Formula 1 2020 - General Discussion Thread (See MOD warning on first post)

El_Duderino 09 · 23-06-2020 2:14pm

Wanderer78 wrote: »

i cant go into it, sorry

Fair one. I'll keep an eye out.

ELM327 · 23-06-2020 2:47pm

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

Did you keep paying for sky sports over the last few months?

I cancelled mine as there was nothing on. Only really wanted it for F1 anyway and I don’t think I’m gonna bother getting it back now.

Yes, couldnt be arsed cancelling. We have movies too and the difference between movies and movies+sports was like a tenner a month

Rodney Bathgate · 23-06-2020 3:02pm

I did the NowTV EUR 10 for a 1 Day Sports Pack last year for each GP. Think it is (or was) 720p, no pausing, no rewind etc.

I would consider myself a ‘true’ F1 fan, watching every race since very early 90’s, been to lots of races around europe, but I’m not going to get Sky just to watch F1.

EUR 200 or so a year is the cut off for me. Not because I can’t afford it, but because I don’t value it much more than that. Maybe if the spectacle was better and they got rid of the lame tracks I would reconsider. We’ll see how the budget cap changes things.

antodeco · 23-06-2020 3:08pm

ELM327 wrote: »

Does that offer "on demand" for "live" F1 (ie can I watch the race on the day it happens but later in the day?)

The NowTV? t's Sky F1 so same as normal. They repeat the race plenty throughout the day. Let me check the on demand piece!

This is it · 23-06-2020 3:13pm

I pay £20 a quarter for every channel I can think of. I don't care if someone calls me a genuine fan or not, I get to watch all the F1, along with football, rugby, etc., and I even get the car cams for each, though I've never really used them. I can record and have a brief EPG.

I've far too many subscriptions as it is, Sky Sports is one I'm not willing to pay for. Far too expensive.

Anyway, can't wait for the new season to start

SureYWouldntYa · 23-06-2020 3:58pm

I have my setup for €80 a year to watch any live channel, I can torrent anything I want and have it there in a matter of minutes

Yet I have a Netflix sub, because the price is reasonable

Not only is Sky Sports much too expensive, the contract makes it a no go as well

Hopefully other sports like the football looking at their own streaming platform can either vastly reduce the cost of Sky, or have F1TV available worldwide

mickdw · 23-06-2020 4:39pm

Is sky really that bad.
I have the f1 channel. It costs 7.50 or so per month on top of the basic sky package that we keep regardless.
90 quid per year is a bargain.
I have it via the hd pack deal where sky initially offered the f1 cjannel via the jd pack.

This is it · 23-06-2020 4:52pm

mickdw wrote: »

Is sky really that bad.
I have the f1 channel. It costs 7.50 or so per month on top of the basic sky package that we keep regardless.
90 quid per year is a bargain.
I have it via the hd pack deal where sky initially offered the f1 cjannel via the jd pack.

Sky as a whole is expensive in my opinion. I pay Netflix, I pay Spotify, I pay Game Pass on Xbox and I pay IPTV. I've no issue with them because I believe they're reasonable prices, I think Sky is far too expensive to have it at all, basic package, F1, sports, movies, whatever.

I understand what I'm doing is wrong but I don't care to be honest, if I'm somehow caught I'll take my punishment.

Rodney Bathgate · 23-06-2020 5:23pm

mickdw wrote: »

Is sky really that bad.
I have the f1 channel. It costs 7.50 or so per month on top of the basic sky package that we keep regardless.
90 quid per year is a bargain.
I have it via the hd pack deal where sky initially offered the f1 cjannel via the jd pack.

That would be great if you could just get Sky F1 without any other subscription, for EUR 90, but you can’t.

El_Duderino 09 · 23-06-2020 6:37pm

mickdw wrote: »

Is sky really that bad.
I have the f1 channel. It costs 7.50 or so per month on top of the basic sky package that we keep regardless.
90 quid per year is a bargain.
I have it via the hd pack deal where sky initially offered the f1 cjannel via the jd pack.

Howmuch do you pay for sky in total?

g1983d · 23-06-2020 8:41pm

Rodney Bathgate wrote: »

That would be great if you could just get Sky F1 without any other subscription, for EUR 90, but you can’t.

Thays the offer I have too, free with hd from the 1st year they offered it and get the hd half price every year when I threaten to leave, of I had to may more that would be the end of f1 for me outside of maybe going to a race.
Couldn't justifybyne cost, especially as I seem to end up recording and fast forwarding the filler and boring bits which these days is a lot unfortunately

mickdw · 24-06-2020 1:08am

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Howmuch do you pay for sky in total?

