Scabs?

gobo99 · 20-02-2017 12:55am

The €105,000 figure is an absolute lie from tesco of which there's no proof.
Tesco have also not accepted the Labour court recommendation in full like they claim they have. Part of the recommendation was to participate in local negotiations with individual staff. Negotiate rates of pay, flexibility, etc... Tesco skipped this completely. It was a case of here's your offer, take it or f*** off.
The Labour court recommendation was not binding and the staff had every right to reject it just as tesco have done in the past in other disputes.
A contract is a contract and if you they didn't want to honour these contacts they shouldn't have agreed to do so in 1996.

Arghus · 20-02-2017 12:56am

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

€14 per hour is huge money for what's basically unskilled work. And it's more than their post 96 colleagues - doing the same job - are on.

Yes retail wages are low: thats why most people pull finger, study and get into either management or another industry. Starter jobs should not be seen as jobs for life.

The term "starter job" is such a condescending phrase.

ThisRegard · 20-02-2017 12:58am

gobo99 wrote: »

The €105,000 figure is an absolute lie from tesco of which there's no proof.

So tell us why you're so sure it's a lie when simple mathematics leads to the contrary?

gobo99 · 20-02-2017 1:02am

ThisRegard wrote: »

So tell us why you're so sure it's a lie when simple mathematics leads to the contrary?

Show me figures then that haven't been doctored by tesco...

rachb · 20-02-2017 1:05am

gobo99 wrote: »

Show me figures then that haven't been doctored by tesco...

So the Labour Court recommendations have been doctored?

ThisRegard · 20-02-2017 1:06am

gobo99 wrote: »

Show me figures then that haven't been doctored by tesco...

So you'll ignore simple maths. Tell us why it, us, the LC and Tesco are all wrong?

gobo99 · 20-02-2017 1:09am

ThisRegard wrote: »

So you'll ignore simple maths. Tell us why it, us, the LC and Tesco are all wrong?

Show me where you're getting these figures...

tomwaterford · 20-02-2017 1:12am

seamus wrote: »

I don't see the issue crossing a picket?

People are entitled to strike. I'm under no obligation to support that strike.

What's the issue here?

I know people whove not spoken to some of their neighbours in nearly 30 years (longer than im alive) over 1 crossing a picket

If you wish to laugh at peoples concerns and reasons their on strike...by all means....just dont complain when you get the absolute bare minimum of service at any establishment......you clearly dont care about them....why should they care about you??

ThisRegard · 20-02-2017 1:14am

gobo99 wrote: »

Show me where you're getting these figures...

Pre 96, 5 weeks uncapped. Knock yourself out with a calculator.

Now you tell us why you're certain it's all lies.

rachb · 20-02-2017 1:15am

tomwaterford wrote: »

I know people whove not spoken to some of their neighbours in nearly 30 years (longer than im alive) over 1 crossing a picket

If you wish to laugh at peoples concerns and reasons their on strike...by all means....just dont complain when you get the absolute bare minimum of service at any establishment......you clearly dont care about them....why should they care about you??

Probably because the people who cross the picket line are actually the ones and have been the ones paying the strikers wages by shopping in their store. But I'm sure they forget that now that they are striking.

tomwaterford · 20-02-2017 1:20am

rachb wrote: »

Probably because the people who cross the picket line are actually the ones and have been the ones paying the strikers wages by shopping in their store. But I'm sure they forget that now that they are striking.

Oh....this old shte

I hear the same shte at times in my job......what do people think....if it wasnt for them/place im working.

That i wouldnt be working somewhere else earning money??

rachb · 20-02-2017 1:24am

tomwaterford wrote: »

Oh....this old shte

I hear the same shte at times in my job......what do people think....if it wasnt for them/place im working.

That i wouldnt be working somewhere else earning money??

Well it's not rocket science really....

Without the customers , the company wouldn't still be here and the workers striking wouldn't have jobs in Tesco.

tomwaterford · 20-02-2017 1:28am

rachb wrote: »

Well it's not rocket science really....

Without the customers , the company wouldn't still be here and the workers striking wouldn't have jobs in Tesco.

