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rainbow kirby wrote: »Not injured, but seemingly I can't go more than about 5 weeks without this bug (or something similar) coming back to me. Stupid immune system.
Ah sh1te RK, I thought you were well back on track. Must be so frustrating.0 -
So how is everyone doing? Has anyone gotten off the bench yet? Im still broken, thought I was getting better last week but my arch is very sore again this week:( Keeping myself busy with walking, swimming and cycling. Maybe Im doing too much?
I'm sitting with you on that bench
I can't walk but I have 2 young kids so it's impossible not to be on my feet most of the times. My foot was getting better but after the weekend with the kids I could feel the pain coming back AND in my other foot too. Luckily, they go to the creche during the week and my mum is coming over soon so she can help and I'll have a chance to rest both feet.
I can swim too, and I need it because my back is sore from waddling. I can cycle too, but today is too windy I don't want to push my luck too much0 -
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I'd a problem with my achilles approx 5 weeks ago which stopped me running any more than 2-3km.
I went to a physio and worked with him right up till the IM70.3 in Galway. I ran zero km in the 4 weeks leading up to the race. During the race I was good for approx 8-9km and then had to settle into a walk.
Went back to physio last night and he reckons that I came just short of a tear. No activity at all for this week, then starting back with swimming etc. Ice and heat.
I still find it mad that he can trace the achilles problem on one side to under my foot, and on the other side to my hip. 'Its all connected' is a phrase I'm getting pretty tired of.
So, it'll be ice cream and jelly for the next couple of weeks
Do I regret doing the IM70.3, no. And I still raging about the further damage I caused myself, yes. 0 -
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connundrum wrote: »I'd a problem with my achilles approx 5 weeks ago which stopped me running any more than 2-3km.
I went to a physio and worked with him right up till the IM70.3 in Galway. I ran zero km in the 4 weeks leading up to the race. During the race I was good for approx 8-9km and then had to settle into a walk.
Went back to physio last night and he reckons that I came just short of a tear. No activity at all for this week, then starting back with swimming etc. Ice and heat.
I still find it mad that he can trace the achilles problem on one side to under my foot, and on the other side to my hip. 'Its all connected' is a phrase I'm getting pretty tired of.
So, it'll be ice cream and jelly for the next couple of weeks
Do I regret doing the IM70.3, no. And I still raging about the further damage I caused myself, yes.
Achilles and other tendon injuries are very slow. I have had two previous Achilles issues for which I had laser with dr leahy at the laser centre in Hume St. I changed my running technique and had no problem for years until I had some recent bad luck.
I currently have a big tear and without the laser I dont think I would be as good as I am now. What I like about his treatment is that he does an ultrasound scan first to see what damage is there and its exact location. I Likely had a small tear at first but I didnt recognise how injured it was because I could still run on it. Then it went bang!
If you can have an ultrasound scan it will at least tell you whether it is just overworked and stressed out or whether there is an actual deficit that will take months to repair. Some select physios do have a diagnostic ultrasound scanning service otherwise it may be hospital app. Just a thought if it persists.
I only needed to stop running for about 2 days after the first treatment and it was perfect after it .0 -
I was getting better last week but my arch is very sore again this week Keeping myself busy with walking, swimming and cycling. Maybe Im doing too much?
I'm slowly and painfully learning, this time around, that if it is sore ... figure out what is aggravating it and stop ! It may not be too much ... but it might be too much of a specific thing.Do you find the ice help injuries? I've tried to apply ice packs but aside from my skin feeling numb, I can't notice any difference
AFAIK, ice is useful to reduce inflamation - but like everything else whether it is useful depends on the type of injury. Some injuries call for heat, some call for both. The general rule it thumb is to apply ice for 15-20 minutes an hour max. There is no benefit to freezing yourself - more may not be good let alone better ! What does the doc/physio say ?jester1980 wrote: »Just looking for a little advise, doing my first half marathon this sat.
... started to get a lot of uncomfort in my right knee, ..... i wouldnt say its painful but its uncomfortable but i dont feel the uncomfort on the short run only after about 13 km on the long one.
.... I really want to do it as have put in some hard training.
As other have said - see a physio. But here's the question - are you willing to risk doing real damage to get this race in ? There will be other HMs, other races ....? The training you've done will stand to you if you keep it up consistantly. So that's the trade off you face ... it tough but only you can really decide if this one race is worth it. I know I usually figure there is always another race... though dropping out of my A 'race' for the second half of this year has been difficult to take.
