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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,928 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    Lot of houses at those rents are what's known as SI houses, tenant provided the site

    Yes, but the councils bought the sites for a nominal fee.
    Very few of those houses would have cost anything in the region of what we are talking today to provide.
    Govt policies haven't helped out much, in fact put pressure on themselves.
    If you have an adult living with his or her parents their welfare entitlements are means tested, they probably won't get the full payment, then if they decide to move out to an apt or small house say, they will get their rent subsidised and their full entitlements.
    Who thinks these things out?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    I think FF/FG/GP and the public would benefit from a removal of the current leadership. There's too much of a whiff of ego from MM/LV/ER. We need politicians not cartoon characters.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 945 ✭✭✭Colonel Claptrap


    Bowie wrote: »
    I think FF/FG/GP and the public would benefit from a removal of the current leadership. There's too much of a whiff of ego from MM/LV/ER. We need politicians not cartoon characters.

    Damn those elites in leadership positions.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Damn those elites in leadership positions.

    Is that your view of MM? Odd.
    If we've to have another round of FG I'd rather it was with Coveney. Our politics may differ in some areas but he's more believable as a person.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 873 ✭✭✭StackSteevens


    efanton wrote: »

    Hopefully!

    As I see it, if the Greens get their way, then the members of FG (almost certainly) and of FF (quite possibly) are likely to vote against the agreed programme.

    And if the Greens don't get their way, then their loonie left members are absolutely guaranteed to vote against it.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 873 ✭✭✭StackSteevens


    Bowie wrote: »
    I think FF/FG/GP and the public would benefit from a removal of the current leadership. There's too much of a whiff of ego from MM/LV/ER. We need politicians not cartoon characters.

    And surely it's time for the Soc Dems to choose a leader too? I know that the two biddies like sharing the Leader's allowance, but it's time that they grew up.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    And surely it's time for the Soc Dems to choose a leader too? I know that the two biddies like sharing the Leader's allowance, but it's time that they grew up.

    Why are they 'two biddies'? What about them do you think is damaging to the SD's and who do you think would be better in their stead?


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,928 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    efanton wrote: »
    So why havent the governments over the last 20 years adjusted the rents?

    I don't know? That's a question for the Govt in charge surely, not me.
    There is little doubt of the concern over the housing issue though, even FG TD's are accepting that.
    https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/fine-gael-td-disappointed-at-governments-housing-failures-1002864.html


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,928 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    Bowie wrote: »
    I think FF/FG/GP and the public would benefit from a removal of the current leadership. There's too much of a whiff of ego from MM/LV/ER. We need politicians not cartoon characters.

    Not disagreeing with your point, but funny the three you picked and your reference to them as cartoon characters.
    I look at another party with an unmentioned leader and for some reason after reading your post Betty boop popped into my head, not sure why, not really a fair comparison, but she appeared in my subliminal window.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,719 ✭✭✭dundalkfc10


    How's the keep Sinn Fein out of government at all costs going?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,928 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    How's the keep Sinn Fein out of government at all costs going?

    Good.
    How's the Sinn Fein must be in Govt campaign going?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,719 ✭✭✭dundalkfc10


    Good.
    How's the Sinn Fein must be in Govt campaign going?

    Going just as good as the FFG campaign to try get anybody into bed with them, even the Greens are taking the piss outta you.

    Wonder when MM will say **** it and decide SF be handy to be have after all, poor Leo won't know what to do


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,928 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    Going just as good as the FFG campaign to try get anybody into bed with them, even the Greens are taking the piss outta you.

    Lol, outta me?
    We are all being taken for a ride, I know it.
    You on the other hand are too, difference is you think it's only me or everyone else who isn't you, in the plural.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,731 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    Going just as good as the FFG campaign to try get anybody into bed with them, even the Greens are taking the piss outta you.

    Wonder when MM will say **** it and decide SF be handy to be have after all, poor Leo won't know what to do

    Get ready for another spell on the sidelines, my friend.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,719 ✭✭✭dundalkfc10


    Get ready for another spell on the sidelines, my friend.

    Havnt had a spell on the sidelines yet, so what are you making up lies about?

    Its getting too ya isnt it. The Govt talks you thought were in the bag a few weeks ago are falling apart :D


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,719 ✭✭✭dundalkfc10


    Lol, outta me?
    We are all being taken for a ride, I know it.
    You on the other hand are too, difference is you think it's only me or everyone else who isn't you, in the plural.

