Underpaid jobs

Sosurface · 09-05-2017 8:26am #1

The other side of the coin. Who doesnt get enough dollar? I'll start the ball rolling with my own profession: Engineering. World literally cannot function without us. Relatively well compensated in some places. Just thrown on the pile of middle income mediocracy in the Irish idiocracy.

Tell me how · 09-05-2017 8:28am

Nurses. Full stop.
It's incredible the difference they make to a person's life and the responsibility they have in critical situations.

elefant · 09-05-2017 8:30am

I was going to jokingly say 'mine' before I read the OP properly.

You've really started a thread about how you yourself don't get paid enough? :pac:

Samaris · 09-05-2017 8:31am

Analytical chemistry doesn't exactly pay top dollar (euro?) either.

Nabber · 09-05-2017 8:31am

My job

Seth Brundle · 09-05-2017 8:33am

Public interfacing public servants e.g. gardai nurses and teachers.

I'm in IT so obviously the IT sector should pay waaay more.

VinLieger · 09-05-2017 8:36am

Teachers and nurses

myshirt · 09-05-2017 8:40am

VinLieger wrote: »

Teachers and nurses

Yes and no.

Yes the younger are underpaid, and no the older are not. You got shafted. Bigtime. Talk to your unions and your colleagues.

the_pen_turner · 09-05-2017 8:46am

Self employed. Work 80hours a week for 40 hours pay. It looks good from the outside but when you take off all the overheads and investing in tools etc you end up with very litle

09-05-2017 8:46am

Sosurface wrote: »

The other side of the coin. Who doesnt get enough dollar? I'll start the ball rolling with my own profession: Engineering. World literally cannot function without us. Relatively well compensated in some places. Just thrown on the pile of middle income mediocracy in the Irish idiocracy.

Some disciplines can earn €600/day + on contract.

Permabear · 09-05-2017 8:48am

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VinLieger · 09-05-2017 8:48am

myshirt wrote: »

Yes and no.

Yes the younger are underpaid, and no the older are not. You got shafted. Bigtime. Talk to your unions and your colleagues.

Im not either, but thanks for making a bizarre assumption

Seth Brundle · 09-05-2017 8:50am

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I don't know. What do they pay in rent, etc. in those places too?

Padraig Mor · 09-05-2017 8:56am

Tell me how wrote: »

Nurses. Full stop.
It's incredible the difference they make to a person's life and the responsibility they have in critical situations.

Average pay for HSE nurses is about €55k - €60k. How much more do you think they should be paid?

qo2cj1dsne8y4k · 09-05-2017 9:01am

Gardai and nurses. Friend of mine is a SHO in a regional hospital and I was shocked at how little he told me he's paid considering the crazy hours he's expected to work

Permabear · 09-05-2017 9:03am

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carzony · 09-05-2017 9:22am

Security jobs like bouncers ect.. very dangerous jobs, little backup, no weapons, not great pay, no training and usually security companies provide very little sympathy for employees.

Sosurface · 09-05-2017 9:27am

Augeo wrote: »

Some disciplines can earn €600/day + on contract.

And whats worse is they arent even engineers...lol

Gone Drinking · 09-05-2017 9:32am

Hospitality staff (hotel workers, restaurants etc). A lot of places pay these people minimum wage or close to it. They work unsociable days/hours and get no compensation for it.

And to top it all off, you have members of the public giving them abuse half the time for things out of their control.

tomwaterford · 09-05-2017 9:34am

Mechanics

And hairdressers.....some of them,that I know are on woeful money

davo2001 · 09-05-2017 9:35am

Gone Drinking wrote: »

Hospitality staff (hotel workers, restaurants etc). A lot of places pay these people minimum wage or close to it. They work unsociable days/hours and get no compensation for it.

And to top it all off, you have members of the public giving them abuse half the time for things out of their control.

Unskilled work (which this is) is always going to be in and around minimum wage. Sorry, that's the truth.

Parchment · 09-05-2017 9:36am

Tell me how wrote: »

Nurses. Full stop.
It's incredible the difference they make to a person's life and the responsibility they have in critical situations.

Nurses pay is pretty decent. I work with many and none are underpaid imo.

Del2005 · 09-05-2017 9:37am

HGV and bus drivers. Outside the semi states the wages for buses are barely above minimum and HGV driving doesn't even reach minimum wage.

Being responsible for 55 people or literally keeping the country running should pay more. Before even starting on how other road users treat large vehicles!

