Breeding Hoggetts-Store Lamb Prices etc

Western Pomise · 15-07-2020 10:50am #1

Decided to set up this thread,as the Factory Prices thread has lot of conversations in it the last while apart from just doing its job of giving people a chance to see what lambs are worth to factories each week iykwim.

This thread could be a place where people give reports on prices they have seen in Marts from now on.....prices for different types of Store lambs,up into lambs bought for killing from the marts and prices given ffor breeding hoggetts,breeding ewes and cull ewes.
Hope it was ok to do this mods:)

Lambman · 15-07-2020 7:53pm

33kgs lambs €80-€85. Any fat ewes over 80kg are €100 up till €139 for 96kg ewes. That's Saturday prices I got wasnt at mart just left them off so that's all I know. Mad prices but I cudn justify not selling at those prices. Grass everywere here so I rented it out for grazing. Lambs never seen meal. Lambs never needed till be cliked or dipped. I still need grazers so thinking on lighter fat ewes till be honest it's a far steadier market than lambs and good farmed ewes but thin were supposed be easy bought. 80kg supposed be the magic number €100 + anything less could be any price.

kk.man · 17-07-2020 10:47am

I see that Borris ewe breeders are on 15th of August (1st sale) and Tullow 1st sale is on 5th August.

jfh · 17-07-2020 8:29pm

kk.man wrote: »

I see that Borris ewe breeders are on 15th of August (1st sale) and Tullow 1st sale is on 5th August.

What are these sales like?

kk.man · 17-07-2020 9:12pm

jfh wrote: »

What are these sales like?

They are top quality hogget ewes and lambs bred specially for the occasion.

DJ98 · 17-07-2020 9:56pm

https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/pics-and-prices-buyers-travel-for-borris-ewe-breeders-show-and-sale/

thelegend1979 · 17-07-2020 11:30pm

Bought nice suffolk cross hoggets privately this week for 170. Werent pumped with meal last winter but had a good run on dry land.The way the lamb trade is was happy enough to pay that price.

Dinzee Conlee · 17-07-2020 11:51pm

DJ98 wrote: »

https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/pics-and-prices-buyers-travel-for-borris-ewe-breeders-show-and-sale/

What exactly is a Borris ewe, what’s the breeding?
Looking at the pics there, they seem more Suffolky than I would have thought...

DJ98 · 18-07-2020 12:00am

Dinzee Conlee wrote: »

What exactly is a Borris ewe, what’s the breeding?
Looking at the pics there, they seem more Suffolky than I would have thought...

Suffolk ram put to cheviot ewes, always achieve premium prices

farawaygrass · 18-07-2020 6:10am

Thinking Of heading to the the sale if don’t have anything picked up in the mean time. What kind of money would they go roughly?

weatherbyfoxer · 18-07-2020 11:04am

Dinzee Conlee wrote: »

What exactly is a Borris ewe, what’s the breeding?
Looking at the pics there, they seem more Suffolky than I would have thought...

suffolk ram over cheviot ewes to produce speckled face borris type ewe lambs..the most over rated hoggets you can buy in my opinion. huge,wild ewes that are hard handle that will scan 1.6 as hoggets and 1.8 at very best in ideal conditions..the bigger and fatter they are the more you will pay also face marking draw extra money too..if you decide to go to any of the show sales this year to buy the more stylish ones be prepared to pay..€200+...that my honest opinion on having them here.id never buy another but so lads swear by them..they will wean around 1.5 good square lambs if put to a decent continental type ram

farming93 · 19-07-2020 7:58am

Ram lambs wanted for export in carnew mart. 43kg plus. Not sure regarding prices just seen it on fb.

Bleating Lamb · 19-07-2020 4:31pm

farming93 wrote: »

Ram lambs wanted for export in carnew mart. 43kg plus. Not sure regarding prices just seen it on fb.

They might be heading out to Italy as Italy are buying strong ram lambs.

Lambman · 20-07-2020 3:51pm

Borris hoggets get snapped up by purebred men for ET big roomy ewes till let the lamb grow inside and any ewe will have enough milk till rear a lamb getting creeped from as early as it can eat.

ganmo · 20-07-2020 10:23pm

Lambman wrote: »

Borris hoggets get snapped up by purebred men for ET big roomy ewes till let the lamb grow inside and any ewe will have enough milk till rear a lamb getting creeped from as early as it can eat.

Theres hardly much ET going on in sheep in Ireland is there?

jd06 · 20-07-2020 11:00pm

ganmo wrote: »

Theres hardly much ET going on in sheep in Ireland is there?

