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Gangland Shootings part 3 - Read OP before posting - updated 27/12/23

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 387 ✭✭Ciro Di Marzio


    Oh yea thought he was still in remand, my bad. So they’re on their tod so RL gone and PC behind bars. I’m sure they’ll band together a faction for one last go.



    Yea I think JB is out too and gone into hiding (low profile) PC might try get off with the Brothers back if the two of them are back in town. Surely if the B brothers are killed then PC will only have himself when he comes out. Surely they’ll all go down fighting, they don’t know anything else. Can’t be too many places for them to hide. Maguire is mad to kill this feud I’m sure.

    There a good few other foot soldiers in that faction. I heard PC was kickin it in the Joy with his buddy Karlito Brigante recently although I'm not sure how true that is. Traveller faction definitely much stronger esp with RC and RL dead. The Anti-Mag side are basically just a collection of young street thugs now.


  • Registered Users Posts: 68 ✭✭Justanoseygit


    Are KB and LB related?

    One thing I always meant to ask.
    When Noel Boylan was in the news after being shot, I read that he sometimes visited Christy in Dubai.
    Knowing that Christy’s first wife (DK’s maw) was a Boylan, is Noel related to the Kinahan’s through her, or is that just a coincidence?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 387 ✭✭Ciro Di Marzio


    Haladmirer wrote: »
    Isn't he locked up on tiger kidnapping charge?

    Sorry I was referring to when P Irwin and Davin Flynn were on B wing together.
    Couple of years back. I believe Irwin gave him Kelly a hiding and Kelly went into protection


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 387 ✭✭Ciro Di Marzio


    Are KB and LB related?

    Drogheda and Blanchardstown Boylans are un-related


  • Registered Users Posts: 591 ✭✭✭White lighting


    Going off topic a bit but the crumlin drimnagh fued between Freddie and Rattigan sides. Was freddie actually top dog on that side? Seems in recent years he was a bit down the line and his cousins the Byrnes were higher up the ladder. Would the Byrnes have been involved much in that fued i know they were at abrakadabra when Brian stabbed Declan Gavin.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,365 ✭✭✭Alrigghtythen


    https://www.pressreader.com/ireland/mid-louth-independent/20200303/281543702970004

    Keith Boylan got a charge of threating to kill struck out at the start of march. The injured party did not show up.
    What's that about?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 387 ✭✭Ciro Di Marzio


    Going off topic a bit but the crumlin drimnagh fued between Freddie and Rattigan sides. Was freddie actually top dog on that side? Seems in recent years he was a bit down the line and his cousins the Byrnes were higher up the ladder. Would the Byrnes have been involved much in that fued i know they were at abrakadabra when Brian stabbed Declan Gavin.

    Well you neee to think of it this way. Freddie was the head of the faction at street level...but who were they getting their drugs off? who did they take over specific territory from? What older criminal had links to the gangs in the fork of sons, nephews and in-laws. The Crumlin faction in that feud was a very early first line of foot soldiers for the Kinahan-Cunningham Cartel that was quickly emerging in the very early 00’s


  • Registered Users Posts: 248 ✭✭Don Logan


    Going off topic a bit but the crumlin drimnagh fued between Freddie and Rattigan sides. Was freddie actually top dog on that side? Seems in recent years he was a bit down the line and his cousins the Byrnes were higher up the ladder. Would the Byrnes have been involved much in that fued i know they were at abrakadabra when Brian stabbed Declan Gavin.

    He took over after Declan Gavin was stabbed


  • Registered Users Posts: 248 ✭✭Don Logan


    Well you neee to think of it this way. Freddie was the head of the faction at street level...but who were they getting their drugs off? who did they take over specific territory from? What older criminal had links to the gangs in the fork of sons, nephews and in-laws. The Crumlin faction in that feud was a very early first line of foot soldiers for the Kinahan-Cunningham Cartel that was quickly emerging in the very early 00’s

    I think they had connections through John Gillian, not sure how true that is though


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 601 ✭✭✭Haladmirer


    https://www.pressreader.com/ireland/mid-louth-independent/20200303/281543702970004

    Keith Boylan got a charge of threating to kill struck out at the start of march. The injured party did not show up.
    What's that about?
    The only charges I heard of him due up on was for when the 3 of them had that guy in the bath,but he killed himself after so that will be struck out
    Could it be about that


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 601 ✭✭✭Haladmirer


    Don Logan wrote: »
    I think they had connections through John Gillian, not sure how true that is though
    Who's John Gillian?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 387 ✭✭Ciro Di Marzio


    Don Logan wrote: »
    I think they had connections through John Gillian, not sure how true that is though

    They took over a large proportion of his market, but these young gangsters had numerous links to older established criminals, the older Byrnes and Kinahan among others. They were schooled well coming up and took over a large, lucrative territory stretching from the Coombs and Thomas Street over into Crumlin and Drimnagh. But they were still basically street dealers for the big traffickers who were supplying them.