09-05-2017 9:38am

Sosurface wrote: »

And whats worse is they arent even engineers...lol

I'm including commissioning folk, to be fair that's old fashioned engineering.

spurious · 09-05-2017 9:38am

Padraig Mor wrote: »

Average pay for HSE nurses is about €55k - €60k. How much more do you think they should be paid?

Ah, averages...

I think a fully trained nurse should start off on more than the cleaners and healthcare assistants on his/her ward.

09-05-2017 9:38am

Del2005 wrote: »

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Being responsible for 55 people or literally keeping the country running should pay more. Before even starting on how other road users treat large vehicles!

Low skilled job, market sets the rate.

FTA69 · 09-05-2017 9:39am

carzony wrote: »

Security jobs like bouncers ect.. very dangerous jobs, little backup, no weapons, not great pay, no training and usually security companies provide very little sympathy for employees.

Dunno about that, I was on €17 an hour when I was doing doorwork in college which beat the b*llocks off minimum wage in some coffee shop or whatever.

Ciaran_B · 09-05-2017 9:44am

Anyone working behind a counter - shops, cafes, delis and that. Or who deal with people on a shop floor. Whatever they're being paid for dealing with people 8 hours a day is not enough.

carzony · 09-05-2017 9:44am

FTA69 wrote: »

Dunno about that, I was on €17 an hour when I was doing doorwork in college which beat the b*llocks off minimum wage in some coffee shop or whatever.

Most of it is just above minimum wage now though. Very hard job depending on the area your placed.

Also, that security license is a massive scam and provides no real help or support for the personnel.

Your Face · 09-05-2017 9:47am

Nurses would be the obvious one for me.

Also unskilled manual labour jobs.
I've done my fairshare of those type of jobs.
Definitely underpaid when compared to the amount of physical activity involved.
Not to mention the overall treatment.

cruizer101 · 09-05-2017 9:50am

Padraig Mor wrote: »

Average pay for HSE nurses is about ?55k - ?60k. How much more do you think they should be paid?

https://www.inmo.ie/tempDocs/20160223121049_Salary%20Scales%20at%20the%201st%20January%202016.pdf

Payscale for a staff goes from 27k to 44k, level one manager goes to 51k. level 2 manager of which there is not going to be that many goes to 55k so I don't know where you are getting an average of 55k from, by all means correct me if you have sources.

My girlfriend who is a midwife got **** on by a smelly junkie the other day whilst delivering a baby. Now she loves her job as a midwife and yes knew what she was signing up to, (well a certain extent not to the level of being literally **** on) but that should not be used as an excuse to not pay a good salary to someone who is working a very hard professional job.

Teachers payscale is 28k to 60k, its not that bad considering they do get a lot of holidays, what the big issue there is people not getting full contracts.

riffmongous · 09-05-2017 9:51am

I think the problem with Gardai being underpaid is just so many people still apply for the job, and they definitely have problems but they are not corrupt to the point they need to be paid more

topcatcbr · 09-05-2017 9:53am

I hate the way we put each other down. There is always those who think everyone else is paid too much.

The truth is that the difference in pay between management and staff in all sectors of society does not reflect the difference in work levels or responsibility. Especially when it comes to senior management.

The public sector is prime example. With all the cuts imposed on the frontline staff pay the management got proportionally less cuts. But when there is increases given eg benchmarking they got much higher increases.

The trend being that the gap between the rich and poor getting higher all the time.

So in my opinion this needs to be adjusted everywhere. All lower paid jobes should be brought up to a point that in all organisations the highest paid should get the same increase as the lowest paid. This system of management getting pay increase through efficiency by cutting the lower paid who actually do the work is unjust.

So stop belittling each other.

j8wk2feszrnpao · 09-05-2017 9:54am

If someone wants to complain about their pay, then post what they are paid along with job security and what their pension is going to be and retirement age. These are also factors which should be considered.

I've worked in a number of different areas and the wages that came with them. When I was younger I did a lot of low skill/low wage jobs; had little expenditure so it was fine. Skilled up and got more pay, which allowed me to travel and see some of the World. Spent time and money getting a qualification and the rewards that came with it; allowing me to get a house and afford a good living for my family.

