Honda E

listermint · 10-09-2019 12:24pm #1

Pricing made available

The Honda E will cost £26,160 in the UK for the 134 horsepower version, rising to £28,660 for the more powerful model. (It'll also be available on finance starting from £299 per month.) That translates to a starting price of about $32,000, or $35,500 for the high-end model.

Honda E will be available in Europewith a 137-mile range, making it more of a city runabout than a highway cruiser. That's down to a smallish 35.5 kWh battery

electric motor delivers up to 152 horsepower and 232 foot-pounds of torque

https://www.engadget.com/2019/09/10/honda-e-electric-car-pricing/?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly90LmNvLzRvb3BmOGhIVlU_YW1wPTE&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAIZs8VruGnpLICWCC4Rfss9h6nB3ZXNeDuuwWrSfpGIcKfBQdMXHEnjV8zNHICsHNGXkHOCUN3DosJ4Z9F0UDPw_C8dySf0bLmdQNoQgX90lRE3wwBgPPd5YrR9L6mxAIZDjdUR0pauoqefUT_Iv9Rmk3VfdmNEh4f9IU8NdeIM_

phill106 · 10-09-2019 12:34pm

It looks like someone melted a vw lupo...

unkel · 10-09-2019 8:58pm

That's not as bad a price as some in the industry expected. But an awful big premium at the same time. Can't wait for a critical head to head review between the Honda and the MINI. These cars are cool and people will pay a premium for them.

embraer170 · 11-09-2019 5:58am

Ridiculous money.

Dont be at yourself · 11-09-2019 11:08am

If I didn't need to fit 3 kids, I'd be all over it.

pjdarcy · 11-09-2019 11:11am

The wood on the dashboard will seriously divide opinion

who_ru · 11-09-2019 1:02pm

listermint wrote: »

Pricing made available

The Honda E will cost £26,160 in the UK for the 134 horsepower version, rising to £28,660 for the more powerful model. (It'll also be available on finance starting from £299 per month.) That translates to a starting price of about $32,000, or $35,500 for the high-end model.

Honda E will be available in Europewith a 137-mile range, making it more of a city runabout than a highway cruiser. That's down to a smallish 35.5 kWh battery

electric motor delivers up to 152 horsepower and 232 foot-pounds of torque

https://www.engadget.com/2019/09/10/honda-e-electric-car-pricing/?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly90LmNvLzRvb3BmOGhIVlU_YW1wPTE&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAIZs8VruGnpLICWCC4Rfss9h6nB3ZXNeDuuwWrSfpGIcKfBQdMXHEnjV8zNHICsHNGXkHOCUN3DosJ4Z9F0UDPw_C8dySf0bLmdQNoQgX90lRE3wwBgPPd5YrR9L6mxAIZDjdUR0pauoqefUT_Iv9Rmk3VfdmNEh4f9IU8NdeIM_

for that money i'd just buy a small petrol engine car if it's for urban use only. you'll never make up the price difference on that honda comp[ared to a much cheaper 1.0 petrol engine. too much price gouging going on with EVs. i was going to make my next car an EV but i'll staying with petrol for the foreseeable future.

listermint · 11-09-2019 1:09pm

who_ru wrote: »

for that money i'd just buy a small petrol engine car if it's for urban use only. you'll never make up the price difference on that honda comp[ared to a much cheaper 1.0 petrol engine. too much price gouging going on with EVs. i was going to make my next car an EV but i'll staying with petrol for the foreseeable future.

Im sure you will..... :P

patmahe · 11-09-2019 1:13pm

The original concept photos were lovely but this looks very watered down. I don't see 26k of value in that car for me, electric is still not quite at the tipping point where I will change over, getting closer though.

Black_Knight · 11-09-2019 9:19pm

I'll have my eye on these after a few years depreciation. Think it looks great, inside and out (perhaps the lime is a bit much though)! Power, range, and from fully charged's video on it, drive-ability it looks oodles of fun.

Patser · 12-09-2019 7:53am

patmahe wrote: »

The original concept photos were lovely but this looks very watered down. I don't see 26k of value in that car for me, electric is still not quite at the tipping point where I will change over, getting closer though.

This.

Concept was lovely, and seemed to herald a hot hatch type e car.

Now we get a small range (by new standards) not that nippy, FIAT 500/old Micra bubbly, cutesy looking yoke with a high price tag. Although tbf lots of tech inside

Lumen · 29-01-2020 12:30pm

Want. In yellow.

Check out the turning circle at 10:00 ish!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6G-3_Aasao

Lumen · 29-01-2020 12:39pm

"On paper this car loses to everything"

unkel · 29-01-2020 4:23pm

Jonny posted a quick test drive showing that insane turning circle a good 6 months ago iirc, not sure why he is posting it again (didn't watch this new vid)

Looks like a brilliant wee car, but it is extremely expensive. I guess a direct competitor to the MINI EV, which seems much better value for money and also semi-premium quality, which the Honda is not

I want one too. If you pay for it

Lumen · 29-01-2020 4:29pm

unkel wrote: »

I guess a direct competitor to the MINI EV, which seems much better value for money and also semi-premium quality, which the Honda is not

Semi-premium?

