How will schools be able to go back in September? (Continued)

wirelessdude01 · 29-09-2020 6:52pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Siblings and close contacts of a school case from outside of school who subsequently test positive would not be school cases as they were identified outside the school setting, and likely isolating due to contact for the few days prior to positive testing/ result. May account for some of the difference

A school case is any child who tests positive who is enrolled in a school.

I'm aware of a child who tested positive who hadn't been in school for a week. School sent out the HSE letter informing the entire school community of the positive case. This is HSE procedure for the first case in a school. No close contacts as they hadn't been in a school setting in the preceding 48hrs. This is still considered to be a school case though.

Supercell · 29-09-2020 6:57pm

My wife told me today that another mother of a child in my daughters primary school class told her that her transition year student child in another (secondary) school called her from the toilets of the school in hysterics.
Apparently there was another kid in the classroom coughing constantly and whom had told someone that they were waiting on test results.

Her mum told her to come home immediately and she would deal with it.

Turns out the child got a positive test result that day and the whole class was sent home and were waiting on an update from the Principal as to what to do next.
There are other cases in the same school also (not saying how many as it would be too obvious), I really think that they should shut the whole school, deep clean and reopen in two weeks time after all kids tested.

Mad stuff altogether, what kind of parent sends in a kid coughing their guts out and waiting on a test result?, just unreal.
Easy to see how this stuff spreads in such an environment.

29-09-2020 7:06pm

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Don't think you'll find any teacher having an issue with the above. Pods are total nonsense.

I'll describe my own class set up. Pod 1 is 1m away from pod 2. However some children in both pods 1 and 2 are leas than 1m distance away from some in pod 3.
Some in pod 3 are less than 1m distance from some in pods 4 and 5. Pods 4 and 5 are 1m apart.

Numbers in each pod should be increased until ye can come up with a workable number within the space. I understand in some rooms this would result in a single pod

wirelessdude01 · 29-09-2020 7:17pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Numbers in each pod should be increased until ye can come up with a workable number within the space. I understand in some rooms this would result in a single pod

Not possible due to space and layout of room.

wirelessdude01 · 29-09-2020 7:18pm

Supercell wrote: »

My wife told me today that another mother of a child in my daughters primary school class told her that her transition year student child in another (secondary) school called her from the toilets of the school in hysterics.
Apparently there was another kid in the classroom coughing constantly and whom had told someone that they were waiting on test results.

Her mum told her to come home immediately and she would deal with it.

Turns out the child got a positive test result that day and the whole class was sent home and were waiting on an update from the Principal as to what to do next.
There are other cases in the same school also (not saying how many as it would be too obvious), I really think that they should shut the whole school, deep clean and reopen in two weeks time after all kids tested.

Mad stuff altogether, what kind of parent sends in a kid coughing their guts out and waiting on a test result?, just unreal.
Easy to see how this stuff spreads in such an environment.

Irresponsible parents who just don't give a frig about others.

Newbie20 · 29-09-2020 7:27pm

irishblessing wrote: »

Thanks for that, will leave it so and see what comes. It was put on paper though in the reopening policy for the school, and nothing to that was amended so far. It's fairly warm today, and still the windows were closed because it being "too cold?" I could see in the gale force winds forecasted at the end of the week, but today? :rolleyes: I don't like the idea of them being closed all winter. Why aren't the gov't giving more funding then for extra heating since it was advice/recommended to ventilate rooms?

I would think the teachers should just come together in your school and insist that ye will only teach in rooms with windows (or at least 1 or 2) open. I won’t be teaching in a room with all the windows closed this year, no way. They can wear extra layers and toughen up. Ventilation has been shown to be extremely important.

appledrop · 29-09-2020 8:56pm

Right I've analysed the following data. Now by god I had to dig around to find this they don't make it easy!

