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K.O.Kiki · 10-01-2019 5:57pm

EoinHef wrote: »

Thats why i reckon im finding it hard to decide,its all so close with pros and cons for each

Pro: Will let you play at high resolutions/framerates

Con: Not made by AMD

wotzgoingon · 10-01-2019 6:00pm

I'd go with the 9700K as you did say yourself you are getting a decent board. Then as you also said in a few years time you can always drop in the i9 to prolong the life of the computer.

People did say the i5's were the gaming chips with the four physical cores back in the day. Well the i7 is the i5 now with it's eight physical cores.

Though personally I would get a Ryzen myself if I was buying.

EoinHef · 10-01-2019 8:02pm

The one thing about ryzen that im finding is that the 3200Mhz CL14 ram kits are £194+ from what i see. Now add a decent AM4 board and suddenly a 2700X is costing similar to a 9700K build.

Seeing as the machine is a gaming machine pretty exclusively it makes it quite the dilema imo. Intel offers more performance. Currently have a 100Hz 1440p monitor but plan to eventually get a 144hz one. That and the similar pricing makes me feel like intel might be the better option this time. I know my GPU will currently be the bottleneck but i usually upgrade GPU's reasonably regualrly where as id expect to upgrade the CPU only after 5 years or so.

EoinHef · 10-01-2019 10:37pm

So for fun heres the 3 builds.

Motherboard choices are based mostly on VRM quality. Especially the X470 and Z390 choices. The Z370 choice seems to be solid if a little more budget than the other two but givin what may end up running in the X470 or Z390 ive spent a little more on the other two. I would have liked the AsRock X470 Taichi but thats over £200 atm:(

RAM prices,especially high clock tight timing modules for ryzen are SO expensive. This really adds to the cost of the AM4 build. But givin the way infinity fabric reacts to ram speed and latency i thought i shouldnt cheap out here so went for the AMD recomended kit.

8700K
MB:AsRock Extreme 4 Z370 -£153
CPU:8700K -£370
RAM:Corsair LPX 3200Mhz/CL16 -£123
Cooler: Corsair H100i Pro RGB(:P) -£105
Total: £751

9700K
MB:Gigabyte Aorus Elite Z390 -£165
CPU:9700k -£380
RAM:Corsair LPX 3200Mhz/CL16 -£123
COOLER:Corsair H100i Pro RGB -£105
Total: £773

2700X
MB:ASUS ROG X470 F Gaming -£185
CPU:2700X -£309
RAM:G.Skill Flare X 3200Mhz/CL14 -£195
COOLER:Corsair H100i Pro RGB -£105
Total: £795

Prices are a mix of Aria and Amazon UK. Ive also to get a case but ill leave that discussion for now:P

Obviously could cut back on the Ryzen build,could probably save £100 with a few small compromises but just wanted to show that the cost can get up there with Ryzen.Think all 3 are a huge upgrade from where i am anyway:D

wotzgoingon · 10-01-2019 11:04pm

It's up to you really what build you go for. I myself have been saying on this forum since first gen Ryzen that I will get a Ryzen build. Half way through this year 3rd gen Ryzen will be released. I still don't know if I will upgrade BUT if I do upgrade it will be a Ryzen build when ever that is.

I also like you will not be going for a budget Ryzen build it would be a premium board and best RAM available for a Ryzen system at the time.

yoshiktk · 10-01-2019 11:31pm

As an owner of Ryzen, I have to say I'm pleasantly surprised. I went with a semi-saving build, Ryzen 2600 and Rx580 with the upgrade in mind later this year. At 1080 almost every game I've checked run butter smooth on ultra/high, with decent temps, maybe the Witcher was one exemption putting some stress on gpu.
For me the major point which made me choose AMD this time was the socket, new CPU's will still use AM4 and able to work on current mobo's so with a big upgrade in mind, I hope for few years of peaceful gaming.

TerrorFirmer · 11-01-2019 1:09am

I'd probably take the 8700K build personally. Ryzen is hands down the best budget option for gamers, or the best option flat out for productivity, but for raw gaming performance, Intel is still best. Especially when you have a 144hz monitor.

I had a 2700X, went to a 9600K which I have at 4.8Ghz and it's much better in games (have a 144hz monitor), 8700K should be even better in terms of minimum frames.

If you've no interest in overclocking then Ryzen is probably a better option as you could devote extra funds to a GPU.