My BMW Mini Cooper S gave me more problems in 1 year than my Honda has in 14.

Wouldn't touch BMWs with a barge pole. Japanese FTW!

(well, I need something reliable for when the Tesla is being periodically remanufactured)

Dont be at yourself · 29-01-2020 4:44pm

I bloody love this car. If not taking delivery of a Model 3 next week, I'd be all over it. 4 seats a tough sell to the boss, of course.

rx8 · 29-01-2020 6:57pm

Fell in love with this in Frankfurt. Looks and feels fantastic. The range would kill me though. As said above, as a second car in a couple of years for the Mrs. it would be perfect. As long as it's Yellow !!:D

liamog · 29-06-2020 11:51am

Bjorn has done a range test. 120km at 120km/h

JPA · 29-06-2020 11:55am

Such a cool little car, full of tech. As a pure city car, it would be great.

unkel · 29-06-2020 12:31pm

1500W AC in the cabin, that is simply superb! Must be the only EV in the world (in production) that has that.

Such a cool little car, pity it's just absurdly expensive...

ELM327 · 29-06-2020 12:33pm

unkel wrote: »

1500W AC in the cabin, that is simply superb! Must be the only EV in the world (in production) that has that.

Such a cool little car, pity it's just absurdly expensive...

1500w = 1.5kW
Your Tesla has >10kW AC system. Combining the in car and battery it's possible to draw 12kW peak.

eagerv · 29-06-2020 12:34pm

If you plugged it into itself would it be a self charging EV?:D

I'll get my coat...

unkel · 29-06-2020 12:44pm

ELM327 wrote: »

1500w = 1.5kW
Your Tesla has >10kW AC system. Combining the in car and battery it's possible to draw 12kW peak.

No, it doesn't work like that. The AC charger(s) - 23kW BTW - is not two way, just one way (in). The DC-DC converter (out) in a Model S is rated for 2.5kW, so that's the most you could possibly get out of the car (in theory) if you connect an inverter to the 12V battery. I have done just that, but my inverter maxes out at 600W continuous (there's a 50A fuse on the circuit anyway, so I shouldn't go over the 600W much or it will blow)

1.5kW is probably the max power of the DC-DC inverter in the Honda, which is not too shabby

My point was that the Honda is the only EV that has an AC outlet of substantial power in the car. Something that no other EV has afaik.

ELM327 · 29-06-2020 12:50pm

unkel wrote: »

No, it doesn't work like that. The AC charger(s) - 23kW BTW - is not two way, just one way (in). The DC-DC converter (out) in a Model S is rated for 2.5kW, so that's the most you could possibly get out of the car (in theory) if you connect an inverter to the 12V battery. I have done just that, but my inverter maxes out at 600W continuous (there's a 50A fuse on the circuit anyway, so I shouldn't go over the 600W much or it will blow)

1.5kW is probably the max power of the DC-DC inverter in the Honda, which is not too shabby

My point was that the Honda is the only EV that has an AC outlet of substantial power in the car. Something that no other EV has afaik.

Ah. You meant AC as Alternating Current as opposed to Air Conditioning?
Carry on..

unkel · 29-06-2020 1:01pm

ELM327 wrote: »

Ah. You meant AC as Alternating Current as opposed to Air Conditioning?
Carry on..

punisher5112 · 29-06-2020 1:01pm

From the side looks like a Citroen, I think it looks terrible.
Very expensive and range is rubbish.

punisher5112 · 29-06-2020 1:02pm

unkel wrote: »

So you could plug in an angle grinder and cut the thing up

liamog · 29-06-2020 1:14pm

punisher5112 wrote: »

So you could plug in an angle grinder and cut the thing up

Be careful you don't leave your window open when charging. Someone might plug in their granny charger for some "free" electrons.

elektrik · 30-06-2020 1:11pm

As a current Honda owner and a future Tesla model 3 owner I have to say this will most probably be the second car in our household.

Love my Civic 8, in 9 years never ever had any kind of a problem with it, but every design iteration after generation 8 was getting worse and worse, so far that the current civics, and type R especially, actually make me nauseous when I see them...

Hopefully this little e brings Honda back to some sensible styling, away from wannabe Nurburgring toddler design that it currently has...

elektrik · 30-06-2020 1:19pm

P.S.: I know that here in Ireland Honda Civics (and their owners) might carry a certain reputation, but where I come from (Croatia) almost no-one drives them (especially generation 8) as they are seen as either old-man's-car or slow-driver-car, and I would be the latter as I've never ever driven my 144hp civic over 150km/h and not once in 9 years even close to the red rpm's

liamog · 30-06-2020 1:23pm

I've always thought of Civics that way too, boy racers and old men, a very weird mix.

eagerv · 30-06-2020 1:45pm

liamog wrote: »

I've always thought of Civics that way too, boy racers and old men, a very weird mix.

I think Honda tried their best with the latest 2 marks to change that, but not sure if they succeeded!

