Prostitution

bluewolf wrote:

And in the first page of the thread, "it's degrading to women" has been used here and there. I hardly see a difference between this and casual sex other than profit.

I used the word degrading once. I meant it in the context of a sex slave performing sexual acts for a paying customer. I find that degrading. When a man uses a woman as an object for his own sexual gratification then he is degrading her from a woman to a sexual object

I live by my Morals too, I am not really aware of any specific problems with any of the products i buy in the supermarket whereas men going to amsterdam are fully aware of the problem

Tar.Aldarion wrote:

Yet you know of them now, should most things from countries like china etc be made illegal here. Nike? It is a huge list you will find.
Problems within an industry should not make teh industry technically illegal whatsoever. i don't see your point about why it should remain illegal.

you obviously havent read my posts. I dont care if its legal or not. Thats not what im talking about. Its legal in Germany and Holland but still thousands of women are still trafficked there.

I am not talking about the legal aspect, I am not even talkign about if Prostitution is good or bad BUT i do believe there are so many trafficked women In Amsterdam and Germany that men are just fuelling the problem.

I totally understand the point you are making. Still, i find it hard to understand how a guy can go to Amsterdam and pay a girl for sex while knowing there is a huge amount of trafficked women there. I feel these men have to take on a bit more responsibility. Did you read what i posted from IOL? This is really a huge problem all over europe

Tar.Aldarion wrote:

Why can a guy not go to an up class place that he knows that people were not forced to work at?
Do you agree that these places are ok.
I totally agree that it is not ok to go to a lot of places.


Yes, I know well of the problems in the industry and most industries.
If your point is that there is a problem with the industry and men should be careful. I agree. It's pretty obvious.

i totally agree with everything you have said there. ( i still dont like the idea, but thats just me personally, i wouldnt have started a thread about this kinda thing)

Taken from http://www.catwinternational.org


TRAFFICKING
"Increased trafficking of women for prostitution is akin to slavery... women are bought and sold like cattle." (Anita Gradin, European Commissioner, European Race Audit Bulletin No 25, The Institute of Race Relations, London UK, 25 November 1997)

Approximately 500,000 women are annually trafficked into Western Europe. (International Organization for Migration, Michael Specter, "Traffickers’ New Cargo: Naive Slavic Women," New York Times, 11 January 1998)

Of 155 cases of trafficked women: 44 were from Central Europe, mainly the Czech Republic and Poland; 64 from Eastern Europe and the CIS, mainly Russia and the Ukraine; and 47 from developing countries, mainly Morocco, Thailand and the Dominican Republic. 3/4 of the women were under 25, and many were teenagers, between 15 and 18, especially among those from Central Europe. (Data by STV: Dutch NGO of women assisted by them in 1994, "Trafficking of Women to the European Union: Characterisitics, Trends and Policy Issues," European Conference on Trafficking in Women, (June 1996), IOM, 7 May 1996)


In several European Union Member States, prostitution has become increasingly dominated by foreign women. In many areas within the European Union the number of migrant prostitutes is higher than the number of local prostitutes (Brussa, 1995, p.7). ("Trafficking of Women to the European Union: Characteristic, Trends and Policy Issues," European Conference on Trafficking in Women, (June 1996), IOM, 7 May 1996)

The slave trade in women for sexual purposes is growing, and organized crime is more often behind this trade. Smuggling in humans is much less risky than smuggling drugs and it is highly profitable. (Commissioner Anita Gradin, "Conference on Trafficking in Women" European Commission, 10-11 June 1996)

Women from Africa (Ghana, Nigeria, Morocco), Latin America (Brazil, Colombia, the Dominican Republic), South East Asia (the Philippines, Thailand), and Central and Eastern Europe (Czech Republic, Hungary, Poland, Romania, Russia, Ukraine) are the largest groups of women being trafficked into the European Union. (Europe national data, "Trafficking of Women to the European Union: Characterisitics, Trends and Policy Issues," European Conference on Trafficking in Women, (June 1996), IOM, 7 May 1996)