Wouldn't think so, most PB breeders are lambing at Christmas or before
Want to be going to the ram shortly
Most breeders sales arnt till the middle of August or after

RobinBanks · 21-07-2020 8:30am

I contacted a local prominent sheep farmer to enquire about purchasing PB ewe lambs. he has Suffolk, Texel and Char. Prices start at €500. I got a wild shock! I was expecting maybe €200, shows how little i know about sheep!

Bleating Lamb · 21-07-2020 11:20pm

RobinBanks wrote: »

I contacted a local prominent sheep farmer to enquire about purchasing PB ewe lambs. he has Suffolk, Texel and Char. Prices start at €500. I got a wild shock! I was expecting maybe €200, shows how little i know about sheep!

Commercial sheep are up at least 15% on last year prices wise so Pedigree Breeders won’t be giving away many cheap stock this year I would imagine.

charolais0153 · 22-07-2020 7:30pm

Seen mule ewe lambs still on the ewe and a creep feeder in with them today:)

Western Pomise · 23-07-2020 9:38am

thelegend1979 wrote: »

Bought nice suffolk cross hoggets privately this week for 170. Werent pumped with meal last winter but had a good run on dry land.The way the lamb trade is was happy enough to pay that price.

They would not be out of the way price wise....I saw what I would consider to be big very plain Suffolk x hoggetts bought by a cousin in Ballina that cost €175.

It will be interesting to see if prices stay up for hoggetts when the traditional time for selling them of late August on comes as that current buyer from up Midlands who wants December or January lambs from hoggetts will be gone from competing for buying hoggetts iykwim.

Personally I think they will keep up in price because there is a huge growth of grass in last fortnight,farmers with nice ewe lambs don’t have to be in any rush out to sell them,so farmers looking to buy 10,20 or even 50 hoggetts for breeding (depending on their flock size) will have competition to buy them imo.While a reduction in price can be expected for store lambs being bought to fatten for factory can be expected when bigger numbers come out I reckon you will see breeding ewe lambs and hoggetts remain a good trade into September.

What do others think....will prices tail off or sustain themselves into September?.

kk.man · 23-07-2020 11:39am

Western Pomise wrote: »

They would not be out of the way price wise....I saw what I would consider to be big very plain Suffolk x hoggetts bought by a cousin in Ballina that cost €175.

It will be interesting to see if prices stay up for hoggetts when the traditional time for selling them of late August on comes as that current buyer from up Midlands who wants December or January lambs from hoggetts will be gone from competing for buying hoggetts iykwim.

Personally I think they will keep up in price because there is a huge growth of grass in last fortnight,farmers with nice ewe lambs don’t have to be in any rush out to sell them,so farmers looking to buy 10,20 or even 50 hoggetts for breeding (depending on their flock size) will have competition to buy them imo.While a reduction in price can be expected for store lambs being bought to fatten for factory can be expected when bigger numbers come out I reckon you will see breeding ewe lambs and hoggetts remain a good trade into September.

What do others think....will prices tail off or sustain themselves into September?.

Around these parts Hoggets are up a good 20e on last year. I am expecting a few records to be broken at the specialist breeding sales around here.
The lamb trade has been unreal for this time of the year coupled with if you sell a big cull for say 125e it makes purchasing her replacement Borris type very doable.

Lambman · 23-07-2020 2:16pm

Is that a serious question about not much ET in ireland? After a quick think I could name a dozen breeders around me that does it and I could be in any off threre yards in less than 20 mins. #edit I'd saybif I thought on it I'd get 20

thelegend1979 · 23-07-2020 2:57pm

I think breeders will be very expensive this year. Lamb prices are well up and culls a good trade and no better man than the farmer to give the extra money back. Its always been the same.Saw hoggets making well over the 200 mark last year. Good suffolks and texel crosses. 2 pens of hoggets in tuam on tuesday. one pen of nice texel crosses with a few plain hoggets through them sold for 174. A pen of light hoggets went for 160 plus. Dealers were the main bidders as its a bit early.

ganmo · 23-07-2020 3:07pm

Lambman wrote: »

Is that a serious question about not much ET in ireland? After a quick think I could name a dozen breeders around me that does it and I could be in any off threre yards in less than 20 mins. #edit I'd saybif I thought on it I'd get 20

All the same breed or different ones?

Lambman · 23-07-2020 4:00pm

ganmo wrote: »

All the same breed or different ones?

Texel mostly closely followed by Suffolk.

jd06 · 27-07-2020 11:57am

39kgs stores 90 euro back on other weeks
No meal

Dickie10 · 27-07-2020 10:49pm

first load of store lambs arriving tonight from Kenmare.

jfh · 28-07-2020 7:49am

Dickie10 wrote: »

first load of store lambs arriving tonight from Kenmare.