    By the late 00’s as more was known about the Cartel, things started to become a lot more clear..


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 192 ✭✭MelvinWagstaff


    https://www.pressreader.com/ireland/mid-louth-independent/20200303/281543702970004

    Keith Boylan got a charge of threating to kill struck out at the start of march. The injured party did not show up.
    What's that about?

    A member of the gang the other side of the feud gave a statement against him and others. Discussed thoroughly on this thread since it first surfaced online over 12 months ago.


  • Registered Users Posts: 248 ✭✭Don Logan


    Haladmirer wrote: »
    Who's John Gillian?

    Gilligan, you know well what I meant haha


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,365 ✭✭✭Alrigghtythen


    A member of the gang the other side of the feud gave a statement against him and others. Discussed thoroughly on this thread since it first surfaced online over 12 months ago.

    Is that the same guy in the bath or a different guy?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,084 ✭✭✭markc1184


    Is that the same guy in the bath or a different guy?

    Different person


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,365 ✭✭✭Alrigghtythen


    https://m.herald.ie/news/feud-hood-branded-a-rat-as-claim-to-gardai-leaked-by-gang-rivals-38323199.html

    Tensions have increased in the bitter Drogheda feud after a statement of complaint made to gardai by a close associate of paralysed mob boss Owen Maguire was leaked on to social media by his feuding enemies.


  • Registered Users Posts: 42 Madmax03


    Going off topic a bit but the crumlin drimnagh fued between Freddie and Rattigan sides. Was freddie actually top dog on that side? Seems in recent years he was a bit down the line and his cousins the Byrnes were higher up the ladder. Would the Byrnes have been involved much in that fued i know they were at abrakadabra when Brian stabbed Declan Gavin.
    No he was never top dog . Himself and his cousins ran it and each had smaller dealers running for them . Dan and Christopher were friends with them all so that was the connection to the Kinahans and the older generation were friends aswell . Liam was locked up so it was only really dots . Most of them were cousins and a few of their trusted friends formed that gang.


  • Registered Users Posts: 108 ✭✭DD1518


    Sorry I was referring to when P Irwin and Davin Flynn were on B wing together.
    Couple of years back. I believe Irwin gave him Kelly a hiding and Kelly went into protection

    Yeah Kelly was starting to throw his weight around and Paddy heard he was gonna attack him to try get a bigger name for himself and undermine him in the process so he went in and closed off the cell door and smashed Kelly around which is no mean feat he's well built. Flynn had great time for paddy and basically told kelly he was to leave the landing or else.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,688 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    TallyRand wrote: »
    Is KBoy any relation the Boylan chap who had drug trafficking claims, collusion and cover-ups from Gardai around the late 1990's?

    Never seen that mentioned here and I know from the same neck of the woods

    Others will confirm but I dont think they are the same person. You're thinking of Kieran Boylan, an international haulier who was convicted for importing heroin. Gardai covered up for him and even helped him get his international hauliers license back after his conviction so he could keep on trucking the heroin into Ireland. Theres still no conviction of him or of rogue Gardai in that case. Its so high level that its been swept under the carpet completely. The most senior Garda in the Louth Monaghan division where it happened was Martin Callinan who later went on to become Garda Commissioner.
    Haladmirer wrote: »
    I would say so,cartel aren't going to forget about that debt when still do many assets there
    Cartel seem to have had a free run of the place in lieu of the cash

    Are we talking a stately home hotel with a mini golf course in Lucan?
    A Garda Commissioners daughter had her wedding in Citywest...

    Which Commissioner was that, read it before in the Indo but it slips me now. Another Garda Commissioner in the late 90s was involved in a property deal in Ashbourne where he sold a house to a known criminal. CAB existed at the time but a blind eye was turned, I guess they didnt want to upset their boss


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  • Registered Users Posts: 163 ✭✭Tomtom3105


    https://m.herald.ie/news/feud-hood-branded-a-rat-as-claim-to-gardai-leaked-by-gang-rivals-38323199.html

    Tensions have increased in the bitter Drogheda feud after a statement of complaint made to gardai by a close associate of paralysed mob boss Owen Maguire was leaked on to social media by his feuding enemies.

