Peter Casey's beliefs of Travellers' ethnicity Part II

DChancer · 06-11-2018 12:32pm

Briella Tender Shark wrote: »

In addition to being the best candidate by a mile

A "fact" the electors who voted disagree with on, since he was emphatically beaten by MD who even on the lowest turnout in a Presidential election managed to garner the highest ever number of votes in a Presidential Election.

DChancer · 06-11-2018 12:33pm

Mrsmum wrote: »

Doing the maths - so every other candidates' share of votes went down while Casey's shot up.

No
Michael D actually increased his share of the vote over what he received in 2011

DChancer · 06-11-2018 12:34pm

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

I can do maths (I think)

Over 74% of those eligible to vote DID NOT vote for MDH.

Almost 90% of those eligible to vote DID NOT vote for the Casey!

06-11-2018 12:35pm

Mrsmum wrote: »

Doing the maths - so every other candidates' share of votes went down while Casey's shot up.

Ah stats, gotta love em!

06-11-2018 12:37pm

DChancer wrote: »

Almost 90% of those eligible to vote DID NOT vote for the Casey!

He’s not the president! Doesn’t look very good that 74% of the electorate didn’t vote for our poetic leader.

nullzero · 06-11-2018 12:38pm

Has the Irish fascist party led by Furher Casey begun its coup yet?

Idbatterim · 06-11-2018 12:41pm

nullzero wrote: »

Has the Irish fascist party led by Furher Casey begun its coup yet?

Not yet but we are hopeful for liberation from the ff fg axis of scum shortly !

FrancieBrady · 06-11-2018 12:41pm

Here is a perfect example of why I so vociferously object to Casey's style of doing politics.

Here is a UKIP MEP doing exactly what Casey did, he takes the truth and he twists it to unleash hate speech/toxic comment that is primarily useless to any democratic worthwhile outcomes.

https://twitter.com/DavidCoburnUKip/status/1059737048251359232

We should resist this type of politics at all costs.

Idbatterim · 06-11-2018 12:44pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Here is a perfect example of why I so vociferously object to Casey's style of doing politics.

Here is a UKIP MP doing exactly what Casey did, he takes the truth and he twists it to unleash hate speech/toxic comment that is primarily useless to any democratic worthwhile outcomes.

https://twitter.com/DavidCoburnUKip/status/1059737048251359232

We should resist this type of politics at all costs.

That is entirely different, stop talking crap. Casey wasn’t trying to be inflammatory, he was asked a question and replied with the answer that hundreds of thousands of us would have! I don’t understand the furore, the entire media and political system here is on the left, what’s the problem with another voice, a moderate one in my opinion. Does it scare you or cause offence?

nullzero · 06-11-2018 12:45pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Here is a perfect example of why I so vociferously object to Casey's style of doing politics.

Here is a UKIP MEP doing exactly what Casey did, he takes the truth and he twists it to unleash hate speech/toxic comment that is primarily useless to any democratic worthwhile outcomes.

https://twitter.com/DavidCoburnUKip/status/1059737048251359232

We should resist this type of politics at all costs.

There's a considerable difference between what's being said by that individual and what Casey said.
Ukip are a bunch of xenophobic loonies for starters, anti Irish sentiment is still rife amongst certain demographics in England and this guy is playing to it.

blanch152 · 06-11-2018 12:48pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Here is a perfect example of why I so vociferously object to Casey's style of doing politics.

Here is a UKIP MEP doing exactly what Casey did, he takes the truth and he twists it to unleash hate speech/toxic comment that is primarily useless to any democratic worthwhile outcomes.

https://twitter.com/DavidCoburnUKip/status/1059737048251359232

We should resist this type of politics at all costs.

Silly comparison.

Idbatterim · 06-11-2018 12:51pm

nullzero wrote: »

There's a considerable difference between what's being said by that individual and what Casey said.
Ukip are a bunch of xenophobic loonies for starters, anti Irish sentiment is still rife amongst certain demographics in England and this guy is playing to it.

In fairness he got the bit about the banana republic right. Our shower of morons here are laughable ... over there their politicians are of a far higher standard and will actually take positions, unlike our shower of populist wasters here!

DChancer · 06-11-2018 12:52pm

nullzero wrote: »

Has the Irish fascist party led by Furher Casey begun its coup yet?