Up to 4th April 4,014 cases broken down by age as follows:

0-4- 21 cases
5-14 33 cases
15-24 255 cases
25-34 678 cases
35-44 751 cases
45-54 764 cases
55-65 584 cases
65+ 918 cases
Unknown age 10

In contrast 14 day report 13th -26th Sep nearly same number of cases for comparison 4022 cases as follows:

0-4 114 cases
5-14 325 cases
15-24 984 cases
25-34 708 cases
35-44 576 cases
45-54 552 cases
55-64 375 cases
65+ 386 cases
Unknown age 2

Now that clearly shows the spread among preschool/ school kids. April 0-14 age group only had 1.3% of cases combined, by September its 10.88% of cases. 15-24 age group jumps from 6.3% of cases to 24.5% cases.

I'm sick and tired of hearing on news about house parties, restaurants etc all being blamed when it is as clear as day from stats that child/ teenagers are biggest increase at school.

Why is nobody in media reporting on this?

29-09-2020 9:27pm

appledrop wrote: »

Right I've analysed the following data. Now by god I had to dig around to find this they don't make it easy!

Up to 4th April 4,014 cases broken down by age as follows:

0-4- 21 cases
5-14 33 cases
15-24 255 cases
25-34 678 cases
35-44 751 cases
45-54 764 cases
55-65 584 cases
65+ 918 cases
Unknown age 10

In contrast 14 day report 13th -26th Sep nearly same number of cases for comparison 4022 cases as follows:

0-4 114 cases
5-14 325 cases
15-24 984 cases
25-34 708 cases
35-44 576 cases
45-54 552 cases
55-64 375 cases
65+ 386 cases
Unknown age 2

Now that clearly shows the spread among preschool/ school kids. April 0-14 age group only had 1.3% of cases combined, by September its 10.88% of cases. 15-24 age group jumps from 6.3% of cases to 24.5% cases.

I'm sick and tired of hearing on news about house parties, restaurants etc all being blamed when it is as clear as day from stats that child/ teenagers are biggest increase at school.

Why is nobody in media reporting on this?

You posted the exact same data on another thread yesterday, so I will post the exact same reply

Did you compare the 14 day incidence report from the 2nd of September? You know, when testing criteria was the same, but schools were not back?

meeeeh · 29-09-2020 9:36pm

appledrop wrote: »

Right I've analysed the following data. Now by god I had to dig around to find this they don't make it easy!

Up to 4th April 4,014 cases broken down by age as follows:

0-4- 21 cases
5-14 33 cases
15-24 255 cases
25-34 678 cases
35-44 751 cases
45-54 764 cases
55-65 584 cases
65+ 918 cases
Unknown age 10

In contrast 14 day report 13th -26th Sep nearly same number of cases for comparison 4022 cases as follows:

0-4 114 cases
5-14 325 cases
15-24 984 cases
25-34 708 cases
35-44 576 cases
45-54 552 cases
55-64 375 cases
65+ 386 cases
Unknown age 2

Now that clearly shows the spread among preschool/ school kids. April 0-14 age group only had 1.3% of cases combined, by September its 10.88% of cases. 15-24 age group jumps from 6.3% of cases to 24.5% cases.

I'm sick and tired of hearing on news about house parties, restaurants etc all being blamed when it is as clear as day from stats that child/ teenagers are biggest increase at school.

Why is nobody in media reporting on this?

That's nonsense comparison. In April only people with symptoms were tested and with significant symptoms at that. Now close contacts are tested often with no symptoms. Did you compare positivity rate of testing in April and now. The number of kids tested and the number of tests.

So the answer why nobody is reporting is because it's worthless comparison. Btw it's sad to see teachers in this thread are not able to understand statistical comparison should be made. I expected better at least from those in education.

appledrop · 29-09-2020 9:37pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

You posted the exact same data on another thread yesterday, so I will post the exact same reply

Did you compare the 14 day incidence report from the 2nd of September? You know, when testing criteria was the same, but schools were not back?

No because only 1, 577 cases in that 14 day period + I'm trying to compare similar numbers to show increase.

By the way creches open since end June for 0-4 age group.