    Any link to those statements they are meant to be on the interweb someone


  • Registered Users Posts: 17 Period Hotspod


    Muahahaha wrote: »
    . Another Garda Commissioner in the late 90s was involved in a property deal in Ashbourne where he sold a house to a known criminal. CAB existed at the time but a blind eye was turned, I guess they didnt want to upset their boss


    I worked for ALLSIDES.

    Find this thread juvinile to say the least. Reminds me attending "events" where postpubescent boys would try to impress the bigger guys with "my da sold ten major in moore street - wat did your da do?

    to get on point,

    I dealt with putting this together.

    Not the first one to have to move to South africa.

    The house was split in 2 and byrne shared it with his sister.

    w w w .independent.ie/opinion/analysis/garda-commissioner-talks-about-forces-black-sheep-26249916.h t m

    new user cant post urls so use your imagination


  • Registered Users Posts: 88 ✭✭SSLil


    https://www.independent.ie/opinion/analysis/tangled-up-in-a-network-of-death-26262074.html

    Christopher `Bud' Dwyer, from a family of street traders based in the Markets area, was in the same pub with his girlfriend. He too had been in the habit of drinking heavily since his stepson Mark Dwyer had been abducted, tortured and shot dead a year previously in a dispute over a missing drug consignment. And he had heard that Beatty was boasting of being involved.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 601 ✭✭✭Haladmirer


    Don Logan wrote: »
    Gilligan, you know well what I meant haha
    Gilligan had nothing to do with that crew
    They might have bought a bit of hash off him ,that's all Gilligan ever sold,but Freddie and co were mostly always coke and H
    Gilligan had no territory


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,055 ✭✭✭JohnnyFlash


    I was reading this article this morning over breakfast: https://www.rte.ie/news/analysis-and-comment/2020/0529/1143486-inside-kinahan-gang/

    I've asked before, but why do so many of the people involved in crime have planter/tan surnames? Capper, Hutch, Thompson, Curtis, Price, Davis, Little, Parker?

    Not a single Gael surname amongst them.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 601 ✭✭✭Haladmirer


    I was reading this article this morning over breakfast: https://www.rte.ie/news/analysis-and-comment/2020/0529/1143486-inside-kinahan-gang/

    I've asked before, but why do so many of the people involved in crime have planter/tan surnames? Capper, Hutch, Thompson, Curtis, Price, Davis, Little, Parker?

    Not a single Gael surname amongst them.
    Because they are mostly jackeens
    And Dublin would have traditionally had more Brits than rest of the country


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 720 ✭✭✭1968


    I was reading this article this morning over breakfast: https://www.rte.ie/news/analysis-and-comment/2020/0529/1143486-inside-kinahan-gang/

    I've asked before, but why do so many of the people involved in crime have planter/tan surnames? Capper, Hutch, Thompson, Curtis, Price, Davis, Little, Parker?

    Not a single Gael surname amongst them.

    I don't think a surname should or can define how "Irish" someone is. Does it really matter if someone's family has been on the island for 1,000 years or 500 years or 100 years?

    I think Irish criminal figures who are second generation Italian or are newly arrived Polish or Brazillian migrants or who have uncommon surnames are an interesting topic to look at it but it sounds like you're trying to suggest that good true Gaelic Irish families don't get involved in organised crime and it's mainly or all the descendents of English Protestant planters? Which is of course is bull****.

    I think it's a useless and dead end argument to get into but one only has to look at some of the names of people killed in ganglang hits in the few years for evidence of "Gael" surnames - Wayne Whelan (anglicised version of O' Faolain), David Lynch (anglicised version of Ó Loingsigh), Robbie Sheridan (anglicised version of O'Sirideáin), Mark Desmond (anglicised version of Ó Deasmhumhnaigh), David Bryne (Ó Broin) and so on and so on.

    Nor should it be forgotten how many gangsters in Boston, Chicago, Montreal, London, Manchester, Australia etc. etc. descend from Irish families who emigrated there. From Ned Kelly to Whitey Bulger to Dessie Noonan to the current lads in Amsterdam and Spain.


  • Registered Users Posts: 448 ✭✭Thesiger


    I was reading this article this morning over breakfast: https://www.rte.ie/news/analysis-and-comment/2020/0529/1143486-inside-kinahan-gang/

    I've asked before, but why do so many of the people involved in crime have planter/tan surnames? Capper, Hutch, Thompson, Curtis, Price, Davis, Little, Parker?

    Not a single Gael surname amongst them.

