don't come across prejudiced at all. Go ahead, paint an entire country of 330 million people by one brush and promote hatred. Are we really here again? It's tiresome. I can see the US for what it is and isn't just fine, and I have critical opinions of it OBVIOUSLY and as we are currently discussing here. You're digging the hole of whataboutism so deep you'll never climb out at this stage. Remember George Floyd? Yeah, that's what this thread is about, and the issues surrounding and contributing to that. You want to talk about the actions of the US outside the US in this thread because outrageous things have been said that are false that cannot stand up to any light so here we are. Desperately grabbing and pulling in other, separate issues so the falsehoods here don't have to be faced or accountable to. This is disgraceful behaviour.

Cheerful Spring2 · 01-06-2020 2:58pm

FVP3 wrote: »

So what. I wasn't

Are you sure you are not a troll? I knew Irish people were mind colonised by the US Empire but this is incredible.

Of course America is the dominant empire in the world. It is engaged in 7 wars across the world right now, it dominates the media, it dominates the world economy for now. Although thankfully China is catching up.

A list of invasions by the US:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Invasions_by_the_United_States

In the last few decades it has totally destroyed the middle east and destabilised Europe to boot, it whines about Russian interference while trying to overthrow Venezuela. Is sides with the Saudis in starving Yemeni children. It overthrows successful States like Libya, leaving behind slave states. These things disappear from its media once the carnage is complete.

Then it lectures the rest of the world about privilege.

The last thing you want is China taking over from America. America not all bad. There is plenty of wonderful things America given to the world. Some in the power structure correct used the strength of the US military to engage in rogue actions around the world.
United States just needs to get rid of the rot and the rotten apples in society and take money out of politics and clean up its act around racial affairs. The US politicians will have to come on board with the fresh changes and stop being influenced by Super PACs and wealthy donors who don’t care about the poor and middle class in society.

FVP3 · 01-06-2020 3:01pm

Stateofyou wrote: »

Stop your whataboutism already.

It's perfectly legitimate criticism of people like you who clearly justify US supremacism.

You need to remind yourself what the topic of this thread is. You're free to start a different one and use the made up term of American supremacy there to your hearts content. I can see that will make you feel a lot better, and it's much easier to focus on than the real issues being discussed here.

The fact that US universities ( who clearly tell you what to think) don't use the term American Supremacy it itself telling. Apparently there is a "white supremacy", which is a worldwide thing, but is not part of American Supremacy which doesn't exist. Which leaves the world controlled by the Scots, Irish, Polish, Serbs and Russians etc. This isn't actually how the world actually works. None of these countries are world dominant.

The "real issues" being discussed here are irrelevant to my life. The US raping and killing its way across the middle east is relevant. Its badgering of China in the South China sea is relevant.

Clearly, to you, the citizens of the Empire are vastly more important than the outsiders the Empire kills. You seem to be angered to the point of insanity by the admittedly thuggish response of the militarised US state, a pox on it, but when confronted by the mass killings of the Empire outside its borders you throw a hissy fit and whine about xenophobia. This is more fashion than morality.

FVP3 · 01-06-2020 3:02pm

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

The last thing you want is China taking over from America. America not all bad. There is plenty of wonderful things America given to the world. Some in the power structure correct used the strength of the US military to engage in rogue actions around the world.
United States just needs to get rid of the rot and the rotten apples in society and take money out of politics and clean up its act around racial affairs. The US politicians will have to come on board with the fresh changes and stop being influenced by Super PACs and wealthy donors who don’t care about the poor and middle class in society.

The US isn't a perfectable state that has suddenly gone bad, its rotten to its core since its inception. And I have no idea what China would be like but have no reason to assume they would be anyway worse, hard to see how.

Timberrrrrrrr · 01-06-2020 3:02pm

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

The last thing you want is China taking over from America. America not all bad. There is plenty of wonderful things America given to the world. Some in the power structure correct used the strength of the US military to engage in rogue actions around the world.
United States just needs to get rid of the rot and the rotten apples in society and take money out of politics and clean up its act around racial affairs. The US politicians will have to come on board with the fresh changes and stop being influenced by Super PACs and wealthy donors who don’t care about the poor and middle class in society.

America is the rogue state, they are the ones engaging in rogue actions around the world.

2u2me · 01-06-2020 3:03pm

FatherTed wrote: »

I live in a very diverse city in the US where people of all races support each other and get along quite well. And yes white privilege is a real thing and I've seen it. I've seen it at work, how my kids' black friends are treated at school and even neighbors having assumptions when they see some black kids riding bikes in my area.

What assumptions do they have? Would some people in black neighbourhoods have assumptions about white kids going in riding bikes in their neighbourhood alas?

I just fear we focus too much on privilege, when we have already tried to address this for decades. There are now systems in place that actually boost up black people (quotas) this certainly is a privilege.