I like to think of myself more of boy racer than old man, but perhaps I'm only codding myself.:D

elektrik · 30-06-2020 2:51pm

liamog wrote: »

I've always thought of Civics that way too, boy racers and old men, a very weird mix.

What I wanted to say is that in Croatia barely anyone thinks of them as a boy racer car. If it had that kind of reputation I probably wouldn't buy one

Also, Civics in Croatia are really cheap to insure as they are rarely involved in serious accidents. I guess only civilised people buy them?

It is called a Civic after all :P

For me, the best thing about the civic 8, other than reliability that you get with Honda, are the "magic seats" and the huge ass trunk that once, albeit with folded back seats, fit a whole washing machine (with packaging) and one other time a whole living room of furniture from IKEA

TLDR - I couldn't care less about its high rpm's, the only thing that's worn out in mine is the cruise control button on the steering wheel

eagerv · 30-06-2020 3:03pm

They are indestructible though..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyejT4VPzlE

elektrik · 30-06-2020 4:14pm

yup, mine 9 years in and never ever a single thing wrong with it

I have high hopes for the next car, tesla model 3, as after 9 years in a Honda the reliability expectation bar has been set pretty damn high! I am worried just a bit that the model 3 has more of a Alfa Romeo reputation quality wise, but hey, fingers crossed and software updates ftw

Lumen · 01-07-2020 12:44pm

liamog wrote: »

Be careful you don't leave your window open when charging. Someone might plug in their granny charger for some "free" electrons.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeDKGw87FvQ

ELM327 · 01-07-2020 12:46pm

That is hilarious.

Lumen · 01-07-2020 12:47pm

ELM327 wrote: »

That is hilarious.

It's like seeing an animal eating its young.

unkel · 01-07-2020 7:14pm

It's an excellent feature. You could easily run all the essentials in your house off that for several days should the grid go down, even with a tiny battery like in the Honda

Also great for camping, just connect full size microwave, travel kettle, hair dryer, air pump, etc.

The one I built into my car is only 600W though, not enough for anyone to steal my electrons to charge their EV with

liamog · 01-07-2020 7:31pm

unkel wrote: »

The one I built into my car is only 600W though, not enough for anyone to steal my electrons to charge their EV with

We'll just have to send the home built e-bikes your way!

unkel · 01-07-2020 8:08pm

You can all come and charge your eBikes for free in my gaff if you like

My own most powerful bike costs 3c to charge empty to full on the night rate. And charge during the day, even on a dull day and it will be completely free and powered from my solar PV.

But yeah, one of the main reasons behind installing the inverter in the car is to be able to charge up one battery pack while I'm out on the bike using my other battery pack.

Patser · 01-07-2020 8:41pm

Will it be a 3 pin in Ireland/Uk?

unkel · 01-07-2020 10:44pm

I was wondering that myself. But surely it would have to be to comply with the local standards, so yes a UK socket on these isles?

Now somebody will come on and say: just use an adapter. Which is fine, but not if you plan to draw 1.5kW through that socket for prolonged periods of time. That would be a bad idea.

graememk · 01-07-2020 10:58pm

unkel wrote: »

I was wondering that myself. But surely it would have to be to comply with the local standards, so yes a UK socket on these isles?

Now somebody will come on and say: just use an adapter. Which is fine, but not if you plan to draw 1.5kW through that socket for prolonged periods of time. That would be a bad idea.

Had a Schuko to a square 3 pin adapter beside me on the desk, its actually rated for 7.5 amps. which actually surprised me, also looks like it tries to pass the ground through too.

Id be surprised to see it in the UK irelnad spec, but if it does it would need to have the proper socket.

unkel · 06-07-2020 11:10pm

1000km takes 16 hours - the slowest of all EVs for sale today, even worse than a Nissan Leaf

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRnFq_LCOxo

I guess it's fair to say that most owners will rarely / never do anything like 1000km in this car though...

elektrik · 07-07-2020 10:53am

That was painful to watch, poor Bjorn.

So even if you plan to use it 99% in the city this still only makes sense as a second car.
I would feel sorry for anyone buying this as their only transport option. Hopefully second gen will do better

unkel · 07-07-2020 12:06pm

Yeah, my car slow charges on an AC charger at about the same speed as that Honda fast charges on a DC charger

At least Nyland makes good use of the 1500W AC outlet in the car, heating up all his food with the microwave he brought. I bought a microwave oven myself for my car, but haven't tried it yet

unkel · 07-07-2020 12:13pm

This sums the video up for those who don't want to watch it:

ei9go · 07-07-2020 12:29pm

No sane person is going to buy a 30 kWh car, unless s/h. That ship has sailed.

unkel · 07-07-2020 12:35pm

It's a city car, not suitable for long distance travelling. Which would be fine for most users. Great wee car for €20k, funky and super practical - see that turning circle? Not so much at the ridiculous expected price of about €30k after incentives...

slave1 · 07-07-2020 12:43pm

It's a snazzy option for someone with cash to spare on the looks/features.
If no cash to spare then a used 162/171 L30 much better value.

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