Closing Schools - What about working parents !!!

S.G.M. · 11-03-2020 7:46pm

Salary Negotiator wrote:

My girlfriend teaches in an ASD unit and some of her students arenâ€™t properly toilet trained, thereâ€™d be no way to stop infecting or being infected by those students.

Exactly, it's far from ideal but it's needed imo.

purifol0 · 11-03-2020 7:59pm

salmocab wrote: »

Thread isn’t really to do with sick pay though

If you close the schools parents will have to stay at home to mind them. Those parents won't get paid for that, but the teachers will. Both not working for the same reason, but only the public sector will get paid.

wally1990 · 11-03-2020 8:04pm

What about the nurses and other medical staff who are currently under pressure and under staffed who have children themselves?!?

schools closing will have a knock on impact to the medical sector staff availability.

Awful situation we are in

salmocab · 11-03-2020 8:15pm

purifol0 wrote: »

If you close the schools parents will have to stay at home to mind them. Those parents won't get paid for that, but the teachers will. Both not working for the same reason, but only the public sector will get paid.

Yes I’m not disputing that but you were talking about sick pay and this isn’t the same thing at all

Icyseanfitz · 11-03-2020 8:29pm

S.G.M. wrote: »

I get where you're coming from but I'm a SNA in a big secondary school and I can see how the hygiene is non existent with so many kids. Can fully see how closures will help prevent spread massively.

Also an SNA in a big school, it's scary when your working with loads of kids who will be in danger from this nevermind yourself and your family. No hope of containing it anybit in a school setting in my opinion, a lot of kids don't understand the seriousness of this and hygiene means nothing to a lot of them.

byhookorbycrook · 11-03-2020 9:08pm

marieholmfan wrote: »

Everybody checks out sometime.

Immunocompromised etc. should be moved to a safe place.

Septuagenarians and Octogenarians should make a will and go to confession.

Gee, thanks . As a primary teacher , where would you be sending me that is “ safe?”

S.G.M. · 11-03-2020 9:54pm

Icyseanfitz wrote:

Also an SNA in a big school, it's scary when your working with loads of kids who will be in danger from this nevermind yourself and your family. No hope of containing it anybit in a school setting in my opinion, a lot of kids don't understand the seriousness of this and hygiene means nothing to a lot of them.

Literally watched a child blow his nose with a tissue today, walk to put it in the bin, touch about three chairs before he sat down again and then engage with his peers sharing equipment.

carltonleon · 11-03-2020 10:07pm

WTF are the government waiting for , several countries have already closed their schools, the latest being Denmark. FFS Moldova only has 3 cases and they have closed them. Quite simply, if we are serious about slowing the spread then it is an essential and inevitable Step.... the sooner the ****ing better!!!
Some of the stories from Italy are dreadful, lots of young people with no underlying problems in ICU and they are running out of ventilators and not intubating anyone over 60

cannotlogin · 11-03-2020 10:33pm

All of the following are possible options:-

teachers,
older secondary school students,
third level students,
rota between parents - 3 families together so that each parent can work 4 out of 5 days
workers from the hospitality/retail sector who will have reduced hours
People who work freelance or self employed who have reduced bookings/hours

do you have any friends/family in those area?

It's far from ideal but it's a worldwide risk at the moment so it calls for finding creative solutions. Those who have to go to work do, those who don't should support others etc

olestoepoke · 11-03-2020 10:35pm

carltonleon wrote: »

WTF are the government waiting for , several countries have already closed their schools, the latest being Denmark. FFS Moldova only has 3 cases and they have closed them. Quite simply, if we are serious about slowing the spread then it is an essential and inevitable Step.... the sooner the ****ing better!!!
Some of the stories from Italy are dreadful, lots of young people with no underlying problems in ICU and they are running out of ventilators and not intubating anyone over 60

Is this true? Young people with no underlying problems in ICU? This goes against everything we are being told. If it is not true you really shouldn't be spouting it out.

Fleetwoodmac · 11-03-2020 10:41pm

purifol0 wrote: »

This thread is a sad reflection on the fact that Ireland is not a great country to get sick in if you are a private sector worker. Businesses have no obligation to pay sick pay no matter how well they're doing. Many will outright lie to the public on this matter claiming they cannot possibly pay. Not true for most medium to large outfits but of course we cannot know that since their books are off limits.

If we want Ireland to be a fairer place to the workers we must have an open book policy on private company finances - like Norway does.

Last week IBEC rocked up to the Dail and told the govt to use the citizens own taxes to pay for their own sick pay because big biz doesnt want to. Looks like they got their way.