So ... I'm now on comeback attempt number 4
! Have run a few times ... but am no longer trying to return for an autumn marathon - or any racing for the rest of the year. The big goal is get back to where I was. I've finally accepted that I really hurt myself - though I still cannot understand how
and so I did not really REALLY believe it until about a week ago.
I've resurrected my old knee brace to protect against a re occurrence of an old injury from overcompensating for the current injury. Distances I would have felt were a warmup a eight weeks ago are now a ....challenge ! It's odd how strange running feels right now. After the run today the butt muscle is not 100% and the hip is achey. This time I am taking is very very slow so no run tomorrow.0 -
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hot to trot wrote: »Achilles and other tendon injuries are very slow. I have had two previous Achilles issues for which I had laser with dr leahy at the laser centre in Hume St. I changed my running technique and had no problem for years until I had some recent bad luck.
I currently have a big tear and without the laser I dont think I would be as good as I am now. What I like about his treatment is that he does an ultrasound scan first to see what damage is there and its exact location. I Likely had a small tear at first but I didnt recognise how injured it was because I could still run on it. Then it went bang!
If you can have an ultrasound scan it will at least tell you whether it is just overworked and stressed out or whether there is an actual deficit that will take months to repair. Some select physios do have a diagnostic ultrasound scanning service otherwise it may be hospital app. Just a thought if it persists.
I only needed to stop running for about 2 days after the first treatment and it was perfect after it .
I am always wary of physios, and have asked my guy yesterday whether laser and/or other treatment would be necessary. He advised no, but then I'm (cynically) wondering whether he's just happy for the €50 per week he's getting from me.
Thus far he hasn't guided me wrong, but again he's only giving me an opinion (by feel) as to how bad my injuries are.
I guess that this will be the constant problem with people visiting physios i.e. what if he's getting it wrong, could I be recovering quicker etc etc.
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connundrum wrote: »I am always wary of physios, and have asked my guy yesterday whether laser and/or other treatment would be necessary. He advised no, but then I'm (cynically) wondering whether he's just happy for the €50 per week he's getting from me.
Thus far he hasn't guided me wrong, but again he's only giving me an opinion (by feel) as to how bad my injuries are.
I guess that this will be the constant problem with people visiting physios i.e. what if he's getting it wrong, could I be recovering quicker etc etc.
Ah, I dunno
Laser provided by physios and other therapists are low level or cold laser. probe outputs are around 200mw. What I had was a high power hot surgical laser with power in the 000's mw. You have to have a local anaesthetic before it is applied. The laser probe is put within the damaged tissue and stimulation of new collagen tissue happens where it is needed.
Physio laser is done through the skin and by the time it reaches muscle and deep tissues you have lost a lot of the available power. It has its uses and I do use it but I find that its a waste of time for "proper" achilles injuries.0 -
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There goes the Dublin Marathon for me was out doing LSR in the Killarney National Park last weekend and my achilles started playing up, had to pull up and hobble for last 3 miles, went to physio, gave it a rub and reckons its just a light strain. Gonna just go with feeling and see how it is, wont run on it til weekend, and even then if it gives trouble I wont push it, had enough injuries to know the value of patience whilst recuperating, just swimming and cross training til then.
Be interested to hear from Connundrum and Hot To Trot though about what kind of strength and rehab work they done on their achilles problems and how the recovery period went, length of time, etc. Interested in getting general idea of how others have dealt with the rehab and recovery of this kind of injury.0 -
Sorry to hear about your new achilles problem.
I havent really been able to rehab mine yet, as i have only just reached past the risk of total rupture a week ago. If I had tried to stretch it , it would have torn apart. Wasnt physically able to do any meaningful strengthening either except for trying to walk without a limp . Which I can do now. I walked my first mile in 12 weeks two nights ago. So far so good. I will increase distance and pace and then gradually introduce walking small inclines and when that feels ok I will start doing the heel drop eccentric exercises. Important when doing these that you dont actively lift your heel , that the movment is controlled lowering of the heel over the edge of the step.
Previous achiles issues... when I had a cyst- i was able to run painfree after the laser so just gradually built it up running , heel drops and some stretching.0 -
Sorry to hear about your new achilles problem.
I havent really been able to rehab mine yet, as i have only just reached past the risk of total rupture a week ago. If I had tried to stretch it , it would have torn apart. Wasnt physically able to do any meaningful strengthening either except for trying to walk without a limp . Which I can do now
. I walked my first mile in 12 weeks two nights ago. So far so good. I will increase distance and pace and then gradually introduce walking small inclines and when that feels ok I will start doing the heel drop eccentric exercises. Important when doing these that you dont actively lift your heel , that the movment is controlled lowering of the heel over the edge of the step.