MiskyBoyy · 11-01-2019 1:15am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuUwLuQGPj4&feature=youtu.be&t=1092

EoinHef · 11-01-2019 1:24am

MiskyBoyy wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuUwLuQGPj4&feature=youtu.be&t=1092

Watched it,still finding it hard to decide:P

Think he nails it with the feeling bad about the 9700K simply because theres no hyperthreading but effectivly its extra core speed means its not really at much of a disadvantage because of it. Essentially a tiny bit more performance on average in games for the 9700k and a few productivity wins for the 8700k but overall pretty similar.

EoinHef · 11-01-2019 1:34am

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

I'd probably take the 8700K build personally. Ryzen is hands down the best budget option for gamers, or the best option flat out for productivity, but for raw gaming performance, Intel is still best. Especially when you have a 144hz monitor.

I had a 2700X, went to a 9600K which I have at 4.8Ghz and it's much better in games (have a 144hz monitor), 8700K should be even better in terms of minimum frames.

If you've no interest in overclocking then Ryzen is probably a better option as you could devote extra funds to a GPU.

For me its gaming thats top of the list,anything that can run games at the level of either of the 3 is more than enough for everything else in my case. Makin me think intel is the way to go alright.

twinsen · 11-01-2019 5:21pm

EoinHef wrote: »

Watched it,still finding it hard to decide:P

Think he nails it with the feeling bad about the 9700K simply because theres no hyperthreading but effectivly its extra core speed means its not really at much of a disadvantage because of it. Essentially a tiny bit more performance on average in games for the 9700k and a few productivity wins for the 8700k but overall pretty similar.

if it is 20e difference it would be crazy to buy old tech. HT doesn't give much extra performance, and 2 extra cores will be way better in the long run.

EoinHef · 11-01-2019 6:10pm

twinsen wrote: »

if it is 20e difference it would be crazy to buy old tech. HT doesn't give much extra performance, and 2 extra cores will be way better in the long run.

Yeah ive decided to go with the 9700K. Its not the price difference,the thing that made it hard to choose for me was weather in the long run which would be more effective,6c/12t or 8c/8t.

Most of what im readin gives the 9700K the advantage,if even only a small one,and that the 8700K does better in blender but not much else. The only game i see throwing up better minimums for the 8700K is Far Cry 5 also so the minimums look to be similar or better on the 9700K for the most part.

Gonna order it all tonight after work.

MiskyBoyy · 11-01-2019 6:56pm

EoinHef wrote:

Gonna order it all tonight after work.

You won't regret it

When I got mine from overclockers it came with a code for Black Ops 4. Is it the same from Aria? Even if you don't use it, surely could sell it

EoinHef · 11-01-2019 8:06pm

MiskyBoyy wrote: »

You won't regret it

When I got mine from overclockers it came with a code for Black Ops 4. Is it the same from Aria? Even if you don't use it, surely could sell it

Not sure. Ill have a look when ordering. Have played a decent amount of it on PS4 so if its not included i dont mind too much. Be a nice bonus though:)

Venom · 11-01-2019 8:10pm

EoinHef wrote: »

Not sure. Ill have a look when ordering. Have played a decent amount of it on PS4 so if its not included i dont mind too much. Be a nice bonus though

I think it's fair to say you won't be having a bad gaming experience considering the hardware in question

h0neybadger · 11-01-2019 9:23pm

all sorted. Amazon are great. sent me a return address, and an email address to email the receipt for postage so they can refund the full amount paid.

papu · 12-01-2019 12:49pm

Has anyone purchased a Shenker or XMG laptop? Im looking for something for creative media production, i7, discrete gpu and a good screen with high srgb is needed. Budget around 800€, XMG seems to be the best option, my brother had a pcspecialist laptop and it kinda started falling apart near the end..

EoinHef · 12-01-2019 6:14pm

Phew! Thats all my ordering done:D

It really starts to add up! Ended up going with a NZXT H500 for the case. Got myself a pwm fan controller and a few bequiet pure wings pwm 140/120mm's to replace the stock case fans. Got a bit of noctua TIM and an rgb strip kit too.

Amazon doesnt have stock of some stuff till the 26th so be a bit of wait for the stuff from there.

Thats gonna be a long wait:(

K.O.Kiki · 12-01-2019 8:07pm

papu wrote: »

Has anyone purchased a Shenker or XMG laptop? Im looking for something for creative media production, i7, discrete gpu and a good screen with high srgb is needed. Budget around 800€, XMG seems to be the best option, my brother had a pcspecialist laptop and it kinda started falling apart near the end..