What were they like dickie10?

memorystick · 28-07-2020 8:47am

Western Pomise wrote: »

Decided to set up this thread,as the Factory Prices thread has lot of conversations in it the last while apart from just doing its job of giving people a chance to see what lambs are worth to factories each week iykwim.

This thread could be a place where people give reports on prices they have seen in Marts from now on.....prices for different types of Store lambs,up into lambs bought for killing from the marts and prices given ffor breeding hoggetts,breeding ewes and cull ewes.
Hope it was ok to do this mods:)

And there’s no conversation in this one!

Robson99 · 28-07-2020 1:20pm

Dickie10 wrote: »

first load of store lambs arriving tonight from Kenmare.

How are they looking this year Dickie ?
You seemed to have a nice bunch last year. Hopefully they left a pound

Lambman · 28-07-2020 7:10pm

Just after forking out 7k on 44 hoggets bought privately 90% black and brown faced Suffolk x never seen meal good framed ewes.

Jimbo789 · 28-07-2020 8:37pm

Roscommon Mart breeding ewes & hoggets sales are starting Saturday.

Dickie10 · 28-07-2020 10:45pm

kenmare stores arrived nice lambs mostly tight wool suffolk cross, ewes and weathers. all Bantry,Beara and Killarney and Kilgarven. bought 99 on that load.

Average weight 31.5 kg , average price 70.30 euro

Dickie10 · 28-07-2020 10:47pm

Here’s docket

weatherbyfoxer · 29-07-2020 12:38pm

was in tullow yeasterday, suffolk x hoggets 185-205.there was a clearance sale of 120 Suffolk x ewes after the hoggets 2-3s 220 3-4s 190 and 4-5s 170..generally throughout the whole sale bigger the ewe bigger the price regardless of age,marking or appearance

memorystick · 29-07-2020 3:40pm

Dickie10 wrote: »

kenmare stores arrived nice lambs mostly tight wool suffolk cross, ewes and weathers. all Bantry,Beara and Killarney and Kilgarven. bought 99 on that load.

Average weight 31.5 kg , average price 70.30 euro

Are they the roaming type? Best of luck

Bleating Lamb · 29-07-2020 5:27pm

weatherbyfoxer wrote: »

was in tullow yeasterday, suffolk x hoggets 185-205.there was a clearance sale of 120 Suffolk x ewes after the hoggets 2-3s 220 3-4s 190 and 4-5s 170..generally throughout the whole sale bigger the ewe bigger the price regardless of age,marking or appearance

They must have being nice ewes,had they a little bit of white in the face?

I find that the Suffolk cross ewe with two White dots, one each side of her nose make great mothers with good milk etc.
The reality is as long as Suffolk x ewes aren’t too big and raw looking they kill out very well as culls so likely buyers were taking account of that.

Dickie10 · 29-07-2020 9:02pm

memorystick wrote: »

Are they the roaming type? Best of luck

no suffolk cross mostly

kk.man · 29-07-2020 9:02pm

Bleating Lamb wrote: »

They must have being nice ewes,had they a little bit of white in the face?

I find that the Suffolk cross ewe with two White dots, one each side of her nose make great mothers with good milk etc.
The reality is as long as Suffolk x ewes aren’t too big and raw looking they kill out very well as culls so likely buyers were taking account of that.

They like big hoggets in Tullow alright.

weatherbyfoxer · 29-07-2020 11:24pm

Bleating Lamb wrote: »

They must have being nice ewes,had they a little bit of white in the face?

I find that the Suffolk cross ewe with two White dots, one each side of her nose make great mothers with good milk etc.
The reality is as long as Suffolk x ewes aren’t too big and raw looking they kill out very well as culls so likely buyers were taking account of that.

the face marking made no difference yeasterday,i picked out a couple pens of near pure Suffolks to have a go at in the ring but got blown out of the bidding within a few seconds..ill never understand lads paying big money for hogget ewes that are stuffed with meal...

charolais0153 · 29-07-2020 11:28pm

weatherbyfoxer wrote: »

the face marking made no difference yeasterday,i picked out a couple pens of near pure Suffolks to have a go at in the ring but got blown out of the bidding within a few seconds..ill never understand lads paying big money for hogget ewes that are stuffed with meal...

