Liffey quays cycle route: Detailed drawings online

Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime wrote: »

I want to agree with you but i am a Dublin bus driver and i know how long it can take to drive from suburbs to city.

When i lived in a dublin suburb i was working in dame Street in an office at office hours and it was an awful lot faster to use the car than take the bus or use the luas . More comfortable and all sorts too.

Bus must be the slowest mode of transport getting stuck behind cyclists and traffic and bus stops along with being slow in general. This diversion will make it slower again along the route

Option 3 will give greater priority to buses than car traffic. The impacts on rush hour car traffic will be worse than any reasonable worse case for buses.

The city needs to get more people cycling and on buses to make better use of the limited space in the city. Current car space converting to other use will be the main target to help the goal.

Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime wrote: »

Plus this dual cycle Lane, i thought people didn't want to cross over the bridge to cross back again ?

I.e people going home in the south quays won't bother going to the north quays if it's out of their way.

The support for the two-way is as clear as could be. 80% support two way -- little support for uncontinuous with-flow on both sides.

A lot of the commuter and other traffic is north across south, south across north, south to west, and north to west.

Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime wrote: »

As well as changing the direction of traffic on those back streets which run beside the luas it will make it very difficult for people living in those areas to get around.

• Arran Quay C, with 0 Cars was 1,189. This figure represents 66.7% of all households.
• Inns Quay C, with 0 Cars was 824. This figure represents 70.5% of all households.
• North City, with 0 Cars was 1,467. This figure represents 84.2% of all households.

KEY: Dark blue: ~50-80% households with zero cars | Light blue~30-50% households with zero cars | Light green: ~20-30% households with zero cars | Bright green: Less than 20% households with zero cars

Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime wrote: »

Then we need to take people that need to drive with disabilities, people too old to be getting on a bike, taxis, ambulances, gardai, couriers, maintenance workers with vans, trucks going to docks and so on. They only have 1 Lane now not 2 which will cause major delays even off peak

It's worth pointing out that cycle paths and electric bicycles enable older people to cycle, and many people with disabilities can use cycle paths in a number of ways: https://bicycledutch.wordpress.com/2012/12/06/who-else-benefits-from-the-dutch-cycling-infrastructure/



Ambulances, the garda and taxis can use bus lanes or traffic lanes, and the emergency services can also use tram tracks where needed.

There's a very low level of loading on the streets affected and that loading can be done from other streets.

The vast bulk of trucks going to Dublin Port are not allowed on this route.

lucernarian wrote: »

They weren't 100 million separate people obviously! 100 million passengers you mean.

Passenger trips if you want to be exact!

Carawaystick wrote: »

What sort of priority will cyclists coming from Heuston station/Johns rd to the North quay get?
What sort of priority will cyclists coming from Coyningham(sp?) rd/Phoenix park to the North Quay get?
What sort of priority will cyclists coming up the quay to Heuston get?

Good questions and it's detail they should be working on now given one option was clearly more supported than others.

trellheim wrote: »

This is silly. Just plain silly. I've posted in here before and people know my feelings as a cyclist . tl;dr - disconnected from reality.

What exactly is this? Why is it silly? How is it disconnected from reality?

dubscottie wrote: »

Seen the artists impressions of this.. Say someone was to have an incident mid quays and the nearest Ambulance was at/near Heuston how would it get to me? Down the cycle lanes?

It goes down the bus / tram route and crosses over to the quays.

dubscottie wrote: »

Idiotic idea that needs to be knocked on the head ASAP.

I am all for anything that keeps cyclists away from me while walking or off the road while on a motorbike but this is stupid.

It's actually a very detailed, long thought about plan.

SummerSummit wrote: »

Do a switch. Build a boardwalk all the way to Hueston and put the cycleway on it. Simple.

there's good reasons why that was not chosen by most people at public consultation -- it would involve some very narrow cycle paths and shared areas at bridge pinch points which would mix walking and cycling on footpaths at junctions -- which would mean more people cycling would just not just the route and keep to the narrowed bus lane.

The whole concept of boardwalks is also expensive to build and maintain for questionable added value.

SummerSummit wrote: »

The current proposal will never work. Not enough space for buses to overtake each other. What happens when a granny fumbles her change at a stop = the entire bus network coming in from the West grinds to a halt.

Dublin Bus think it can be made to work.

And there is enough space for buses to overtake each other where it matter. The only bus stop along the detour section will have bus stop bays with bus-only pass room.

It's more space for buses protected from turning motorists than there is along the quays at present.