    Obviously you’re being selective, there’s a good mix in reality - Kinahan, Cahill, Ward, Foley, Boylan, Dunne, Byrne, Doyle, Hennessy, etc, etc. Dublin’s just like that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,171 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    I was reading this article this morning over breakfast: https://www.rte.ie/news/analysis-and-comment/2020/0529/1143486-inside-kinahan-gang/

    I've asked before, but why do so many of the people involved in crime have planter/tan surnames? Capper, Hutch, Thompson, Curtis, Price, Davis, Little, Parker?

    Not a single Gael surname amongst them.

    Because they’re from dublin


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  • Registered Users Posts: 448 ✭✭Thesiger


    One surname I’ve only ever heard of in the context of Irish gangland is Sugg. What the feck is that?

    Also it’s gas that one of our most feared gangsters is called Cornelius.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 474 ✭✭Figel Narage


    Any truth from the papers that GW (The Wig) is running things in Ireland on behalf of DK after spending years in Birmingham?

    Seems like another feared guy, I assume he was heavily involved in Crumlin-Drimnagh Feud murders. I'm dubious when the papers say that someone is running something in Ireland though.They alleged I think at one stage Freddie Thompson was the head guy for them in Ireland and that is more than likely untrue and not to mention I'm not sure the organisation runs like that. Don't they just have a Kinahan distributor in Ireland who will sell the stuff onto gangs? Do they really care about anything else as long as gangs buy their drugs?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,688 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    Thesiger wrote: »
    One surname I’ve only ever heard of in the context of Irish gangland is Sugg. What the feck is that?

    Also it’s gas that one of our most feared gangsters is called Cornelius.

    yeah Cornelius wouldnt exactly strike fear into anyone. Presumably he had very religious parents, Cornelius being a Roman general who was converted to Christianity by St.Peter


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 238 ✭✭patsyrockem


    I was reading this article this morning over breakfast: https://www.rte.ie/news/analysis-and-comment/2020/0529/1143486-inside-kinahan-gang/

    I've asked before, but why do so many of the people involved in crime have planter/tan surnames? Capper, Hutch, Thompson, Curtis, Price, Davis, Little, Parker
    Not a single Gael surname amongst them.
    Descendants of the black and tans??? Which would explain a lot! Same in a lot of our towns and cities.


  • Registered Users Posts: 88 ✭✭SSLil


    I wonder if Patsy appreciates the efforts made to keep him alive.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 601 ✭✭✭Haladmirer


    And how did they catch EVERY hit team,must have been 4 or 5 different teams
    And according to that last court case they all operate IRA style small cells, unaware of each other
    Obviously a rat at the next level up from those guys
    Is branno in their wing now?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 304 ✭✭MickyPearse


    Fat freddies mate Mad Dog's house got raided today. Guards were taking no nonsense! threatened to pepper spray anyone who got in their way ���� another kinahan foot soldier being targetted


  • Registered Users Posts: 79 ✭✭kotou2


    Possibly a rat, why every Hit team is failing.

    But it appears cops are bugging lots phones/ cars / houses - far more than we think. i thought Whatsapp and Messenger were pretty secure. Cops with fancy tech, could only intercept plain old text messages.
    Anyone know, has it been declared in a case yet, that cops can listen to calls? Where's Gdpr when need it.

    If they can listen in to calls, is it all recorded for podcast replay or must they listen live like netflix narcos?
    Haven't heard proof in any court cases, revealing cops ability to listen to calls.
    But why else would top crimos opt for special encrypted phones, unless no harm being extra safe.

    Some recent news, lads were caught with signal jamming device. Which stops their calls and everyones nearby. Unless they suspect their phones are listening to them when chatting and jammers prevent that listening in.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 474 ✭✭Figel Narage


    Fat freddies mate Mad Dog's house got raided today. Guards were taking no nonsense! threatened to pepper spray anyone who got in their way ���� another kinahan foot soldier being targetted

    Is that his former driver who he was looking for money off or the lad who saw the Sunday World taking pictures of him and dropped his trousers and let them take pictures of his Mickey haha. I know that sounds strange to read but I remember bursting out laughing when I saw it, no f**ks given by that guy


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,054 ✭✭✭D.Q


    Fat freddies mate Mad Dog's house got raided today. Guards were taking no nonsense! threatened to pepper spray anyone who got in their way ���� another kinahan foot soldier being targetted

    Saw that on Facebook. All the family so used to the raids just sitting there chilling.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 192 ✭✭MelvinWagstaff


    kotou2 wrote: »
    Possibly a rat, why every Hit team is failing.