Agreed in terms of large profitable business but there are many small and indeed medium business just about holding their own. Starting up a business in this country is only for the brave, there are little to no incentives ( unless your a large multinational) , rates are enormous and the raft of policies and procedures in some business are a full time job in itself. I know of several business owners who pay their staff before they get a wage. Be mindful that this will affect small and medium business owners, not just the workers. Self employed are only beginning to get the benefits that others get, in terms of illness benefit etc. Italy have just initiated closure of all nonessential business. This doesn't bear contemplation if it happens here and it'll be jobs not just wages that's a worry. I'm not a business owner btw, just an observer of some very hard workers.

byhookorbycrook · 11-03-2020 10:42pm

I have seen through verified accounts that those over 60 and with underlying health issues are being sidelined for treatment in Italy and in some cases left to die . For those of you who are young and healthy , thus could be your child/niece/granny/uncle who survived cancer . The “ sure I’m grand anyhow “ attitude of some is frightening.

carltonleon · 11-03-2020 11:56pm

olestoepoke wrote: »

Is this true? Young people with no underlying problems in ICU? This goes against everything we are being told. If it is not true you really shouldn't be spouting it out.

Who is spouting ??? Read this

https://www.itv.com/news/2020-03-11/italy-doctors-coronavirus-covid-19-quarantine-milan-health/

kerryjack · 12-03-2020 10:36am

It's time for the tablet for the really sick and send them to there happy place, plenty of old and sick people living in pain I remember my father a stroke victim ant the last few days was brutal and he said him self this must be hell I am inonly waiting for there big day.

Fann Linn · 12-03-2020 10:37am

kerryjack wrote: »

It's time for the tablet for the really sick and send them to there happy place, plenty of old and sick people living in pain I remember my father a stroke victim ant the last few days was brutal and he said him self this must be hell I am inonly waiting for there big day.

The Final Solution.
Nice.

byhookorbycrook · 12-03-2020 12:22pm

Announcement re schools in the next hour .

AulWan · 12-03-2020 12:32pm

All schools, colleges and creche facilities to close from 6PM today.

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0312/1121820-coronavirus/

SweetCaliber · 12-03-2020 1:09pm

Will be interesting how businesses facilitate parents now that they will have to take leave to look after their children. Public sector is closed but retail, shops, smaller businesses will stay open.

Pity businesses couldn't start restricting opening hours, that way less staff would be needed and people could still pop in and grab essentials.

salmocab · 12-03-2020 1:17pm

SweetCaliber wrote: »

Will be interesting how businesses facilitate parents now that they will have to take leave to look after their children. Public sector is closed but retail, shops, smaller businesses will stay open.

Pity businesses couldn't start restricting opening hours, that way less staff would be needed and people could still pop in and grab essentials.

Businesses can and likely will

Antares35 · 12-03-2020 1:22pm

No word from our college yet about closure. Unbelievable

eviltwin · 12-03-2020 1:23pm

I work in social care so no option to close or cutback on hours, it continues to be a 24/7 service. I have no idea how this is going to affect us now, I have a schoolchild and both myself and my husband work. Still, this is the best way forward to help save lives so while its a worry its the right thing to do.

martingriff · 12-03-2020 1:26pm

SweetCaliber wrote: »

Will be interesting how businesses facilitate parents now that they will have to take leave to look after their children. Public sector is closed but retail, shops, smaller businesses will stay open.

Pity businesses couldn't start restricting opening hours, that way less staff would be needed and people could still pop in and grab essentials.

Public sector is closed better go and tell my manager here in the Revenue

CPTM · 12-03-2020 1:27pm

Antares35 wrote: »

No word from our college yet about closure. Unbelievable

Unbelievable? Was the announcement not made by the Taoiseach like an hour ago?!

AulWan · 12-03-2020 1:27pm

martingriff wrote: »

Public sector is closed better go and tell my manager here in the Revenue

Who said the public sector is closed?

Schools and colleges are only one part of the public sector. No instruction for Gov Departments to close?

Antares35 · 12-03-2020 1:28pm

CPTM wrote: »

Unbelievable? Was the announcement not made by the Taoiseach like an hour ago?!

Yes?

Treppen · 12-03-2020 1:30pm

Dunno why people are saying teachers are off.

For us to be paid we have to be online and follow the timetable and engage with the students (even with my own kids running around).

I'm not saying 'boo-hoo' poor-me I'm just saying to those teacher bashers that work still continues.

Sorry for not being your babysitter at this time.

LennieB · 12-03-2020 1:32pm

School closures will have a big impact for those working in healthcare with school going kids, when the hospitals etc need all the staff available now. Parents that can be at home will need to rally around and help each other out with childcare.