35 or so.
FIr enough if you dont have or want any subscription tv but we have had sky years before the f1 went to sky and to honest, i was very pleasantly surprised when they offered f1 as a stand alone as opposed to having to take sky sports - that is a non runner as i dont watch football.

jv2000 · 24-06-2020 9:54am

I do not agree with anybody that qualifies your fandom of F1 by the amount of money you are prepared to spend on the sport. Interest, knowledge time spent thinking about the sport would define a true fan.

I am lucky to have the Sky Sports package and see it as a luxury. I am a fan of many sports but honestly with young children do not get enough time to watch many so I am probably paying over the odds for my usage. I have very few hobbies however (no time) and almost never drink. The reason I got sky sports in the first place was because I had many friends that said it was too expensive but every weekend without fail they would be in the pub to watch the football - for the cost of a few pints every weekend and having your home comforts, it was a no brainer. Also with young children the ability to record and watch later (probably stopping several times in between) is a huge bonus.

I will finish however by saying that F1 is indeed killing itself. The technology is no longer the cutting edge, FE has huge potential. Hiding the races behind expensive pay channels is also a big problem. I can tell you in the early 90s in the west of Ireland we had the 2 standard channels, my parents would have never in a million years subscribed to the sky basic package let alone the sports package. I would likely not be a fan today and this is surely the case for many young children in today's circumstances.

TCP/IP · 24-06-2020 10:09am

What amazes me is that people are so flippant in relation to piracy, yes Sky can be expensive but in the grand scheme of life its not.

Cork Trucker · 24-06-2020 10:19am

Part of the thing with sky is they employ idiots. David Croft being the main one, Simon Lazenby another, I can tolerate Ted.

Rodney Bathgate · 24-06-2020 10:23am

TCP/IP wrote: »

What amazes me is that people are so flippant in relation to piracy, yes Sky can be expensive but in the grand scheme of life its not.

Not sure why it amazes you. Piracy of films / box sets / sport is rampant, has been for years. Personally I don’t, but I would say that most colleagues / friends do stream / download pirated material stuff regularly.

TCP/IP · 24-06-2020 10:33am

Rodney Bathgate wrote: »

Not sure why it amazes you. Piracy of films / box sets / sport is rampant, has been for years. Personally I don’t, but I would say that most colleagues / friends do stream / download pirated material stuff regularly.

I know people do its another thing to be so open talking about it online and admitting it.

Personally, like you I don't, I have Sky Sports/Bt Sport/Premier Sport/Eir Sport and that covers me for my sporting needs without resorting to piracy.

Rodney Bathgate · 24-06-2020 10:49am

TCP/IP wrote: »

I know people do its another thing to be so open talking about it online and admitting it.

Personally, like you I don't, I have Sky Sports/Bt Sport/Premier Sport/Eir Sport and that covers me for my sporting needs without resorting to piracy.

I don’t watch any other sport, so EUR 45 a month is too much for 4 hours a month on average. As I said not because I can’t afford it, but because I don’t think the spectacle is worth more than EUR 10 a race.

Wanderer78 · 24-06-2020 10:54am

TCP/IP wrote:

What amazes me is that people are so flippant in relation to piracy, yes Sky can be expensive but in the grand scheme of life its not.

Broadcasters such as sky are clearly trying to monopolise broadcasting rights to exploit sports fans, I've a clear conscious with the methods I use

24-06-2020 10:58am

I’m gonna see how I get on with just watching highlights on channel 4. I think their first full race showing will be silverstone.

TCP/IP · 24-06-2020 11:02am

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Broadcasters such as sky are clearly trying to monopolise broadcasting rights to exploit sports fans, I've a clear conscious with the methods I use

That's your decision and best of luck with it others have a different opinion on theft.

Wanderer78 · 24-06-2020 11:03am

TCP/IP wrote:

That's your decision and best of luck with it others have a different opinion on theft.

Interesting use of words, are the broadcasters the ones thieving?

El_Duderino 09 · 24-06-2020 11:14am

mickdw wrote: »

35 or so.
FIr enough if you dont have or want any subscription tv but we have had sky years before the f1 went to sky and to honest, i was very pleasantly zurprised when they offered f1 as a stand alone az opposed to having to take zky sports - that is a non runner as i dont watch football.

35 for sky TV with f1 and broadband is a pretty good. I thought it cost far more than that. I just make do with free view and the online player apps. Maybe I've been too harsh on sky.

TCP/IP · 24-06-2020 11:17am

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Interesting use of words, are the broadcasters the ones thieving?

No, they are not they have purchased the rights to various global sports legally and as a business resell it to the consumer who has a choice to view the presentation legally or not to view it pretty simple business economics really.

It's then down to consumers do they subscribe and pay or do they view it through means of theft, you prefer theft where as I prefer legal means.

Infoanon · 24-06-2020 11:23am

Williams Rokit sponsorship is about to appear on the Mercedes according to rumours.