But theyd have jobs somewhere else??

Your crossing picket in a rather weak attempt to juatify it as its paying their wages
(they dont be paid when on strike if i had to guess)

By all means.....ignore the pickets and people looking out for themselves......but dont whinge about poor/bare minimum service you recive from them in the future?

rachb · 20-02-2017 1:37am

tomwaterford wrote: »

But theyd have jobs somewhere else??

Your crossing picket in a rather weak attempt to juatify it as its paying their wages
(they dont be paid when on strike if i had to guess)

By all means.....ignore the pickets and people looking out for themselves......but dont whinge about poor/bare minimum service you recive from them in the future?

No I won't. I've already crossed it and will continue to do as I do my shopping weekly in Tesco. I was already thanked in store by a worker for shopping this week even with the strike.
The workers "looking out for themselves" have been offered a fair package for their basically unskilled jobs, that they have been doing since pre 96, so I won't feel any remorse for doing so.

end of the road · 20-02-2017 2:57am

seamus wrote: »

Solidarity with what? So you support any strike, regardless of what it's about?

one who has any bit of decentsy does not cross a picket whether they agree or disagree with a strike.

ThisRegard wrote: »

It's not just the money that's the issue, it's their totally inflexible work practices, who's slack has to be picked up by other employees. They don't have overwhelming support within the company and the nonsense of them going in, filling up trollies and abandoning them at the checkout only further antagonises relationships within the store, it's their colleagues who then have to sort that out.

this bunch of lies have all ready been proven to be exactly that, lies. they were spouted at the very start of the dispute in an aim to discredit these poor workers, and thankfully the evidence showed them to be lies. try again.

ThisRegard wrote: »

Why should you have solidarity with something you're not involved in or don't agree with? Pretty much every private company has to continuously adapt to the market they operate in, the vast majority of employees in a company realise this and will work with them, their success is mutually beneficial.

you don't cross a picket. that's it. if the company tries to screw you you do not take it lying down.

ThisRegard wrote: »

Like i said, it's their refusal to be flexible beyond their contracts from before 1996. Before the redundancy roll out you had for example butchers insisting they work the early hours and finish early in stores that didn't even have butchers anymore. Why would you want them working for you?

doesn't happen, never happened. i'm sure there are some staff who are begrudgers and don't support their fellow workers because of jealousy but i'm afraid that is their problem.

20-02-2017 3:00am

Arghus wrote: »

The term "starter job" is such a condescending phrase.

Why?

ShaneU · 20-02-2017 3:08am

Phoebas wrote: »

There was a Tesco picket at the entrance to Artane Shopping Centre today.

Not at the entrance to the Tesco inside the centre, but at the entrance to the whole shopping centre - which has another 15 retail businesses, all of whom aren't anything to do with the dispute, but will have been effected by the picket.
Its a bad show by the Tesco strikers to be damaging the livelihoods of people not party to the dispute.

The grounds of Artane Castle, including the car park are Tesco property, they're not allowed picket in it. Do you think they would stand out in the cold all day if they were allowed in the centre? use your head.

end of the road · 20-02-2017 3:12am

LordSutch wrote: »

Should 250 disgruntled Tesco employees be allowed to hold everybody to ransom?

Tesco do a great job, we'd be lost without them.

nobody is being held to ransom, they can shop in plenty of other shops. we wouldn't be lost without Tesco as there are plenty of others who are actually cheeper and of better quality.

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

€14 per hour is huge money for what's basically unskilled work. And it's more than their post 96 colleagues - doing the same job - are on.