    No im with over 50% of the electorate who voted change. Plural or no plural


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,928 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    No im with over 50% of the electorate who voted change. Plural or no plural

    So why aren't we getting it?
    I'd suggest it's because you're with the 25% who think that's over 50%?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,719 ✭✭✭dundalkfc10


    So why aren't we getting it?
    I'd suggest it's because you're with the 25% who think that's over 50%?

    Il make it simple for you.

    The last Govt was FG and a few indepenents. What % of the vote did they receive?

    What % of the vote did FF, SF, Greens etc receive?

    More people voted against the current Govt than for them.

    Its a fact, you cannot say its not


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 873 ✭✭✭StackSteevens


    Bowie wrote: »
    Why are they 'two biddies'? What about them do you think is damaging to the SD's and who do you think would be better in their stead?

    Sorry pet, but my Boards.ie contract doesn't require me to do your thinking for you.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 873 ✭✭✭StackSteevens


    Going just as good as the FFG campaign to try get anybody into bed with them, even the Greens are taking the piss outta you.

    Wonder when MM will say **** it and decide SF be handy to be have after all, poor Leo won't know what to do

    "Poor Leo" will know exactly what to do:- go into opposition!

    Which, I suspect, is exactly what a significant majority of the 20% of the electorate that voted for FG want the party to do.

    I'm really looking forward to seeing the FG members' response to the dogs' dinner document that they'll shortly be invited to vote on; always assuming that the Greens' uncritical love for the intifada doesn't bring an early end to the talks.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,928 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    Il make it simple for you.

    The last Govt was FG and a few indepenents. What % of the vote did they receive?

    What % of the vote did FF, SF, Greens etc receive?

    More people voted against the current Govt than for them.

    Its a fact, you cannot say its not

    The last Govt was a minority Govt anyway, didn't have 50% support, go figure!


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,719 ✭✭✭dundalkfc10


    The last Govt was a minority Govt anyway, didn't have 50% support, go figure!

    So more people voted against the Govt than did for it.

    More people voted for FF and SF than FG. This is a fact, no matter what you say its a fact!

    The people want change.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,928 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    So more people voted against the Govt than did for it.

    More people voted for FF and SF than FG. This is a fact, no matter what you say its a fact!

    The people want change.
    OK but if you put FF/FG/Greens together ditto.
    What's your point?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,164 ✭✭✭efanton


    The last Govt was a minority Govt anyway, didn't have 50% support, go figure!

    But with what was essentially a duopoly a confidences and supply agreement was possible, even though it didn't work as well as both parties thought it would.

    With three parties now vying for the vote its hard to see how any minority government could be formed in future.

    Of course FF could implode as Labour have done if they dont do some serious house keeping and clear out their current front bench if a new general election is called. Then you would be back to a position where two parties (FG and SF) get the lions share of the vote. Hard to see either giving the other a C&S agreement though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,965 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    When are the Independents coming in for the bypasses, reopened garda stations and freebies?


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,928 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    When are the Independents coming in for the bypasses, reopened garda stations and freebies?

    When SF get involved probably:)


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,719 ✭✭✭dundalkfc10


    OK but if you put FF/FG/Greens together ditto.
    What's your point?

    My point is people voted for change. FG in Govt with FF is not change.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,863 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    My point is people voted for change. FG in Govt with FF is not change.

    Is the point really lost on you that some people voted for change, others did not?
    If the people really voted for change, then MLMD would be Taoiseach right now with a left-wing coalition of sorts.

    The very fact that she has not even tried to form such a coalition in the first place because as she admits, the numbers are not there, tells us all we need to know about this vote for 'change'.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,000 ✭✭✭Hubertj


    My point is people voted for change. FG in Govt with FF is not change.

    why don't SF form a government then?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 873 ✭✭✭StackSteevens


    Hubertj wrote: »
    why don't SF form a government then?

    Because they haven't got enough seats! and no sensible non-SF politician - other than the sneaking regarders on the republican fringes of FF - would touch them with a bargepole!

    Dancing with SF is a mug's game - just look at what they did to the SDLP north of the border.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,164 ✭✭✭efanton


    Because they haven't got enough seats! and no sensible non-SF politician - other than the sneaking regarders on the republican fringes of FF - would touch them with a bargepole!