SweetCaliber · 12-03-2020 1:33pm

AulWan wrote: »

Who said the public sector is closed?

Schools and colleges are only one part of the public sector. No instruction for Gov Departments to close?

Apologies misread the journal article.

LennieB · 12-03-2020 1:35pm

Treppen wrote: »

Dunno why people are saying teachers are off.

For us to be paid we have to be online and follow the timetable and engage with the students (even with my own kids running around).

I'm not saying 'boo-hoo' poor-me I'm just saying to those teacher bashers that work still continues.

Sorry for not being your babysitter at this time.

I've one child in secondary and teachers have being preparing them all week for the possibility of doing their work from home, primary school childs teacher going to put work on-line every day.

martingriff · 12-03-2020 1:43pm

AulWan wrote: »

Who said the public sector is closed?

Schools and colleges are only one part of the public sector. No instruction for Gov Departments to close?

Was replying to message who said it. Never said I was

iamwhoiam · 12-03-2020 2:09pm

Treppen wrote: »

Dunno why people are saying teachers are off.

For us to be paid we have to be online and follow the timetable and engage with the students (even with my own kids running around).

I'm not saying 'boo-hoo' poor-me I'm just saying to those teacher bashers that work still continues.

Sorry for not being your babysitter at this time.

Many many people work around the school timetable . It was always so and it’s a very logical thing to do . Its how the economy works

Scammell · 12-03-2020 2:38pm

ThewhiteJesus wrote: »

this is an absolute myth that people somehow still believe

Teachers WILL still be paid

https://www.into.ie/app/uploads/2020/03/cl0020_2020.pdf

birdwatcher · 12-03-2020 3:04pm

quick question - looking for opinions.

We have a child in afterschool care in our local creche.
We pay in advance at the start of the month.

With the place closing-up tonight at 6pm...should we be entitled to a refund for the balance of the month - until they reopen (hopefully) on 30th?

khaldrogo · 12-03-2020 3:07pm

birdwatcher wrote: »

quick question - looking for opinions.

We have a child in afterschool care in our local creche.
We pay in advance at the start of the month.

With the place closing-up tonight at 6pm...should we be entitled to a refund for the balance of the month - until they reopen (hopefully) on 30th?

they have you/me over a barrel with this......if you with hold payment they will probably refuse you your childs place when they reopen.

Weffer · 12-03-2020 3:24pm

It's time to get all the family help you can. I'm an aunty and was regularly used as a babysitter for my baby nephew when I was at college. Like that, if a baby is sick and is not allowed in to creche, with both parents working, you have to pull on family, friends , kind neighbours etc. Is there a possibility for one to work a night shift? My hubby's parents did this, wife worked night shift and the husband in the day so there was always someone there for him. Wishing you well and hope you can get as much help as needed !

Iscreamkone · 12-03-2020 3:29pm

Treppen wrote: »

Dunno why people are saying teachers are off.

For us to be paid we have to be online and follow the timetable and engage with the students (even with my own kids running around).

I'm not saying 'boo-hoo' poor-me I'm just saying to those teacher bashers that work still continues.

Sorry for not being your babysitter at this time.

My children in junior and senior infants are not very tech savvy.
How will their teachers follow the timetable and engage with students of this age?

spurious · 12-03-2020 3:31pm

Scammell wrote: »

Teachers WILL still be paid

https://www.into.ie/app/uploads/2020/03/cl0020_2020.pdf

The 'myth' being referred to was not whether teachers would still be paid (and why shouldn't they since they will be working?), but whether or not teachers can be sacked. There is a large number of people out there think teachers can't be sacked. They are wrong.

Please people, read the posts you are replying to.

Iscreamkone · 12-03-2020 3:32pm

Weffer wrote: »

It's time to get all the family help you can. I'm an aunty and was regularly used as a babysitter for my baby nephew when I was at college. Like that, if a baby is sick and is not allowed in to creche, with both parents working, you have to pull on family, friends , kind neighbours etc. Is there a possibility for one to work a night shift? My hubby's parents did this, wife worked night shift and the husband in the day so there was always someone there for him. Wishing you well and hope you can get as much help as needed !

It might not be a good idea to use grandparents in my opinion.

Tordelback · 12-03-2020 3:48pm

Iscreamkone wrote: »

It might not be a good idea to use grandparents in my opinion.

FFS yes, I can't believe anyone actually wrote that down! Our kids should be nowhere near their grandparents for the forseeable future, and TBH we should be keeping our parents at arms length ourselves: if at all possible they should become social shut-ins (they can still get out for drives/walks, but no contact, no cafes or garages) starting right now, thiose of us who are young and healthy should handle shopping deliveries etc., but not come into the house. Roll out the Skype and WhatsApp to maintain relationships, then hopefully you'll still have them to hug when this is all over.