    But it appears cops are bugging lots phones/ cars / houses - far more than we think. i thought Whatsapp and Messenger were pretty secure. Cops with fancy tech, could only intercept plain old text messages.
    Anyone know, has it been declared in a case yet, that cops can listen to calls? Where's Gdpr when need it.

    If they can listen in to calls, is it all recorded for podcast replay or must they listen live like netflix narcos?
    Haven't heard proof in any court cases, revealing cops ability to listen to calls.
    But why else would top crimos opt for special encrypted phones, unless no harm being extra safe.

    Some recent news, lads were caught with signal jamming device. Which stops their calls and everyones nearby. Unless they suspect their phones are listening to them when chatting and jammers prevent that listening in.

    They are listening to everything. It's not being mentioned in court because the info they obtain is inadmissible. They use the info they obtain to catch their targets in the midst of a crime and then when it comes to charging them for x,y & z, they dont mention the listening etc.
    This is why a lot of criminals are using encrypted phones, there are several types.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 38 The enlightened one


    They are listening to everything. It's not being mentioned in court because the info they obtain is inadmissible. They use the info they obtain to catch their targets in the midst of a crime and then when it comes to charging them for x,y & z, they dont mention the listening etc.
    This is why a lot of criminals are using encrypted phones, there are several types.



    Another example of inadmissible evidence would be if they had intercepted a bunch of phones at the airport that they knew were coming in. Switched the phones while questioning the courier for 2 hours before eventually letting them go through. Harvest a huge amount of Intel from the phones while sitting back and watching the lads accuse each other of being a rat..


  • Registered Users Posts: 197 ✭✭Random Account


    What do the informants get off the Garda for information? Money and protection?


  • Registered Users Posts: 464 ✭✭Notdeco


    Another example of inadmissible evidence would be if they had intercepted a bunch of phones at the airport that they knew were coming in. Switched the phones while questioning the courier for 2 hours before eventually letting them go through. Harvest a huge amount of Intel from the phones while sitting back and watching the lads accuse each other of being a rat..
    Bull crap, switching phones bul****, the phones would be encrypted. Could not be broken by brute force (brute force is a very old code breaker) within a couple of hours.
    So much ****e being posted.
    Please stop with you ****e.


    You watch way too many movies.
    And know fook all about encryption.




    Your posts are hilarious.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,558 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    Thesiger wrote: »
    One surname I’ve only ever heard of in the context of Irish gangland is Sugg. What the feck is that?

    Also it’s gas that one of our most feared gangsters is called Cornelius.

    That’s often abbreviated to Con which fits fairly well.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7 Shellshooter


    Anyone update on who or why the AT ****ting happened in Coolock the other day ?


  • Registered Users Posts: 38 The enlightened one


    Notdeco wrote: »
    Bull crap, switching phones bul****, the phones would be encrypted. Could not be broken by brute force (brute force is a very old code breaker) within a couple of hours.
    So much ****e being posted.
    Please stop with you ****e.


    You watch way too many movies.
    And know fook all about encryption.





    Your posts are hilarious.



    I know more about encryption and the related technology than you ever will. I also know more about surveillance and counter surveillance than you ever will. However, I am not one to stick around where I'm not wanted. I won't share anything else here in future. Keep believing everyone is a rat.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    I know more about encryption and the related technology than you ever will. I also know more about surveillance and counter surveillance than you ever will. However, I am not one to stick around where I'm not wanted. I won't share anything else here in future.

    I personally appreciated your input Mr Neeson.


  • Registered Users Posts: 304 ✭✭MickyPearse


    Tallant was always fascinated by the Penguin. He's defo her favourite criminal


  • Registered Users Posts: 304 ✭✭MickyPearse


    Is that his former driver who he was looking for money off or the lad who saw the Sunday World taking pictures of him and dropped his trousers and let them take pictures of his Mickey haha. I know that sounds strange to read but I remember bursting out laughing when I saw it, no f**ks given by that guy

    Defo the second one. Pure lunatic. Involved in all sorts of armed robberies back in the day. For such a loose cannon I'm suprised we dont hear much about him


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 601 ✭✭✭Haladmirer


    What do the informants get off the Garda for information? Money and protection?
    From my experience they offer both,cops give you to CHIS and they offer cash and get out of jail cards,up to 20 something grand if memory serves me right but I was under pressure at the time and might be misremembering
    Back in the day before CHIS they'd offer **** all only if you help them at your sentencing we will tell judge you were helpful and he'll go easy on you
    I was only ever caught for drugs not criminal stuff like robbery or violence


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