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Hard Knocks · 31-05-2019 7:33am

Has anyone used Tweedale lookout or Clenagh Mischief?
They’ve 2 copies of Q204X gene

charolais0153 · 31-05-2019 10:28am

Hard Knocks wrote: »

Has anyone used Tweedale lookout or Clenagh Mischief?
They’ve 2 copies of Q204X gene

That mischief bull doesn’t have any calves yet

Hard Knocks · 31-05-2019 11:19am

charolais0153 wrote: »

That mischief bull doesn’t have any calves yet

There’s 1 bull calf on ICBF
Could be others not recorded

adne · 31-05-2019 2:47pm

bogman_bass wrote: »

Any i’ve Had we’re grand temperament wise. Serious width.
The daughters don’t have enough milk to colour your tea though.

Same here. Good sq cattle quiet but no milk even when off milky dams

charolais0153 · 31-05-2019 5:53pm

Hard Knocks wrote: »

There’s 1 bull calf on ICBF
Could be others not recorded

Very few I’d imagine

golodge · 31-05-2019 6:27pm

Hard Knocks wrote: »

Has anyone used Tweedale lookout or Clenagh Mischief?
They’ve 2 copies of Q204X gene

Have 4 calves from Tweeddale Lookout (3bulls, 1heifer) and a couple cows incalf. Heifer was born at 278days and was pretty skinny and small, ~40kgs, second calf for the cow, but a heifer would have been able to calve such calf no bother. Bull calves were born at 285-291days, 48-56.5kg weight. All out of limx or charx cows. Had to assist to deliver the biggest calf.

Overall, not too bad calving and pretty good shape. The eldest calf is just 3months old, so can't say much yet, but overall quite a good bull. Have two first calvers incalf now. Going to use him some more. Not suitable for harder calved cows or heifers and wouldn't use on a more muscled cow, except if she's a spectacular calver.

That's 7 weeks old calf out of plain, tall limx second calver.

This one is out of charolaisxdairy 10years old cow.

The biggest calf at birth. Calves haven't expressed much of muscles at birth, but they have that Charolais calf look.

antrim1 · 03-06-2019 4:00pm

Anyone using the Sim bulls Earp SI2152 or Fifty Cent SI12469?

Have a lovely batch of sim x heifers will be bulling in the Autumn and looking at them as possibles.

Sugarbowl · 03-06-2019 4:18pm

I used SI2152 a few years ago. Nice calf and didn't have an issue calving him. Killed out as an R grade bullock, good carcass weight too if I recall.

High bike · 03-06-2019 4:38pm

antrim1 wrote: »

Anyone using the Sim bulls Earp SI2152 or Fifty Cent SI12469?

Have a lovely batch of sim x heifers will be bulling in the Autumn and looking at them as possibles.

only one Fifty Cent bull calf here from a heifer calving at 24 mts , nice square calf and no issues calving.Will be using him on a few more heifers this year

tanko · 03-06-2019 5:15pm

antrim1 wrote: »

Anyone using the Sim bulls Earp SI2152 or Fifty Cent SI12469?

Have a lovely batch of sim x heifers will be bulling in the Autumn and looking at them as possibles.

Have used both here, i wouldn't put Earp on heifers anyway, he's a good bull but not easy enough calved for that job.
Fifty cent is easier calved but calves off him are a bit plainer and less muscled than Earp calves, nice square calves off fifty cent all the same.

pure breed · 04-06-2019 12:13am

antrim1 wrote:

Anyone using the Sim bulls Earp SI2152 or Fifty Cent SI12469?

Being using Earp for about 3yrs or so. We've got nice heifers off Sim x cows.
Had the first of them calf there in May nice CH x. 2 to calf in fall of year.
Was expecting a better bag of milk.
We got 3 heifers first yr out of 4 and 2 in last two yrs out of 2 straws used.
So his lucky enough for heifers.
Only had the 1 bull and he sold well off a CH x BB cow.

furandfeather · 04-06-2019 9:24am

pure breed wrote: »

Being using Earp for about 3yrs or so. We've got nice heifers off Sim x cows.
Had the first of them calf there in May nice CH x. 2 to calf in fall of year.
Was expecting a better bag of milk.
We got 3 heifers first yr out of 4 and 2 in last two yrs out of 2 straws used.
So his lucky enough for heifers.
Only had the 1 bull and he sold well off a CH x BB cow.

That would be his biggest fault from talking to lads, his daughters aren't awful milky. Breeding nice calves though

squinn2912 · 04-06-2019 9:59am

antrim1 wrote: »

Anyone using the Sim bulls Earp SI2152 or Fifty Cent SI12469?

Have a lovely batch of sim x heifers will be bulling in the Autumn and looking at them as possibles.