I fear we are all avoiding the elephant in the room though a much bigger contributing factor to what we are seeing. I don't think anyone is in disagreement that the reasons are socio-economic for the differences, but why?

My theory is that America is still essentially segregated. This time not by the white people but by black culture.

In the United States, acting white is a pejorative term, usually applied to black people, which refers to a person's perceived betrayal of their culture by assuming the social expectations of white society.

This is the thing, there is no white society; there is only society. America was built on the ideals of multiculturalism and compromise. This requires people who come there to fit in to some extent.

When you have one culture that is being shunned and ostracized for any attempt to 'fit-in' to society you surely will have problems like we are seeing today.
There is black music and white music (and maybe country).
Black people are told to stay in their lane, to conform to black culture, or risk being called smeared as white.
"You're not black if you don't vote democrat"-Joe Biden

Look at the abuse Candace Owens receives.

Odhinn · 01-06-2020 3:12pm

2u2me wrote: »

What assumptions do they have? Would some people in black neighbourhoods have assumptions about white kids going in riding bikes in their neighbourhood alas?

I just fear we focus too much on privilege, when we have already tried to address this for decades. There are now systems in place that actually boost up black people (quotas) this certainly is a privilege.

I fear we are all avoiding the elephant in the room though a much bigger contributing factor to what we are seeing. I don't think anyone is in disagreement that the reasons are socio-economic for the differences, but why?

My theory is that America is still essentially segregated. This time not by the white people but by black culture.

This is the thing, there is no white society; there is only society. America was built on the ideals of multiculturalism and compromise. This requires people who come there to fit in to some extent.

When you have one culture that is being shunned and ostracized for any attempt to 'fit-in' to society you surely will have problems like we are seeing today.
There is black music and white music (and maybe country).
Black people are told to stay in their lane, to conform to black culture, or risk being called smeared as white.
"You're not black if you don't vote democrat"-Joe Biden

Look at the abuse Candace Owens receives.

......civil war, jim crow laws, segregation. America wasn't always multi-cultural.

Timberrrrrrrr · 01-06-2020 3:15pm

Odhinn wrote: »

......civil war, jim crow laws, segregation. America wasn't always multi-cultural.

The Native Americans would agree with you too.

Carfacemandog · 01-06-2020 3:15pm

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

The last thing you want is China taking over from America. America not all bad.

In general and as things stand right now, I agree. The big problems however are that a) with Trump in charge, the US has been closing that gap at a very worrying rate, and b) with Trump in charge, China overtaking the US as world leader is inevitable, and on the brink of happening already thanks in major part to the worst 3.5 years the US presidency has ever seen.

I don't see the US having a fair and open election in November if Trump's dip in popularity and sliding odds continues, and if this descent were to continue for another 4 years, it is very possible that the US will truly be no better than China is now, and possibly even worse.

froog · 01-06-2020 3:15pm

there's a right way to deal with the protests - plenty of footage around of police forces kneeling with protesters and even joining marches. talking to them. obviously the bad eggs taking advantage of the whole thing to loot and destroy should be dealt with lawfully. this is about a complete break down in trust between the people and the government/police. this is not the time for brute force authoritarianism that trump and his fox friends seem to be salivating for. unless they want an actual civil war, which is not beyond the realm of possibility in all honesty.

Carfacemandog · 01-06-2020 3:17pm

2u2me wrote: »

Very poor comparison when you look at the rest of the family being very much what you are considering 'white' but painted in a positive light, especially Uncle Phil.

Overheal · 01-06-2020 3:20pm

Carfacemandog wrote: »

Very poor comparison when you look at the rest of the family being very much what you are considering 'white' but painted in a positive light, especially Uncle Phil.

Who was a Judge.

And the show still tackled racism head on.

2u2me · 01-06-2020 3:24pm

Odhinn wrote: »

......civil war, jim crow laws, segregation. America wasn't always multi-cultural.

Those Jim Crowe laws were eventually defeated. I don't see a solution to what we're seeing today unless 'black culture' stops shunning black people for going outside their lane.

Look at this article by the Guardian. The word white is used 4 time as a pejorative against Kanye West.

BorneTobyWilde · 01-06-2020 3:24pm

Minding your own business while black, how dare he, get em!

https://twitter.com/NicsMonique/status/1267389808869019649

Overheal · 01-06-2020 3:25pm

2u2me wrote: »

Those Jim Crowe laws were eventually defeated. I don't see a solution to what we're seeing today unless 'black culture' stops shunning black people for going outside their lane.

Look at this article by the Guardian. The word white is used 4 time as a pejorative against Kanye West.

So that’s the problem: the blacks calling out the “uncle toms,” not the rich and bloodied history of lynching and persecution...

BorneTobyWilde · 01-06-2020 3:26pm

New 100m record
cool

https://twitter.com/NicsMonique/status/1267455053717274624

George Floyd dies after police knelt on his neck (MOD NOTE IN POST #1)

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