Sadly no, it Petered out due to lack of interest among the electorate barely 10% of whom were enthused enough to vote for him

FrancieBrady · 06-11-2018 12:54pm

Idbatterim wrote: »

That is entirely different, stop talking crap. Casey wasn’t trying to be inflammatory, he was asked a question and replied with the answer that hundreds of thousands of us would have! I don’t understand the furore, the entire media and political system here is on the left, what’s the problem with another voice, a moderate one in my opinion. Does it scare you or cause offence?

He wasn't asked a question about, travellers or SEMS. Yet his campaign, according to here, is all about travellers and Sems.

What scares me and any other democrat is the stirring of prejudice and bias. There is nothing 'moderate' about targeting one community to attempt to get elected.
Ask any marginalised community in the world about that. Ask people of Casey's era in Derry about it even.

FrancieBrady · 06-11-2018 12:54pm

Idbatterim wrote: »

In fairness he got the bit about the banana republic right. Our shower of morons here are laughable ... over there their politicians are of a far higher standard and will actually take positions, unlike our shower of populist wasters here!

QED. My point perfectly demonstrated. Thank you.

FrancieBrady · 06-11-2018 12:55pm

nullzero wrote: »

There's a considerable difference between what's being said by that individual and what Casey said.
Ukip are a bunch of xenophobic loonies for starters, anti Irish sentiment is still rife amongst certain demographics in England and this guy is playing to it.

There is no difference in it's intent. IMO

Idbatterim · 06-11-2018 12:57pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

He wasn't asked a question about, travellers or SEMS. Yet his campaign, according to here, is all about travellers and Sems.

What scares me and any other democrat is the stirring of prejudice and bias. There is nothing 'moderate' about targeting one community to attempt to get elected.
Ask any marginalised community in the world about that. Ask people of Casey's era in Derry about it even.

he hit the nail on the head when he said government were doing nothing for workers either... he made a comment, it was the media that wouldn’t let it go and kick up blue murder. Because it achieves their aim of division , selling papers and clickbait!

FrancieBrady · 06-11-2018 1:00pm

Idbatterim wrote: »

he hit the nail on the head when he said government were doing nothing for workers either...

There are plenty saying that.

he made a comment, it was the media that wouldn’t let it go and kick up blue murder. Because it achieves their aim of division , selling papers and clickbait!

Man generalising about and selling mis-information about one community is not being divisive? :rolleyes:

Edward M · 06-11-2018 1:11pm

It's a pity Casey couldn't have made his case earlier. But then the councils would never have backed him anyway I suppose, he'll have a longer campaign before a GE.

Plumbthedepths · 06-11-2018 1:13pm

DChancer wrote:

Your post does not address my point, I have no issues with Councils nominating candidates, my point is that to be a candidate you should have to have been tax resident in this state for at least two years before seeking election, thus stopping cheap forigen imports from stirring shÃte for the craic.

You still denying Casey is Irish? You do know he was born in Derry holds an Irish passport. He is also subject to tax on any income earned here as a green card holder and further subject to dual tax treaties. You really are coming across as xenophobic, and clearly clueless to taxation laws and the right of citizenship. Best you have a little think before you post .

Plumbthedepths · 06-11-2018 1:15pm

FrancieBrady wrote:

Higgins 55.8% Casey 23.5% Gallagher 6.4% Ni Riada 6.3% Freeman 5.6% Duffy 2.1%

Considering the fact she had a sizeable party organisation behind her Ni Riada was the biggest looser in reality and by virtue of that SF. The very ones who caused the election campaign.

Roger Hassenforder · 06-11-2018 1:17pm

DChancer wrote: »

Your post does not address my point, I have no issues with Councils nominating candidates, my point is that to be a candidate you should have to have been tax resident in this state for at least two years before seeking election, thus stopping cheap forigen imports from stirring shíte for the craic.

Its not a debate, its a discussion.
Looking at changing rules post election because you didnt like the outcome. Yer both at it.

Plumbthedepths · 06-11-2018 1:17pm

FrancieBrady wrote:

Here is a UKIP MEP doing exactly what Casey did, he takes the truth and he twists it to unleash hate speech/toxic comment that is primarily useless to any democratic worthwhile outcomes.

Apples and orchards, nice try though.

Roger Hassenforder · 06-11-2018 1:21pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Here is the first poll of the campaign
Higgins 67%
Gallagher 15%
UnNamed SF candidate 7%
Duffy 6%
Freeman 3%
Casey 1%

The final count was as follows

Higgins 55.8%
Casey 23.5%
Gallagher 6.4%
Ni Riada 6.3%
Freeman 5.6%
Duffy 2.1%

I will let you work out who lost most there.

Shinners vote collapsed.

Gallagher was unlikley to get elected. He didnt. He didnt lose out too much.