No word on the proposed sale of Williams while rumours persist that Haas is up for sale and Red Bull would happily overload Alpha Tauri

El_Duderino 09 · 24-06-2020 11:27am

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

I’m gonna see how I get on with just watching highlights on channel 4. I think their first full race showing will be silverstone.

I recommend the f1 live timing app. It's 20 quid a year and you can follow the race live through the app and on the BBC 5 radio which is part of the app. You actually get a very different experience from watching the images the TV director decides to show. You can follow all kinds of battles and you begin to notice patterns that the TV commentators don't have time to talk about. Plus, looking at on track battles in terms of time time gaps between cars is actually very useful. You can actually paint a vivid image of the action on track (if you already have an idea of the track layout from watching it previously)

If you're into audio media like audiobooks and podcasts then there's a good chance you'll like it. I still watch the race highlights in the evening but you'd be surprised by how engrossed you can get in the live timing.

El_Duderino 09 · 24-06-2020 11:29am

Infoanon wrote: »

Williams Rokit sponsorship is about to appear on the Mercedes according to rumours.

No word on the proposed sale of Williams while rumours persist that Haas is up for sale and Red Bull would happily overload Alpha Tauri

What's the story with Rokit? I thought they were a joke company like Rich Energy.

GarIT · 24-06-2020 11:32am

TCP/IP wrote: »

What amazes me is that people are so flippant in relation to piracy, yes Sky can be expensive but in the grand scheme of life its not.

Depends on perspective, if you don't have Sky at all the €400 per year is the entire annual entertainment budget for 1/3 of the population.

Cork Trucker wrote: »

Part of the thing with sky is they employ idiots. David Croft being the main one, Simon Lazenby another, I can tolerate Ted.

I'm the opposite, Ted is by far the best F1 presenter I've ever seen. The only one who gets into the interesting details. I can't stand Chandhook, Plamer and Di Resta.

GarIT · 24-06-2020 11:37am

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

What's the story with Rokit? I thought they were a joke company like Rich Energy.

They paid all but £1m of their sponsorship, the total was somewhere over £10m and they owed exactly £1m at the point of the agreement being terminated.

It seems like a lot of their porducts are ****e or don't exist but they do own some legitimate businesses.

billybonkers · 24-06-2020 11:43am

Infoanon wrote: »

Williams Rokit sponsorship is about to appear on the Mercedes according to rumours.

No word on the proposed sale of Williams while rumours persist that Haas is up for sale and Red Bull would happily overload Alpha Tauri

What do you mean, Williams Rokit to appear on the Merc. How would that work?

GarIT · 24-06-2020 11:54am

billybonkers wrote: »

What do you mean, Williams Rokit to appear on the Merc. How would that work?

I think it was supposed to be, Rokit, who previously sponsored Williams...

Inquitus · 24-06-2020 12:36pm

GarIT wrote: »

I think it was supposed to be, Rokit, who previously sponsored Williams...

How do Rokit manage to sponsor F1 when they sell decidedly average and not very popular Android handsets?

flazio · 24-06-2020 12:37pm

Cork Trucker wrote: »

Part of the thing with sky is they employ idiots. David Croft being the main one, Simon Lazenby another, I can tolerate Ted.

Which, whether you watch live by fair means or by foul, you can't get away from unless you do some jiggery-pokery with the radio feed or put up with not understanding a word the commentary is saying.

pjohnson · 24-06-2020 12:41pm

Inquitus wrote: »

How do Rokit manage to sponsor F1 when they sell decidedly average and not very popular Android handsets?

They seem to be a professional far less controversial version of what Rich Energy wanted to be. A succesful brand/business for absolutely no genuine reason. They have quite a few prominent sponsorships and appear to be making enough money to manage to keep pulling it off but when you peek behind the curtain its just an empty cupboard.

mickdw · 24-06-2020 12:41pm

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

35 for sky TV with f1 and broadband is a pretty good. I thought it cost far more than that. I just make do with free view and the online player apps. Maybe I've been too harsh on sky.

No broadband. Never said anything about broadband. Sky broadband not available where i live. No broadband really.

El_Duderino 09 · 24-06-2020 2:23pm

mickdw wrote: »

No broadband. Never said anything about broadband. Sky broadband not available where i live. No broadband really.

Ah ok. I always think of them coming together.

GarIT · 24-06-2020 4:24pm

Inquitus wrote: »

How do Rokit manage to sponsor F1 when they sell decidedly average and not very popular Android handsets?

They own two beer brands, they offer some insurance, I think they do vaccum cleaners, they have something like a roomba and a sci-fi water purification system that doesn't actually work. So might be making some money somewhere.

They claim to be building the first citywide WiFi infrastructure in 25 Indian cities.