Previous achiles issues... when I had a cyst- i was able to run painfree after the laser so just gradually built it up running , heel drops and some stretching
Ouch, nasty, that sounds like a bad one. good point about the heel lifts though, I do them, but may have been actively liftin the heel too much in the past.
I think I may have increased my mileage too much lately, having done Dingle half and trying to make it for Dublin, oh well!0 -
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hot to trot wrote: »Sorry to hear about your new achilles problem.
I havent really been able to rehab mine yet, as i have only just reached past the risk of total rupture a week ago. If I had tried to stretch it , it would have torn apart. Wasnt physically able to do any meaningful strengthening either except for trying to walk without a limp . Which I can do now. I walked my first mile in 12 weeks two nights ago. So far so good. I will increase distance and pace and then gradually introduce walking small inclines and when that feels ok I will start doing the heel drop eccentric exercises. Important when doing these that you dont actively lift your heel , that the movment is controlled lowering of the heel over the edge of the step.
Previous achiles issues... when I had a cyst- i was able to run painfree after the laser so just gradually built it up running , heel drops and some stretching.
oh dear, it sounds bad
Can you explain the heel drop? I think I have done it wrongly, which might explain the dull ache I now feel in the other foot (that and being on my feet a lot yesterday, even with the crutch it gets its fair deal of weight)
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Scholesy1981 wrote: »There goes the Dublin Marathon for me was out doing LSR in the Killarney National Park last weekend and my achilles started playing up, had to pull up and hobble for last 3 miles, went to physio, gave it a rub and reckons its just a light strain. Gonna just go with feeling and see how it is, wont run on it til weekend, and even then if it gives trouble I wont push it, had enough injuries to know the value of patience whilst recuperating, just swimming and cross training til then.
Be interested to hear from Connundrum and Hot To Trot though about what kind of strength and rehab work they done on their achilles problems and how the recovery period went, length of time, etc. Interested in getting general idea of how others have dealt with the rehab and recovery of this kind of injury.
At the min I've a problem with my achilles and the muscle at the top of my calf (can't remember it's name atm).
I've to do no exercise at all this week, keep it elevated. Ice/Heat it for 12 minute spells where possible.
I've to do very minimal stretches with the foot and calf. Additionally, physio has suggested rolling my bare foot over a glof ball, this will loosen up tendons in the foot which will aid with the healing process.
I'm kind of frustrated as I'm at nothing since IM Galway.. well nothing except eating everything around me
My physio is a guy who works out of a gym and I do wonder if I should see someone else who might refer a scan or other treatment.0 -
connundrum wrote: »Scholesy1981 wrote: »There goes the Dublin Marathon for me was out doing LSR in the Killarney National Park last weekend and my achilles started playing up, had to pull up and hobble for last 3 miles, went to physio, gave it a rub and reckons its just a light strain. Gonna just go with feeling and see how it is, wont run on it til weekend, and even then if it gives trouble I wont push it, had enough injuries to know the value of patience whilst recuperating, just swimming and cross training til then.
Be interested to hear from Connundrum and Hot To Trot though about what kind of strength and rehab work they done on their achilles problems and how the recovery period went, length of time, etc. Interested in getting general idea of how others have dealt with the rehab and recovery of this kind of injury.
At the min I've a problem with my achilles and the muscle at the top of my calf (can't remember it's name atm).
I've to do no exercise at all this week, keep it elevated. Ice/Heat it for 12 minute spells where possible.
I've to do very minimal stretches with the foot and calf. Additionally, physio has suggested rolling my bare foot over a glof ball, this will loosen up tendons in the foot which will aid with the healing process.
I'm kind of frustrated as I'm at nothing since IM Galway.. well nothing except eating everything around me
My physio is a guy who works out of a gym and I do wonder if I should see someone else who might refer a scan or other treatment.
if it's badly injured ... You probly know your toast... But ... If it's ok i'd reccomend gettin ankle suppourts called pro sport/ made by scholl ( eBay/ chemists) I've allways had niggly Achilles as I've frat feet ...wear em all time and great suppourt .
Hope it not as bad as you feel.0 -
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Good to read some positive outcomes!
2 weeks on and I am none the wiser. The physio believes I had bone bruising on the outside of my heel bone, and after the ultrasounds this is better. But... the inner side of the foot is horribly painful, while it didn't bother me at all before. Seems that I have replaced the other injury by a new one, without even moving off my couch. The more I rest, the more painful it gets so I'll try to keep moving, but I can only drag my foot for a few yards before my whole body feels too tense to move any further.
Now the physio is sending me to have some blood tests (to search for inflamation) and MRI.