Yes retail wages are low: thats why most people pull finger, study and get into either management or another industry. Starter jobs should not be seen as jobs for life.

such jobs are only starter jobs if one only wants them to be a starter job. to suggest that they are simply a starter job is the typical celtic tiger, looking down one's nose at others, drivelry and bull****tery, that turned us into the country we are now. there is nothing wrong with doing the same job indefinitely and showing loyalty to a company. the fact that others aren't on the same money is unfortunate for them but it's not the job of the workers who are on the money to forgo it for others. they must fight and keep their jobs and their terms.

pauliebdub wrote: »

I'd have no problem crossing a picket line - it does depend on what the strike was about though. I'm surprised that a company like Tesco recognises unions considering that they don't have to and few retailers do. I've never been a member of a union and have very little time for them.

most likely economies of scale and efficientsy. much easier and more efficient to deal with a union then thousands of staff individually.

rachb wrote: »

No I won't. I've already crossed it and will continue to do as I do my shopping weekly in Tesco. I was already thanked in store by a worker for shopping this week even with the strike.
The workers "looking out for themselves" have been offered a fair package for their basically unskilled jobs, that they have been doing since pre 96, so I won't feel any remorse for doing so.

nope, they haven't been offered a fair anything.

Saoirse1981 · 20-02-2017 3:22am

I shop online with Tesco every week. The other day I got a Survey from them asking amongst other questions had I heard anything about them in the media lately and if I thought they treated their workers fairly.

I went to get a few bits in the store today, saw the picket line and changed my mind about going in the store.

One or two of my delivery men are older men, I see them struggle to carry my goods up my steps. I always try help them. I know they don't make a lot but are trying to make something in their later years. I worked sh*t jobs myself most of my life. I wanted college but it was a different time for me and I never got it. I would work like a dog for someone who treats me right, I would still do my best for someone who treats me wrong but never put my heart in it.

I cannot bring myself to walk past a picket line and I really want people who work hard and do sh*t jobs to be paid fairly. Its no fun struggling all your life.

Stigura · 20-02-2017 3:43am

Now, I Know I'm an absolute c*** here. But;

When ever I have a scab? I just can't help but pick it!

Arghus · 20-02-2017 3:51am

Phoebas wrote: »

There was a Tesco picket at the entrance to Artane Shopping Centre today.

Not at the entrance to the Tesco inside the centre, but at the entrance to the whole shopping centre - which has another 15 retail businesses, all of whom aren't anything to do with the dispute, but will have been effected by the picket.
Its a bad show by the Tesco strikers to be damaging the livelihoods of people not party to the dispute.

I believe that Tesco won't allow pickets at the enterance to the store, so the location they picked was as close as they were permitted to get.

ED E · 20-02-2017 4:03am

end of the road wrote: »

one who has any bit of decentsy does not cross a picket whether they agree or disagree with a strike.

Nonsense as usual.

Arghus · 20-02-2017 4:18am

LordSutch wrote: »

Should 250 disgruntled Tesco employees be allowed to hold everybody to ransom?

Tesco do a great job, we'd be lost without them.

Tesco agreed to these terms and conditions and now wants to force change through. It's been spun that it's all about a group who won't budge, but please remember that they aren't the ones who started the process. The pre-96ers aren't looking for extra; they just want the terms and conditions of their contracts - which the company entered into willlingly - to be honoured.

Tesco have really won the PR war this time around. Last year when it looked like there was going to be a general nationwide strike, they kept fairly tight lipped about it in the media. This year - after getting about 90% of the pre96ers off the payroll in the meantime, which weakens the unions strength considerably - they've been out quickly and often to give everyone their version of events: Utter Crap like: How it's all about a teeny weeney group of workers who just keep asking for more and more etc, etc, and how they as a company should be patted on the back for being so magnanimous as to acknowledge unions (who they've worked quite successfully to undermine and weaken in the last 3 years) and contract bands for loyal workers who've worked there for years. Give me a break!

Phoebas · 20-02-2017 7:55am

ShaneU wrote: »

The grounds of Artane Castle, including the car park are Tesco property, they're not allowed picket in it. Do you think they would stand out in the cold all day if they were allowed in the centre? use your head.

Arghus wrote: »

I believe that Tesco won't allow pickets at the enterance to the store, so the location they picked was as close as they were permitted to get.

That certainly addresses the strikers motivations, but it completely ignores the needs of the other tenants in the shopping centre, many of them small businesses.

Are Tesco strikers right to damage other businesses who have no part in this dispute?