29-09-2020 9:40pm

meeeeh wrote: »

That's nonsense comparison. In April only people with symptoms were tested and with significant symptoms at that. Now close contacts are tested often with no symptoms. Did you compare positivity rate of testing in April and now. The number of kids tested and the number of tests.

So the answer why nobody is reporting is because it's worthless comparison.

Usual suspects are thanking the post though even though anyone with any degree of critical thought can see it doesn’t hold water

29-09-2020 9:44pm

appledrop wrote: »

No because only 1, 577 cases in that 14 day period + I'm trying to compare similar numbers to show increase.

By the way creches open since end June for 0-4 age group.

Your contention is the rate of cases in school age groups has increased as a percentage and this is a result of schools returning, yet the % is identical to that before schools returned. April cannot be compared with September, testing criteria was completely different and most infections were happening in healthcare settings and essential workplaces, not places you find full of kids.

meeeeh · 29-09-2020 9:46pm

appledrop wrote: »

No because only 1, 577 cases in that 14 day period + I'm trying to compare similar numbers to show increase.

By the way creches open since end June for 0-4 age group.

Similar numbers but completely different test criteria. There were also more people dying then and a lot more people were in hospital. Can we then conclude that Covid is less severe now if we assume data is in any way comparable.

mcsean2163 · 29-09-2020 9:48pm

meeeeh wrote: »

That's nonsense comparison. In April only people with symptoms were tested and with significant symptoms at that. Now close contacts are tested often with no symptoms. Did you compare positivity rate of testing in April and now. The number of kids tested and the number of tests.

So the answer why nobody is reporting is because it's worthless comparison. Btw it's sad to see teachers in this thread are not able to understand statistical comparison should be made. I expected better at least from those in education.

You got there ahead of me.

Loss of smell wasn't even a symptom back then...

meeeeh · 29-09-2020 9:49pm

mcsean2163 wrote: »

You got there ahead of me.

Loss of smell wasn't even a symptom back then...

Neither were gastro issues for kids.

khalessi · 29-09-2020 9:50pm

meeeeh wrote: »

Btw it's sad to see teachers in this thread are not able to understand statistical comparison should be made. I expected better at least from those in education.

Ignorant remark from someone who holds himself in such high regard

Blondini · 29-09-2020 9:55pm

khalessi wrote: »

Ignorant remark from someone who holds himself in such high regard

Wouldn't worry about it, the know-it-all gang are all here tonight!

Pedagogical and mathematical experts apparently.

29-09-2020 10:00pm

Blondini wrote: »

Wouldn't worry about it, the know-it-all gang are all here tonight!

Pedagogical and mathematical experts apparently.

Classic hurler on the ditch sniping from the sidelines but never willing to actually come up with any critical analysis or original thoughts of their own. Go on, explain how the comparison made by the poster earlier is not a logical fallacy based on a false equivalence between two sets of data

meeeeh · 29-09-2020 10:00pm

Blondini wrote: »

Wouldn't worry about it, the know-it-all gang are all here tonight!

Pedagogical and mathematical experts apparently.

Actually the sad part is I'm not. It's basics anyone should be able to comprehend.

Blondini · 29-09-2020 10:04pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Classic hurler on the ditch sniping from the sidelines but never willing to actually come up with any critical analysis or original thoughts of their own. Go on, explain how the comparison made by the poster earlier is not a logical fallacy based on a false equivalence between two sets of data

Nah, not after you ended up crying the last time.

Night.

meeeeh · 29-09-2020 10:05pm

khalessi wrote: »

Ignorant remark from someone who holds himself in such high regard

Well it's herself. And yes I expect better.

BTW we did stuff like that in Sociology classes in high school which was one of the easy subjects. So yes I would expect people who teach others to know it's completely wrong comparison.

khalessi · 29-09-2020 10:07pm

meeeeh wrote: »

Well it's herself. And yes I expect better.

BTW we did stuff like that in Sociology classes in high school which was one of the easy subjects. So yes I would expect people who teach others to know it's completely wrong comparison.