If you feel someone is underpaid, then please also suggest how to pay them more. Increase VAT on items, have your own pay packet reduced by further tax, ...........
Easy to say pay someone more, but how do you finance it? And if you pay lower skilled people more money, then you'll have those above them wanting more; how do you pay for that? And there's index linked pay/pensions....etc...

carzony · 09-05-2017 9:59am

riffmongous wrote: »

I think the problem with Gardai being underpaid is just so many people still apply for the job, and they definitely have problems but they are not corrupt to the point they need to be paid more

A few years ago, when recruitment started up they received 25,000 applicants but that number has gotten a lot smaller since. I think the last drive had only 5000 apply but the competitions are usually over a few years now so applicants have a good chance.

keeponhurling · 09-05-2017 10:06am

Sosurface wrote: »

The other side of the coin. Who doesnt get enough dollar? I'll start the ball rolling with my own profession: Engineering. World literally cannot function without us. Relatively well compensated in some places. Just thrown on the pile of middle income mediocracy in the Irish idiocracy.

This is irrelevant.
The market sets the rate.
If pay is high and lots of people are applying, the rate will come down.
If pay is too low, nobody will apply so pay will need to be increased.
Engineering firms will pay engineers what is needed to get hire and retain them (and not more).

Pure tashte · 09-05-2017 10:08am

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Comparable countries as in other developed, western countries that have English as their first language? I can't really say for police and teachers, but in those "comparable" countries, nurses get paid considerably more.

Gone Drinking · 09-05-2017 10:13am

davo2001 wrote: »

Unskilled work (which this is) is always going to be in and around minimum wage. Sorry, that's the truth.

So a hotel receptionist who needs to understand and use booking software, respond to emails and general walk up queries, arrange event bookings and deal with third party booking sites is unskilled work?

topcatcbr · 09-05-2017 10:15am

I know with the Army now they need to fill 800 positions now with hundreds leaving every month. They are finding it difficult to get people to join.

For years people have said if its that bad why join. Now its a reality. People don't want the public sector jobs. When once it was a case of being able to attract the best people for the jobs with more than enough of the right people. Now its a case of take what you get and this will effect those services in the future.

TerrorFirmer · 09-05-2017 10:18am

Gone Drinking wrote: »

So a hotel receptionist who needs to understand and use booking software, respond to emails and general walk up queries, arrange event bookings and deal with third party booking sites is unskilled work?

Not sure how you can't see this but, yes, it is unskilled work. There are unskilled jobs that pay decently above minimum wage because companies value experience but it's still fundementally unskilled work.

If that qualified as skilled work anyone who's worked in virtually any job for a period of time and knows it inside out would be 'skilled'.

davo2001 · 09-05-2017 10:21am

Gone Drinking wrote: »

So a hotel receptionist who needs to understand and use booking software, respond to emails and general walk up queries, arrange event bookings and deal with third party booking sites is unskilled work?

Yes, a job that requires no qualifications and can be thought to just about anyone in a couple of weeks is unskilled.

topcatcbr · 09-05-2017 10:23am

Some people forget that they are privileged to get a higher level of education. While they are still a burden on their parents and on the state others are out in lower paid jobs paying tax so that those in third level can enjoy that privileg. Most people would love to have third level education but for all sorts of reasons it wasn't available to them.

I studied later in life and im ok. But i did start working without a third level education not because i couldn't get the grades but due to family circumstances. I know many others who are the same. But they didn't get the opportunity later on that i did.

So always be aware that your privileg is in some part due to those who went out and worked.

mcgiggles · 09-05-2017 10:24am

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Was chatting to a nurse in Canada when I lived there a few years ago, and she said there was no way of her ever coming home as she was earning 3 times as much over there than here! And rent wouldnt be 3 times what it is here..

ziggy · 09-05-2017 10:25am

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Parchment · 09-05-2017 10:29am

topcatcbr wrote: »

Some people forget that they are privileged to get a higher level of education. While they are still a burden on their parents and on the state others are out in lower paid jobs paying tax so that those in third level can enjoy that privileg. Most people would love to have third level education but for all sorts of reasons it wasn't available to them.

I studied later in life and im ok. But i did start working without a third level education not because i couldn't get the grades but due to family circumstances. I know many others who are the same. But they didn't get the opportunity later on that i did.

So always be aware that your privileg is in some part due to those who went out and worked.

Third level education is available to all in Ireland.

Permabear · 09-05-2017 10:30am

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draiochtanois · 09-05-2017 10:30am

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Your Face · 09-05-2017 10:31am

Parchment wrote: »

Third level education is available to all in Ireland.

Its available but not always feasible.

topcatcbr · 09-05-2017 10:31am

Parchment wrote: »

Third level education is available to all in Ireland.

Not true.

If you're parents are self employed you will not get any assistance. There are many other cases which may stop u being able to avail of third level education.

j8wk2feszrnpao · 09-05-2017 10:41am

ziggy wrote: »

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In the age of more people being on mobile devices than at a PC, and with autocorrect features they have, can we not go spelling nazi when it's just a single word or two?

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