Harika · 24-06-2020 5:58pm

Mugello confirmed by sources for staging its first #F1 grand prix - and the 1000th for
@ScuderiaFerrari
- on Sep 11-13. It means European season now runs to nine races in opening 11 weeks, with three triple-headers. Intense just doesn’t cover it!

Infoanon · 24-06-2020 6:27pm

Harika wrote: »

Mugello confirmed by sources for staging its first #F1 grand prix - and the 1000th for
@ScuderiaFerrari
- on Sep 11-13. It means European season now runs to nine races in opening 11 weeks, with three triple-headers. Intense just doesn’t cover it!

Looking forward to the Mugello race though There's no room for error on the first corner at Mugello with no run off area on the left in the tracks current configuration.

The Bikes reach 300km + on the main straight - the race will be interesting noting Ferrari tested there this week.

supremenovice · 24-06-2020 6:57pm

Harika wrote: »

Mugello confirmed by sources for staging its first #F1 grand prix - and the 1000th for
@ScuderiaFerrari
- on Sep 11-13. It means European season now runs to nine races in opening 11 weeks, with three triple-headers. Intense just doesn’t cover it!

It screams desperation in fact. When has cramming ever worked for anyone ever? I just cant see this going well.

Harika · 24-06-2020 8:10pm

supremenovice wrote: »

It screams desperation in fact. When has cramming ever worked for anyone ever? I just cant see this going well.

Might also be preemptive in case a race needs to be cancelled.

tigerboon · 24-06-2020 8:49pm

Harika wrote: »

Mugello confirmed by sources for staging its first #F1 grand prix - and the 1000th for
@ScuderiaFerrari
- on Sep 11-13. It means European season now runs to nine races in opening 11 weeks, with three triple-headers. Intense just doesn’t cover it!

Should be interesting. That long straight with heavy heavy braking at the end will give a bit of overtaking. Lots of nice sweeping turns and a great looking circuit.

24-06-2020 10:19pm

Really not enamoured with Mugello. It's narrow and twisty aside from the one long straight. Hopefully the unknown will make a decent race out of it.

g1983d · 25-06-2020 8:16am

https://www.planetf1.com/news/mclaren-facing-insolvency/

McLaren are in serious bother by the sounds of it.
F1 is really struggling

Infoanon · 25-06-2020 10:32am

g1983d wrote: »

https://www.planetf1.com/news/mclaren-facing-insolvency/

McLaren are in serious bother by the sounds of it.
F1 is really struggling

I think the situation is being slightly exaggerated - basically secured bond holders 'A' are offering McLaren a loan at x interest rate ,Another bond provider is offering a loan at a lower interest rate but want the assets held by bondholders 'A'.

This is McLaren preferred option but they need bondholders 'A' to release the assets - they won't thus the court case and the urgency and mention of insolvency.

Where Mr.LatifI ,his 10% shareholding and his loan to Williams and willingness to buy Williams (?) Fits into this 'financial ' engineering by McLaren remains to be seen.

Cookie_Monster · 25-06-2020 10:52am

Cork Trucker wrote: »

Part of the thing with sky is they employ idiots. David Croft being the main one, Simon Lazenby another, I can tolerate Ted.

I was about to agree and thank this but then you said you can tolerate Ted :pac::pac::pac:

Cork Trucker · 25-06-2020 11:03am

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

I was about to agree and thank this but then you said you can tolerate Ted :pac::pac::pac:

Tolerate does not mean like

Ted is ever present as long as I’m watching F1, the others aren’t. Bring back Jim Rosenthal

mickdw · 25-06-2020 12:28pm

Infoanon wrote: »

I think the situation is being slightly exaggerated - basically secured bond holders 'A' are offering McLaren a loan at x interest rate ,Another bond provider is offering a loan at a lower interest rate but want the assets held by bondholders 'A'.

This is McLaren preferred option but they need bondholders 'A' to release the assets - they won't thus the court case and the urgency and mention of insolvency.

.

If its that straight forward, it should be ok but something smells abit and seems that they signed up to a pretty sh1tty deal originally. Why has a bondholder seemingly got a call over the entire factory and car collection when the borrowing was only a fraction of its value.

GarIT · 25-06-2020 12:49pm

I was under the impression that the money they was secured against the factory and cars was already spent, and they want to use the same assets again to secure a loan.

Infoanon · 25-06-2020 2:59pm

mickdw wrote: »

If its that straight forward, it should be ok but something smells abit and seems that they signed up to a pretty sh1tty deal originally. Why has a bondholder seemingly got a call over the entire factory and car collection when the borrowing was only a fraction of its value.

My understanding albeit a quick read is that the borrowing only has a call / security over part of an asset that McLaren want to sell / refinance in full - the issue is over the releasing of that part.
The same Bond holders want to take over all of the asset and provide finance on all of the asset thus the impasse

Formula 1 2020 - General Discussion Thread (See MOD warning on first post)

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