Methods and Techniques of Traffickers

Trafficking has become increasingly territorial. Criminal groups from Russia control the markets for trafficked women and girls in Poland and Germany. Criminal Ukrainian groups reportedly control Hungary and Austria. The Italian market is controlled mainly by Russian and Albanian groups. In the Netherlands, there are reports of growing control by Eastern European trafficking gangs in every red light district. (Altink, 1995, p.131). The severity of violence, including murder, has also increased along with territorial behavior. In 1995, 5 Ukrainian women and their employer were found "hacked to pieces" in a suburb of Frankfurt in what police speculate was a dispute between rival trafficking networks. ("Trafficking of Women to the European Union: Characterisitics, Trends and Policy Issues," European Conference on Trafficking in Women, (June 1996), IOM, 7 May 1996)

Organized international trafficking networks and small trafficking rings specializing in smuggling women out of one single country are the two types of operations in trafficking of women into Europe. (International Orgainsation for Migration. European Race Audit Bulletin No. 25, The Institute of Race Relations, London UK, 25 November 1997)

The traffickers typically use children who are trafficked with their mothers for blackmail purposes. (Caritas, European Race Audit Bulletin No. 25, The Institute of Race Relations, London UK, 25 November 1997)

"Legal fronts to disguise traffic into the European Union include: entertainers, cabaret artists, au-pair girls, students, applicants for political refugee status, adoptions, marriages etc." (Michele Hirsch, "Plan of Action Against Trafficking in Women and Forced Prostitution," pp.13 & 14, Council of Europe, 1996)

Three types of traffickers have been classified:

In border regions occasional traffickers provide internal or international transportation. They are usually owners of taxis, small boats or trucks that can carry individuals or small groups from a drop-off point on the coast, across a narrow strait, or over a poorly secured border. This type is not organized in any sophisticated or ongoing way;

Small, well-organized trafficking rings often specialize in trafficking nationals out of one specific country, consistently using similar routing consistently;

Organized, international trafficking networks are most sophisticated, consequently most dangerous and difficult to combat. These networks have access to fraudulent and/or authentic, usually stolen, documents or the capability to produce falsified documents themselves. They can change routing and means of transportation when a traditional route is blocked. Members are present worldwide. Lodging and logistical support are at their disposal in countries of transit and destination. ("Trafficking of Women to the European Union: Characteristics, Trends and Policy Issues," European Conference on Trafficking in Women, (June 1996), IOM, 7 May 1996)

Three types of traffick networks have been classified:

The large scale network is based on a structure of international contacts at different political and economic levels in the countries of origin and destination. These use a variety of recruiting methods. This type of network often uses transit countries.


The medium scale network is distinct because it does not sell women to other groups. It keeps the women under its control and prostitutes them its own clubs and brothels.



The small scale network works approximately as follows: a club owner in a destination country needs some new women for his club. Through contacts with people in the prostitution business abroad, he places an order. Contacts recruit the women, accompany them to the destination and deliver her. ("Trafficking of Women to the European Union: Characterisitics, Trends and Policy Issues," European Conference on Trafficking in Women, (June 1996), IOM, 7 May 1996)





It is easier and less expensive to bring trafficked women from the Central and Eastern European Countries to the European Union than to recruit women from developing countries. The Central and Eastern European Countries are so close to the European Union’s borders, that the traffickers can easily afford to replace women with new trafficked women. ("Trafficking of Women to the European Union: Characterisitics, Trends and Policy Issues," European Conference on Trafficking in Women, (June 1996), IOM, 7 May 1996)


Women trafficked to the European Union from developing countries are likely to come from rural areas. ("Trafficking of Women to the European Union: Characterisitics, Trends and Policy Issues," European Conference on Trafficking in Women, (June 1996), IOM, 7 May 1996)


