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Ireland Team Talk XI: Team of nervoUS MOD warning Post 1

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    #8342
    Justaburner
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    AbusesToilets wrote: »
    Farrell a bit of a curious option for a bench spot. He only plays in the center, right?

    Would have thought Earls would be a better option. Covers centre, wings and FB. Odd (assuming hes not still injured).


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    #8343
    Tomtom364
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    Farrell Has covered Wing for Munster on a good few occasions and I believe he even started there in France at some point.
    Id Imagine he would go to wing and allow Keenan/Conway to move to FB if needed


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    #8344
    Yeah_Right
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    thomond2006 wrote: »
    Dropped from the Munster 23 for Nick McCarthy? Yeah...no.

    I was thinking last season when Munster had Alby and Murray was about as effective as a bag of wet cement. Would have been better to rotate Alby and one of the young halfbacks. This season I would be happy to see him on the bench and Casey to start.


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    #8345
    thomond2006
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    Yeah_Right wrote: »
    I was thinking last season when Munster had Alby and Murray was about as effective as a bag of wet cement. Would have been better to rotate Alby and one of the young halfbacks. This season I would be happy to see him on the bench and Casey to start.

    If you watch Casey from Monday night, you can see the limitations his size causes. He's an excellent talent but I think we're a while away from Murray being benched.


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    #8346
    kingofthekong
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    Kelleher out is a huge blow, adds real physicality for Ireland


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    #8347
    ionadnapokot
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    thomond2006 wrote: »
    If you watch Casey from Monday night, you can see the limitations his size causes. He's an excellent talent but I think we're a while away from Murray being benched.

    Is that based on that tackle attempt? Or was there more?

    I dont buy into his size limitations. But I also think the added defensive benefits of Murray at scrum half is a big plus.


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    #8348
    Interested Observer
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    The team is grand but the bench really isn't very good (at this level), I know injuries have seen to us but none of the bench forwards should really be making an Irish 23, Ross Byrne isn't going to come on and change a game, so I really think we need the starting XV to do a big job.


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    #8349
    WhoamI2022
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    Interested Observer wrote: »
    The team is grand but the bench really isn't very good (at this level), I know injuries have seen to us but none of the bench forwards should really be making an Irish 23, Ross Byrne isn't going to come on and change a game, so I really think we need the starting XV to do a big job.


    Which 10 available is going to change a game? Unless Carbery is back fit we don't have that option. H Byrne isn't in the squad. Ross Byrne is very under rated by a lot of people.


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    #8350
    Interested Observer
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    WhoamI2022 wrote: »
    Which 10 available is going to change a game? Unless Carbery is back fit we don't have that option. H Byrne isn't in the squad. Ross Byrne is very under rated by a lot of people.

    None of them are. Which is part of the reason the bench isn't very good.


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    #8351
    EachSmallChime
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    WhoamI2022 wrote: »
    Which 10 available is going to change a game? Unless Carbery is back fit we don't have that option. H Byrne isn't in the squad. Ross Byrne is very under rated by a lot of people.

    Not to re hash an old argument but I'd probably pick Jack Carty on the bench over Ross Byrne.

    Byrne is a good, solid and reliable 10 (possibly a safer kicker, not sure the stats) but not the man you want to bring on when you're losing in the final quarter of a championship decider and need a spark.

    If Sexton wasn't fit, I'd start Byrne first but I would have Carty on the bench ahead of him.


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    #8352
    Anatom
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    EachSmallChime wrote: »
    Not to re hash an old argument but I'd probably pick Jack Carty on the bench over Ross Byrne.

    Byrne is a good, solid and reliable 10 (possibly a safer kicker, not sure the stats) but not the man you want to bring on when you're losing in the final quarter of a championship decider and need a spark.

    If Sexton wasn't fit, I'd start Byrne first but I would have Carty on the bench ahead of him.

    So would I. He has done well when called on in the past.


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    #8353
    WhoamI2022
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    Anatom wrote: »
    So would I. He has done well when called on in the past.


    When has he done well?


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    #8354
    EachSmallChime
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    WhoamI2022 wrote: »
    When has he done well?

    I know the argument that you're going to start but if I was to answer literally, he came on as a sub and got the assist and conversion for the try in the final match of the 2019 6N against Wales. (I'm aware the game was over at that stage but that wasn't his fault)

    To answer another way, in an Irish jersey, he's done as much as Ross Byrne has.

    For me I think his style of play lends itself to being an effective impact sub, especially if we're losing.


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    #8355
    WhoamI2022
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    EachSmallChime wrote: »
    I know the argument that you're going to start but if I was to answer literally, he came on as a sub and got the assist and conversion for the try in the final match of the 2019 6N against Wales. (I'm aware the game was over at that stage but that wasn't his fault)

    To answer another way, in an Irish jersey, he's done as much as Ross Byrne has.

    For me I think his style of play lends itself to being an effective impact sub, especially if we're losing.