HIgh school is different curriculum to Ireland. thanks for your input erroneous as it is

meeeeh · 29-09-2020 10:12pm

khalessi wrote: »

HIgh school is different curriculum to Ireland. thanks for your input erroneous as it is

Are you telling me critical thinking is something that's not taught in Ireland?

teachinggal123 · 29-09-2020 10:43pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Classic hurler on the ditch sniping from the sidelines but never willing to actually come up with any critical analysis or original thoughts of their own. Go on, explain how the comparison made by the poster earlier is not a logical fallacy based on a false equivalence between two sets of data

Can anyone arguing against this do what rand is asking?

Or is it just more smart ass replies and insults from the teachers.

History Queen · 29-09-2020 10:59pm

I've been mulling over my thoughts on schools reopening. I'm finding it difficult to articulate my feelings but confusion is probably the most apt description.

The attitude towards schools by the HSE/Government is very difficult to understand. On the one hand the need and desire for schools to stay open at full capacity is understandable, however the manner of their opening, in particular in relation to the lack of social distancing and crowded classrooms make it difficult to see them staying open successfully very long.

I find the contradictions regarding close contacts hard to understand yet, I cannot see whose interest it is in to put teachers and students at risk. I'm no conspiracy theorist, but even if I was, there is no benefit to the HSE or Government in having the virus spread more widely throughout the population. Therefore, I'm beginning to wonder have I misunderstood the risks? On the other hand I've read most of the official correspondence to schools re how to reopen and operate, much of it contradicts public health advice both here and abroad.

The point I am trying to make, in a rambling way admittedly, is that the root cause of my own worries is uncertainty. Lack of knowledge, lack of understanding as to why some of the decisions in the education sector have been taken and a lack of clear and rational communication from the Dept has hugely compounded an already stressful situation.

SusanC10 · 30-09-2020 7:14am

History Queen wrote: »

I've been mulling over my thoughts on schools reopening. I'm finding it difficult to articulate my feelings but confusion is probably the most apt description.

The attitude towards schools by the HSE/Government is very difficult to understand. On the one hand the need and desire for schools to stay open at full capacity is understandable, however the manner of their opening, in particular in relation to the lack of social distancing and crowded classrooms make it difficult to see them staying open successfully very long.

I find the contradictions regarding close contacts hard to understand yet, I cannot see whose interest it is in to put teachers and students at risk. I'm no conspiracy theorist, but even if I was, there is no benefit to the HSE or Government in having the virus spread more widely throughout the population. Therefore, I'm beginning to wonder have I misunderstood the risks? On the other hand I've read most of the official correspondence to schools re how to reopen and operate, much of it contradicts public health advice both here and abroad.

The point I am trying to make, in a rambling way admittedly, is that the root cause of my own worries is uncertainty. Lack of knowledge, lack of understanding as to why some of the decisions in the education sector have been taken and a lack of clear and rational communication from the Dept has hugely compounded an already stressful situation.

This is a fairly accurate summary of my thoughts.

s1ippy · 30-09-2020 7:29am

History Queen wrote: »

I've been mulling over my thoughts on schools reopening. I'm finding it difficult to articulate my feelings but confusion is probably the most apt description.

The attitude towards schools by the HSE/Government is very difficult to understand. On the one hand the need and desire for schools to stay open at full capacity is understandable, however the manner of their opening, in particular in relation to the lack of social distancing and crowded classrooms make it difficult to see them staying open successfully very long.

I find the contradictions regarding close contacts hard to understand yet, I cannot see whose interest it is in to put teachers and students at risk. I'm no conspiracy theorist, but even if I was, there is no benefit to the HSE or Government in having the virus spread more widely throughout the population. Therefore, I'm beginning to wonder have I misunderstood the risks? On the other hand I've read most of the official correspondence to schools re how to reopen and operate, much of it contradicts public health advice both here and abroad.

The point I am trying to make, in a rambling way admittedly, is that the root cause of my own worries is uncertainty. Lack of knowledge, lack of understanding as to why some of the decisions in the education sector have been taken and a lack of clear and rational communication from the Dept has hugely compounded an already stressful situation.