Official Corruption and Collaboration


European Union governments bear some responsibility for not only tolerating migrant prostitution and trafficking in women but also for encouraging it (Mansson, 1995). ("Trafficking of Women to the European Union: Characterisitics, Trends and Policy Issues," European Conference on Trafficking in Women, June 1996, IOM, 7 May 1996)


In Europe, the behavior of police towards victims of trafficking has led to reluctance on the part of the women to come forward." Police have also been discovered to collaborate with the traffickers (Bouffious and De Staercke, 1994). ("Trafficking of Women to the European Union: Characterisitics, Trends and Policy Issues," European Conference on Trafficking in Women, June 1996, IOM, 7 May 1996)


Health and Well-Being


Given the perilous conditions of some voyages, many women trafficked to the European Union face the threat of injury and even death. The women are frequently forced into a situation of extreme dependency that is comparable to that of being a hostage. The women have limited or no access to health care. ("Trafficking of Women to the European Union: Characterisitics, Trends and Policy Issues," European Conference on Trafficking in Women, (June 1996), IOM, 7 May 1996)


PROSTITUTION




There seems to be a growing demand in the European Union for more extreme and "exotic" sexual services, some of which in and by themselves produce extensive health risks (Mansson, 1995). ("Trafficking of Women to the European Union: Characterisitics, Trends and Policy Issues," European Conference on Trafficking in Women, (June 1996), IOM, 7 May 1996)


Prostitution Tourism


Belgium, France, Germany, Holland and other European nations have more than 15,000 known child sex offenders. ("Global law to punish sex tourists sought by Britain and EU," The Indian Express, 21 November 1997)



PORNOGRAPHY




As a result of the international investigation of a worldwide Internet child pornography ring, European governments are now asking that budgets to control child pornography which were previously due to be cut by the European Commission, be reinstated. German Chancellor Helmut Kohl has set up a committee to draft laws to improve co-ordination in the fight against child porn. Berlin police have stepped up investigations of e-mail addresses and have asked to interrogate the Belgian who was arrested in Rome, claiming that children kidnapped in Berlin were taken to a brothel in Rotterdam. ("Community reels at child horror," South China Morning Post, 23 July 1998)

DOLEMAN wrote:

If you really believe the girls who work in porn, and the girls in Ireland who are prostitutes are slaves, you need to get your head checked. You are creating a false reality.

Are you going to quit wearing sports clothes CoolGuy2006? Or are child slaves OK because they're not using their vagina?

I didnt say all the girls who work in porn are slaves. If you believe that none are slaves you are a fool and ignorant.

I didnt say that all the prostitutes in Ireland are slaves. If you believe that none are you are a fool and ignorant. i have posted a piece from IOL but you stilll dont seem to want to read it.

What part of me constantly repeating this do you not understand

With regards to sports clothes, I havent purchased any sports clothes in years.

DOLEMAN wrote:

You are creating a false reality.

No my friend, it is you who is creating a false reality. I am not creating these facts out of thin air, these facts are everywhere. Do a search in Google.

DOLEMAN wrote:

Again, more sensationalist (sp?) nonsense.

I am not surprised you are prepared to make such a comment. Disgusting, Go bury your head back in the sand, i know you dont want to hear anything tarnish your precious industry

DOLEMAN wrote:

The solution to prostitution is to legalise it and stop painting the women as damaged and to stop seeing sex and nudity as a bad thing.

you seem to say this like i disagree, i agree 100%, although i dont think legalisation is a big solution by itself. People obviously have to be better educated as to the problems that are out there, problems you say dont exist to the extent they do. As ive said its legal in Germany and Holland where trafficking still exists.

You talk about old Catholic Ireland, It is you who seems like you are from that Era, like those who claimed child abuse by the Clergy wasnt really happening

So every piece i can find on the subject you will just call it nonsense :-(