Casey went from being pilloried for driving golf balls into the sea at 1%, to 24%.

7aubzxk43m2sni · 06-11-2018 1:26pm

DChancer wrote: »

A "fact" the electors who voted disagree with on, since he was emphatically beaten by MD who even on the lowest turnout in a Presidential election managed to garner the highest ever number of votes in a Presidential Election.

I was referring to Michael D

DChancer · 06-11-2018 1:28pm

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

You still denying Casey is Irish? You do know he was born in Derry holds an Irish passport. He is also subject to tax on any income earned here as a green card holder and further subject to dual tax treaties. You really are coming across as xenophobic, and clearly clueless to taxation laws and the right of citizenship. Best you have a little think before you post .

I never said he wasn't Irish!
He like many others born outside of this state is entitled to Irish Citizenship, he was born in the UK but I accept he is as Irish as anyone who holds Irish Citizenship without having been born here.
My Issue is with who he himself accepted that he does NOT pay tax in Ireland he pays it in the US!

FrancieBrady · 06-11-2018 1:31pm

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

Shinners vote collapsed.

Gallagher was unlikley to get elected. He didnt. He didnt lose out too much.

Casey went from being pilloried for driving golf balls into the sea at 1%, to 24%.

Quite clear from those figures that SF vote held from the initial poll and survived Casey going from 1% ~ 23%

MrMusician18 · 06-11-2018 1:32pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

He wasn't asked a question about, travellers or SEMS. Yet his campaign, according to here, is all about travellers and Sems.

What scares me and any other democrat is the stirring of prejudice and bias. There is nothing 'moderate' about targeting one community to attempt to get elected.
Ask any marginalised community in the world about that. Ask people of Casey's era in Derry about it even.

Why would any democrat be scared by 23% of those that voted?

What you really mean is you're scared of those who holds opinions you don't agree with and want them suppressed, which is fundamentally anti-democratic?

Plumbthedepths · 06-11-2018 1:34pm

DChancer wrote:

I never said he wasn't Irish! He like many others born outside of this state is entitled to Irish Citizenship, he was born in the UK but I accept he is as Irish as anyone who holds Irish Citizenship without having been born here. My Issue is with who he himself accepted that he does NOT pay tax in Ireland he pays it in the US!

You want to reread some of your own posts. I have repeatedly told you that he is a green card holder is liable for tax to the US authorities on all his final income. He gets a credit from the IRS for any tax paid here. We also operate duel taxation treaties with other jurisdictions. Try and educate yourself, you really are coming across as clueless and tbh as a bigger sh*t stirrer than you claim Casey to be.

DChancer · 06-11-2018 1:35pm

Briella Tender Shark wrote: »

I was referring to Michael D

Increased his vote to a record vote for a candidate in a Presidential election even on a reduced turnout.
Huge success.

The_Kew_Tour · 06-11-2018 1:35pm

I still can't get over people still worked up about what 95% of the country thinks.

It's amazing that Places like Limerick and Longford gave him a good vote I wonder why

nullzero · 06-11-2018 1:37pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

There is no difference in it's intent. IMO

I'm glad you said "IMO", because you couldn't be more wrong.

Plumbthedepths · 06-11-2018 1:37pm

DChancer wrote:

I never said he wasn't Irish! He like many others born outside of this state is entitled to Irish Citizenship, he was born in the UK but I accept he is as Irish as anyone who holds Irish Citizenship without having been born here. My Issue is with who he himself accepted that he does NOT pay tax in Ireland he pays it in the US!

I just reread your post, heads up D he is Irish . He was born in Ireland holds an Irish passport so get yourself. It's the same as a Welsh man being born in Wales which is part of the UK. You really are a xenophobe, you vote No in the GFA referendum by any chance?

FrancieBrady · 06-11-2018 1:38pm

MrMusician18 wrote: »

Why would any democrat be scared by 23% of those that voted?

What you really mean is you're scared of those who holds opinions you don't agree with and want them suppressed, which is fundamentally anti-democratic?

Scared by how it was achieved.
Any candidate could have done what Casey did, I have the utmost respect for those who resisted the urge to follow suit

Plumbthedepths · 06-11-2018 1:39pm

FrancieBrady wrote:

Quite clear from those figures that SF vote held from the initial poll and survived Casey going from 1% ~ 23%

Yet with all the party support behind her and being a serving MEP from a well known background she actually lost position from the first poll you put up .

Plumbthedepths · 06-11-2018 1:41pm

DChancer wrote:

Increased his vote to a record vote for a candidate in a Presidential election even on a reduced turnout. Huge success.