This is a very accurate post.

My take on it is that the government knows schools need to be open so that the country doesn't bankrupt itself. They also don't want to have to fund the system adequately (same with health service) or ensure spending on the right things. They definitely don't want to make the job more attractive or easier to get. I genuinely think public opinion has a lot to do with it. Even intelligent Irish people really have it in for teachers, it's like brainwashing combined with a self-fulfilling prophecy.

teachinggal123 wrote: »

Can anyone arguing against this do what rand is asking?

Or is it just more smart ass replies and insults from the teachers.

When you say "the teachers", are you including yourself because allegedly you are (albeit a self-professed terrible) one?

Schools will stay open by hook or by crook, until there are no more subs they have to close. That is going to be a dark time.

30-09-2020 8:30am

JimmyVik wrote: »

I know. So obviously a couple of shills in there.

Id love to know how much shills get paid these days.
Must ask them where you apply for the job. Could do with an extra few quid in the evenings

Cant make a reasoned argument for yourself - the othere must be shills

Posters such as wireless, irishblessing and history queen make reasoned arguments from genuine positions, while others snipe from the sidelines, attacking the posters who challenge views because they seem so insecure in their views as they cant even make a cogent argument. Nobody on this thread is 100% correct in their view, and everyone should be prepared to have their view challenged when someone finds genuine fault, real or perceived. And the number of thanks you get on a post does not make it correct, rather the ability to defend your position against reasoned argument

JimmyVik · 30-09-2020 8:33am

Deleted User wrote: »

Cant make a reasoned argument for yourself - the othere must be shills

Posters such as wireless, irishblessing and history queen make reasoned arguments from genuine positions, while others snipe from the sidelines, attacking the posters who challenge views because they seem so insecure in their views as they cant even make a cogent argument. Nobody on this thread is 100% correct in their view, and everyone should be prepared to have their view challenged when someone finds genuine fault, real or perceived. And the number of thanks you get on a post does not make it correct, rather the ability to defend your position against reasoned argument

You must be on overtime at this rate.

30-09-2020 8:46am

JimmyVik wrote: »

You must be on overtime at this rate.

Exhibit A

Beasty · 30-09-2020 8:56am

Deleted User wrote: »

Cant make a reasoned argument for yourself - the othere must be shills

Posters such as wireless, irishblessing and history queen make reasoned arguments from genuine positions, while others snipe from the sidelines, attacking the posters who challenge views because they seem so insecure in their views as they cant even make a cogent argument. Nobody on this thread is 100% correct in their view, and everyone should be prepared to have their view challenged when someone finds genuine fault, real or perceived. And the number of thanks you get on a post does not make it correct, rather the ability to defend your position against reasoned argument

Do not post in this thread again

facehugger99 · 30-09-2020 9:26am

Surely the phrase 'echo-chamber' needs to be added to the thread title?

Funsterdelux · 30-09-2020 9:34am

facehugger99 wrote: »

Surely the phrase 'echo-chamber' needs to be added to the thread title?

You can say that again

JimmyVik · 30-09-2020 9:36am

s1ippy wrote: »

This is a very accurate post.

My take on it is that the government knows schools need to be open so that the country doesn't bankrupt itself. They also don't want to have to fund the system adequately (same with health service) or ensure spending on the right things. They definitely don't want to make the job more attractive or easier to get. I genuinely think public opinion has a lot to do with it. Even intelligent Irish people really have it in for teachers, it's like brainwashing combined with a self-fulfilling prophecy.

When you say "the teachers", are you including yourself because allegedly you are (albeit a self-professed terrible) one?

Schools will stay open by hook or by crook, until there are no more subs they have to close. That is going to be a dark time.

I think you are 100% correct on this.
I believe they are trying to balance the spread of virus with the health of the economy.

What I dont like is that they are bending the rules that are supposed to make places safe for staff and customers elsewhere, so that they dont have to apply them to teachers and students. That is the crime. And they wont even be honest about it. The silence on it is deafening.