Jawgap · 20-02-2017 8:35am

tomwaterford wrote: »

I can never fathom how people that do this...think its a good idea

Theyll have to work/try live arpund the people theyve walked past??

You want to know why......here's why......

SeanW wrote: »

No, just go somewhere else.

The Tesco workers aren't like the public sector waestrels - they're in a business where they have to compete with other shops (unlike the PS, who work in State monopolies and can bring entire sectors of the country/economy to a halt). With private companies like Tesco, you can just go to another store.

Also given how rare Private Sector strikes are relative to public sector, you have to suspect the company must have been a special kind of dick to push their workers to that point.

All you're being asked to do is go to another shop ... it's not a Herculean feat.

I worked in the PS up until recently and I remember vitriol poured on PS workers for striking - so it can hardly be surprising that people are less inclined towards respecting picket lines compared to previously?

Plus, where are people supposed to shop? Dunne's have had their issues with staff and zero hours contracts (never mind how they continue to treat suppliers)......convenience stores are over-priced......Aldi and Lidl are non-union.

oh, and by the way the current round of industrial unrest really started with the Luas workers and their private sector employer caving to their demands.

....and in this instance I don't know why there is such sympathy for the Tesco workers - they went to the WRC, they got a ruling and they still spat their dummy - I'm guessing if an employer followed a similar tack they'd be rightly filleted for it.

Annasopra · 20-02-2017 8:43am

Delacent wrote: »

The deal offered by tesco was said to have been quite good, but as usual the union thought they'd try and squeeze more.

It backfired and they're now out on strike.

Btw, Tesco is a public company and mostly owned by pension funds of ordinary people - the media will never explain that as it doesn't paint the nasty "big business" picture they like to portray.

Dont forget the CEOs wages were 4.6 million last year.

Richard Hillman · 20-02-2017 8:46am

The people that are working I presume are the part-time staff. Secondary school and College students, with no safeguards. People can hardly expect them to strike

Annasopra · 20-02-2017 8:48am

mariaalice wrote: »

And apparently there are only 250 staff involved Tesco are stupid on this one in general they are very good to work for.

They're trying to break these workers next and then move onto the next ones.

Wanderer78 · 20-02-2017 8:50am

Free market capitalism has failed, it's time for us to move on from it, only thing is, nobody really knows what to do next. Best of luck to the Tesco workers, the odds are seriously stacked against them

Annasopra · 20-02-2017 8:51am

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

€14 per hour is huge money for what's basically unskilled work. And it's more than their post 96 colleagues - doing the same job - are on.

Yes retail wages are low: thats why most people pull finger, study and get into either management or another industry. Starter jobs should not be seen as jobs for life.

Begrudgery of people working. I didnt think boards.ie could ever go this low.

Annasopra · 20-02-2017 8:54am

Phoebas wrote: »

There was a Tesco picket at the entrance to Artane Shopping Centre today.

Not at the entrance to the Tesco inside the centre, but at the entrance to the whole shopping centre - which has another 15 retail businesses, all of whom aren't anything to do with the dispute, but will have been effected by the picket.
Its a bad show by the Tesco strikers to be damaging the livelihoods of people not party to the dispute.

Well actually thats tescos fault. They wont allow the unions to picket the storefronts. And also in the two tescos I have passed by they are oficially encouraging the public not to boycott other businesses.

Jawgap · 20-02-2017 8:55am

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Dont forget the CEOs wages were 4.6 million last year.

So you're begrudging a guy who went to a Poly, then worked his way from an entry level position up through Unilever to head up Tesco his salary.....

.....gotta love Ireland - instead of pointing out what getting an education and applying yourself in a job can bring, we get commentary about the salary :rolleyes:

Annasopra · 20-02-2017 9:01am

Jawgap wrote: »

So you're begrudging a guy who went to a Poly, then worked his way from an entry level position up through Unilever to head up Tesco his salary.....

.....gotta love Ireland - instead of pointing out what getting an education and applying yourself in a job can bring, we get commentary about the salary :rolleyes:

Nope

I'm highlighting that Tesco is a highly profitable company that has no problem giving its senior management high wages.