I threw 3 fifty cent straws in maiden heifers last week. Got him once before and turned out two good rugged bull calves not wonderful shape though

pure breed · 04-06-2019 7:49pm

furandfeather wrote:

That would be his biggest fault from talking to lads, his daughters aren't awful milky. Breeding nice calves though

Agreed on milk, our Earp heifers are mostly outta of milky Sim x cows so hopefully they'll be ok, have one calving in fall of year out of BB x and she'll earn it to have milk from look of her at moment.
Like the shape of heifers, the bulls not great sellers at all, which could be said for most Simentals being sold as weanlings I suppose.

whelan2 · 05-06-2019 9:38pm

Young lad has a few heifers he is going to ai a nice red white head and 2 AAx fr. His plan is to use si2152. What do ye think or a lim.?

tanko · 05-06-2019 10:35pm

whelan2 wrote: »

Young lad has a few heifers he is going to ai a nice red white head and 2 AAx fr. His plan is to use si2152. What do ye think or a lim.?

Ive used SI2152 (Curaheen Earp) on young cows and think he would be risky on heifers.
Lisnacrann fifty cent SI2469 would be a safer option if using a Simmental bull i think.
If going for a Lim from PG, ZAG might be an option and lots of people put him on heifers but he's not an out and out easy calved bull either.
My choice would be the Saler bull SA2153, a safe option for heifers.

antrim1 · 06-06-2019 12:53pm

pure breed wrote: »

Agreed on milk, our Earp heifers are mostly outta of milky Sim x cows so hopefully they'll be ok, have one calving in fall of year out of BB x and she'll earn it to have milk from look of her at moment.
Like the shape of heifers, the bulls not great sellers at all, which could be said for most Simentals being sold as weanlings I suppose.

Sell all our bullocks at 9 to 11 months and I have to say cant complain about the prices. All would be Sim out of Sim x cows. Might not weigh as heavy as a CH (or shapely) of the same age but are always well priced in the local mart. Heifers all kept and the pick taken to go with the bull at 24months, again those sold always do well through the ring! The cow plays a big part

148multi · 06-06-2019 7:36pm

Have one off fifty cent, you'd have to push him out of the way. He is a touch short with good shape but lacking muscle, he's out of a plain enough cow with a replacement figure of 94, his replacement figure is 135. I'm very happy with him.

charolais0153 · 06-06-2019 9:38pm

148multi wrote: »

Have one off fifty cent, you'd have to push him out of the way. He is a touch short with good shape but lacking muscle, he's out of a plain enough cow with a replacement figure of 94, his replacement figure is 135. I'm very happy with him.

Would ya not say shape and muscle are the same thing?

148multi · 07-06-2019 8:44am

Shape as in frame, here's cow and calf.
Now icbf have cow replacement of 94 but calf at 135?
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ABitofsense · 12-06-2019 4:17pm

What are lads bulling AAx heifers with? I have put a couple of Limousins (Knell) on a few of them this year to see how they perform.

High bike · 12-06-2019 8:31pm

ABitofsense wrote: »

What are lads bulling AAx heifers with? I have put a couple of Limousins (Knell) on a few of them this year to see how they perform.

what age are they?

ABitofsense · 13-06-2019 9:51am

16-18 months

High bike · 13-06-2019 10:46am

ABitofsense wrote: »

16-18 months

They should manage away ok at that age he's supposed to be easy calving, I'd be trying a proven easy calver on heifers myself maybe a saler, sa2153 is handy enough calved and bringing nice stock

squinn2912 · 13-06-2019 11:34am

Any of you ever try Stoneyroyd Halcyon Matrix shorthorn bull before?

50HX · 14-06-2019 7:09pm

Have an older cow coming get near the end, no matter what I AI her to she calves no bother

Hope to get a replacemenet off the last few calves off her

In heat for the morning should I go

Zch/ fsz/ nin/ mzt/ ahz/adx...........my pot is running low

She,s a lm/ch cow

What would ye think lads??

tanko · 14-06-2019 7:56pm

50HX wrote: »

Have an older cow coming get near the end, no matter what I AI her to she calves no bother

Hope to get a replacemenet off the last few calves off her

In heat for the morning should I go

Zch/ fsz/ nin/ mzt/ ahz/adx...........my pot is running low

She,s a lm/ch cow

What would ye think lads??

I think you need to get yourself some straws of good Simmental or Limousin maternal bulls.
Not much of a choice there, ZCH or NiN might be your best bet out of them.

charolais0153 · 14-06-2019 8:04pm

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50HX · 14-06-2019 8:05pm

tanko wrote: »

I think you need to get yourself some straws of good Simmental or Limousin maternal bulls.
Not much of a choice there, ZCH or NiN might be your best bet out of them.

I have APZ but daughter calving is v high

Need to burn down through what I have if I can, have a lot of old blues but doubt they suit....stiq, dbz, edj, djh

I hear you on updating dating the pot tho

tanko · 14-06-2019 8:15pm

APZ is a waste of space, daughters are no use.
I dont like bluex cows, i see too many problems calving them around here.

50HX · 14-06-2019 8:22pm

tanko wrote: »

APZ is a waste of space, daughters are no use.
I dont like bluex cows, i see too many problems calving them around here.