Schenker, XMG & PCSpecialist all use the same OEM as far as I know.

Skerries · 12-01-2019 8:22pm

Clevo?

jebidiah · 15-01-2019 10:19am

Does anyone have experience with the NZXT H400i or similar case, the included fan controller and the CAM software?

Should I still be attaching my CPU fan to the motherboard?

15-01-2019 1:18pm

I'd just attach your case fans to the controller and leave the cpu into the mobo.

wotzgoingon · 17-01-2019 12:53am

Pretty good video talking about Nvidia Adaptive sync technology. Only tested a handful of monitors which is to be expected as I'd imagine reviewers do not get sent too many monitors to test and if they do they probably have to send them back.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icJnTUAaB9Y

iLikeWaffles · 17-01-2019 1:21am

Would this be what I need to extend the sata power slots?

https://www.amazon.co.uk/StarTech-B5196-Power-Splitter-Adapter/dp/B0086OGN9E/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1547684080&sr=8-2&keywords=sata+psu+extender

Need 1 slot this will click into one of the slots in use on a HDD/SSD and extend right?

wotzgoingon · 17-01-2019 1:27am

iLikeWaffles wrote: »

Would this be what I need to extend the sata power slots?

https://www.amazon.co.uk/StarTech-B5196-Power-Splitter-Adapter/dp/B0086OGN9E/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1547684080&sr=8-2&keywords=sata+psu+extender

Need 1 slot this will click into one of the slots in use on a HDD/SSD and extend right?

Looks like it anyway. Did you not get extra with the PSU?

iLikeWaffles · 17-01-2019 1:47am

wotzgoingon wrote: »

Looks like it anyway. Did you not get extra with the PSU?

I thought so too, Had a look in the box (in attic) I think I used it already only came with 2x2 slots, iirc. Cheers!

farna_boy · 17-01-2019 1:54pm

I've come to the conclusion that I hate trying to pick out a new monitor.

Usually I enjoy researching all there is to know about a component and it is relatively easy to identify the best solution for me in any given situation. Yes, it may take me a long time to decide but the facts are clear and most reviews seem indicate a general consensus.

However, I have been trying to find information about monitors and looking at review for monitors for the past few days and every time I almost reach a conclusion, I read something else that will make that conclusion invalid.

Example: IPS vs VA vs TN
My latest conclusion: VA is a good compromise between TN and IPS from a response perspective (TN winner) and color reproduction (IPS winner)
New fact/opinion: VA is rubbish for response especially at high frequencies and will in fact counteract gains from high frequencies

Example 2: IPS vs VA vs TN
Conclusion: IPS is the best for color reproduction and gives you the best image
Counter fact/opinion: IPS (and to an extent VA) quality control is rubbish. Yes the best of these monitors are outstanding but the chances of you getting a good one is slim

Example 3: IPS vs VA vs TN
Conclusion: The TN color reproduction issues are more of a historical problem and reviewers just haven't moved on. Current TN monitors offer a very good image and in the case where you are sitting directly in front of the screen i.e. at a desk, and you are not a professional who relies on image reproduction you will never notice the difference.
Counter fact/opinion: 90% of all professional reviewers

At this stage since I am coming from a 24" TN 1080p monitor and looking to change to 27(+)" 2560x1440P 144Hz Freesync monitor, any monitor that meet those specs will do.

In fact, given the inherent improvements with the new specs, and that I won't be able to compare the new monitor to anything else except the old monitor should I just go for cheapest good monitor I can get?

K.O.Kiki · 17-01-2019 2:00pm

farna_boy wrote: »

should I just go for cheapest good monitor I can get?

Read reviews for any monitor before you buy.
Sometimes cheap is good, but other times cheap is nasty.

BArra · 17-01-2019 3:03pm

I have been researching for months so know exactly what you are talking about regarding monitor purchase decisions; there will be a caveat with any monitor you pick regardless of panel type

Its going to be a matter though eventually to bite the bullet and try one and see how it is, and return as necessary

Reviews for high end IPS are rife with returns due to IPS glow, VA panels apparently suffer badly with ghosting, even high refresh rate ones, and TN is the worst image quality

There is a new monitor that might be of interest but in-depth reviews dont exist yet, it should be available to buy before the end of the month

Gigabyte Aorus AD27QD - https://www.gigabyte.com/Monitors/AD27QD#kf

This is using a newer IPS panel revision, 144hz, Freesync, check it out

farna_boy · 17-01-2019 3:34pm

K.O.Kiki wrote: »

Read reviews for any monitor before you buy.
Sometimes cheap is good, but other times cheap is nasty.