30-09-2020 9:52am

s1ippy wrote: »

............

My take on it is that the government knows schools need to be open so that the country doesn't bankrupt itself.................

I think that the government are very keen to keep schools open as it would be massively detrimental to the student population to do anything else.

From their actions to date they don't seem overly bothered about the financial impact of restrictions relative to the public health impact.

30-09-2020 10:01am

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0928/1168063-paul-reid-covid-committee/

4,328 children and teachers have been tested and the positivity rate in school cases has been 1.9%

80 odd cases in schools so far.................. doesn't seem loony high

Boggles · 30-09-2020 10:14am

Augeo wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0928/1168063-paul-reid-covid-committee/

4,328 children and teachers have been tested and the positivity rate in school cases has been 1.9%

80 odd cases in schools so far.................. doesn't seem loony high

Of course it doesn't.

But when you look at the actual number of kids who have tested positive in that time frame the only logical conclusion is the majority of Irish children testing positive are now home schooled. Weird that.

Also if they have only tested 4000 odd kids since the start of September, the positive rate among-st kids is around 15%. 5 times higher than the rest of the population.

None of the "figures" Reid provided makes any sense.

Jucifer · 30-09-2020 10:26am

Augeo wrote: »

From their actions to date they don't seem overly bothered about the financial impact of restrictions relative to the public health impact.

I don’t know, having the schools and crèches back open has had a huge impact on the ability of people in my workplace to do a full days work.

That said, I don’t think it is fair on teachers to be put in a situation where they are clearly expected to be close contacts with children from over 20 households (at least in primary schools where it is impossible for the teachers to fully social distance and still teach). Whereas in hospitals staff who have nothing to do with Covid are 100% protected to the extent that a couple from the same appointment can’t come in for a pregnancy scan together. Developmental checks on infants are cancelled, routine screening appointments are cancelled. None of there things require any contact with other patients and full PPE can be used.

I really don’t get the discrepancy between the treatment of healthcare staff and teachers.

Blondini · 30-09-2020 10:27am

Augeo wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0928/1168063-paul-reid-covid-committee/

4,328 children and teachers have been tested and the positivity rate in school cases has been 1.9%

80 odd cases in schools so far.................. doesn't seem loony high

According to Paul Reid yesterday there were 264 cases.

https://www.thejournal.ie/schools-testing-covid-5217543-Sep2020/

wirelessdude01 · 30-09-2020 10:32am

Blondini wrote: »

According to Paul Reid yesterday there were 264 cases.

https://www.thejournal.ie/schools-te...17543-Sep2020/

Yet there have been nearly 900 cases reported in the age range 5-14 since schools went back according to the figures reported. This doesn't include the majority of 2nd level children as they are included in the 15-24 age range.

Figures all here.

https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/surveillance/covid-1914-dayepidemiologyreports/

30-09-2020 10:35am

Blondini wrote: »

According to Paul Reid yesterday there were 264 cases.

https://www.thejournal.ie/schools-testing-covid-5217543-Sep2020/

"THE HSE HAS said more than 4,000 children and teachers have been tested for the coronavirus since schools re-opened, with 264 cases in total linked to schools."

That would be the 80 odd cases passing the virus on....... R number is about 1.7.

History Queen · 30-09-2020 10:38am

The lack of funding in our education system being highlighted by the OECD

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/education/many-secondary-students-lack-access-to-online-learning-amid-covid-19-pandemic-1.4367612?mode=amp

Boggles · 30-09-2020 10:38am

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1310877110051975168

5 days waiting for contact tracing

Parent had to ring a principal to notify them their child was positive.

HSE document sent to schools doesn't include a data entry for phone numbers.

These are no longer random anecdotal problems being highlighted, a clear pattern is emerging.

We are averaging less than 1 test per school in the country since schools went back.

Meanwhile.

He also confirmed that 3,000 tests for Covid-19 were carried out across 29 meat plants last week

Maybe school staff should get part time jobs in meat plants.