Richard Hillman · 20-02-2017 9:07am

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Well actually thats tescos fault. They wont allow the unions to picket the storefronts. And also in the two tescos I have passed by they are oficially encouraging the public not to boycott other businesses.

The Tesco closest to me are specifically holding their protests on the entrance roads to the shopping centre, whilst the other businesses at the shopping centre are struggling. If they are officially encouraging people not to boycott the other businesses, they are not doing a very good job of it.

I support their cause but their behaviour isn't endearing themselves to anybody.

Phoebas · 20-02-2017 9:07am

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Well actually thats tescos fault. They wont allow the unions to picket the storefronts. And also in the two tescos I have passed by they are oficially encouraging the public not to boycott other businesses.

Saying that it's Tesco's fault is a bit of a cop out. The strikers are responsible for where they mount their pickets - no one put a gun to their heads.

And the vast majority of customers of the shopping centre I mentioned arrive by car, so there isn't any opportunity for Tesco strikers to encourage them not to boycott other businesses. They can't just stop for a chat at the roundabout at the entrance to the shopping centre.

Its perfectly ok to argue that the collateral damage to other businesses is a price worth paying, but at least lets not try to pass the responsibility off to someone else.

tomwaterford · 20-02-2017 9:11am

Jawgap wrote: »

You want to know why......here's why......

I worked in the PS up until recently and I remember vitriol poured on PS workers for striking - so it can hardly be surprising that people are less inclined towards respecting picket lines compared to previously?

Plus, where are people supposed to shop? Dunne's have had their issues with staff and zero hours contracts (never mind how they continue to treat suppliers)......convenience stores are over-priced......Aldi and Lidl are non-union.

oh, and by the way the current round of industrial unrest really started with the Luas workers and their private sector employer caving to their demands.

....and in this instance I don't know why there is such sympathy for the Tesco workers - they went to the WRC, they got a ruling and they still spat their dummy - I'm guessing if an employer followed a similar tack they'd be rightly filleted for it.

I know noone who's poured vitol on anyone for striking anywhere...

It's a basic right?

Tbh....I dunno Howd they face going back to work with people what crossed a picket line....it's literally the last thing you should do to someone your working with imo

At best they can hope they'll be civil to one and other after it....but I'd imagine it would make for a poisonous work atmosphere

Quite how you try to tie this into the luas strike is a leap of logic....I'm somewhat baffled by???

Gringo180 · 20-02-2017 9:12am

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

€14 per hour is huge money for what's basically unskilled work. And it's more than their post 96 colleagues - doing the same job - are on.

Yes retail wages are low: thats why most people pull finger, study and get into either management or another industry. Starter jobs should not be seen as jobs for life.

What an ignorant fool you are. 14 euro per hour is a take home of about 450 euro max a week after tax. How on earth is that huge money? Unskilled work? They still put the 40 hours a week in like everybody else, what gives you the right to belittle people doing an honest weeks work and calling them "starter" jobs?

You do know that not everybody can study and go into management or just move to another sector. What sort of Utopian world are you hailing from?

Jawgap · 20-02-2017 9:13am

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Nope

I'm highlighting that Tesco is a highly profitable company that has no problem giving its senior management high wages.

And that's an issue presumably covered in the WRC before they issued their decision.

I know the WRC is non-binding (a fundamental weakness) but do you think it's ok for the union to ignore the decision......and equally would it be ok for Tesco or any other company to do likewise if a decision was issued that didn't suit them?

Don't get me wrong, I'm not pro-Tesco or pro-employer, I just don't agree with unions ignoring WRC or LC determinations when it wouldn't be ok for employers to do likewise.

Gringo180 · 20-02-2017 9:14am

Anybody who crosses a picket line and supports a multi million pound company like Tesco who try to change there workers contracts for the worse is morally bankrupt, whether they know it or not.

tomwaterford · 20-02-2017 9:15am

Phoebas wrote: »

Saying that it's Tesco's fault is a bit of a cop out. The strikers are responsible for where they mount their pickets - no one put a gun to their heads.