I've bought good ewes and bad ewes give me good any day.
What makes ya think they're on meal :rolleyes:

weatherbyfoxer · 30-07-2020 11:13am

charolais0153 wrote: »

I've bought good ewes and bad ewes give me good any day.
What makes ya think they're on meal :rolleyes:

knowing some of the farms they have come off some could be fed meal twice a day for the past few weeks

Lambman · 01-08-2020 4:38am

Agree 100% madness buying fed hoggets now till go and lose condition before going to the ram or if they keep to good off condition guranteed she will scan with a single. I know theres no science behind it but always seems till be the way it happens here anyways.

Dinzee Conlee · 01-08-2020 7:10am

Lambman wrote: »

Agree 100% madness buying fed hoggets now till go and lose condition before going to the ram or if they keep to good off condition guranteed she will scan with a single. I know theres no science behind it but always seems till be the way it happens here anyways.

Well - flushing ewes to get a good lamb crop means putting them on a rising nutrition diet before going to the ram isn’t it?
If you bought meal fed hoggets, and then put them on grass before they go to the ram - it’s kinda the opposite...

Bleating Lamb · 01-08-2020 10:50pm

Was showing some Suffolk x store ewe lambs in Dowra yday,twin lambs around 32 kg....not real showy types...made €85 ....was dead happy....those type lambs def up 7 or 8 euro on last year.
Weren’t any exceptional ewe lambs in it....prob bit early yet.....saw softish Mayo horned ewe lambs make €115 or €116....very dear I thought,saw a nice pen of sprickled face lambs make €99.
Good ewe lambs valuable this year....did not wait for them but were some lovely Mountain x hoggetts near end of sale....not overdone,had nice heads,heard after they made €170 and €164.....not mad dear considering price of ewe lambs.
Oul thin cull ewes were great trade....anything with a heartbeat making €40.

kk.man · 01-08-2020 11:01pm

Going through some of my ewe hoggets for the sales and noticed a few dirty rear ends. Any tips on how to make them clean looking?

wrangler · 02-08-2020 8:32am

kk.man wrote: »

Going through some of my ewe hoggets for the sales and noticed a few dirty rear ends. Any tips on how to make them clean looking?

We got very wet weather before our clearance sale that made them very dirty, We used the power washer and sheep suds, it did a lovely job and didn't strip the oil. It takes a bit of time to soften the dung though and do it right and it's hard work, like we had 350 ewes to prepare for the clearance sale

https://www.fanevalleystores.com/categories/sheep/showing/shampoos/products/28614/Showtime-Sheep-Suds-Shampoo

AntrimGlens · 05-08-2020 10:58am

Start of the breeding sales up here last Saturday

Suff Chev hoggets and ewe lambs:
An excellent entry of 2600 hoggets and ewe lambs at the first of the season's breeding sheep sales at Ballymena Mart met a superb trade with averages up across the board.
Hoggets saw averages increase by £22 per head to £179.59 for 2048 forward and sold to £232 per head for a pen of Texels presented by JR Currie and to £230 for a pen of Suff/Chev hoggets from P Donnelly.
Ewe lamb averages rose by £18 per head to £115.73 and sold to £198 for a tremendous pen of Suff/Chev ewe lambs presented by L Anderson.

Leading prices are as follows Hoggets:-
6 Tex £232, 10 SX £230, 12 SX £225, 11 SX £225, 10 SX £220, 10 SX £210, 10 SX £210, 12 SX £205,
Leading hogget averages D Gibson 121 ave £198, P Fonnelly 124 ave £196.29, D McFarland 100 ave £193.42, W Blackburn 193 ave £191.87, M Breen 80 ave £190.71).

Ewe Lambs - 12 S/C @ £198, 10 @ £172,12 Tex Mule @ £152, 15 S/C @ £148, 12 S/C @ £144, 12 S/M @ £142,

orm0nd · 05-08-2020 8:08pm

Bought 45 Suffolk x mule hoggett ewes today

190 each and 70 luck penny on the bunch.

Nice lengthy sheep, not overally tall, good width, and very quite.

An agent put me in touch with the seller and over 7 and half hours driving round trip but worth the effort to get a bundle together.

razor8 · 05-08-2020 9:50pm

orm0nd wrote: »

Bought 45 Suffolk x mule hoggett ewes today

190 each and 70 luck penny on the bunch.

Nice lengthy sheep, not overally tall, good width, and very quite.

An agent put me in touch with the seller and over 7 and half hours driving round trip but worth the effort to get a bundle together.

Any pictures?

orm0nd · 06-08-2020 6:32am

razor8 wrote: »

Any pictures?

Dropped them on the outfarm.

Can get a few next week. Away with herself for a couple of days.

Breeding Hoggetts-Store Lamb Prices etc

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