    Dancing with SF is a mug's game - just look at what they did to the SDLP north of the border.

    To be fair what happened to the SDLP was not SF's fault, more the DUP and Arlene Foster.

    In her drive to stop any sort of sensible solution to the brexit problem between Ireland and the UK she persuaded other Unionist parties to not put forward candidates, so there would be a greater number of Brexit supporting MLA's. The nationalist parties, along with those opposed to brexit, had to respond in kind.
    The unfortunate consequence of that was the SDLP lost many of their seats.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,965 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Because they haven't got enough seats! and no sensible non-SF politician - other than the sneaking regarders on the republican fringes of FF - would touch them with a bargepole!

    You can pretend that the moral high grounding about the Shinners is principle led...it isn't of course, it is all about power, and letting go of it.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/fianna-f%C3%A1il-reaction-martin-opens-door-to-government-with-fg-or-sf-1.4167246

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/election-2020/martin-opens-the-door-to-coalition-with-sinn-fein-38941313.html
    Dancing with SF is a mug's game - just look at what they did to the SDLP north of the border.


    They need to seek forgiveness for representing the people better than another party now? :):):)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 873 ✭✭✭StackSteevens


    You can pretend that the moral high grounding about the Shinners is principle led...it isn't of course, it is all about power, and letting go of it.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/fianna-f%C3%A1il-reaction-martin-opens-door-to-government-with-fg-or-sf-1.4167246

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/election-2020/martin-opens-the-door-to-coalition-with-sinn-fein-38941313.html

    They need to seek forgiveness for representing the people better than another party now? :):):)

    He may not be all that intelligent, but I have to admire Sinn Féin's very own Duracell Bunny's stamina!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,965 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Where is our intrepid forensic team and our 'outraged' boardsie's this morning? :D

    https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/trio-fine-gael-tds-spotted-18347005

    0_I200601_161326_556862oTextTRMRMMGLPICT000212615145o.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,731 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    Because they haven't got enough seats! and no sensible non-SF politician - other than the sneaking regarders on the republican fringes of FF - would touch them with a bargepole!

    Dancing with SF is a mug's game - just look at what they did to the SDLP north of the border.

    Correct,Stack, only churns like Young Dev and other wasters would go near them.

    Ruin the gaff so they would, have everyone working their asses off to keep their support base happy.

    Nah mate, you got it spot on there.

    Wardy 16 Jnr Minister for Foreign Affairs....:eek:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,965 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    He may not be all that intelligent, but I have to admire Sinn Féin's very own Duracell Bunny's stamina!

    What about Jim O'Callaghan...is he 'not intelligent' enough?
    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/martin-under-fire-as-ocallaghan-opens-the-door-to-sinn-fein-39027236.html

    Give it up, claiming nobody will touch them with a barge pole is the usual nonsense. If it is politically expedient there won't be a problem.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,719 ✭✭✭dundalkfc10


    Because they haven't got enough seats! and no sensible non-SF politician - other than the sneaking regarders on the republican fringes of FF - would touch them with a bargepole!

    Dancing with SF is a mug's game - just look at what they did to the SDLP north of the border.

    Working with FG has worked wonders for parties over the years alright


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,928 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    What about Jim O'Callaghan...is he 'not intelligent' enough?
    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/martin-under-fire-as-ocallaghan-opens-the-door-to-sinn-fein-39027236.html

    Give it up, claiming nobody will touch them with a barge pole is the usual nonsense. If it is politically expedient there won't be a problem.

    As I keep saying, FF are great, they're just what every other party need right now.
    SF and them would be a good match
    As yous keep saying re FF FG, two cheeks of the same arse.
    It could be we have three cheeks now


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Working with FG has worked wonders for parties over the years alright
    The only party who have are Labour and what comes to them as a result of government participation is largely their own fault.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 873 ✭✭✭StackSteevens


    What about Jim O'Callaghan...is he 'not intelligent' enough?
    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/martin-under-fire-as-ocallaghan-opens-the-door-to-sinn-fein-39027236.html

    Give it up, claiming nobody will touch them with a barge pole is the usual nonsense. If it is politically expedient there won't be a problem.