And the vast majority of customers of the shopping centre I mentioned arrive by car, so there isn't any opportunity for Tesco strikers to encourage them not to boycott other businesses. They can't just stop for a chat at the roundabout at the entrance to the shopping centre.

Its perfectly ok to argue that the collateral damage to other businesses is a price worth paying, but at least lets not try to pass the responsibility off to someone else.

Do they not have banners/signs identifying they are from Tesco?

Jawgap · 20-02-2017 9:15am

tomwaterford wrote: »

I know noone who's poured vitol on anyone for striking anywhere...

It's a basic right?

Tbh....I dunno Howd they face going back to work with people what crossed a picket line....it's literally the last thing you should do to someone your working with imo

At best they can hope they'll be civil to one and other after it....but I'd imagine it would make for a poisonous work atmosphere

Quite how you try to tie this into the luas strike is a leap of logic....I'm somewhat baffled by???

It's about solidarity - if you don't give it, don't expect to receive it.

The link to the Luas strike was just a point to highlight in the other quoted post that while PS workers might strike more, it doesn't mean - as the current round of industrial unrest demonstrates - they are the only ones doing so.

paddyirishman07 · 20-02-2017 9:18am

As an employee who is on the picket line I have to say there is a general amount of the public supporting us. I have had a few people ask me what are ye looking for and my answer is simple noting we just want to be left alone. Tesco has not left us out for 6 days in the cold for a mere 250 staff they have a bigger picture.

Tesco has hired a company that organises in union busting and this IMO this all started in 2015 when Tesco paid some of its members a bonus and left the other half with zilch. (Tesco will not tell you that) eventually these members got there bonus after a fight in the lrc.

Tesco has also stated that they have agreed with the LRC and wrc but in fact the recommendation is only that and it states both parties are to talk for a period of 8 weeks and both parties must agree. (Tesco will not tell you that). The members have rejected not mandate as they have in the media.

Tesco also last year took on a group of staff and these staff members had to join the union themselves. (As in deductions were not taking through payroll) whereas it's a term of employment for most to be a member of a trade union. This was the start of it(Tesco will not tell you this) since September last Tesco re introduced new staff into the union again through payroll. (Tactic for no votes at the ballot box these are the few members who've passed the pickets)

Tesco was bringing staff into meetings before the strikes begin and told us we could leave our union and just cross the picket noting will happen us. Some asked can I get in writing that you will never touch my contact and we're simply told NO.

The bigger picture here is Tesco is trying to get the union out. They are trying to split the staff and in a few cases it has worked.

I've been with the company over 14 years and I'm not on the picket for 250 people I'm on it for myself my family my children.

If Tesco get away with breaking terms and conditions of employment every private sector worker will eventually have it done to them.

OTHER BUSINESSES ARE WATCHING

tomwaterford · 20-02-2017 9:22am

Jawgap wrote: »

It's about solidarity - if you don't give it, don't expect to receive it.

The link to the Luas strike was just a point to highlight in the other quoted post that while PS workers might strike more, it doesn't mean - as the current round of industrial unrest demonstrates - they are the only ones doing so.

Tbh....I've no issue with public workers striking.....

The only issue I have with unions is they rarely represent non public sector workers and lower paid workers espially(IE those what need it most)

.....but that is perhaps a discussion for a different thread

paddyirishman07 · 20-02-2017 9:28am

Just so I can confirm we have been told we cannot picket on tesco property,we can't use the toilet,we can't wear our uniform,we can only stand in a particular place where noone can see us. etc etc.

Tesco bully tactics. If a striker is in an inconvenient place please stress this to Tesco management's that they are causing obstruction and how they should be at the front door of Tescos because that's where we all want to be but are not allowed.

ThisRegard · 20-02-2017 9:28am

end of the road wrote: »

one who has any bit of decentsy does not cross a picket whether they agree or disagree with a strike.

this bunch of lies have all ready been proven to be exactly that, lies. they were spouted at the very start of the dispute in an aim to discredit these poor workers, and thankfully the evidence showed them to be lies. try again.

you don't cross a picket. that's it. if the company tries to screw you you do not take it lying down.

doesn't happen, never happened. i'm sure there are some staff who are begrudgers and don't support their fellow workers because of jealousy but i'm afraid that is their problem.