    I am not arguing with you. I don't remember him doing anything of note in an Irish jersey. He has more chance than other options like Byrne and Burns.

    When he has come on as a sub, he has failed to be an effective sub, unless I am missing something? which of course I could be.


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    #8356
    Clegg
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    Kilcoyne is out for another 8 weeks. His rehab wasn't going well and another surgery was required. Had it today. Looks like Ed Byrne has a chance to stake a claim for the back up loose head role.

    https://twitter.com/Murray_Kinsella/status/1321512928911200258?s=19


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    #8357
    WhoamI2022
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    Clegg wrote: »
    Kilcoyne is out for another 8 weeks. His rehab wasn't going well and another surgery was required. Had it today. Looks like Ed Byrne has a chance to stake a claim for the back up loose head role.

    https://twitter.com/Murray_Kinsella/status/1321512928911200258?s=19


    Thats a pity


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    #8358
    Burkie1203
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    France going into lockdown from Friday

    Wonder will this impact the game


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    #8359
    bilston
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    Burkie1203 wrote: »
    France going into lockdown from Friday

    Wonder will this impact the game

    Was just about to post this. Haven't read anything about exemptions for sport


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    #8360
    siltirocker
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    WhoamI2022 wrote: »
    When has he done well?

    Carty has started two games for Ireland. The first he was MOTM, and the other he set up both of Ireland's tries in pretty spectacular fashion.

    He also has the stat that of the 11 tries Ireland have scored in his 300 odd minutes on the pitch, he created 7 of them. Of the 4 he didn't, 1 was a Stockdale solo run, 1 was a Marmion block down, 1 was a forward maul, and the other was a Ringrose team try.


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    #8361
    D15er
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    siltirocker wrote: »
    Carty has started two games for Ireland. The first he was MOTM, and the other he set up both of Ireland's tries in pretty spectacular fashion.

    The second was the loss to Japan and he didn't play well. He wasn't alone in that, of course.


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    #8362
    Dave_The_Sheep
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    Burkie1203 wrote: »
    France going into lockdown from Friday

    Wonder will this impact the game

    Women's France-Ireland game called off.


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    #8363
    Captain_Crash
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    Suggestion on Twitter that the men’s game is going ahead! Interestingly I read the IRFU offered to host the women’s game here before it was cancelled


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    #8364
    [Deleted User]
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    Captain_Crash wrote: »
    Suggestion on Twitter that the men’s game is going ahead! Interestingly I read the IRFU offered to host the women’s game here before it was cancelled

    Wouldn't make a difference where it's on if there's cases in the french camp


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    #8365
    Captain_Crash
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Wouldn't make a difference where it's on if there's cases in the french camp

    True that yeah, was more referring to the restrictions in France


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    #8366
    WhoamI2022
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    siltirocker wrote: »
    Carty has started two games for Ireland. The first he was MOTM, and the other he set up both of Ireland's tries in pretty spectacular fashion.

    He also has the stat that of the 11 tries Ireland have scored in his 300 odd minutes on the pitch, he created 7 of them. Of the 4 he didn't, 1 was a Stockdale solo run, 1 was a Marmion block down, 1 was a forward maul, and the other was a Ringrose team try.

    I think you might not be telling the whole truth :-) let’s leave it at that


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    #8367
    sydthebeat
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    Captain_Crash wrote: »
    Suggestion on Twitter that the men’s game is going ahead! Interestingly I read the IRFU offered to host the women’s game here before it was cancelled

    The other way round.

    It was due to take place in France, but because the Irish girls are amateurs they would have had to quarantine for two weeks after coming home... Many having to take unpaid leave.

    The French girls offered to play the game in Ireland as a gesture, to stop the above from happening.


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    #8368
    leakyboots
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    sydthebeat wrote: »
    The other way round.

    It was due to take place in France, but because the Irish girls are amateurs they would have had to quarantine for two weeks after coming home... Many having to take unpaid leave.

    The French girls offered to play the game in Ireland as a gesture, to stop the above from happening.

    Correct, a lovely sporting gesture by the French. Shame it can't go ahead now


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    #8369
    pickarooney
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    sydthebeat wrote: »
    The other way round.

    It was due to take place in France, but because the Irish girls are amateurs they would have had to quarantine for two weeks after coming home... Many having to take unpaid leave.

    The French girls offered to play the game in Ireland as a gesture, to stop the above from happening.

    They may be amateur but they're still adults. Women, not girls.


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    #8370
    swiwi_
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    pickarooney wrote: »
    They may be amateur but they're still adults. Women, not girls.

    Ah it wouldn’t be an Internet forum without political correctness eh. Maybe some of these players are gender fluid.


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    #8371
    sydthebeat
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    pickarooney wrote: »
    They may be amateur but they're still adults. Women, not girls.

    The girls refer to themselves as girls, so I've no problem also referring to them as girls.

    And I've no idea why being an adult has any impact on their amateur status??


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