The one I had in mind is still a Dell S2719DGF (27" 2560x1440 144Hz TN) which is currently reduced to €399 but with the discount code "SAVE10", it can be had for €359. Dell also have a single dead pixel return policy which is good. The biggest problem is that because it is relatively new, there aren't that many reviews of it and given the above discounts are probably short term I'm not sure how long I can wait.

BArra wrote: »

I have been researching for months so know exactly what you are talking about regarding monitor purchase decisions; there will be a caveat with any monitor you pick regardless of panel type

Its going to be a matter though eventually to bite the bullet and try one and see how it is, and return as necessary

Reviews for high end IPS are rife with returns due to IPS glow, VA panels apparently suffer badly with ghosting, even high refresh rate ones, and TN is the worst image quality

There is a new monitor that might be of interest but in-depth reviews dont exist yet, it should be available to buy before the end of the month

Gigabyte Aorus AD27QD - https://www.gigabyte.com/Monitors/AD27QD#kf

This is using a newer IPS panel revision, 144hz, Freesync, check it out

I did see mention of that in a few places but I didn't realise that it was that close to release.

Any idea how much it is going to cost?

The other monitor I saw that has good user reviews (but almost no proper reviews) is the Hanspree HG324 31.5" 2560x1440 VA monitor. The good ones seem great but again their seems to be quality issues (like other VA and IPS monitors) and I would worry about the ghosting as you mentioned. It is tempting though because it is only about €430.

My original plan was to get the MG279Q but the more I think about it, I'm not sure if I want to spend €700+ on a monitor. Or rather is the MG279Q worth twice the Dell above?

Even if it is worth twice the Dell, if I never see one in real life (which I doubt I ever would anyway), the Dell will probably be better than my existing monitor so would I just be happy in my ignorance?

Venom · 17-01-2019 3:41pm

I am literally in the same boat regarding monitors and have been trying to narrow down the choice by combing through reviews before pulling the trigger but every time I get close either something new comes out like that new Gigabyte monitor, a revision of an older monitor or Nvidia let loose the cat amongst the pigeons by supporting Freesync! I kept coming back to the Asus XG32VQ which a revision XG32VQR is now due out soon and if it passes muster, it will be going on my desk.

Venom · 17-01-2019 3:51pm

farna_boy wrote: »

The one I had in mind is still a Dell S2719DGF (27" 2560x1440 144Hz TN) which is currently reduced to €399 but with the discount code "SAVE10", it can be had for €359. Dell also have a single dead pixel return policy which is good. The biggest problem is that because it is relatively new, there aren't that many reviews of it and given the above discounts are probably short term I'm not sure how long I can wait.

I did see mention of that in a few places but I didn't realise that it was that close to release.

Any idea how much it is going to cost?

The other monitor I saw that has good user reviews (but almost no proper reviews) is the Hanspree HG324 31.5" 2560x1440 VA monitor. The good ones seem great but again there seems to be quality issues (like other VA and IPS monitors) and I would worry about the ghosting as you mentioned. It is tempting though because it is only about €430.

My original plan was to get the MG279Q but the more I think about it, I'm not sure if I want to spend €700+ on a monitor. Or rather is the MG279Q worth twice the Dell above?

Even if it is worth twice the Dell, if I never see one in real life (which I doubt I ever would anyway), the Dell will probably be better than my existing monitor so would I just be happy in my ignorance?

That Dell seems to suffer from the same issues as the previous model with lack of gamma adjustment and colour banding issues. From looking at reviews of the old one I got the feeling it was popular due to the low price it seemed to always be on sale at rather than being a good monitor but this is just my take on it from poking around Youtube and various tech forums.

The Gigabyte is up for pre-order on overclockers for €611ish but I'd want to see some proper reviews and feedback from users first before picking up an IPS monitor, due to how frequent black light bleed seems to affect them.

wotzgoingon · 17-01-2019 4:08pm

farna_boy wrote: »

My original plan was to get the MG279Q but the more I think about it, I'm not sure if I want to spend €700+ on a monitor.

I had that MG279Q. It was a decent monitor. I sold it some time last year though as I had bought a Xbox One X around that time and was looking for a 4k HDR monitor and there was none available so in the end I picked up a 4k HDR Tv.