You never cease to amaze me EOTR with your blatant disregard for reality, no matter what the topic.

Phoebas · 20-02-2017 9:29am

tomwaterford wrote: »

Do they not have banners/signs identifying they are from Tesco?

It was perfectly clear, certainly to me anyway, that they were from Tesco - I'm not sure what point you're trying to make.

Jawgap · 20-02-2017 9:29am

paddyirishman07 wrote: »

As an employee who is on the picket line I have to say there is a general amount of the public supporting us. I have had a few people ask me what are ye looking for and my answer is simple noting we just want to be left alone. Tesco has not left us out for 6 days in the cold for a mere 250 staff they have a bigger picture.

Tesco has hired a company that organises in union busting and this IMO this all started in 2015 when Tesco paid some of its members a bonus and left the other half with zilch. (Tesco will not tell you that) eventually these members got there bonus after a fight in the lrc.

Tesco has also stated that they have agreed with the LRC and wrc but in fact the recommendation is only that and it states both parties are to talk for a period of 8 weeks and both parties must agree. (Tesco will not tell you that). The members have rejected not mandate as they have in the media.

Tesco also last year took on a group of staff and these staff members had to join the union themselves. (As in deductions were not taking through payroll) whereas it's a term of employment for most to be a member of a trade union. This was the start of it(Tesco will not tell you this) since September last Tesco re introduced new staff into the union again through payroll. (Tactic for no votes at the ballot box these are the few members who've passed the pickets)

Tesco was bringing staff into meetings before the strikes begin and told us we could leave our union and just cross the picket noting will happen us. Some asked can I get in writing that you will never touch my contact and we're simply told NO.

The bigger picture here is Tesco is trying to get the union out. They are trying to split the staff and in a few cases it has worked.

I've been with the company over 14 years and I'm not on the picket for 250 people I'm on it for myself my family my children.

If Tesco get away with breaking terms and conditions of employment every private sector worker will eventually have it done to them.

OTHER BUSINESSES ARE WATCHING

so it's not about the pre-1996 contracts? Was there not an LRC determination about them specifically.

I can't access the LRC/WRC pages at the moment, their site seems to be down.

Gringo180 · 20-02-2017 9:29am

paddyirishman07 wrote: »

OTHER BUSINESSES ARE WATCHING

Exactly. Its a race to the bottom and most multi million/billion pound companies only care is for the profits and not there staff. Its sad and whats even worse is that some people would rather support the companies than the normal joe soap who is being screwed out of a livable wage.

Phoebas · 20-02-2017 9:31am

paddyirishman07 wrote: »

Just so I can confirm we have been told we cannot picket on tesco property,we can't use the toilet,we can't wear our uniform,we can only stand in a particular place where noone can see us. etc etc.

Tesco bully tactics. If a striker is in an inconvenient place please stress this to Tesco management's that they are causing obstruction and how they should be at the front door of Tescos because that's where we all want to be but are not allowed.

Strikers can hardly expect the businesses they are trying to damage to facilitate them,- can they?

georgewickstaff · 20-02-2017 9:31am

So let me get this straight...

According to some of the high horse brigade the Tesco workers should

1) Allow Tesco management to alter their basic agreed terms and conditions and return to work like good little serfs. So by definition any employer should be allowed to do this when they feel the need? Or is Tesco a special case?

Or

Take redundacy from a 14 euro an hour role to "stack shelves at mimimum wage elsewhere as its not a hard job".

So if you had 20 years service and took the 50k redundancy while you were in your mid 40s it is ok in the minds of the indignant to take a drop to 17.5k p.a. if indeed you can actually get a 39 hour per week contract and slave away in the hope that you can again rise in the ranks and maybe earn 14 euro per hour?

If it is cost neutral for management to change these contracts why are they doing it? The workers do not want more, they simply want to carry on as is. Yet the staff in dispute are getting **** on here for their actions?

Best of luck to them.

Scabs?

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