Icyseanfitz · 30-09-2020 10:42am

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Yet there have been nearly 900 cases reported in the age range 5-14 since schools went back according to the figures reported. This doesn't include the majority of 2nd level children as they are included in the 15-24 age range.

Figures all here.

https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/surveillance/covid-1914-dayepidemiologyreports/

Catching it in pubs clearly

30-09-2020 10:43am

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Yet there have been nearly 900 cases reported in the age range 5-14 since schools went back according to the figures reported. This doesn't include the majority of 2nd level children as they are included in the 15-24 age range.

Figures all here.

https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/surveillance/covid-1914-dayepidemiologyreports/

02nd to 15th Sep 243 cases
15th Sep to 28th Sep 321 cases
That's 564 cases.......... I doubt there was 300 cases yesterday in the age range 5-14.

It is quite reasonable to accept hundreds of kids are getting it from adults and not at school.

wirelessdude01 · 30-09-2020 10:50am

Augeo wrote: »

02nd to 15th Sep 243 cases
15th Sep to 28th Sep 321 cases
That's 564 cases.......... I doubt there was 300 cases yesterday in the age range 5-14.

It is quite reasonable to accept hundreds of kids are getting it from adults and not at school.

Apologies, I quoted the 15-24 number in error.

s1ippy · 30-09-2020 10:50am

Augeo wrote: »

02nd to 15th Sep 243 cases
15th Sep to 28th Sep 321 cases
That's 564 cases.......... I doubt there was 300 cases yesterday in the age range 5-14.

It is quite reasonable to accept hundreds of kids are getting it from adults and not at school.

What are you on about, how can you assume that??

30-09-2020 10:55am

Augeo wrote: »

02nd to 15th Sep 243 cases
15th Sep to 28th Sep 321 cases
That's 564 cases.......... I doubt there was 300 cases yesterday in the age range 5-14.

It is quite reasonable to accept hundreds of kids are getting it from adults and not at school.

s1ippy wrote: »

What are you on about, how can you assume that??

Ok, I'll tell you a little story.
Other halves sister is in school. A classmate was tested as her ole lad contracted covid, she tested negative but if she'd tested positive that case would not have been linked to a school.

Of the thousands of folk testing positive loads of them have kids and their kids are contracting Covid from them.

Hence why there are 80 ish positive teachers and students with a further 180 cases linked to schools

Really simple when you look at all the data and join the dots.

Folk here think that all 264 cases in total linked to schools rubbishes the 4,328 children and teachers have been tested and the positivity rate in school cases has been 1.9%......80 odd cases in schools so far data.

It doesn't............ the 80 odd cases from schools passed it on to another 180 people (perhaps the parents, teacher's partner shocker)

Kids can contract covid outside of school, R number is 1.7 ........... 1000 cases a week so that's a few hundred kids that get if from one of the thousand......... shocker.

s1ippy · 30-09-2020 10:59am

Augeo wrote: »

Ok, I'll tell you a little story.
Other halves sister is in school. A classmate was tested as her ole lad contracted covid, she tested negative but if she'd tested positive that case would not have been linked to a school.

Of the thousands of folk testing positive loads of them have kids and their kids are contracting Covid from them.

Hence why there are 80 ish positive teachers and students with a further 180 cases linked to schools

Really simple when you look at all the data and join the dots.

Folk here think that all 264 cases in total linked to schools rubbishes the 4,328 children and teachers have been tested and the positivity rate in school cases has been 1.9%......80 odd cases in schools so far data.

It doesn't............ the 80 odd cases from schools passed it on to another 180 people (perhaps the parents, teacher's partner shocker)

Kids can contract covid outside of school, R number is 1.7 ........... 1000 cases a week so that's a few hundred kids that get if from one of the thousand......... shocker.

Yes, absolutely. But if you look at homes, there are only between 2 and probably 8 people you can catch it from. In school there are thousands. Which place has more variables?

Your anecdote would not be applicable in the vast majority of cases.

Boggles · 30-09-2020 11:04am

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1311241672395816961

How will schools be able to go back in September? (Continued)

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