And if we can, extend that to our elderly neighbours too. Tighten your belts further, if you can't make a payment tell your landlord or mortgage bank to piss right off, you can argue the toss in court down the line, you won't be alone. We win or lose this thing, and our sick and elderly, in the next few weeks.

neris · 12-03-2020 3:56pm

birdwatcher wrote: »

quick question - looking for opinions.

We have a child in afterschool care in our local creche.
We pay in advance at the start of the month.

With the place closing-up tonight at 6pm...should we be entitled to a refund for the balance of the month - until they reopen (hopefully) on 30th?

they probably have it in their policies that they can charge for situations such as this and they are probably still paying staff, rent, rates, water and other monthly bills

salmocab · 12-03-2020 4:10pm

birdwatcher wrote: »

quick question - looking for opinions.

We have a child in afterschool care in our local creche.
We pay in advance at the start of the month.

With the place closing-up tonight at 6pm...should we be entitled to a refund for the balance of the month - until they reopen (hopefully) on 30th?

They will have in their t&c’s that you still pay for closures, give them a bit of time to sort out what’s happening as this was dropped on their laps today and they need to sort out what they are doing and how.

tart29016 · 12-03-2020 4:27pm

salmocab wrote: »

They will have in their t&c’s that you still pay for closures, give them a bit of time to sort out what’s happening as this was dropped on their laps today and they need to sort out what they are doing and how.

Just received a text from the Creche (by the way we have 2 kids in there). Full fees for March are still applicable due to staff and business costs.

That's nearly 2K and we need to find alternative arrangement to look after`the kids as not everyone has the ability to work from home.

Jim Root · 12-03-2020 4:53pm

creches can't survive on air alone, it's not their fault they have to close, staff still need to be paid. there might not be a creche left by April if they don't get their fees.

salmocab · 12-03-2020 4:58pm

Jim Root wrote: »

creches can't survive on air alone, it's not their fault they have to close, staff still need to be paid. there might not be a creche left by April if they don't get their fees.

The real problem would be in two weeks time if it’s extended, people will likely not pay for next month and staff will have to be let go, when they try to reopen staffing might be a big issue. It’s a disaster for parents and service providers.

khaldrogo · 12-03-2020 5:14pm

Jim Root wrote: »

creches can't survive on air alone, it's not their fault they have to close, staff still need to be paid. there might not be a creche left by April if they don't get their fees.

I understand that but at the same time, if i'm not being paid if my job shuts down over this how can I afford to pay them???

I already pay them when they close at xmas etc......paying them for nothing is starting to grate on me.

I don't care what anyone says, the creches are rolling in it. They need to be made to cover their own costs when they are closed by choice around xmas etc.

05eaftqbrs9jlh · 12-03-2020 5:15pm

Scammell wrote: »

Teachers WILL still be paid

https://www.into.ie/app/uploads/2020/03/cl0020_2020.pdf

Teachers have implemented online courses and will continue to teach students remotely.

khaldrogo · 12-03-2020 5:22pm

Maverick Silly Billiards wrote: »

Teachers have implemented online courses and will continue to teach students remotely.

While getting paid and while looking after their own kids in their own house and not having to scramble to find alternate child care like the rest of us. My heart bleeds for them...

Treppen · 12-03-2020 5:34pm

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Many many people work around the school timetable . It was always so and it’s a very logical thing to do . Its how the economy works

What's your point, I don't follow?

Treppen · 12-03-2020 5:36pm

khaldrogo wrote: »

While getting paid and while looking after their own kids in their own house and not having to scramble to find alternate child care like the rest of us. My heart bleeds for them...

Your missing his point. He was saying that teachers are working while schools are closed. Particularly to the 'whataboutme' brigade who begrudge teachers their pay.

P2C · 12-03-2020 5:37pm

You are not a charity. Just do not pay. How do you intend to pay for your essentials if you are not paid. They are a business and some are quite manipulative in trying to force parents hands. There is no chance schools will be back before the 29th of March. Maybe after Easter. The government will have to bail out business and not the individuals

khaldrogo wrote: »

I understand that but at the same time, if i'm not being paid if my job shuts down over this how can I afford to pay them???

I already pay them when they close at xmas etc......paying them for nothing is starting to grate on me.

I don't care what anyone says, the creches are rolling in it. They need to be made to cover their own costs when they are closed by choice around xmas etc.

Closing Schools - What about working parents !!!

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