I was hoping to go back to running soon, now I only wish I could walk without pain0 -
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9 mile run! Delighted for you pgmcpq. You are right to take the sensible approach. Im the same- now that all my racing plans for the rest of the year are scuppered I am focusing on taking the time to recover properly and not rush into upping the distance too soon.
Sensible ? That's not like me ... maybe I should lie down !
Yes, good to be back out there even if my running looks a bit like my moves on the dance floor back in the 80s.
Your swimming is coming along nicely. I'm tempted to follow your example and get lessons. I've started to swim a bit ... finding it very hard !....
2 weeks on and I am none the wiser. The physio believes I had bone bruising on the outside of my heel bone, and after the ultrasounds this is better. But... the inner side of the foot is horribly painful, while it didn't bother me at all before. Seems that I have replaced the other injury by a new one, without even moving off my couch. The more I rest, the more painful it gets so I'll try to keep moving, but I can only drag my foot for a few yards before my whole body feels too tense to move any further.
Now the physio is sending me to have some blood tests (to search for inflamation) and MRI.
I was hoping to go back to running soon, now I only wish I could walk without pain
You had mentioned earlier that you were spending time on your feet ? It may be that tensing against the discomfort might be causing some of the other problems. For example I keep tensing my left leg against the pain in my hip - the result is that I have aggravated a long standing problem in my left knee because there is no "give" in when I land. I'd beware forcing yourself to do anything that feel unnatural. It's frustrating but keep the faith and see what the MRI has to day. It's easy to imagine the worst (course I always do myself but ...)0 -
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Right............turns out my knee pain is really 2 super tight quads which took some work to get out!!
Quite painfull as i thought my knee cap was going to pop at 1 point.....
So now we have stretching,ITB rolling and squats,getting some gel type insoles for my everyday shoes.Hopefully these work as i don't really want to hand out for Orthotics if we can find a solution through other methods.
Going to use the insoles in my Lunar Eclipes and see if it helps with the PT and over pronation issues if not it is off to Runways for some seriously structed and cushioned running shoes..
Feel a bit better now as she is adamant that when i am loosened out i will be fine....
Careful there - that is what knocked me out
Been off the road now on and off for most of half of the year. Numerous physios - most of any spare cash I had. In my case though my kneecap did pop - and kept popping, won't stay in the damn track now.
Doing the same as you - have all the exercises and plan to slowly go back out in a week or two - well - whenever I get the nerve. Been on and off the road so much that the pleasure I used to get is a distant memory.0 -
I'm currently ramping up towards the New York Marathon in just under 6 weeks. I've been training well and looking forward to this all year and I'm hoping now it's not all scuppered.
All was going swimmingly until last weekend and the half marathon in the Phoenix Park. I pushed myself a bit more than usual and felt a bit of soreness in my achilles. Didn't run again til Tuesday evening when I did a 5 mile run. All was fine-ish til about a mile from home when my achilles went and I hobbled home.
Got an appointment with a physio on Wednesday (she came highly recommended and seemed to know her stuff). She diagnosed a light achilles strain (grade 1), gave it a good massage, and showed me some exercises. I have to admit I've never been the most diligent at stretching and warming up or down. She said I could attempt a run this weekend.
So I was feeling good that it was healing but this morning I had to run to catch a bus and my achilles did not feel good at all.
Now panicking about New York. After looking forward to it for so long I'll be raging if this niggle puts a spanner in the works 0 -
I'm currently ramping up towards the New York Marathon in just under 6 weeks. I've been training well and looking forward to this all year and I'm hoping now it's not all scuppered.
All was going swimmingly until last weekend and the half marathon in the Phoenix Park. I pushed myself a bit more than usual and felt a bit of soreness in my achilles. Didn't run again til Tuesday evening when I did a 5 mile run. All was fine-ish til about a mile from home when my achilles went and I hobbled home.
Got an appointment with a physio on Wednesday (she came highly recommended and seemed to know her stuff). She diagnosed a light achilles strain (grade 1), gave it a good massage, and showed me some exercises. I have to admit I've never been the most diligent at stretching and warming up or down. She said I could attempt a run this weekend.
So I was feeling good that it was healing but this morning I had to run to catch a bus and my achilles did not feel good at all.
Now panicking about New York. After looking forward to it for so long I'll be raging if this niggle puts a spanner in the works
Let the damn bus go !! Seriously - not running until the weekend really means "do not stress the injury" until the weekend.
Best of luck. I have had to resign myself to missing NY (luckily it's my "local" marathon so there was no trip involved) and know how it feels. You're a long way off anything that drastic at this stage.0 -
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