Yet all the talk of the election is Casey. Seems MDH is only a sideshow.

JP Liz V1 · 06-11-2018 1:42pm

Did Casey say on the LLS he could be traveller himself with the name Casey

DChancer · 06-11-2018 1:45pm

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

I just reread your post, heads up D he is Irish . He was born in Ireland holds an Irish passport so get yourself. It's the same as a Welsh man being born in Wales which is part of the UK. You really are a xenophobe, you vote No in the GFA referendum by any chance?

I voted to end this states territorial claim to part of the UK, which is what we did by referendum in 1998.
I never once said Casey isn't Irish, not once.
I say again I have no issue with Irish Citizens born outside this state , none whatsoever so I fail to see where the claim I am a xenophobe comes from

Roger Hassenforder · 06-11-2018 1:45pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Quite clear from those figures that SF vote held from the initial poll and survived Casey going from 1% ~ 23%

Francie,
Other than Shinners, you're the only one i know of spinning it as anything other than a disaster.
Half of the Shinners didnt even vote for their canditate

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/sinn-féin-s-presidential-campaign-was-a-failure-1.3678354%3fmode=amp

7aubzxk43m2sni · 06-11-2018 1:45pm

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Yet with all the party support behind her and being a serving MEP from a well known background she actually lost position from the first poll you put up .

1% loss (from unknown candidate to her) compared to a 23% gain for Casey.

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Yet all the talk of the election is Casey. Seems MDH is only a sideshow.

What good is talk? MDH is the president.

Plumbthedepths · 06-11-2018 1:46pm

JP Liz V1 wrote:

Did Casey say on the LLS he could be traveller himself with the name Casey

Yep, silence from the travellers in the audience when he said that. Be hilarious if it turned out to be true.

Plumbthedepths · 06-11-2018 1:47pm

DChancer wrote:

I voted to end this states territorial claim to part of the UK, which is what we did by referendum in 1998. I never once said Casey isn't Irish, not once. I say again I have no issue with Irish Citizens born outside this state , none whatsoever so I fail to see where the claim I am a xenophobe comes from

You clearly do have an issue if you want the constitution changed to affect their ability to seek public office. Are you one of those that only like democracy when it's your type of democracy?

Plumbthedepths · 06-11-2018 1:48pm

Briella Tender Shark wrote:

What good is talk? MDH is the president.

Which everyone knows is a meaningless retirement home.

Roger Hassenforder · 06-11-2018 1:48pm

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Yep, silence from the travellers in the audience when he said that. Be hilarious if it turned out to be true.

"I cant believe people wouldnt vote for Casey because he was/is a traveller
Such racism"

Heard it here first.

Plumbthedepths · 06-11-2018 1:50pm

Roger Hassenforder wrote:

"I cant believe people wouldnt vote for Casey because he was/is a traveller Such racism"

Or a traveller saying they should be treated no different than the rest of wider society. Equally if you will .

Sycamore Tree · 06-11-2018 1:50pm

Sinn Fein got 240,000 votes in the 2011 election.

Sinn Fein got 94,000 in the 2018 election.

A disaster and shows how surprisingly fickle their support is.

Mrsmum · 06-11-2018 1:53pm

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Did Casey say on the LLS he could be traveller himself with the name Casey

Another example of that unique way that Peter Casey has of making a valid point.

7aubzxk43m2sni · 06-11-2018 1:53pm

Sycamore Tree wrote: »

Sinn Fein got 240,000 votes in the 2011 election.

Sinn Fein got 94,000 in the 2018 election.

A disaster and shows how surprisingly fickle their support is.

Martin McGuinness vs Liath Ni Riada also has a fair bit to do with it I'd say

Plumbthedepths · 06-11-2018 2:02pm

Briella Tender Shark wrote:

Martin McGuinness vs Liath Ni Riada also has a fair bit to do with it I'd say

Poor argument when Casey even polled better than McGuinness by nearly 100k 7 years later. McGuinness ran at a time when the country was in the midst of an economic crisis and distrust of the main parties was acute. He couldn't even capitalise that.

MrMusician18 · 06-11-2018 2:08pm

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Poor argument when Casey even polled better than McGuinness by nearly 100k 7 years later. McGuinness ran at a time when the country was in the midst of an economic crisis and distrust of the main parties was acute. He couldn't even capitalise that.

It would be fair to say McGuinness had a lot of other baggage.

Peter Casey's beliefs of Travellers' ethnicity Part II

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