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12-05-2021, 23:24   #16
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Irish summer's are getting shorter every year.. We have this low system that is not going to shift until at least another week or 2.
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13-05-2021, 01:00   #17
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Irish summer's are getting shorter every year.. We have this low system that is not going to shift until at least another week or 2.
Even if it's the full two weeks before it shifts, it'll still be Spring then so at that point the summer is no shorter as it still will not have begun.

Fair enough, if in two weeks from now it looks like a continuation of what we're getting now is expected for another two weeks, then I might get slightly less positive but no point in complaining about summers getting shorter when the stuff you speak about is only about Spring.

But at the end of the day, summer is always June, July and August from a meteorological point of view. That is summer, full stop. You may have unseasonable weather during those months (just like any season), but summer is still three months long.
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Even if it's the full two weeks before it shifts, it'll still be Spring then so at that point the summer is no shorter as it still will not have begun.

Fair enough, if in two weeks from now it looks like a continuation of what we're getting now is expected for another two weeks, then I might get slightly less positive but no point in complaining about summers getting shorter when the stuff you speak about is only about Spring.

But at the end of the day, summer is always June, July and August from a meteorological point of view. That is summer, full stop. You may have unseasonable weather during those months (just like any season), but summer is still three months long.
I'm talking about the summer, how August is bad etc, I know how long the seasons last thanks ðŸ‘ðŸ»
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I see the BBC are referencing 2001 and 2012 in their outlook for the early part of summer. Not a good sign if those two summers are the equivalent of what we're facing into, I remember them both as being rubbish weatherwise.

Summer 2001 I was working outdoors as a labourer and the weather was awful.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/outlook
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I see the BBC are referencing 2001 and 2012 in their outlook for the early part of summer. Not a good sign if those two summers are the equivalent of what we're facing into, I remember them both as being rubbish weatherwise.

Summer 2001 I was working outdoors as a labourer and the weather was awful.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/outlook
2007 and 2012 were Shockers.
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If we look at May 2021's Northern Hemispheric 500mb height anomaly so far and compare it to that of June 2012 which was the most cyclonic month of that terrible summer, you can see a lot of similarities. Both feature a significant level of blocking in or around the Greenland peninsula with a trough of below average heights from the Atlantic into UK & Ireland and above average heights displaced well southward towards the southeast of Europe and the med.

2011-12 was a moderate La Niña winter and 2020-21 was too. Why I mention this is because whilst the state of the equatorial Pacific tends to go back neutral through the spring and into the summer (not always), there tends to be a lag on atmospheric impacts with the atmosphere still prone to producing patterns that are characteristics of Niña-esque composites historically such as a mid-Atlantic ridge. This can delve into a very complicated discussion so want to make it as straightforward to understand as possible, I'm still trying to learning it all to this day myself.

In the case of 2012, we saw an easterly in the first half of February like 2021 but it had little impact on Ireland. The second half of the month was much milder everywhere across the UK & Ireland, same as 2021. Both months were fairly zonal upstream after that Scandinavian high delivering the European cold waves in first halves of February 2012 and 2021. Late March was very mild to warm both years. We saw a change in April 2012, quite a dramatic one with the jet stream going on a southerly track and blocking areas of high pressure began to form around the Arctic and into Greenland which we hadn't seen much of since the winter of 2010-11. April 2021 seen a similar change after a zonal second half to February and much of March was zonal too but the difference being in 2021, the Greenland block sent a ridge which meant a dry month unlike April 2012. The first half of May 2012 was very cool and often unsettled whilst the second half seen a big improvement with a heatwave in the final week before that exceptional wet and dull June.

Why do I mention 2012 here? The similarities are quite interesting, like ignoring the surface conditions, the resemblance or comparison between the two years with regards to patterns and drivers is something to note. Both Januaries were quite different however with 2012 being more zonal and much milder. You'll never find a year that's like-for-like.



Do I expect a repeat of June or even summer 2012? No, that's not what I'm getting at. But what I will say is I am personally not optimistic for this summer, especially the early part with the trends of late. This Greenland block just doesn't seem to want to recede at the moment and reminds me a lot of what happened in 2012. Greenland blocks are so commonplace in summers since 2007 (except 2013 and 2018) that it's just something I've come to expect.

As for the very personal part of this post, I would love to be so wrong because I don't think I have wanted a good summer as much as I do now, particularly following on from the atrocity that is 2020. I loved April but now getting seriously fed up of the cool conditions and would really like a warm, dry spell or some good storms at least.
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It's actually kind of/most definitely still Spring and will remain so for another 3 weeks but I do look forward to see how summer pans out after a generally cool and often wet Spring, thus far.
Cool definitely, but very dry from St Patrick's Day to the end of April in most parts of the country, and remarkably so where I am. We've had a wet start to May, granted. We have short memories when it comes to weather.
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Cool definitely, but very dry from St Patrick's Day to the end of April in most parts of the country, and remarkably so where I am. We've had a wet start to May, granted. We have short memories when it comes to weather.
East and north wind for a lot of April so it was very harsh on any plants
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East and north wind for a lot of April so it was very harsh on any plants
Scaraveen. My garden is a bit worse for wear because of those easterlies.

But not wet.
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Huge difference to May 20202!!
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Sorry I thought summer started in May! What’s the difference in how people call the seasons?
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Huge difference to May 20202!!
I don't think you need to worry about May 20202 tbh.
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We're going to reach the summer solstice without a hint of heat aren't we?
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I don't think you need to worry about May 20202 tbh.
Oops that was my next thread
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When people think of cold countries, they usually think of something like Russia and Canada, well it is 25c - 30c in Moscow nearly every day and 20c in Toronto. Seems the people that say that have never been outside of Ireland and always bring up "muh temperation" response. Yes they get cold winters but they are far less windy which doesn't make it as bad as it might seem and they are guaranteed a good summer.
My dream is to go fully remote at some point in my job and move to Spain or somewhere similar. I was in awe when I went to Spain in February 2019 and seeing all the sunshine and warmth every day. Life is too short to suffer here hoping to get a glimpse of sunshine. I've been spoiled by living for 2 years in other countries as part of my job so now I suffer, wish I didn't so I would be satisfied here not knowing better.
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