One thing I miss though is Freesync and Xbox supports Freesync now but only over HDMI.

I can also use the Tv with my PC for games so it doesn't go to waste.

Inviere · 18-01-2019 5:16pm

I’m considering switching to using a password manager, given the amount of accounts etc needed these days. Is LastPass as good as the reviews suggest? Is it worth going Premium?

MiskyBoyy · 18-01-2019 5:19pm

Inviere wrote:

Iâ€™m considering switching to using a password manager, given the amount of accounts etc needed these days. Is LastPass as good as the reviews suggest? Is it worth going Premium?

I've been using Lastpass for years. I think it's great, no problems with it. The only reason I would have considered premium before was to use it on my Android but that's free now too.

TrueDub · 18-01-2019 6:07pm

MiskyBoyy wrote: »

I've been using Lastpass for years. I think it's great, no problems with it. The only reason I would have considered premium before was to use it on my Android but that's free now too.

Does it work with Android/IOS apps, or just with webpages on those devices?

TitianGerm · 18-01-2019 6:11pm

TrueDub wrote: »

Does it work with Android/IOS apps, or just with webpages on those devices?

Once you allow it to overlay on Android it'll autofill the majority of apps.

Inviere · 18-01-2019 6:35pm

MiskyBoyy wrote: »

I've been using Lastpass for years. I think it's great, no problems with it. The only reason I would have considered premium before was to use it on my Android but that's free now too.

Cheers misky. I’ve a large amount of passwords saved using Chrome, so if converting to LastPass, should I delete all saved passwords from Chrome and begin again, allowing a Chrome to remember the new ones. Or is there a browser addon from LastPass which handles auto fill duties?

Luck100 · 19-01-2019 1:23am

Inviere wrote: »

Cheers misky. I’ve a large amount of passwords saved using Chrome, so if converting to LastPass, should I delete all saved passwords from Chrome and begin again, allowing a Chrome to remember the new ones. Or is there a browser addon from LastPass which handles auto fill duties?

Lastpass has its own Chrome plugin to handle everything. I wiped all my Chrome saved passwords once I started using LastPass.

Skerries · 19-01-2019 3:26am

Inviere · 19-01-2019 12:51pm

Luck100 wrote: »

Lastpass has its own Chrome plugin to handle everything. I wiped all my Chrome saved passwords once I started using LastPass.

Perfect, sounds like a plan. Thanks

Skerries · 24-01-2019 12:56am

K.O.Kiki · 24-01-2019 1:49pm

https://www.adverts.ie/other-peripherals/logitech-receivers-bargain/15335618

Yes, "€300"-worth of Logitech receivers is worth a GTX 1080 Ti...

AlmightyCushion · 24-01-2019 1:57pm

K.O.Kiki wrote: »

https://www.adverts.ie/other-peripherals/logitech-receivers-bargain/15335618

Yes, "€300"-worth of Logitech receivers is worth a GTX 1080 Ti...

1080ti straight swap
1080 150 my way
1070 250 my way

That values a 1070 at €50 and a 1080 at €150.

TerrorFirmer · 25-01-2019 10:33am

Selling them cheap as need them gone ASAP cuz moving out.

Skerries · 26-01-2019 11:50am

turdball · 26-01-2019 3:19pm

Anyone recommend an upgrade on the GTX 970 for 250ish mark. Reckon I'll get a 100 anyway for the 970 for a quick sale.

Headshot · 26-01-2019 4:01pm

Guys is it recommend to have a heatsink for NVMe's?

Tempted to get another one for my pc but the 2nd slot on my mobo for NVMe doesnt come with a heat sink

TerrorFirmer · 26-01-2019 4:02pm

There's not much going at that price point. RX590 8GB or GTX1060 6GB, a little faster with more vram but not huge upgrades, the market has stagnated horribly in recent years.

If you can stretch to €330ish Vega 56 is a big upgrade and comes with Resident Evil 2, DMC 5 and Division 2.

RTX2060 is the closest Nvidia equivalent at the moment, but around €380, comes with Anthem and Battlefield V too.

MiskyBoyy · 26-01-2019 4:17pm

Headshot wrote: »

Guys is it recommend to have a heatsink for NVMe's?

Tempted to get another one for my pc but the 2nd slot on my mobo for NVMe doesnt come with a heat sink

Yes.

You can buy aftermarket ones like in the video.

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