I agree blues are too risky especially part time suckling, my terminal side is poor so need to invest in lm I think

tanko · 14-06-2019 11:13pm

I think Simmentals are worrh a try also, the bulls/bullocks are good sellers i find.

sonnybill · 15-06-2019 12:11am

TVR bull

bogman_bass · 16-06-2019 4:00pm

50HX wrote: »

Have an older cow coming get near the end, no matter what I AI her to she calves no bother

Hope to get a replacemenet off the last few calves off her

In heat for the morning should I go

Zch/ fsz/ nin/ mzt/ ahz/adx...........my pot is running low

She,s a lm/ch cow

What would ye think lads??

AHZ would be my pick from that but might be better saving by the straw for a heifer.
Add gives great calves but rubbish cows

Mac Taylor · 16-06-2019 9:54pm

bogman_bass wrote: »

AHZ would be my pick from that but might be better saving by the straw for a heifer.
Add gives great calves but rubbish cows

Hi bogman_bass, did you mean adx, I’ve kept 2 of my lmx cross (hca x fr) heifer calves as cows, the calved on their own and have a nice bag of milk, although one of them is questionable on docility which I think is coming from hca breeding rather than adx. Will be letting up 2 more this year.

50HX · 16-06-2019 10:42pm

bogman_bass wrote: »

AHZ would be my pick from that but might be better saving by the straw for a heifer.
Add gives great calves but rubbish cows

Have used adx down through the years but found the heifers went very beefy v early on me and decided against them for breeding

I've a good shot of ahz left and like you say I keep for heifers

tanko · 16-06-2019 11:17pm

Mac Taylor wrote: »

Hi bogman_bass, did you mean adx, I’ve kept 2 of my lmx cross (hca x fr) heifer calves as cows, the calved on their own and have a nice bag of milk, although one of them is questionable on docility which I think is coming from hca breeding rather than adx. Will be letting up 2 more this year.

HCA was a great bull, bred tanks of cattle but a lot of his calves had very poor docility.
Have one cow here off him, she's not very friendly for a few days after she calves.

squinn2912 · 19-06-2019 8:12pm

What’s your opinion on Ivor? Got three heifers just coming into the 280-285 days

Hard Knocks · 19-06-2019 9:58pm

squinn2912 wrote: »

What’s your opinion on Ivor? Got three heifers just coming into the 280-285 days

Is that LM4063?

squinn2912 · 19-06-2019 10:00pm

Hard Knocks wrote: »

Is that LM4063?

No LM2014

ABitofsense · 21-06-2019 10:31am

What AA bull are lads using for AAx 2nd & 3rd calvers? I have already used limousins on 1/2 the herd but father wants to add a few AA too. He has bulled 2 yesterday with AA2123

bogman_bass · 21-06-2019 8:22pm

Mac Taylor wrote: »

bogman_bass wrote: »

AHZ would be my pick from that but might be better saving by the straw for a heifer.
Add gives great calves but rubbish cows

Hi bogman_bass, did you mean adx, I’ve kept 2 of my lmx cross (hca x fr) heifer calves as cows, the calved on their own and have a nice bag of milk, although one of them is questionable on docility which I think is coming from hca breeding rather than adx. Will be letting up 2 more this year.

Sorry. Yeah ADX. Damn auto correct!

adne · 21-06-2019 10:50pm

Anyone using the Bova bull Loyal. Looks suitable for heifers

Lady Haywire · 22-06-2019 4:25pm

I've one March born Loyal calf. Looks a grand calf, not exceptionally muscley but shapey enough, touch short if anything.

Really liking the Cavelands Jolly heifer @ 2 weeks.

patsy_mccabe · 22-06-2019 4:51pm

That cavelands jolly heifer might make a good cow. He has the milk and fertility.

Lady Haywire · 22-06-2019 5:26pm

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

That cavelands jolly heifer might make a good cow. He has the milk and fertility.

She's earmarked for it anyway, depending on how she does.

sonnybill · 23-06-2019 12:41am

What do ye think of the Munster/progressive new 5star replacement limo Cross Liam out of Ronick Hawk? I was going to use him in am on a 16 year old cow that I’d like to get a heifer off of ?

patsy_mccabe · 23-06-2019 10:38am

sonnybill wrote: »

What do ye think of the Munster/progressive new 5star replacement limo Cross Liam out of Ronick Hawk? I was going to use him in am on a 16 year old cow that I’d like to get a heifer off of ?

Fine looking bull from his photo. I'd be a bit wary of his calving figure, but if cow is big and square I'd chance him.

sonnybill · 23-06-2019 12:46pm

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Fine looking bull from his photo. I'd be a bit wary of his calving figure, but if cow is big and square I'd chance him.

Great figures and she would calf anything , 7 char bulls on the trot .. went with KEZ sim though

adne · 23-06-2019 2:56pm

Lady Haywire wrote: »

I've one March born Loyal calf. Looks a grand calf, not exceptionally muscley but shapey enough, touch short if anything.

Really liking the Cavelands Jolly heifer @ 2 weeks.

Cheers. Put loyal on a ped heifer. Thinking calving ease first

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