    When it eventually happens you have my full permission to visit the graveyard where I'll be interred (it's in West Cork - near Skibb.) and scribble "I told ya so" on my headstone.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,572 ✭✭✭JeffKenna


    Where is our intrepid forensic team and our 'outraged' boardsie's this morning? :D

    https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/trio-fine-gael-tds-spotted-18347005

    0_I200601_161326_556862oTextTRMRMMGLPICT000212615145o.jpg

    Good looking women in fairness. Good spot.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,965 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    When it eventually happens you have my full permission to visit the graveyard where I'll be interred (it's in West Cork - near Skibb.) and scribble "I told ya so" on my headstone.

    Rather than coming up with ever more fanciful nonsense, would it not be handier to just say you were talking said 'nonsense' about bargepoles and that it will happen as soon as FG FF realise they aren't the chosen people anymore.
    Martin would be in there woth SF now with his party's blessing only that he realised he didnt have the seat numbers to demand the Taoiseach job.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,719 ✭✭✭dundalkfc10


    Until FG change from Leo the populist the young will never vote for them.

    Might have got away with it years ago, but with social media etc them days are over.

    A clear example of it

    2010. Leo's big Speech against Same Sex Parents
    2013. Referendum announced for 2015
    2015. Leo supports Marriage Referendum

    Or is he just a nacissist who will blame everyone else for his own populist actions?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 873 ✭✭✭StackSteevens


    Rather than coming up with ever more fanciful nonsense, would it not be handier to just say you were talking said 'nonsense' about bargepoles and that it will happen as soon as FG FF realise they aren't the chosen people anymore.
    Martin would be in there woth SF now with his party's blessing only that he realised he didnt have the seat numbers to demand the Taoiseach job.


    Think about it some more, Francie. In the same afternoon you could visit Béal na Bláth, Crossbarry, the site of the Kilmichael Ambush, the famine museum in Skibb before relieving yourself on my gravestone! Shure you'd be beside yourself with republican glee!


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,719 ✭✭✭dundalkfc10


    JeffKenna wrote: »
    Good looking women in fairness. Good spot.

    The woman who stated the following about SF as soon as the election was over "‘It’s about their past and it’s about the glorification of their past. People have real concerns, irrespective of the popular vote that they got"

    Same as all the others, But but but the IRA.

    Most people dont care


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,719 ✭✭✭dundalkfc10


    2014 Leo declares himself Pro Life
    2016 Citizens Assembly meet for 1st time to consider 8th amendment
    Sept 2017 Pro Life in an interview
    Jan 2018 56% poll
    April 2018 Together for Yes

    Such a liar


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,965 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Think about it some more, Francie. In the same afternoon you could visit Béal na Bláth, Crossbarry, the site of the Kilmichael Ambush, the famine museum in Skibb before relieving yourself on my gravestone! Shure you'd be beside yourself with republican glee!

    I like to see people in denial...but most of all I love to see FG and FF people in denial and especially when they have to fantasise because they cannot deny the facts.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,863 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Where is our intrepid forensic team and our 'outraged' boardsie's this morning? :D

    https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/trio-fine-gael-tds-spotted-18347005

    0_I200601_161326_556862oTextTRMRMMGLPICT000212615145o.jpg

    Telephoto lens compressing the appearence of distance, shtick.
    Pesudo journalism 101.

    https://fstoppers.com/news/are-telephoto-lenses-creating-fake-news-people-ignoring-social-distancing-481758


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Not disagreeing with your point, but funny the three you picked and your reference to them as cartoon characters.
    I look at another party with an unmentioned leader and for some reason after reading your post Betty boop popped into my head, not sure why, not really a fair comparison, but she appeared in my subliminal window.

    When you consider the thread, the parties in talks to form a government, not really, no. I was obviously speaking on the formation of the next government and how if it's those three, I'd prefer a change in leadership.
    If you can't manage to take that on board without reading some SF plot into it, that says more about you.
    Sorry pet, but my Boards.ie contract doesn't require me to do your thinking for you.

    So it was an empty meaningless comment. Understood.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,965 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    markodaly wrote: »
    Telephoto lens compressing the appearence of distance, shtick.
    Pesudo journalism 101.

    https://fstoppers.com/news/are-telephoto-lenses-creating-fake-news-people-ignoring-social-distancing-481758

    :):)

    10 mt benches...who'd have thought? :):)


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